Can the destiny be changed by Dua?

[knowledge88]

 

[knowledge88]

I don’t understand the concept that destiny is already written by Allah, but written destiny can be altered by Dua. We must remember Allah knows the future. He knows what will happen tomorrow. Destiny is already written by Him. But let's suppose someone's going to die tomorrow. It is his destiny written by Allah, But that person makes Dua, and he lives tomorrow. It means his destiny has changed because of Dua. But Allah knows what will happen tomorrow because he has written our destiny; if it changes because of Dua, then Naoozbillah Allah is not aware of tomorrow because what was going to happen changed because of Dua. Or he changed it because of Dua.



Let's say Allah knew that that person would make a Dua and was going to live because of Dua, he was never going to die, and a Dua was going to save him, then it was his destiny to live by Dua (Allah already knew he would make a prayer and would not die). Then No Destiny was changed by Dua; he was meant to make a Dua. Making Dua to live was his destiny (which was already written).

I repeat, my point is, No destiny was changed as the person who lived meant to live by Dua; Allah had already written that the person would make a Dua and live.

Could anyone explain what the above Hadees is or what Dr Zakir is trying to say?

 

[AbbuJee]

It is not that because destiny is written it is bound to happen, it is because of knowledge of Allah that he already knows what will happen is written there.

Simple example: This glass of water is yours (destined for you). Either you can come and pick it up ( your effort) or someone will give it to you ( Ghaibi Imdaad) but you still have to drink it.
but If you decide not to drink, than it is your own decision, it has nothing to do with destiny.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I don’t understand the concept that destiny is already written by Allah, but written destiny can be altered by Dua. We must remember Allah knows the future. He knows what will happen tomorrow. Destiny is already written by Him. But let's suppose someone's going to die tomorrow. It is his destiny written by Allah, But that person makes Dua, and he lives tomorrow. It means his destiny has changed because of Dua. But Allah knows what will happen tomorrow because he has written our destiny; if it changes because of Dua, then Naoozbillah Allah is not aware of tomorrow because what was going to happen changed because of Dua. Or he changed it because of Dua.



Let's say Allah knew that that person would make a Dua and was going to live because of Dua, he was never going to die, and a Dua was going to save him, then it was his destiny to live by Dua (Allah already knew he would make a prayer and would not die). Then No Destiny was changed by Dua; he was meant to make a Dua. Making Dua to live was his destiny (which was already written).

I repeat, my point is, No destiny was changed as the person who lived meant to live by Dua; Allah had already written that the person would make a Dua and live.

Could anyone explain what the above Hadees is or what Dr Zakir is trying to say?

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Five Articles of Faith. But belief in Taqdeer = Predetermined destiny, has been interjected in the fabricated Ajami Ahadith as the sixth article of faith by 'Imams', making Muslims fatalistic in their thought and behavior. The Qur'an nowhere mentions Taqdeer or the predestined fates of individuals. Qadar or Taqdeer always denotes the laws, the due measure of all things appointed by God. And man determines his destiny by following or defying those laws

 

[Wake up Pak]

I don’t understand the concept that destiny is already written by Allah, but written destiny can be altered by Dua. We must remember Allah knows the future. He knows what will happen tomorrow. Destiny is already written by Him. But let's suppose someone's going to die tomorrow. It is his destiny written by Allah, But that person makes Dua, and he lives tomorrow. It means his destiny has changed because of Dua. But Allah knows what will happen tomorrow because he has written our destiny; if it changes because of Dua, then Naoozbillah Allah is not aware of tomorrow because what was going to happen changed because of Dua. Or he changed it because of Dua.



Let's say Allah knew that that person would make a Dua and was going to live because of Dua, he was never going to die, and a Dua was going to save him, then it was his destiny to live by Dua (Allah already knew he would make a prayer and would not die). Then No Destiny was changed by Dua; he was meant to make a Dua. Making Dua to live was his destiny (which was already written).

I repeat, my point is, No destiny was changed as the person who lived meant to live by Dua; Allah had already written that the person would make a Dua and live.

Could anyone explain what the above Hadees is or what Dr Zakir is trying to say?

copied
Five Articles of Faith. But belief in Taqdeer = Predetermined destiny, has been interjected in the fabricated Ajami Ahadith as the sixth article of faith by 'Imams', making Muslims fatalistic in their thought and behavior. The Qur'an nowhere mentions Taqdeer or the predestined fates of individuals. Qadar or Taqdeer always denotes the laws, the due measure of all things appointed by God. And man determines his destiny by following or defying those laws

 

[knowledge88]

It is not that because destiny is written it is bound to happen, it is because of knowledge of Allah that he already knows what will happen is written there.

Simple example: This glass of water is yours (destined for you). Either you can come and pick it up ( your effort) or someone will give it to you ( Ghaibi Imdaad) but you still have to drink it.
but If you decide not to drink, than it is your own decision, it has nothing to do with destiny.

A glass of water example has nothing to do to what I am trying to understand.

you have also written that

" it is because of knowledge of Allah that he already knows what will happen is written there." So he knows there will be a Dua for that person to live. It means to live by dua was his destiny. It was impossible for that man not to make a Dua because it was already written.

 

[Wake up Pak]

 

[knowledge88]

It is not that because destiny is written it is bound to happen, it is because of knowledge of Allah that he already knows what will happen is written there.

Simple example: This glass of water is yours (destined for you). Either you can come and pick it up ( your effort) or someone will give it to you ( Ghaibi Imdaad) but you still have to drink it.
but If you decide not to drink, than it is your own decision, it has nothing to do with destiny.

