Choraha - 10th july 2010 - Sahibzada Fazal Kareem, Rana Sanaullah "Cold War b/w Deobandi & Brailvi"
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Kya cold war......Deobandi maslak mein bht sary log asay hain jo violence ko support karty hain...itni sari militant organisations Jihad k nam pe peda ki gyein aur ab wo Pakistan ki jarrein katny mein lagy hian.....peda ek neik kam k lye ki gyi thien...laken ab wo na-soor ban chuki hain...Khuda k lye Deobandi maslak ko ab en ko support nahi karna chahye.....ye ab sarr charh k aa gyein han hmary oper......we must create some patience level and enhance our tolerance level......dosre ko musalman hi koi nahi samjhta koi.....sab larr rahy hain......aur government lanat ha en pe....enka na koi mazhab ha aur na koi maslak...sirf hakoomat enka maslak ha....
Aijazahmed
Minister (2k+ posts)
No need to go anywhere to see "MURGHON KI (ya kuttoN ki rather) LARAI", Just gather these maulvis and enjoy.
shaheedchoudry
Minister (2k+ posts)
Rana Sanaullah explained himself very well. One thing Rana said that there are few people on both sides who don't condemn terrorism from the bottom of theri heart. I agree with him.
Deoubandi and Bralvies both belong to Fiqah Hanfi..................Imagine the attitude of these mullas with other fiqahs...........Imagine their attitude with non muslims.................These are danger for humanity. Sad part is they have a following. And their follower can eat me alive for saying this. So please pray for me.
Deoubandi and Bralvies both belong to Fiqah Hanfi..................Imagine the attitude of these mullas with other fiqahs...........Imagine their attitude with non muslims.................These are danger for humanity. Sad part is they have a following. And their follower can eat me alive for saying this. So please pray for me.
HiddenDesire
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Molviyun ka bas chalay to aik doosray ka khoon pee jayein, lol
Khair, on a serious note, this is true that almost all terrorists or banned organizations belong to Deobandi sect. Bralvis are moderate people. See Deopbandis still say that Mullah urf Ullu ka patha, (Mullah Umar) is Ameer ul Mominin. huh
Khair, on a serious note, this is true that almost all terrorists or banned organizations belong to Deobandi sect. Bralvis are moderate people. See Deopbandis still say that Mullah urf Ullu ka patha, (Mullah Umar) is Ameer ul Mominin. huh
HiddenDesire
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Ab Molvis aik doosray k pole khol rahay hain, lol
Baat niklay gi to phir door talak jaye gi.
Baat niklay gi to phir door talak jaye gi.
azrana
MPA (400+ posts)
Yeah Deo Bandi, konsa naya maktab e fikar dio band bana kar baith gaey hain, quran eik hey, kalma eik, hey,
i am an eay wittness of Dio bandi jalsa in small village of Gujranwala district, i have never seen so many ak47 in my life, more other,s as well, girls were with coverd burka,s and chanting
deo band ,gairat mand , deo band deo band, and police was lot there, so many of these deo bands, were with guns on the roofs of the villager,s
i am an eay wittness of Dio bandi jalsa in small village of Gujranwala district, i have never seen so many ak47 in my life, more other,s as well, girls were with coverd burka,s and chanting
deo band ,gairat mand , deo band deo band, and police was lot there, so many of these deo bands, were with guns on the roofs of the villager,s
i think if there are some people from deo band involved in terrorism and extremism ,which defenetly they are than the peaceful and sensible deo bands should separate themselves from these extremist deo bands which are bringing a bad name to their school of thought.
they should condemn them openly instead of presenting america america and america theory.bcs no suicide bomber or their master minds caught were americans.
If there are americans behind them then why these people are playing in america's hands why are they working for their interests.
famous deo band scholars have defended these talibans by pointing fingures at govt's relations with america ,If america's mission is to destabilize pakistan then its very clear that these taliban are responsible for that and they are the one who are real slaves of america.
