Citizen X
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I don't care about A B or C since those scriptures are corrupted or written by men themselves so they hold no importance. If you are kind enough to give me reference to pages which give reference only to Quranic Ayahs and Hadiths. I will gladly read them. Now read the answer to your other question.First of All since you do not believe that Hazrat Eesa As is dead soRead1. Haqiqat ul Wahi page 95 to 130and2. Maseeh Hindustaan mein page 1 to 130.You will findA. Evidence from Bible that Hazrat Eesa As did not die on cross neither was ascended to heaven alive or dead.B. Evidence from Budhmatt religious books about Death of Hazrat Eesa AsC. Evidence from Books of History and historians about the migration of Hazrat Eesa As to Kashmir and his dead there.D. Evidence from Verses of Quran & Ahadees that Maseeh e Nasri ie Hazrat Eesa As is dead and he died before Prophet Mohammad Pbuh.
What if an Ahmediis rich but does not want to pay the chanda and only the 2% zakat and that also not to the jamat but to someone else ?No Ahmadi is kicked out of the Jamaat because he does not pay chanda, pays less chanda or is unable to pay chanda becahse of Finamcial constraints.
No that is incorrectSecondly Laazmi chandajaat's are two Chandaaz1. Hissa Aamad which is 1/16 of your monthly pay or 1/10 of your monthly pay if you have done waseehat.Now i have willfully by my owm consent done waseehat so i pay 1/10th.2. Chanda Jalsa Salana which is 0.8333 % of your monthly pay.

Other than this we pay Zakaat aswell in %age prescribed by He Pbuh. Similarly we give Sadqa aswell and Fitrana Fidya too and we do Ibrahimic sacrifice on Eid ul Adha aswell.Apart from different Jamaat's are given targets worldwide under the categories of1. Tehreek e Jadeed2. Waqf e Jadeed3. Syedana Bilal Fund4. Maryum Shaadi Fund5. Taleemi fund6. Ansarullah Chanda7. Lajna Chanda8. Khuddaam Chanda9. Yaksad Yatama10. Tahir Homeo Pathic11. Fazl e Umar fund12. Mta fund.
See this is also actually one of the things which would turn someone like me really off. The whole beauty of Islam is its not your typical organized religion. I don't need any peer fakir, aalim aur mullah. The Quran and Hadith along with God given common sense is enough for me to be Muslim. I'm not forced to pay for Masjids, schools etc etc. Mirzaiyat on the other hand has this aspect of organized religion church or jamat in your case very deeply ingrained in it. That without the jamat an Ahmedi is nothing and he/she has keep funding it.
Islam on the other hand only the obligatory 2% and that too to his/her own will on who they feel is most deserving.
And even after all that forced chandas, I don't have the latest figures nor could I find them online ( so much for financial transparency ! ) but in 2010 their total collection was 5.6 million pounds from their alleged 200 million or so followers even after such heavy forced chandas from them and every second khutba from your Khalifa is a reminder to pay up.
Even if every Ahamadi paid 1 gbp it would be atleast 200 million pounds, this it proves the figure given of Ahmedis in the world is nothing but a fabrication, every thought about that, why it is so ?
While Shaukat Khanam got more than 4 times that amount without resorting to such pressure tactics and extortion. And this amount is excluding peoples Zakat donations which is almost the same amount. Not to mention the Edhi Foundation too.
We all do it wilfully. 99.9 % of us earn our livelihood by halaal means Alhamdoulillah and We do this financial sacrifice for all the noble, holy and humanitarian works our Jamaat is doing worthwide for Islam.
Correction not for Islam but Ahmadiyat. We all know that is the case, they make no effort to hide it, infact promote it that all of this is from Ahamdiyat and what a wonderful cult it is. Although no good deed should be criticized but its a well know way to gain followers specially among the poor and the illiterate population. A tactic first developed by Christian missionaries and now your missionaries are doing the same. And this point is qualified by your own statement below
Bohat se logoun ko takleef hai k hum iss paisay se dunya mein jo kaam ker rahay hein aor Saeed fitrat loug hamara kirdaar aor ka dekh k Ahmadiat mein daakhil horahah hein alhamdoulillah.
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Logoun k Propaganda ko 99.9 % Ahmadi Musalmaan jooti ki noke pe rakhtay hein. Hum fully waqif hein k Hazur Ayadullah Taala kaham rehtay hein unki kya zindagi hai. Unka Rehun Sehun hum se dhakka chupa hua nai hai.
Aap se dhaka chupa nahi hai to hum ko bi bataien dein
Hum nai chahtay k Hazur ko Pakistan mein jhootay cases mein Jail mein rehna perhay ya Unn ko Shaheed kiya jaey. Ya Ulema e Soo Gustakhee k jhootay muqadmoun aor Murtadd k fatwoun mein Jaali Aashiq e Rasool k through unka khoon bahaein. So hijrat ker k bilkul theek kiya hai. Jub tak Haalaat iss Nehaj pe nai thay tou 3 Khalifa Pakistan mein rahay. Bilkul theek hijrat ki khalifa Raabay Rt aor Khalifa Khaamis Ayadullah taala benaslil aziz ne . . .
