Amrika ka hum kya karain? Public debate with Dr.Moeed Pirzada Sochta Pakistan, 30.Apr 2011

[engr.iffi]

 

[closedstreet]

Gen Hameed Gul and his organization bring this country in this situation - today we have a security state instead of welfare state. I wonder we will ever get rid of this concept!!

 

[mkiani]

TIME FOR CHANGE



1: I am dismayed by the lack of understanding by the panel of so-called experts and the new age students who seriously lack the thought provoking education.
So called professors have not encouraged their students for analytical base education, students simply vomit on the examination paper what ever they have swallowed page by page, word by word out the text book in order to get marks.
Hence most of the students always feel that who ever has written in the books and in the newspaper is reliable information or it is based upon the factual information.

I have seen students in oxford/ Cambridge who have successfully challenged the medieval crusaders or Victorian history writers who have distorted the facts of war just because they were over powering force of those periods.
Travelling through villages, town, and universities by intense study & research and collecting data from effected countries and complied a study to change the history books.

2: Most of the ills of Pakistan since 1947 stems from home grown issues which never been addressed or highlighted until now, a oxford educated, a sports man who has a burning desire to sort out virus of nepotism, the hive of corruption, cancer of compromising justice system, a good quality education for all, Taxation system compatible with modern world and its implication so that GDP growth can be measured and spent on all sectors without habitual reliance on the foreign aids.
Jobs and appointment must be, purely on merits so ordinary man and woman in the country can feel the results and its impact can be measured internationally to attract investment from abroad.

At the moment it all seems a distance dream but dreams can only be realized when people really wake up to the fact that society and system is seriously ill and need right kind of medicine and vigorous work out in the gym in order to be a compatible player in the world.
World cannot wait for Pakistan or Pakistanis and why would they?

QUESTION

Do we want to bury the corrupt leadership and the decayed system in the grave forever?

Can we think freely and jump out the quagmire? Can we vote with conscious?

If your answer is NO then this old blood sucking system will bury us.

What you say?????

 

[Star Gazer]

I want to ask Hoodbhai
Did india stop buying weapons from all over the world ever, or they have started to buy weapons after they have achieved economical superiority?

Simbal is right,if the students of QU can not find out where does the aid go then they should probably let some one else be in the University, in my opinion.

 

[Star Gazer]

Gen Hameed Gul and his organization bring this country in this situation - today we have a security state instead of welfare state. I wonder we will ever get rid of this concept!!

You will see some amazing different points of views if you try to come out of the closed street.

 

[only_truths]

You will see some amazing different points of views if you try to come out of the closed street.

Gen. Hamid Gul jaise log, because of their oratory on enemy Bharat which unfortunately is a binding factor for Pakistan have taken you guys generations behind.

 

[Star Gazer]

Gen. Hamid Gul jaise log, because of their oratory on enemy Bharat which unfortunately is a binding factor for Pakistan have taken you guys generations behind.

If we were "generations behind" you would not be chatting with us over the "technology of the time, right?" If we were generations behind then you would be treating us with pitty and not trying to woo us or compete with us all the time telling us, via your posts how well india is doing, right?
If we were generations behind you would have usurped us like you did with, Junagarh, Goa, to give 2 examples, right?
If we were generations behind then you would not have to change the lap from USSR to USA.

If you are so un-nerved by Gen. Hamid Gul then there has to be something he is doing right!
Maybe Shabana Azami, Saif Ali khan can tell you how well the city of bombay is being controlled so that by "Loag"no muslim is allowed to rent or buy house or flat there.

 

[Mullah Omar]

Gen. Hamid Gul jaise log, because of their oratory on enemy Bharat which unfortunately is a binding factor for Pakistan have taken you guys generations behind.

Generation behind who? India? :lol:

 

[only_truths]

If we were "generations behind" you would not be chatting with us over the "technology of the time, right?" If we were generations behind then you would be treating us with pitty and not trying to woo us or compete with us all the time telling us, via your posts how well india is doing, right?
If we were generations behind you would have usurped us like you did with, Junagarh, Goa, to give 2 examples, right?
If we were generations behind then you would not have to change the lap from USSR to USA.

If you are so un-nerved by Gen. Hamid Gul then there has to be something he is doing right!
Maybe Shabana Azami, Saif Ali khan can tell you how well the city of bombay is being controlled so that by "Loag"no muslim is allowed to rent or buy house or flat there.

