Cash job while on welfare, is haram

Mumtaz

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I know quite a few Pakistanis who drive cab on Cash but also take welfare. Some of them have huge beards, pray five times a day and consider them Representatives of Islam :(.

Here is what Masjid Imam has to say about this.

masjid's imam in his Friday's speech said that its unfortunate that there are some muslims who are on welfare and they are also doing cash job. Cash job means they work and get paid by cash and the government dont know anything about it. He said its haram to do such a thing as you are cheating the government of Canada.

The Imam is spot on.

There are many people that run these sort of scams. Its unfortunate and a sad way to make money. There is one thing in committing the stupidity but then to go around at times showing it off is what really annoys me. They tend to have no remorse.
 

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
Why do we need imams to tell us this is haram? Most people know it's wrong anyway, do we really need a fatwa or religious announcement to confirm it?
 

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
Why limit it to those on welfare? If your just working on cash and not paying taxes on it, that's haram as well I would think.
 

sarmad

Senator (1k+ posts)
What about claiming unnecessary expenses on income tax return and saving on taxes? I believe this is haram as well. Here is an example.

A family moves from UAE. Husband continues to work in UAE, his wife and kids live in Canada. Kids are studying in school for free. They get medical, etc, all benefits. University going kids pay fees for residents which is less then 50% of what a forigen student will pay. Some kids are young so wife gets child benifit as well.

Legallay husband should show his income from UAE and pay tax on it, instead he shows that he is working part time in Tim Hortons getting 14 dollar per hour and is barely surviving. That huge home a lavish living style is due to saving they brought and spend here. Tim Hortons owner can show an extra employee and thus he saves on taxes as well.

I know at least one case where wife claims to be a single mother and thus gets double they child benifit.

Please elaborate...
 

anglopakiman

Voter (50+ posts)
when i lived in new york i visited a friend who lived in monroe, in the suburbs to the north of the city. He said there was an enitre colony of somwhere like 15,000 ultra orthodox jews there who all lived on welfare. all of them had 7-10 kids per family and would simply apply for welfare and none of them worked.
 

imemyself89

MPA (400+ posts)
when i lived in new york i visited a friend who lived in monroe, in the suburbs to the north of the city. He said there was an enitre colony of somwhere like 15,000 ultra orthodox jews there who all lived on welfare. all of them had 7-10 kids per family and would simply apply for welfare and none of them worked.

What does it have to do with jews?
So are you saying we should do the same because they are doing it?
 

takjhank

Councller (250+ posts)
In my point of view, this is najayez insteadof haram. And u guys should know 1st of all the difference between, illlegit/unjustified (na jayez) and haram. And then u should start argue on it. U know, there is a very small difference between najayez n haram. So, before starting fatwa, we should know every aspects of the topic. what do u think???
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
...and then these people have the audacity to criticize the same government whose 'mufti ke rotis' they enjoy!
 

anglopakiman

Voter (50+ posts)
they're also shitty to their non-jewish neighbours and they keep building these hideous apartment buildings to house their massive families and at the rate that their community is expanding, the whole suburb will soon be converted from a nice green suburban retreat into a gigantic eyesore.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well you shouldnt really need an 'Imam' to tell you that

i dont think you catch the point bro. Nobody would have asked the Imam for the ruling whether it is haram or halal.

the Imam just picked up a topic of his khutba from the society based on halaat-e-haazra. I bet he wasnt asked to do it
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I know quite a few Pakistanis who drive cab on Cash but also take welfare. Some of them have huge beards, pray five times a day and consider them Representatives of Islam :(.

Here is what Masjid Imam has to say about this.



The Imam is spot on.

There are many people that run these sort of scams. Its unfortunate and a sad way to make money. There is one thing in committing the stupidity but then to go around at times showing it off is what really annoys me. They tend to have no remorse.



Its NOT the fault of the people. its the fault of the hole in welfare system. As long as there is a hole, there will be opportunists, Muslims, Jews or otherwise.

Unlike Khilafah, the western welfare system has a major hole. I should say it because I have worked in Child Support System on their systems such child insurance, WIC (Women and Infant Care) and whole bunch of others. I have no times to write what I have learned.

Coming back to the thread subject, the major hole in western system of welfare is that they 'qualify' you for, say, $800 amount of money every month even tho a small family needs $1500/month to decently live on, just an assumption.

If parents or parent get another job to make the balance of $700 AND show the income in taxes, that income of $700 WILL BE DEDUCTED from the welfare payment. So why would the recipient work when reporting the additional income doesnt help them, but it helps the govt?

Thats the reason people legitimately opt for cash work because Welfare teaches them to cheat and comitt fraud. Thru the social services systems I have come to know of many single mom, as young as 16, that have gone out, hopped in sack, got pregnant, and collecting welfare, because 'she is single mom', 'she is raising a child', 'poor little thing' etc. She is all set for years because of one child, and if she repeats the hopsacking, the whole welfare things starts for the next child. Why would she work and pay the govt unless she gets a job in her own profession that carries salary way over the welfare payment.

So if Muslims collect welfare fraudulently, it is not their fault, it is the fault of the system that is designed to appease the masses so they do not revolt. These type of financial 'rewards' is what keeps this part of the earth peaceful because people have no reasons to revolt as long as their needs are met, thru welfare of thru jobs.

Do you remember what happened when early 70's when govt of Egypt raised the price of bread by 10 cents? Sadat govt almost fell. People took it out on street. In this country this revolt does not happen for two reasons: 1. media and the govt have conditioned the brains of the masses that no worries we will help you if the price goes up. 2. The govt and media always blame foreigners such as oil producing countries. Dont think for a moment people here do not know how to kill, how to agitate, how to revolt. They are just kept away from reality by paying money.......
 

itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Completely Agree with gazoo martin and i also hav alot of funny stories like that but no time to share at the moment.
 

sheazy50

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Salam To all Brothers and Sis
I just want to ask 1 simple question if a person is getting 1000 dollars social welfare monthly either because he is looking for job but cant get or if he is having illness and his personal expenses are much more higher than that i mean his family in pakistan sick mother father heart patient all his home expenses are 2000 dollars. So what he gona do for the rest of 1000 dollars should he do cash job to support his family or should he stop doing it and tell his mother and father sis and brother that i cant violate the law so you guys better get the hell out and let his family die.

And can somebody plz tell me that if IMAM is giving fatwas then can soebody ask Imam that who made the LAW of Social Welfare Did a muslim made it???
Was there a Limit on income earnings in the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH???
 

jalalamardan

Councller (250+ posts)
and when u ask them hows everything going ,they will answer"Allah ka karam hai"?i think this is not Allah ka karam that is satans karam.shame on them.
 
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