Breaking News : Afghan Army terrorising in Pakistan

Qalumkar

Senator (1k+ posts)
Amazing, You say Pakistan is helping USA in occupying Afghanistan, USA says that Pakistan is providing assistance to Taliban in Afghanistan and not helping US. The fact is that Pakistan's own survival and existence is at stake today and its not in a position to facilitate or help others for their probs. You live in a fools paradise if u think that Pak is a front line ally of USA. Referring you to a recent survey in which more than 90% pakistanis voted out USA as a bigger threat than India.

90% Pakistanis could be against USA but State of Pakistan is hand in gloves with USA. Pakistan helped them by providing bases to attack Afghanistan, and still providing air space and ground route. Could you deny it?

TTP is at war with Pakistan and they are justified for their attacks. It was Pakistan who attacked first and killed thousands of people by 5500 record air strikes in Waziristan.
 

Sedqal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
90% Pakistanis could be against USA but State of Pakistan is hand in gloves with USA. Pakistan helped them by providing bases to attack Afghanistan, and still providing air space and ground route. Could you deny it?

TTP is at war with Pakistan and they are justified for their attacks. It was Pakistan who attacked first and killed thousands of people by 5500 record air strikes in Waziristan.

- Pakistan was the only country which helped Taliban, the only one. India, Iran, Russia even China supports Northern Alliane. Taliban should not expect that they will dictate the foreign policy terms to Pakistan and if this continues TTP will alienate Pakistani public from Afghan Taliban too. Many Afghans now ask how we like the taste of our own medicine (our support for Taliban in Afghanistan and TTP in pk). Public perception about TTP is changing rapidly and will have its effect on Pakistan policy post american withdrawal.

- How are they justified when there were non-Pakistani militants in that area? Were they attacking Nato/ USA with Pakistani permission? Does any other country allow its citizens to go against state policy and start attacking across the border? We now have clear evidence that al-Qaida wants to make the border area between Afghanistan and Pakistan as their HQ.

- You are also forgetting that TTP did not limit its attack to political leaders or Army they started a bombing campaign against unarmed Pakistani citizens. I am against the role of Army in this mess but its TTP which has killed 20 times more Pakistanis then drone strikes or Army operations.
 
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Qalumkar

Senator (1k+ posts)
- Pakistan was the only country which helped Taliban, the only one. India, Iran, Russia even China supports Northern Alliane. Taliban should not expect that they will dictate the foreign policy terms to Pakistan and if this continues TTP will alienate Pakistani public from Afghan Taliban too. Many Afghans now ask how we like the taste of our own medicine (our support for Taliban in Afghanistan and TTP in pk). Public perception about TTP is changing rapidly and will have its effect on Pakistan policy post american withdrawal.

- How are they justified when there were non-Pakistani militants in that area? Were they attacking Nato/ USA with Pakistani permission? Does any other country allow its citizens to go against state policy and start attacking across the border? We now have clear evidence that al-Qaida wants to make the border area between Afghanistan and Pakistan as their HQ.

- You are also forgetting that TTP did not limit its attack to political leaders or Army they started a bombing campaign against unarmed Pakistani citizens. I am against the role of Army in this mess but its TTP which has killed 20 times more Pakistanis then drone strikes or Army operations.
Pakistan helped Talibans....Yes It is past. Pakistan took U turn and helped USA against legitimate Taliban Government in Afghanistan...Yes it is present.

Non Pakistani militants were attacking against Soviets with the help of Pakistan in past and now same Non Pakistani militants are attacking against US/NATO forces without the help of Pakistan. In both cases they were helping their brothers to free their lands from foreign invaders. They are justified in helping their brothers in Afghanistan, since Pakistan took U turn and joined foreign invaders so they also attack on Pakistan.

It is simple math not algebra.
 

Sedqal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan helped Talibans....Yes It is past. Pakistan took U turn and helped USA against legitimate Taliban Government in Afghanistan...Yes it is present.

Non Pakistani militants were attacking against Soviets with the help of Pakistan in past and now same Non Pakistani militants are attacking against US/NATO forces without the help of Pakistan. In both cases they were helping their brothers to free their lands from foreign invaders. They are justified in helping their brothers in Afghanistan, since Pakistan took U turn and joined foreign invaders so they also attack on Pakistan.

It is simple math not algebra.

Its not simple math, USA is there with a UN mandate and NATO. Being citizens of Pakistan they have to follow the state policy else what is a state? Will we accept it from any other country if its citizens start attacking us across the border? We had support of the whole western world during soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Now you want Pakistan to start fighting the whole world? Which country will help us in this adventure? Or do you think that laws of nature don't apply to us?

