Blast from past when PTI introduced bio metric after few months in GOVT
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imran_hosein_fan
Minister (2k+ posts)
this was just a science project :D
Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Price of one Machine as per Nadra = Rs 35,000
If Elections are conducted at Divisional Level the polling stations will be not be more than 10K. So for 10K polling stations can can have 21,000 machines (2 Machines per station + 1000 extra as backup). So the total cost of these machines will be = Rs 73.5 cror
Now if we add One printer per polling booth to print the vote after verification and cost of each printer is 35000 then we need another Rs35 Cror. So total one time investiment will be around Rs110 Cror. After this EC need only supplies and maintenance.
Electron counting machines can be installed at one location where an electronic result can be compiled. Once election process copleted reslt can be announced at once.
This way cost of conducting election will be way less than what we are spending right now and also can minimize the rigging issues.
BTW the one time total investment is way less than the one year PM travel expenses.
If Elections are conducted at Divisional Level the polling stations will be not be more than 10K. So for 10K polling stations can can have 21,000 machines (2 Machines per station + 1000 extra as backup). So the total cost of these machines will be = Rs 73.5 cror
Now if we add One printer per polling booth to print the vote after verification and cost of each printer is 35000 then we need another Rs35 Cror. So total one time investiment will be around Rs110 Cror. After this EC need only supplies and maintenance.
Electron counting machines can be installed at one location where an electronic result can be compiled. Once election process copleted reslt can be announced at once.
This way cost of conducting election will be way less than what we are spending right now and also can minimize the rigging issues.
BTW the one time total investment is way less than the one year PM travel expenses.
rtabasum2
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
After 12 days we still have no official results speaks volume of their efficiency. Khawaja rigger Rafiq even said we cannot do it caz most of the voters r uneducated
Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Its not issue of voter education but the politicians are not smart enough to break the digitial securities of these kind of machines and thus won't be able to rig election.
stranger
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
one machine is 35k..... however when purchases are in bulk then price can be much less.... secondly if a right company is selected, they can get support and maintenance for a longer period....
per in aqal ke andhon ko samjhay kon????
stranger
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
bhai voter ne sirf id card dena hai or angootha lagana hai machine per..... oosi tarah jis tarah NIC banwatay huay lagwatay hain wo.... inhon ne sirf aitraaz kerna hota hai.... kionke onhain pata hai keh oon ki asal oqaat kia hai....
Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
My suggestion is that PTI must propose this that if government not having money, we (Pakistanis Living Abroad) can donate money for the system.
stranger
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hahaha.... its then just a matter of a day..... 100 crore is nothing when collected for a real cause... sharat ye keh IK khud collect karay ye paisa :)
sensible
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اور روشن پاکستان میں سائنس کی کیا ضرورت ؟
اسے سائنس سے اندھیرا کرنے کی سازش نہ کی جائے؟
seeker012
Senator (1k+ posts)
pak ma ktne log cell use krte hain who r above 17,i think 90% do know how to operate a simple nokia set.there is no issue of people not able to use the machine...even a voice guidence can also be added to guide the people in local languages....it is the easiest system and very economical.
It is neither the matter of Money nor the understanding but of Neeyat.
I still remember in ECP meetings with political parties before elections, the so called Educated party , MQM, was opposing biometric and voting machines.
One should ask that are the people of India more educated and wiser than Pakistanis?
There shouldn't be any Printed Parchi. They can do stuffing in it as well.
The system should be a simple biometric machine rather than this Nadra's one which can recognise the person (that can be cheaper as well)and then the voter should allow to vote on a Voting machine with Biometric Fingure not just clicking the botton. Then the voting would be almost 100% fair. Otherwise one can done stuffing with Parchi because Parchi doesn't show who had polled it? During stuffing one can throw out opponents votes and add their own votes. So the results would be fake again.
I still remember in ECP meetings with political parties before elections, the so called Educated party , MQM, was opposing biometric and voting machines.
One should ask that are the people of India more educated and wiser than Pakistanis?
There shouldn't be any Printed Parchi. They can do stuffing in it as well.
The system should be a simple biometric machine rather than this Nadra's one which can recognise the person (that can be cheaper as well)and then the voter should allow to vote on a Voting machine with Biometric Fingure not just clicking the botton. Then the voting would be almost 100% fair. Otherwise one can done stuffing with Parchi because Parchi doesn't show who had polled it? During stuffing one can throw out opponents votes and add their own votes. So the results would be fake again.
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Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I agree on all but this this suggestion. When a vote will be printed locally with coded information that won't be able to reproduced. Also when counting via machines, these must be scanned and copied to encrypted database in case someone wanted to investigate vote legitimacy.
The main problem in voting booths, is people stamping there own finger prints, bringing and Taking out boxes of votes, counting wrongly. Most of These issues Will be eradicated with BIO metric system.
IK should push for this system in KPK and the money required PTI govt themselves can dish out. With this system in place, district level voting one at a time so that more police can control the thugs, with army involvement as well. Go for re elections in KPK for local bodies. If opposition parties want Khattak saab to step down he can do so until elections have taken place then come back.
Seriously PTI should offer this too ANP, JUI F and PPP including PML N.
IK should push for this system in KPK and the money required PTI govt themselves can dish out. With this system in place, district level voting one at a time so that more police can control the thugs, with army involvement as well. Go for re elections in KPK for local bodies. If opposition parties want Khattak saab to step down he can do so until elections have taken place then come back.
Seriously PTI should offer this too ANP, JUI F and PPP including PML N.
Sir even if coded paper is used and if rigging is done then the Parchi would go through the same tidous process of NADRA checking. In short I trust machines more than human being. When responsibilities are given to many humans, the chances of malpractice are increased as well.
If India had developed these machines, it would came through many steps before it and finally after many failures and drawbacks they might come with such machines.
Why inventing wheel again? The best thing would be that the machine should allow to cast votes only by fingure prints not by just touching the bottom which again can be done by everyone.
More consultation can be done on the safety of Data etc.
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This is just rubbish and subject to rigging again.
No man the opposition wants to topple all govt not only Khattak Sahib. I personally don't think that PTI people should become so Angels and straight that whatever opposition wants they should do?
Plus opposition doesn't want re elections. They just want to make chaos in the province because they can't bring any scame or drastic mismangement against the govt in the province that's why they are just plying this issue.
But I know they have no solid support on ground. The 10th June failed strike call had exposed their 'True Mandade' after that they became 'Chalay Huway Kartoos' because till 10th Jun media was also taking them bit serious but after this failure, all their Noise has vanished away. So no need to worry about these Jokers.
