Are Quranists Even Muslims? Or Just Ex-Muslims with a New Label?

[عؔلی خان]

Watch this: A revert sister, new to Islam, confidently shows how the Qur'an mentions "aqim as-salah" five times in the singular command form. She recognizes the numerical harmony and divine design of the Qur'an without rejecting a single pillar of Islam.

Now contrast this with the sad, angry noise of self-proclaimed "Quranists" like Citizen X, Wake Up Pak, and FORCE, etc. These individuals — who were born in Muslim families, raised among believers — now spend their lives mocking Salah, denying Hadith, scoffing at the Sunnah, and undermining the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

They hide behind memes and sarcasm, calling 1.6 billion Muslims a "cult," and yet they can’t answer 15 basic questions using the Qur'an alone — the very book they claim to champion.

Islam is a Deen. Not a DIY project. Not a Reddit opinion poll. Not a YouTube rebellion.

They call themselves "Quran-only" — but in reality, they are Munkar-e-Qur'an. Why? Because they reject how the Qur'an was understood, taught, lived, and preserved by the very man who received it: Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

They deny the pillars — Salah, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj — and reduce Islam to a vague philosophical blog with no prayer, no Ummah, no scholarship, and no transmission.

These aren't reformers. They're spiritual dropouts trying to rebrand themselves as enlightened thinkers.

Shimaz said it best:

"Don’t ask us to prove anything until you first prove that someone who rejects Salah, Hadith, and Sunnah can even qualify to be called a Muslim. Until then, all your questions are meaningless."

Exactly.

We don’t debate people who left the house and now want to redesign the roof. Before a Quranist demands that we answer their posts, they need to prove one thing:

Are you even Muslim? Or are you just an ex-Muslim with Wi-Fi?

 

[Mughal1]

Dear ali khan sb, if I were you I rather worry about my own islam which is nothing more than pooja paat.

1)Did you come into this world all by yourself? No, you did not. Other people brought you into this world.

2)After you landed into this world, did you look after and raise yourself? No, other people looked after you and raised you as they liked or as their circumstances dictated or permitted them.

3)Hopefully you live long and when you grow old, will you be able to look after yourself? No, you will need other people to help you live your life.

4)Hopefully you do not get seriously ill but if you do will you be able to look after yourself till you recover? No, you will need help of others to help you recover.

5)You are not free of human errors, mistakes and accidents so if you suffer badly as a result of your mistake or accident then will you be able to look after yourself? No, you will need others to help you.

6)In fact one could be born disabled or with limited capacity and capability or become crippled during any time of one's life be one a child, an adult or elderly so one needs others to look after one.

7)All human beings need purpose based proper education, training and skills to live their lives sensibly and for that we all need help, support and full backing of others.

This is how this world is made by God to work. Can you or anyone else dispute these stated self evident facts? No, not at all.

Since we all need purpose based proper education, training and skills according to these stated indisputable facts, the question is why?

The only sensible answer is, because we need to bring about and maintain a purpose based proper human community.

The question is, why do we need to bring about and maintain a purpose based proper human community in this world?

The answer is found in self evident indisputable facts I have stated above ie we need help, support and full backing of each other to live a purpose based proper life in this world which is impossible otherwise. It is because if we need help of each other then how can we help each other if we do not have needed necessary purpose based proper education, training and skills? People have needs such as fresh clean air for breathing, fresh, clean water for drinking and fresh clean food for eating. They also clothes and shelter etc etc etc.

This is why anything and everything we think, plan and do regardless good or bad it has affect upon our human world therefore it has affect on us individually as well as, as a part of a group. It is because our environment brings us about and we bring about our environment. It is a situation of interaction and participation between things and their environment.

This is why we have clear definition of truth and falsehood, good and bad, right and wrong etc etc.

Since these are actual real world realities which none can dispute including yourself, be one a mullah, a scientists, a politician etc etc. Therefore any alleged God provided guidance for mankind has to fit in this framework. Because if world is made by God and revelation is also by God they have to fitin with each other perfectly.

This is why any interpretation of God's message has to be proven correct according to this framework.

Since God is supposed to be all knowing all wise so there cannot be any mistakes in his message but people for whom he has sent his message they are prone to human errors and mistakes and accidents therefore whenever we share our thoughts, idea and understandings of things with each other we always need to be open to be corrected all the time by each other.

Since no human beings can claim to know mind of God therefore we all are forced to make best possible guesses about things ie about his creation and revelation. We will be correct only and only if our thoughts tally with real world realities and guidance of God in light of each other not otherwise.

Since all human beings are prone to human errors and mistakes including prophets and messengers of God therefore none can be taken as perfect model in each and every possible sense. This is why all human beings including prophets and messengers of God must follow his provided purpose based proper guidance for mankind and not each other blindly. This is why we can agree with each other as well as with God and this is what word ITAAT means ie to be on the same page with God and his prophets and messengers as well as with each other. This is possible because we all have the very same end goal in our sight or we are all aiming for the very same thing.

ITIBAA means to help, support and back up each other for achieving or fulfilling or accomplishing this mission which is bringing about and maintaining a purpose based proper human community in this world according to God provided purpose based proper guidance for mankind.