There should be an end to this debate now and proper action should be taken against all terrorist irrespective of their sectarian attachments ,more responsibility is on the shoulders of deo band ulema they should separate these extremist elements from themselves who are destabilizing pakistan.
these so called Molvis who declare jihad if they get their share and are involved in brainwashing a large majority of youth ,should be brought to justice along with their supporters ,promoters and financers.
these extremist minded molvis are promoted on electronic media (who is behind them needs to taken careoff) they are promoted in print media and financially who is backing them.
where is the money coming from its a big game and big profits are going in pockets at the cost of lives of innocent and poor civilians of this country.
a country which is dominately pro sufism and have great regard for sufis how is it possible that the minority deo band and wahabis have more madrassas then majority barelvis.
definetly they are not getting funds from common people of pakistan in the name of religion.
there is an extremist element in our defence department who is promoting and helping such groups.Its a very powerful group even Musharraf was thrown out by this group bcs he was talking of madrassa reforms which was a clearcut fire on their roots(source of manpower and money)
We do not need any laskars or jaish etc.If we need them then send all they army to their homes.we are investing so much on our army being a poor country then we expect that our army can defend our country.whatever military expeditions we need to do should be done only by our army.creating such illegal groups which are indeciplined and sectarian oriented are only are trouble for us.
all people in our establishment who are in favour of these illegal sectarian millitant groups should be delt with in the first priority bcs they are the ones who provide the cover of the state police and other law inforcing agencies cannot put their hands on them.
second action should be against all those who are politically and financially supporting these illegal sectarian millitants.all such hate mongers and so called ulema whose mission is to create man power for these militant groups through their speaches ,should be dealt with.
If you get these two then third one which needs to be clearly identified and exposed are the financers ,we the people of pakistan should clearly know who our enemies and our friends are.
they should condemn them openly instead of presenting america america and america theory.bcs no suicide bomber or their master minds caught were americans.
If there are americans behind them then why these people are playing in america's hands why are they working for their interests.
famous deo band scholars have defended these talibans by pointing fingures at govt's relations with america ,If america's mission is to destabilize pakistan then its very clear that these taliban are responsible for that and they are the one who are real slaves of america.
There should be an end to this debate now and proper action should be taken against all terrorist irrespective of their sectarian attachments ,more responsibility is on the shoulders of deo band ulema they should separate these extremist elements from themselves who are destabilizing pakistan.
these so called Molvis who declare jihad if they get their share and are involved in brainwashing a large majority of youth ,should be brought to justice along with their supporters ,promoters and financers.
these extremist minded molvis are promoted on electronic media (who is behind them needs to taken careoff) they are promoted in print media and financially who is backing them.
where is the money coming from its a big game and big profits are going in pockets at the cost of lives of innocent and poor civilians of this country.
a country which is dominately pro sufism and have great regard for sufis how is it possible that the minority deo band and wahabis have more madrassas then majority barelvis.
definetly they are not getting funds from common people of pakistan in the name of religion.
there is an extremist element in our defence department who is promoting and helping such groups.Its a very powerful group even Musharraf was thrown out by this group bcs he was talking of madrassa reforms which was a clearcut fire on their roots(source of manpower and money)
We do not need any laskars or jaish etc.If we need them then send all they army to their homes.we are investing so much on our army being a poor country then we expect that our army can defend our country.whatever military expeditions we need to do should be done only by our army.creating such illegal groups which are indeciplined and sectarian oriented are only are trouble for us.
all people in our establishment who are in favour of these illegal sectarian millitant groups should be delt with in the first priority bcs they are the ones who provide the cover of the state police and other law inforcing agencies cannot put their hands on them.
second action should be against all those who are politically and financially supporting these illegal sectarian millitants.all such hate mongers and so called ulema whose mission is to create man power for these militant groups through their speaches ,should be dealt with.
If you get these two then third one which needs to be clearly identified and exposed are the financers ,we the people of pakistan should clearly know who our enemies and our friends are.
There is No religion firkas behind these bombings , its ideology ,
american ideology of divide & rule ,
Or taliban's ideology of fighting americans & their helpers,
it is the sufis & berailvis trying to malign the position cuz they don't have any ILAMi defence for their believes !
this is quite evident from your post and berialvi molvi in the program ,
Instead of giving some solid reason for your argument blaming would not make any sense.it only shows narrow minded approach.Its a shame that we can only blame without any solid reason.