Lekin app ke huzoor aur Jaamat ne maghrabhi duniya mein rehe ke udhar ke kanoon khoob apne mukhalifon ke khilaf istimal kiye hain, aur apnay aap ko mazloom dikha ke unko bewaqoof bi banaya hai aur un ke qanoon se bohat faida bhi uthaya hai. For example the corruption of the Jamat, taking large donations and issuing them good certificates for their asylum applications and those who don't donate a large sum a not so good certificate.
http://www.pi-news.net/2014/11/korrupte-ahmadiyya-im-asylbusiness/
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[/FONT][/FONT][FONT="]The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees is reviewing allegations against the Muslim Ahmadiyya community. These include human smuggling and dubious credentials, according to ARD magazine [/FONT]Report Mainz[FONT="] and [/FONT]Der Spiegel[FONT="], says a spokeswoman for the authority.[/FONT][FONT="]Certificates are required in the asylum procedure and are often issued after large donations payments, the reports say, citing current and former members of the Islamic reform movement (islamischen Reformbewegung).[/FONT]
Those who do not provide the donations do not receive positive certificates.......Active members therefore often have a good chance to be classified in Germany as asylum seekers. However, they have to prove that they are deeply rooted in their communities.
So they need community support in the process [to obtain positive certificates].
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[FONT=Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Sans, Geneva, Verdana, sans-serif][/FONT]A case reported concerned a Pakistani, with the Ahmadiyya headquarters providing only an average testimony, even though he was in an honorary capacity in the Wiesbaden community. He had earlier donated 2100 to the community, but this was allegedly 900 euros less than originally agreed.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT="]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT="]Now dismiss this also as propaganda and work of enemies of Mirzaiyat. Wonder what [/FONT][/FONT]enmity[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT="] the German media has with it though?[/FONT][/FONT]
Aap loug pehlay kehtay thay kHumein Tamaam funding Jews & Christian kertay hein. Aor uss paisay se hum tableegh ker rahay......edited to save space
I've read it but don't feel has any relevance to the topic at hand hence no reply
Aapko Ilm hai k Khalifa e Waqt kahan rehtay hein ? Nai aapko nai pata.
Nahi hai to aap bata do
Aor Aapko pata hai k Hamari Jamaat mein Unn Maooun k Sapoot zinda hein jo Tohfatann In love of Hazur ABA unko car gift kertay hein. Aap ko agar takleef hai tou rahay. Allah ne jisay maali kashaish di hai uski marzi. Mujhay b toufeeq millay gee mein b ye kerum ga. Aap kya Jaano Khilafat kya hoti hai.Jub 2010 mein Pakistan mein Lahore mein 95 ahmadi shaheed hogaey thay tou hum ne apni government se aik aana bhee nai liya aor unn tamaam khaandaanoun ki kafalat hum apne financial sacrifice se ker rahay hein. Agar aapko takleef hai tou rahay. Aap hamari Jaib ki hamaray paisay ki fikar na kerein. Aapko kyun Maroarh uth rahay hein ?Raaj Paal Hindu ne Jo Hazur Pbuh pe Ganday Ilzamaat lagaey, jo jo aeyrazaat Meeca ka sub se Aalim Abu Jehal kerta tha uss se kya Islam Ruk gaya khatam hogaya ?Aap loug b 127 saal se Hazrat Maseeh e Mouood As ki zaat pe, Tehreeraat pe, Khulafa k Character pe Aetrazaat ker ker k thaktay nai hein. Hazaaroun aetrazaat. Per agar Hazrat Maseeh e Mouood As ki jamaat ko unkay maan ne waaloun ko Aap ya aapkay Zameeni khuda 127 saal mein nai mita sakay na he iski growth ko rok sakay tou apne zameeni khudaoun se sawaal keejiye jinhoun ne budtareen persecution bhee ki, kaee khoon b kiye per ye jamaat khatam na hui. Phir Allah k aagay apne maathay ragrheeay sajdoun mein aor rou rou k sawaal keejiye k YaAllah Nabioun k Sardaar k mutaliq Nabooat ka Aap ne jo mayaar rakhna jaanchne ka Hazur Pbuh k liye aor unkay baad jo jo jhoota kaazib tha Musalima kazaab se le ker Alexander Dowee tal 29 k 29 ko Aap ne Nishaan e Ibrat bana diya aor unkay Naam leva wo kuch saal mein Safa e hasti se mita diya Surah e Haaqa k waada k aen mutaabiq aaj dunya mein koi unka maan ne waala nai. YaAllah Aap ne 127 saal mein Mirza Ghulam Ahmed As, Khulafa e Ahmadiat aor Ahmadioun ka wo haal kyun nai kiya agar ye Jhootay Kazaab Nabi k maan ne waalay hein.
Once again I feel this has no relevance to the topic at hand and just more cut and paste proselytizing and Mirzai propaganda hence no reply also. If you feel otherwise let me know and I will reply to it too.