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[jabeen]

MQM per Ilzam laganay waloo zara batao na ka kitnay log MQM na maray ?

Karachi ma mernay walay 99% log MQM ka log thay,
Jinnah pur ka ilzama laga ker hamaray logo ka khoon bahanay waloo ko Hisaab daina ho ga.
1964 , 1973 1986 1988 1990 aur us ka baad 1992 - 1999 tak hazaroo Mohajiro ka khoon kis na bahaya is ka jawab kon day ga ?

MQM mukhalifoo ka mou kala ho gaya, ALlah ki phitkaar perh agye ha abb bilbila rahay hain 18 saal tak jhoot bolnay walay abb isi terhan ki batain karain gay.

Allah ka shukar ha Sach samnay aa gaya.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Waisay kisi insaan ka mara jana ik bohat hi galat iqdaam hai... magar mayri samaj yeah baat nai ayee kay MQM last 7 yrs kay hakoomat main hai...MQM nay kabhi nahi is mamlay mian bola... CJ kay say kyon bol raha hain.. hakumat say bolain aur agar kuch nahi hota tu hakumat say alag ho jayeen.. mujay mufadat ki siasat lagti hai..

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[Jury]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRumzUIKjSo&feature=channel_page[/video]

 

[MQM]

1998 and 1999 main altaf hussain ki speach ke doran ye naarey kai baar lage or saboot ke taur par es waqat ke news papers utha kar dekhey ja saktey hain ke ye naar ADHA TUMHARA ADHA HAMARA tu dear ye koi sazish nahee or ye jo DR Danish hain MQM ke lefafa bardar namnahad enkar person es ki nokri hi mqm ki B........T karna hey or ye jo Army Gen jin ko establishment kaha jata hey en ki apni takhleeq hey mqm khud hi es ke khelaf opration kartey hain or khud hi doodh bhi pilatey hain ye london wala en ka N............Z beyta en ke esharey par hi nachta hey ye kahain ke din ko raat or raat ko din tu woh bari dhatai ke sath es par taqreerain karta phirey ga or chamchey har forum par us ko khaleefa ka darja dey rahey honge ye tu mohra hey jo rasi khenchey janey par nachta hey or rasi khechey janey par gane gata hey [musharaf]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2hs3wEMaQk[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxrvzxpysJM[/video]

 

[abbasiali]

Dear Sister,
Nice to hear from you after a while, Lots of fact, which are undeniable, controversies, contradiction, every single word full of truth, agree with you by all means,
Our reliable MQM Leadership, which turned into controversial leadership, when they shake hand with PPP Government, these are the people who are very clearly involved in killing of Muhajirs in Hyderabad Qila(correct me if I am wrong) and now what will be the guarantee, the MQM Leadership will not shake hands with Nawaz Sharif, who is directly involved in Jinnah pur conspiracy along with killing of Muhajirs in 1992 army operation.

Regards

@Abbasiali

Very clever and smart analysis. Anyways, that's your right. But I must say you'r seeing the things on a very high level and from there you can not visualize the reality at its full strength. It looks very logical BUT you have to do a very deep analysis to find the answer of your curiosities.

Now by accepting your argument, let's make a scenario:

MQM doesn't go into the govt. with PPP because they did operation against them - CONFRONTATION WITH THE LARGEST PARTY IN PAKISTAN
MQM doesn't go into the govt. with PMLN because they did operation against them - CONFRONTATION WITH A SECOND LARGEST PARTY IN PAKISTAN

Literally it means:

Confrontation with whole Pakistan.
Confrontation with every power center of Pakistan.
Confrontation with Pakistan army.
Confrontation with Pakistan media.
and so on.

What MQM will get in return of this Confrontation:

No funds for the development of Karachi and Hyderabad.
Media trial
Army operation
Extra judicial killings
Treatment like SHUDDARS in Pakistani society.
Anarchy can be developed in Karachi by enemies of Pakistan in this ideal situation.
Are you ready to accept this challenge?

MQM can leave the govt. in a second if you people assures that when MQM will face the above consequences, you as a common Pakistani will be standing with Karachi people.

But , unfortunately, we are not ready to trust any one. For our water we have to dig our own well my dear. No one will support us for sure. This is gauranteed and tested previously many times in the past. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT WE ARE ORPHANS IN THIS COUNTRY.