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khan125
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I think its quite evident who is behing it and who is supporting it.
which was the firka of sufi mohammad ,mulla fazlullah ,bait ullah mehsood ,hakeem ullah mehsood ,mulla nazir,alam binori a TTP leader killed in swat was a former student of jamia banoria Qari hussain the suicide master trainer is a student of banoria town.
name a single terrorist and he will be of the same sect.
terey jesey begharat ore ghatia log hain jo hmaree safoon me reh kr dehshat gardo ki wakalat krtey hain.
tum logo ka kaam sirf nafrat phelana he.baat krtey ho ILM ki khud bakwaas hi krna atee he tumhain koi ilmi argument detey to sabit b hota he k baat asooli kr rahey ho lakin tum logo ko to sikhaya he nafrat ka agend jata he.
poorey mulk me tum logo ne fasaad paida kia hoa he.
america k pitho america k saath mil kr pakistan ko kamzore kr rahey ho.
pehley usee america k chamchey bun k usee k aslahey pr russia k khilaaf larey aaj usey k liaey pakistan ko kamzoor kr rahey ho.
jisterha us wakt vo yahood o nasara se tabdeel ho kr ahl e kitab bun gaey they aaj usee tarha pakistan k khilaaf fukr ka fatwa laga kr jang ho rahee he.
eeman baichna tum logo ki ghutti me para he.
amerca k phithoo munafiko ki nasal.
you just proved my point ,No counter argument just abuse,
Dollar lay ker islam ko de-value kernay walon say yahi expected hai,
Closing your eyes to zulam , and going Masaat , doing dance and kaber puja is not Islam
how many of them has been tried in court and how many madrasas has been closed as a result ?
bavakoof banna hai to banay raho,
azrana
MPA (400+ posts)
^@@@@@@@ ahmed107 and sect who thinks like him
agree with Khan,s Comment , almost all of terrorist are from this Sect, no doubt about it, and by the way, how it comes that we are thaikedaar of islam, , agar bewqoof ban kar massoom logon ki jaanain bachai jaa sakti hain to bhai, yeah faisla bura to naheen hey, aur kion Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) key laiey howay deen ko in logon ki wajaha sey aur aap jaisey aqalmand logon ki wajha sey aaj puri dunya bura keh rahi hey, out of 7 billion hummen you are might be few millions of deo band, why they hell you dont understand and killing the bewqoof people and there religion,,,,,,, aap logon ko aaj sey 110 saal pehley kabhi sunna ya dekha bhi naheen tha, aap logon ko creat karney ki kia zaroorat pari, bajaey aap philsopha islam key, aap apni marzi kion musalat kar rahey hain, kion aap chahtey hain keh sub log wahi sochain jo aap sochtey hain,
let me definate what does terrorist mean
think like me, do like i said, other wise you will be .........
is this islam said to you, and who gave you right to say we are bewqoof, aap chand ghandhey zahen ki paidawar out of billlions hummen hi aqal mand ho, kia sabit karna chahtey hoo aap log,shame shame,,,, aaj munh bahir nikaltey hain to naam hammara sub ko maloom hey, kia ??? trerrorist hahahaaa paki terorist, muslim ......
sorry admin i am not personal to any one, just the games of words and thought of a sect, kitni dhitai sey sub ko phir bewqoof keh gaya hey yeah, deo band ki satt,
agree with Khan,s Comment , almost all of terrorist are from this Sect, no doubt about it, and by the way, how it comes that we are thaikedaar of islam, , agar bewqoof ban kar massoom logon ki jaanain bachai jaa sakti hain to bhai, yeah faisla bura to naheen hey, aur kion Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) key laiey howay deen ko in logon ki wajaha sey aur aap jaisey aqalmand logon ki wajha sey aaj puri dunya bura keh rahi hey, out of 7 billion hummen you are might be few millions of deo band, why they hell you dont understand and killing the bewqoof people and there religion,,,,,,, aap logon ko aaj sey 110 saal pehley kabhi sunna ya dekha bhi naheen tha, aap logon ko creat karney ki kia zaroorat pari, bajaey aap philsopha islam key, aap apni marzi kion musalat kar rahey hain, kion aap chahtey hain keh sub log wahi sochain jo aap sochtey hain,
let me definate what does terrorist mean
think like me, do like i said, other wise you will be .........
is this islam said to you, and who gave you right to say we are bewqoof, aap chand ghandhey zahen ki paidawar out of billlions hummen hi aqal mand ho, kia sabit karna chahtey hoo aap log,shame shame,,,, aaj munh bahir nikaltey hain to naam hammara sub ko maloom hey, kia ??? trerrorist hahahaaa paki terorist, muslim ......