This is why we are forced to reject each and everything which goes against these stated indisputable self evident facts by anyone. This is how we know whether what we are told in the name of God and his prophet and messenger or anyone else is true or false, right or wrong etc etc.

Almost all so called muslims and nonmuslims are criminals in sight of God and humanity because they have not given their due attention to real world realities and word of God or his creation and revelation to benefit from them fully and to take full advantage of them purposefully properly and as a result they are all suffering terribly painfully throughout human world by hands of each other due to their thinking, planning and acting against each other in a senseless way.

This is why we should support or oppose any idea of each and every person on basis of individual issues in light of this framework. On this basis should be supported or rejected quranic interpretation, any report about any prophet and messenger of God and any report about anyone else be one a muslim or a nonmuslim.

Hopefully my explanation of things helps you make better sense of things. I suggest that you go through my posts for much more info about things in much more detail.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

 

[Rambler]

Dear ali khan sb, if I were you I rather worry about my own islam which is nothing more than pooja paat.

1)Did you come into this world all by yourself? No, you did not. Other people brought you into this world.

2)After you landed into this world, did you look after and raise yourself? No, other people looked after you and raised you as they liked or as their circumstances dictated or permitted them.

3)Hopefully you live long and when you grow old, will you be able to look after yourself? No, you will need other people to help you live your life.

4)Hopefully you do not get seriously ill but if you do will you be able to look after yourself till you recover? No, you will need help of others to help you recover.

5)You are not free of human errors, mistakes and accidents so if you suffer badly as a result of your mistake or accident then will you be able to look after yourself? No, you will need others to help you.

6)In fact one could be born disabled or with limited capacity and capability or become crippled during any time of one's life be one a child, an adult or elderly so one needs others to look after one.

7)All human beings need purpose based proper education, training and skills to live their lives sensibly and for that we all need help, support and full backing of others.

This is how this world is made by God to work. Can you or anyone else dispute these stated self evident facts? No, not at all.

Since we all need purpose based proper education, training and skills according to these stated indisputable facts, the question is why?

The only sensible answer is, because we need to bring about and maintain a purpose based proper human community.

The question is, why do we need to bring about and maintain a purpose based proper human community in this world?

The answer is found in self evident indisputable facts I have stated above ie we need help, support and full backing of each other to live a purpose based proper life in this world which is impossible otherwise. It is because if we need help of each other then how can we help each other if we do not have needed necessary purpose based proper education, training and skills? People have needs such as fresh clean air for breathing, fresh, clean water for drinking and fresh clean food for eating. They also clothes and shelter etc etc etc.

This is why anything and everything we think, plan and do regardless good or bad it has affect upon our human world therefore it has affect on us individually as well as, as a part of a group. It is because our environment brings us about and we bring about our environment. It is a situation of interaction and participation between things and their environment.

This is why we have clear definition of truth and falsehood, good and bad, right and wrong etc etc.

Since these are actual real world realities which none can dispute including yourself, be one a mullah, a scientists, a politician etc etc. Therefore any alleged God provided guidance for mankind has to fit in this framework. Because if world is made by God and revelation is also by God they have to fitin with each other perfectly.

This is why any interpretation of God's message has to be proven correct according to this framework.

Since God is supposed to be all knowing all wise so there cannot be any mistakes in his message but people for whom he has sent his message they are prone to human errors and mistakes and accidents therefore whenever we share our thoughts, idea and understandings of things with each other we always need to be open to be corrected all the time by each other.

Since no human beings can claim to know mind of God therefore we all are forced to make best possible guesses about things ie about his creation and revelation. We will be correct only and only if our thoughts tally with real world realities and guidance of God in light of each other not otherwise.

Since all human beings are prone to human errors and mistakes including prophets and messengers of God therefore none can be taken as perfect model in each and every possible sense. This is why all human beings including prophets and messengers of God must follow his provided purpose based proper guidance for mankind and not each other blindly. This is why we can agree with each other as well as with God and this is what word ITAAT means ie to be on the same page with God and his prophets and messengers as well as with each other. This is possible because we all have the very same end goal in our sight or we are all aiming for the very same thing.

ITIBAA means to help, support and back up each other for achieving or fulfilling or accomplishing this mission which is bringing about and maintaining a purpose based proper human community in this world according to God provided purpose based proper guidance for mankind.

This is why we are forced to reject each and everything which goes against these stated indisputable self evident facts by anyone. This is how we know whether what we are told in the name of God and his prophet and messenger or anyone else is true or false, right or wrong etc etc.

Almost all so called muslims and nonmuslims are criminals in sight of God and humanity because they have not given their due attention to real world realities and word of God or his creation and revelation to benefit from them fully and to take full advantage of them purposefully properly and as a result they are all suffering terribly painfully throughout human world by hands of each other due to their thinking, planning and acting against each other in a senseless way.

This is why we should support or oppose any idea of each and every person on basis of individual issues in light of this framework. On this basis should be supported or rejected quranic interpretation, any report about any prophet and messenger of God and any report about anyone else be one a muslim or a nonmuslim.