We have been talking to you in these forums is because we want to get across to those sane people that we are not against Pakistan. May be this argument of Pakistan as enemy true till 1970's. But since 80's the second generation people have taken over and have moved away from Pakistan as an obsession.

I can understand Junagarh but what is about Goa?

BTW, we don't get un-nerved by Hamid Gul least of all. As of Shabana and Saif, where are they living now, in slums? . They have better homes than many in Mumbai. How long you can run this story to spread lies of Indian Muslims are not better off compared to others. Just listen to Shabana herself in the following video. If you believed her statement on flat, then you have to believe her here too.

 

[Star Gazer]

We have been talking to you in these forums is because we want to get across to those sane people that we are not against Pakistan. May be this argument of Pakistan as enemy true till 1970's. But since 80's the second generation people have taken over and have moved away from Pakistan as an obsession.

I can understand Junagarh but what is about Goa?
BTW, we don't get un-nerved by Hamid Gul least of all. As of Shabana and Saif, where are they living now, in slums? . They have better homes than many in Mumbai. How long you can run this story to spread lies of Indian Muslims are not better off compared to others. Just listen to Shabana herself in the following video. If you believed her statement on flat, then you have to believe her here too.

Where ever shabana or Saif live is no concern of mine neither should it be yours. The question is of a matter of choice and the denial of one to a citizen on the basis of religion. To me that is also trying to get to the sane elements in your society and we are trying to do that just as you are!

india has lied blatantly for over 40 years about the role it played in East Pakistan and agartala saazish and suddenly you have developed this sense of being fair and honest and spreading sanity! Yes we are angry, but not stupid and do not want to be cheated by india again. If you have such a desire for fairness then start by apologizing for the indecent acts of the past, or, stop preaching to us.

Where are the second generation people? only on the internet! PM and government are the same old generation, so until you can back your words we will keep a very vigilant eyes. We intend to win for ourselves and have no schemes for india. I will be angry for the sake of keeping my guard up!

 

[only_truths]

Where ever shabana or Saif live is no concern of mine neither should it be yours. The question is of a matter of choice and the denial of one to a citizen on the basis of religion. To me that is also trying to get to the sane elements in your society and we are trying to do that just as you are!

india has lied blatantly for over 40 years about the role it played in East Pakistan and agartala saazish and suddenly you have developed this sense of being fair and honest and spreading sanity! Yes we are angry, but not stupid and do not want to be cheated by india again. If you have such a desire for fairness then start by apologizing for the indecent acts of the past, or, stop preaching to us.

Where are the second generation people? only on the internet! PM and government are the same old generation, so until you can back your words we will keep a very vigilant eyes. We intend to win for ourselves and have no schemes for india. I will be angry for the sake of keeping my guard up!

1. Denial of apartment in a housing society is common in world, Mumbai or any other city in India is NOT an exception. Even Hindus are discriminated in many societies because they are Non-vegetarians. So, in India if someone does not get what they want, some times play religious card.

2. I was asking about your statement on Goa, instead of answering to that you moved on to Agartala, this is what keeping you guys to spin conspiracy theories and see India as an oppressor. So, why I should apologize because you want to keep up your anger? Think about it.

 

[bhasin_parveen]

Gen Hameed Gul and his organization bring this country in this situation - today we have a security state instead of welfare state. I wonder we will ever get rid of this concept!!

very well said

 

[Star Gazer]

1. Denial of apartment in a housing society is common in world, Mumbai or any other city in India is NOT an exception. Even Hindus are discriminated in many societies because they are Non-vegetarians. So, in India if someone does not get what they want, some times play religious card.

2. I was asking about your statement on Goa, instead of answering to that you moved on to Agartala, this is what keeping you guys to spin conspiracy theories and see India as an oppressor. So, why I should apologize because you want to keep up your anger? Think about it.

If you look at your statement you will see the belittling and disregard you show for the issue. To say denial of a house is a worldwide matter not to make anything out of it! really!
A fact of history is that indians lied for 40 years and they are lying still, so there is not reason to trust their words when it comes to policy matters. If you consider the results of that deception to be a conspiracy theory then it only proves my point that you are not ready to accept your mistakes and thus not ready for any change.
By the way I will talk about anything I want to, what you ask is not what I HAVE to talk about!!