sorry admin i am not personal to any one, just the games of words and thought of a sect, kitni dhitai sey sub ko phir bewqoof keh gaya hey yeah, deo band ki satt,
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khan125
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Kis k paisey se chal rahey hain ye madaris jin se dehshat gardon k leader paida hotey hain???????????????no answer
kis ne Dollar liey they afghan jang me ?????????????no answer
Sarey dehsat gard Deo band madaris or wahabi kion hotey hain???????????no answer
america ka maqsad pakistan ko destabilize krna he to kon uski support kr raha he kon mulk me fasaad phela raha he kon khud kush hamley kr raha he????????????no answer
kis ne (maulana Hassan jan deobandi aalim , jisney taliban ko gher sharee ore gumrah kaha) shaheed kia ???????????????no answer
kis ne Milaad k jaloos pe firing kee???????????no answer
kon hain jo milaad manney valo ko bura bhla kehtey hain unkey khilaaf nafrat phelatey hain aslahey k zore pe?????????????no answer
kon hain to matam k jalooso me khudkush hamley krtey hain ???????????no answer
kon hain jo mazaro pe hamley krtey hain ????????????no answer
kon hain jo qabro se murdey nikal kr khambo se latkatey hain isliaey k vo sufi maslak ko follow krta he????????????no answer
ye kia maajra he k jo america murdabaad k narey lagata he hr wakt us pe to koee khud kush hamla nhi hota lakin jispe dolarro ka ilzaam he us pe khud kush hamla hota he?????????????no answer
agr america krva raha he to usey kia zroorat paree he apney hamdardo ko marney kee ??????????no answer
Kisi deo bandi madrassey pe khud kush hamla kion nhi krteyjo america k dushman kehtey hain apney aapko????????????no answer
majority sunnion ki ziada he wahabion ore deo band k madaris kion ziada ho gaiey????????????no answer
saree inteha pasad tanzeemain kis maslak se talluk rakhtee hain???????????no answer
fauj k hotey hoey in lashkaro ore jasho ki kia zroorat he kon inko fund krta he????????
no answer
baat zulm ki kartey ho beghart insaan to jo swat me logo k galey katey they vo zulm nhi tha jo rozana masoom log khudkush hamlon me martey hain vo zulm nhi???????
ye nazar nhi ata
America k ghulamo se ore expect b kia kia jaee tum logon ka jism hi dollaron pe pala hoa he tum kia haq ki baat kro gey.
dollaron ki poja krney valon k paas he kia kia sivaey jhootey ilzaam laganey k.
kharjion ki nishanion me aik baree nishani ye b he k vo quran ore ahadyt me jo batain kafiron ko mukhatib kr k kee gaee hain vo musalmano pe fit krtey hain.
jo tum ne sabit kr diya.
tum log sirf is mulk me fasaad chahtey ho nafrat or firka variat ka.
Quran is a complete system of living, which provide justice to the whole mankind. It eliminate greediness nature of mankind and develop the courage to sacrifice for others instead of demanding in order to get Allah's blessing.
Allah clarified in Quran the system of living based on the principals' which are totally negate the present day system of exploitation based on "INTEREST OR RIBA". It creates greediness in mankind and eliminate human values. Every one runs for the wealth and tendency to acquire more and more increases. This leads to develop tension, stress and un-satisfaction among the peoples. It encourage them to do everything to get personal gains, whatsoever effects on the others.
The ultimate result of this race is that the peoples distancing themselves from Allah and instead of getting peace and praying for Allah's blessing they divert all energy, time and resources to get more and more material things.
It is the way we are actually busy in fighting with Allah.
The survuval of the whole mankind is the implementation of Allah's orders given in Quran. we must ask Allah to forgiveness of our acts and guide us to follow the straight path. we must not confine to oursrlf to a city, provnce or country but Quran is for the Universe.
Each of use is required to evluate himself on the SELF ASSESSMENT SYSTEM secified by Allah in surey Al-Tauba, Ayat 24:
24. Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your
tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there
will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His
messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass.
Allah guideth not wrong doing folk.
Allah clarified in Quran the system of living based on the principals' which are totally negate the present day system of exploitation based on "INTEREST OR RIBA". It creates greediness in mankind and eliminate human values. Every one runs for the wealth and tendency to acquire more and more increases. This leads to develop tension, stress and un-satisfaction among the peoples. It encourage them to do everything to get personal gains, whatsoever effects on the others.
The ultimate result of this race is that the peoples distancing themselves from Allah and instead of getting peace and praying for Allah's blessing they divert all energy, time and resources to get more and more material things.
It is the way we are actually busy in fighting with Allah.
The survuval of the whole mankind is the implementation of Allah's orders given in Quran. we must ask Allah to forgiveness of our acts and guide us to follow the straight path. we must not confine to oursrlf to a city, provnce or country but Quran is for the Universe.