Plus you are not looking at the bigger picture, TTP will create hatred between Pakistani public and Taliban in Afghanistan (which is the real end game). And please justify TTP attacks on common unarmed civilians? Did these civilians force Army to take U-turn? Or is TTP killing these unarmed civilians to create pressure on State? if later is the case then what is Islamic in it? they are actually terrorising the public. Who is a bigger criminal USA who killed some thousand in drones or TTP which killed tens of thousands of unarmed civilians?
 

Qalumkar

Senator (1k+ posts)
Its not simple math, USA is there with a UN mandate and NATO. Being citizens of Pakistan they have to follow the state policy else what is a state? Will we accept it from any other country if its citizens start attacking us across the border? We had support of the whole western world during soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Now you want Pakistan to start fighting the whole world? Which country will help us in this adventure? Or do you think that laws of nature don't apply to us?

Plus you are not looking at the bigger picture, TTP will create hatred between Pakistani public and Taliban in Afghanistan (which is the real end game). And please justify TTP attacks on common unarmed civilians? Did these civilians force Army to take U-turn? Or is TTP killing these unarmed civilians to create pressure on State? if later is the case then what is Islamic in it? they are actually terrorising the public. Who is a bigger criminal USA who killed some thousand in drones or TTP which killed tens of thousands of unarmed civilians?

I respect your point of view. Actually we have different point of views.

You are talking about state policy, UN mandate & NATO and I am talking about Allah's policy.
You are talking about citizens of a country and I am talking about Muslim brothers.

Being Muslims we will continue supporting Afghan Talibans till their freedom from foreign occupation.

I rest my case as we both have different point of view and hope that you respect my point of view too.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am afraid the original sin was committed by Pakistan by supporting American occupation in Afghanistan. Now things are getting out of control, Pak army may have to enter Afghanistan to take care of where the real rot is.

Do you mean Pak army have to invade Afghanistan, before or after NATO exit ?
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
افغان فوج اگر ایسا کر رہی ہے تو حیرانی کی کوئی بات نہیں ہونی چاہئے کیونکہ اس وقت افغان فوج پر سب سے زیادہ اثر و رسوخ شمالی اتحاد والوں کا ہے نہ صرف فوج پر بلکہ حکومت میں بھی حصّہ بمطابق جسّہ ان کا ہی ہے۔ آپ کو یاد ہوگا کہ جنگ کے ابتدائی دنوں میں جب شمالی اتحاد والے کابل کی طرف پیش قدمی کر رہے تو پاکستان نے امریکہ سے مطالبہ کیا تھا کہ ان کو کابل میں داخل ہونے سے روکا جائے کیونکہ یہ طالبان کے سخت دشمن تھے ،طالبان نے ان سے بزور طاقت علاقے چھینے تھے اور ڈر تھا کہ یہ پشتونوں کا قتلِ عام کریں گے جو کہ انہوں نے کیا بھی ۔ شہر کی سڑکوں پر جگہ جگہ لاشیں بکھری پڑی تھیں جن کو اٹھانے والا بھی کوئی نہیں تھا اور جو کئی دنوں تک کتوں کی خوراک بنتی رہیں۔
ویسے بھی روائتی طور پر بھی شمالی اتحاد والے بھارت نواز اور پاکستان مخالف رہے ہیں۔ اب تو ان کے پاس دفاعی امور کے اختیارات بھی ہیں تو یہ کوئی اچھنبے کی بات نہیں کہ وہ اینٹی پاکستان سرگرمیوں میں ملوث ہیں۔
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So, Afghan Taliban will not be able to capture Afghanistan even after the US leaves ?

Priority for Pakistan is stopping terrorism from Afghanistan. Naturally, we want a pro-Pakistan government in Kabul like the Afghan Taliban. As long as there is peace in FATA and KPK I don't care who governs the neighbour. Yes, Afghan Taliban can capture Afghanistan on their own like they did prior to the US invasion when they were ruling. Pakistan can get even with it's enemies in Afghanistan by supporting the Afghan Taliban before NATO leaves like we did against the old USSR.
 

awaiskhantanoli

MPA (400+ posts)
wow, Pakistan is on the top of the list in the world which is bearing the burden of largest numbers of immigrants, when nobody was ready to take afghanis Pakistan opened its doors for 4 million afghanis and always got back stabbed by these traitors.

Oo bhai paisa be to Afghan ke naam pe ham ne khaya ha..Afganistan me apni merzi ke groups ko sari umar ham ne he support kiya...kisi dosre mulk ke mamlaat me madakhalat nahe kerni chahiay thei..
 

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