So, please let MQM be in the govt. and let them take as much as they can take from this corrupt system of wadera shahi. This is crystal clear that if MQM is in the govt. it never misuses their position. You will hardly found any corruption charge on any of the MQM official. Karachi development is a live example for you.

Think about it. Thanks

Dear Pakpatriot1
I read it very carefully, Now help me to understand, one very basic question, Do we have value of human being,human blood, what could be the best way to ignore that scene, where someone have seen his/her, brother/sister dying of one cause, for which they were provoked to participate, which actually end up for only few individuals own benefits, Now they lost their life and the killers are still free, so called Leaders are sitting together, because they are avoiding confrontations, now they have come in a position where they can avoid confrontation by shaking hands with these culprits, Ok agreed, they were so weak and now they are finding no other way than compromise, why they didn't think this scenario before that blood shed, they need these innocent people blood to become negotiators and make good use for themselves,

I believe there are some other elements, which actually you are overlooking, I do believe the list of people type,whom you have mention and they are contributing, but tell me this is world of expenses, where me and you are struggling hard to cover our bread and butter, how much can we part from our income, you know very clearly, and specially the respectable professionals, whom you have mentioned, could contribute to run the show, for me its question mark?

You have mention few critrias, but is Pakistani citizens not only in Karachi but in whole are really treated as, the way you have mentioned,

Are they not trated worst than SHOUDERS?
Facing truth is media trial?
Extra judicial killing self explanatory, in whole Pakistan, where it is not happening,
How do you explain Anarchy, aren't we in Anarchy?
We should have system, which should provide Funds for all required areas.

I really want to agree with you, but believe me, My analysis is on ground level, where I want to admit the realities, not assumptions.

Regards.

 

[barshad]

Watch OFF THE RECORD, and read this article on this web site.
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2009/08/25/lead1.html

 

[jabeen]

I don't understand what is the connection of 12 May and 1992 operation?

If people here who thinks about Human lives why never raise any voice over 1964,1973,1986,1988 and 1990 plus operation of 1992?

Thousands of people died during those massacre, us ka baray ma koi baat kernay ko tyyar nahi?
after 12 May 27 Dec also happened, 200 people died, 30 women raped 1150 cars were burnt ?

Why only 12 May ?

this was also happened on 12 May !!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpddNAnQkuQ[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR1whOis970[/video]


Kia Adalat andhi ha wo sirf MQM Mukhalif Videos deki gi in videos aur pics ko nahi dekhay gi ??

 

[jabeen]

 

[PakPatriot1]

Dear Pakpatriot1
I read it very carefully, Now help me to understand, one very basic question, Do we have value of human being,human blood, what could be the best way to ignore that scene, where someone have seen his/her, brother/sister dying of one cause, for which they were provoked to participate, which actually end up for only few individuals own benefits, Now they lost their life and the killers are still free, so called Leaders are sitting together, because they are avoiding confrontations, now they have come in a position where they can avoid confrontation by shaking hands with these culprits, Ok agreed, they were so weak and now they are finding no other way than compromise, why they didn't think this scenario before that blood shed, they need these innocent people blood to become negotiators and make good use for themselves,

I believe there are some other elements, which actually you are overlooking, I do believe the list of people type,whom you have mention and they are contributing, but tell me this is world of expenses, where me and you are struggling hard to cover our bread and butter, how much can we part from our income, you know very clearly, and specially the respectable professionals, whom you have mentioned, could contribute to run the show, for me its question mark?

You have mention few critrias, but is Pakistani citizens not only in Karachi but in whole are really treated as, the way you have mentioned,

Are they not trated worst than SHOUDERS?
Facing truth is media trial?
Extra judicial killing self explanatory, in whole Pakistan, where it is not happening,
How do you explain Anarchy, aren't we in Anarchy?
We should have system, which should provide Funds for all required areas.

I really want to agree with you, but believe me, My analysis is on ground level, where I want to admit the realities, not assumptions.

Regards.