Each of use is required to evluate himself on the SELF ASSESSMENT SYSTEM secified by Allah in surey Al-Tauba, Ayat 24:
24. Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your
tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there
will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His
messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass.
Allah guideth not wrong doing folk.
this line has been draw by the Goras for the secularists , say no more !
either have a fika debate or law & order debate , don't mix them to create your own hair-brain theories,
when the terrorist attach check-posts , which fika are they killing ?
this post was a reply to khan125, did you see what he wrote ?
HiddenDesire
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Quran is a complete system of living, which provide justice to the whole mankind. It eliminate greediness nature of mankind and develop the courage to sacrifice for others instead of demanding in order to get Allah's blessing.
Allah clarified in Quran the system of living based on the principals' which are totally negate the present day system of exploitation based on "INTEREST OR RIBA". It creates greediness in mankind and eliminate human values. Every one runs for the wealth and tendency to acquire more and more increases. This leads to develop tension, stress and un-satisfaction among the peoples. It encourage them to do everything to get personal gains, whatsoever effects on the others.
The ultimate result of this race is that the peoples distancing themselves from Allah and instead of getting peace and praying for Allah's blessing they divert all energy, time and resources to get more and more material things.
It is the way we are actually busy in fighting with Allah.
The survuval of the whole mankind is the implementation of Allah's orders given in Quran. we must ask Allah to forgiveness of our acts and guide us to follow the straight path. we must not confine to oursrlf to a city, provnce or country but Quran is for the Universe.
Each of use is required to evluate himself on the SELF ASSESSMENT SYSTEM secified by Allah in surey Al-Tauba, Ayat 24:
24. Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your
tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there
will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His
messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass.
Allah guideth not wrong doing folk.
It is very unfortunate that we deal very carelessly with such sensitive issue of Jihad in Islam. Particularly Taliban and Deoband Jihad is very much against the Islamic rulings. Please read the Ahadees and Ayats below to understand the true perspective and conditions of Jihad.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 88, Number 206:
Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:
The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask
him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O
Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely)
worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will
there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be
any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not
pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be)
some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You
will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I
asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there
will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and
whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the
(Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?"
He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our
language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a state should
take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and
their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor
an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even
if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you
while you are in that state.
Surah 4, verse 75
"And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
so again condition is ill-treated and oppressed, not like Taliban n so called many many other groups who have very clear motives which show they are nt fighting for God cause before taliban came there in parts of pk, there was no suppression but ill treatement started wen those people came there and killed thousands of innocent muslims
And that is why Allah Taala do not give Taliban and Terrorists the victory which God had promised in Quran.
This Hadees needs special attention in case of Taliband and Deobands
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 3, Number 125:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man came to the Prophet and asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What kind
of fighting is in Allah's cause? (I ask this), for some of us fight because
of being enraged and angry and some for the sake of his pride and
haughtiness." The Prophet raised his head (as the questioner was
standing) and said, "He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should
be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause."
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 65:
Narrated Abu Musa:
"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty;
another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of
them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that
Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."
Talibans are fighting for Allahs, Word (Quran) or for their own glory and anger???
n who knws not that ppl in Afghanistan n border area of Pakistan, they r used to with fighting.
They hv a long history of fights even 200 years bck wen there ws almost no Muslim country in d world, these ppl used to fight. On one murder they used to fight till generations with each others. So now why there traditions are being called Jihad?
Now my last point regarding Taliban and Terrorist's fight against security forces and common people.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 49:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:
"The Prophet said, "Whoever killed a Mu'ahid (a person who is granted
the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance
of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty
years (of traveling)."
My muslim brothers dont just listen to these Molvies. Please read Quran, Bukhari and Muslim by yourself cause Deen-e-Islam Muslamaano pe utara giya hai Molvies pe nahi.
i don't know and you don't know ,
but what i do know is British govt gave 6 million to promote sufi sect in UK , and the their foreign office sending people from Uk with money to promote sufi-ism in pakistan ,
the dictator and every sect in the country benefited from this corruption,
yes the answer was posted but you have closed mind, here is again:
how many of them has been tried in court and how many madrasas has been closed as a result ?
zardari pakistan kay saat hai ya america kay saat ?
if america is enemy, than why is govt letting 500 lorries a day through pakistan for dollars ??
kon wahabyon ko kafer kehta hai ?
There is No religion firkas behind these bombings , its ideology ,
american ideology of divide & rule ,
Or taliban's ideology of fighting americans & their helpers,
this is Childish talk!