If there was a computer program, it would have been like this
If the person makes a Dua
He lives
Destiny changed
or Else he dies.
Destiny unchanged

Now there are two opposite scenarios.
The outcome is unknown until the person makes a decision.
But in the divine destiny case, Allah already knows the outcome; he is not dependent on the person's decision to make a dua. he already knows he will pray or he will not pray.
If Allah changes his destiny after the Dua, it means his knowledge of the future has been altered. (which is not right) Allah knows the future. If he knows the future then he knows there will be Dua, so it was the person's destiny to live after Dua.

 

[knowledge88]

The above video goes against the Hadees mentioned by Zakir Naik.
It also goes against the concept of Dua which can change destiny (According to many Muslims' beliefs) You don't believe on this concept ?

 

[knowledge88]

copied
Five Articles of Faith. But belief in Taqdeer = Predetermined destiny, has been interjected in the fabricated Ajami Ahadith as the sixth article of faith by 'Imams', making Muslims fatalistic in their thought and behavior. The Qur'an nowhere mentions Taqdeer or the predestined fates of individuals. Qadar or Taqdeer always denotes the laws, the due measure of all things appointed by God. And man determines his destiny by following or defying those laws

This is more practical for a person to believe than a predetermined destiny. Good to hear from you after a long time.

 

[knowledge88]

It is not that because destiny is written it is bound to happen, it is because of knowledge of Allah that he already knows what will happen is written there.

Simple example: This glass of water is yours (destined for you). Either you can come and pick it up ( your effort) or someone will give it to you ( Ghaibi Imdaad) but you still have to drink it.
but If you decide not to drink, than it is your own decision, it has nothing to do with destiny.

The glass example you have given is ideal when one says that we are not independent on our decisions. It is like saying Adam was not independent in his decision. God knew that he would eat an apple. Then you give that glass example saying that Allah knew but Allah did not force him to eat Apple. Allah knows the future it doesn't mean he is responsible for our bad deeds. We have a free will. Whatever we will do is our decision.
But
This is not the debate here.

The argument here is if Dua changes the written destiny. If it does, then how?

 

[Wake up Pak]

The above video goes against the Hadees mentioned by Zakir Naik.
It also goes against the concept of Dua which can change destiny (According to many Muslims' beliefs) You don't believe on this concept ?

The concept of DUA changing destiny is confusing and I don't believe it holds any truth. It's evident that millions of Muslims pray for the destruction of Israel during the Hajj pilgrimage every year, yet Israel continues to grow and holds influence over many countries.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Allah has given human beings free will to choose between right and wrong.
Allah does not interfere in human life.

 

[knowledge88]

The concept of DUA changing destiny is confusing and I don't believe it holds any truth. It's evident that millions of Muslims pray for the destruction of Israel during the Hajj pilgrimage every year, yet Israel continues to grow and holds influence over many countries.

Dua not coming true is a different topic. As they say " God's delays are not God's denials" Hazrat Yaqoob prayed for 40 years and cried and lost his sight before his prayer was answered and he met his son Hazrat Yusuf. Also Hazrat Ibrahim and His wife Hazrat Sara had to pray for 30 years before they had a son. But Dua changing destiny is contrary to the concept that destiny has already been written.

 

[knowledge88]

Allah has given human beings free will to choose between right and wrong.
Allah does not interfere in human life.

All Muslims believe on our free will. The video topic is different and questionable though

 

[Wake up Pak]

Dua not coming true is a different topic. As they say " God's delays are not God's denials" Hazrat Yaqoob prayed for 40 years and cried and lost his sight before his prayer was answered and he met his son Hazrat Yusuf. Also Hazrat Ibrahim and His wife Hazrat Sara had to pray for 30 years before they had a son. But Dua changing destiny is contrary to the concept that destiny has already been written.

Muslims must understand that prayer alone cannot complete tasks effectively. Despite praying for centuries, taking action is necessary for achieving success.

 

[knowledge88]

Muslims must understand that prayer alone cannot complete tasks effectively. Despite praying for centuries, taking action is necessary for achieving success.

Of course.
خدا نے آج تک اس قوم کی حالت نہیں بدلی
نہ ہو جس کو خیال آپ اپنی حالت کے بدلنے کا

 

[abdlsy]

I don’t understand the concept that destiny is already written by Allah, but written destiny can be altered by Dua. We must remember Allah knows the future. He knows what will happen tomorrow. Destiny is already written by Him. But let's suppose someone's going to die tomorrow. It is his destiny written by Allah, But that person makes Dua, and he lives tomorrow. It means his destiny has changed because of Dua. But Allah knows what will happen tomorrow because he has written our destiny; if it changes because of Dua, then Naoozbillah Allah is not aware of tomorrow because what was going to happen changed because of Dua. Or he changed it because of Dua.



Let's say Allah knew that that person would make a Dua and was going to live because of Dua, he was never going to die, and a Dua was going to save him, then it was his destiny to live by Dua (Allah already knew he would make a prayer and would not die). Then No Destiny was changed by Dua; he was meant to make a Dua. Making Dua to live was his destiny (which was already written).

I repeat, my point is, No destiny was changed as the person who lived meant to live by Dua; Allah had already written that the person would make a Dua and live.

Could anyone explain what the above Hadees is or what Dr Zakir is trying to say?

Regardless , i learnt that its possible its allahs will