Hopefully my explanation of things helps you make better sense of things. I suggest that you go through my posts for much more info about things in much more detail.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

اگر یہ تمھارا لاجک کا ہوم ورک ہوتا تو میں تمہیں سو میں سے پورے پانچ نمبر دیتا

 

[observer-x]

Dear ali khan sb, if I were you I rather worry about my own islam which is nothing more than pooja paat.

Here we go another Pervaizi ideology apologetic.

I bet he has not done his family members' last rites either. What do you do with your dead family members Mughal1 ? You just have them rotting in your house or streets without giving them Islamic ritual ghusl and salat ul janazah?

 

[Citizen X]

Just more emotional ranting.

 

[Panthar_pk]

Watch this: A revert sister, new to Islam, confidently shows how the Qur'an mentions "aqim as-salah" five times in the singular command form. She recognizes the numerical harmony and divine design of the Qur'an without rejecting a single pillar of Islam.

Now contrast this with the sad, angry noise of self-proclaimed "Quranists" like Citizen X, Wake Up Pak, and FORCE, etc. These individuals — who were born in Muslim families, raised among believers — now spend their lives mocking Salah, denying Hadith, scoffing at the Sunnah, and undermining the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

They hide behind memes and sarcasm, calling 1.6 billion Muslims a "cult," and yet they can’t answer 15 basic questions using the Qur'an alone — the very book they claim to champion.

Islam is a Deen. Not a DIY project. Not a Reddit opinion poll. Not a YouTube rebellion.

They call themselves "Quran-only" — but in reality, they are Munkar-e-Qur'an. Why? Because they reject how the Qur'an was understood, taught, lived, and preserved by the very man who received it: Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

They deny the pillars — Salah, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj — and reduce Islam to a vague philosophical blog with no prayer, no Ummah, no scholarship, and no transmission.

These aren't reformers. They're spiritual dropouts trying to rebrand themselves as enlightened thinkers.

Shimaz said it best:

"Don’t ask us to prove anything until you first prove that someone who rejects Salah, Hadith, and Sunnah can even qualify to be called a Muslim. Until then, all your questions are meaningless."

Exactly.

We don’t debate people who left the house and now want to redesign the roof. Before a Quranist demands that we answer their posts, they need to prove one thing:

Are you even Muslim? Or are you just an ex-Muslim with Wi-Fi?

The fitna is exposed long ago but you claim has a lot of wait as well, are they even Muslims

Regarding
The parvaizi fitna were not able to answer. Instead of answering this particular ayat they try to go in a loop of baseless arguments

 

[Citizen X]

The fitna is exposed long ago but you claim has a lot of wait as well, are they even Muslims

I think you meant weight, and I am a very strong critic of G.A.P myself as can be seen in many of my posts here throughout the years.

Here is a very detailed and a very good debunking of GAP by Javed Ghamdi Saab

But to declare anyone Muslim or non Muslim. Allah has not given this authority to anyone of us. You can challenge people's beliefs but you cannot issue edicts because we are just servants.

 

[observer-x]

But to declare anyone Muslim or non Muslim. Allah has not given this authority to anyone of us.

So only Pervaizi can call people mushrik? What a hypocrite you are Pervaizi !!!

 

[Citizen X]

So only Pervaizi can call people mushrik? What a hypocrite you are Pervaizi !!!

A Muslim can be a mushrik too, just like you, it is not exclusive to non Muslims.

 

[Wake up Pak]

A Muslim can be a mushrik too, just like you, it is not exclusive to non Muslims.

These morons are the biggest Mushriks as they deny the Quranic verses.

 

[observer-x]

A Muslim can be a mushrik too, just like you, it is not exclusive to non Muslims.

You don't even know how many conflicting things you utter in one sentence. You're so dumb baba ji.

 

[observer-x]

These morons are the biggest Mushriks as they deny the Quranic verses.

You deny Allah, forget about everything else.

 

[Wake up Pak]

You deny Allah, forget about everything else.

And where did you get that notion from?

 

[observer-x]

And where did you get that notion from?

Everywhere and everytime, I can prove it to you if you have patience to answer my questions.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Everywhere and everytime, I can prove it to you if you have patience to answer my questions.

Show me a single post where I have denied the existence of Allah?

 

[observer-x]

Show me a single post where I have denied the existence of Allah?

Do you believe in Allah?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Do you believe in Allah?

Just STFU and get lost.

 

[observer-x]

Just STFU and get lost.

So you don't believe in Allah and all the prophets?

 

[Citizen X]

Do you believe in Allah?

Damn my stupid dawah bro gang script used for Christians didn't work on one, so I will try with the next one!

Just STFU and get lost.

Oops! That didn't work either

So you don't believe in Allah and all the prophets?

Let me try stupid dawah bro gang reverse phycology trick number 2

 

[observer-x]

Damn my stupid dawah bro gang script used for Christians didn't work on one, so I will try with the next one!


Oops! That didn't work either


Let me try stupid dawah bro gang reverse phycology trick number 2

I'm happy at least you're learning how to have a logical discussion baba ji