 

[PakPatriot1]

Dear Pakpatriot1
I read it very carefully, Now help me to understand, one very basic question, Do we have value of human being,human blood, what could be the best way to ignore that scene, where someone have seen his/her, brother/sister dying of one cause, for which they were provoked to participate, which actually end up for only few individuals own benefits, Now they lost their life and the killers are still free, so called Leaders are sitting together, because they are avoiding confrontations, now they have come in a position where they can avoid confrontation by shaking hands with these culprits, Ok agreed, they were so weak and now they are finding no other way than compromise, why they didn't think this scenario before that blood shed, they need these innocent people blood to become negotiators and make good use for themselves,

I believe there are some other elements, which actually you are overlooking, I do believe the list of people type,whom you have mention and they are contributing, but tell me this is world of expenses, where me and you are struggling hard to cover our bread and butter, how much can we part from our income, you know very clearly, and specially the respectable professionals, whom you have mentioned, could contribute to run the show, for me its question mark?

You have mention few critrias, but is Pakistani citizens not only in Karachi but in whole are really treated as, the way you have mentioned,

Are they not trated worst than SHOUDERS?
Facing truth is media trial?
Extra judicial killing self explanatory, in whole Pakistan, where it is not happening,
How do you explain Anarchy, aren't we in Anarchy?
We should have system, which should provide Funds for all required areas.

I really want to agree with you, but believe me, My analysis is on ground level, where I want to admit the realities, not assumptions.

Regards.

@Abbasi Bhai:
I appreciate your patience and politeness in the matter, otherwise I am feeling an intense heat on this current topic from both sides.
Anyways, please clarify the following. You said:

Are they not trated worst than SHOUDERS?
Facing truth is media trial?
Extra judicial killing self explanatory, in whole Pakistan, where it is not happening,
How do you explain Anarchy, aren't we in Anarchy?
We should have system, which should provide Funds for all required areas.

[/quote]

Are they not trated worst than SHOUDERS?
Of course, but if some pockets of the population don't want to live like that and want change and want to set an example for others then what is the issue ?

Facing truth is media trial?
Please tell me, the recently exposed Jinnahpur Drama from its own creators was not a media trial in 1992? What do you say when journalists from Punjab were brought to Karachi and showed to them the maps of Jinnahpur. Did that media sitquite on the issue in Punjab. Didn't they make any hue and cry without finding any truth? This is called biased media trial my brother.

Extra judicial killing self explanatory, in whole Pakistan, where it is not happening,
What do I say here? You are biased (Sorry, but your are not I know) or unaware or very simple? You are ignoring the fact that the worst opponents of MQM are accepting now on NA floor even.Have you forgotten Inspector Bahadur Ali who used to make young people unable to get mary in the police stations lock ups?

How do you explain Anarchy, aren't we in Anarchy?
Yes we are, but not that level where the situation will be out of control.

We should have system, which should provide Funds for all required areas.
Are you telling it to me or to the others? Yes, of course every citizen in Pakistan has an equal right to enjoy basic necessities of life. That's what me and you are struggling for on our own personal levels, aren't we?
Ok, leave everything aside what I said, if I agreed upon you on your arguments then just give me the best possible solution.
What should MQM do? What are the options available for them?
Don't go for the election? Then what is the purpose of the politics for them?
Go for the election and sit on opposition forever and live under the administration of Wadera Shahi and surrender as SHUDDARS
Demand a seperate province for Karachi and Hyderabd?
Start confrontation and put the country on anarchy and point of no return?

OR,OR,

Be with the sitting govt. and keep struggling for the betterment of the people of Pakistan. Of course this is not an ideal thought, But what to do, you tell me instead?
Thanks

 

[Tanweer.Amjad]

So called "Bitter Truth". More truth would be revealed subsequently.
the problem was caused by Establishment involving Army. If one thinks some one is saying the truth then one should take the full truth. Clearly mentioned in that truth that it was 100% military operation, politicians could do nothing more than watching it from their palaces. Pity is that MQM fell onto the laps of an Army general and stayed there for 8 years and couldn't seek an apology from him on behalf of Army or not even a statement like the operation from Army was regretted.
Government and Opposition are supposed to be part of the parliament. I think ministries could easily be avoided even if you need to avoid confrontation. I am 100 percent sure PPP would have no heart feelings in this regard. There are a lot of MNA's and MPA's of PPP who are dying for ministries, so it will not cause any tension if MQM refrain from becoming part of Government of their problems contributors and perform positive role of opposition. After all they claim to be different. But too good to be true. all chicks of the same flock.
Solution is go for the election and sit in the opposition if you have majority in one city, not in one province. And don't vote for a dictator for his election in uniform and don't vote for a wadera president.