یہ گندگی کب صاف ہوگی ؟

[Khuram Shehzad Jafri]

جو بھی تم سے اختلاف کرے وہ یا تو یزید ہے یا یزید کا پروکار یا طالبان یا ظالمان ؟

انہوں نے میری پوسٹ سے اختلاف کیا ہے یا میرے فرقے کو ٹارگٹ کیا ہے ؟؟؟

اگر تو میرے سے اختلاف کیا ہے تو میں معافی مانگنے کو تیار ہوں اس بات پر
اور یزید کا پروکار ہی تو طالبان کا یار ہے اس میں کیا فرق ہے

 

[jason]

انہوں نے میری پوسٹ سے اختلاف کیا ہے یا میرے فرقے کو ٹارگٹ کیا ہے ؟؟؟

اگر تو میرے سے اختلاف کیا ہے تو میں معافی مانگنے کو تیار ہوں اس بات پر
اور یزید کا پروکار ہی تو طالبان کا یار ہے اس میں کیا فرق ہے

تم حضرت امام حسسیں ر ض کی بات رہنے دو یہ یزید کے پروکار کون ہیں اور کہاں پاۓ جاتے ہیں اور جواب سیدھی طرح بتاؤ ایں بائیں شائیں نا کرو

 

[AbdulRehman]

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[Bret Hawk]

انسان عمر سے بڑا نہیں ہوتا اس کی گفتکو ظاھر کرتی ہے کے وہ کتنا بڑھا ہے
ان کے پوسٹ دیکھیں اور پھر اندازہ کر لیں
میرے خیال سے جواب ان کی پوسٹ کے بارے میں تھا اور نہ ہی ان پر کوئی پرسنل اٹیک کی گیا ہے اور نہ ہی میں ایسا کرتا ہوں
جاہل اگر کہا تو وہ ان کی کم عقلی پر کہا


دوسری بات یزید سے مطلق وہ لعنتی تو لعنت کا مستحق ہے قیامت تک اور اس کے پروکار بھی قیامت تک ذلیل خوار ہی ہوں گے
اسلامی کتابیں پڑھو
حق کی تلاش کرو مل جائے گا حق
اور یزید نے اسلام میں ردوبدل کرنا چاہی تھی اس وقت امام حسین علیہ سلام نے اپنی شہادت سے لوگوں تک حق کو پونچایا

یہ بحث بہت ہو چکی ہے اس لئے بہتر ہے خود پڑھو تمہیں جواب ضرور مل جائے گا
اگر نہ ملے تو بتانا میں کتابیں بتا دوں گا ان کو جا کر پڑھ لینا

اور رہی بات اختلاف کی تو میں نے کبھی یہاں پر کسی کے فرقے کو ٹارگٹ نہیں کیا
بھائی ہم سب مسلمان ہیں اختلاف کو چھوڑ کر جو ہمارے درمیان اتحاد پیدا کر سکتی ہیں چیزیں ہم ان پر بات کرنی چاہیے

لیکن یہی لوگ جو اوپر بہت شریف بن رہے اب یہی سب سے زائدہ اس میں دانسے ہوے ہیں

Dear Khuram since you’ve shown a slight softness and humility in your response then I only have to allude to some points by keeping your attention fully focused on some historical and social aspects of conflicts. My dear its not that you vilify Yazid Ibn Muawiya or someone else in that part of bloody epoch of Muslim history the point is to read the course of history along with its own peculiar set of attributes and components.

There are few points which I’m going to make here which you might consider them worthy enough to intrigue and further exploration with no particular emphasis on the finality of opinion and judgement on the said issue;

After the internal strives of Arab dominated region (The crises of Kharajites, discord between the two powerful Quraish tribes Banu Hashim and Ummeya, apostasy and diverging on the issue of Zakat collection to name a few incidents) who held the and wielded the power (In a significant & relative sense) to deal with those conflicts? Banu Ummeya or some other tribes?

Mostly people from your school of thought consider Yazid I as an out an out autocrat who had designs to undermine the basic message of Islam in that point of time then are you also want to entertain this fact for few moments that traditionally speaking autocrats use to engage in their own matters within the confines of impregnable confinements instead of going for a virtual suicide mission to challenge the undisputed superpower of that time; The Roman Byzantium?

Why Imam Hussain never allowed to travel to Damascus and to make his issues settled with Yazid I on his own in his last address against the Syrian army on the eve of the Battle of Karbala?

Is there any historical record to suggest that the letters, which were dispatched to the Imam Hussain by his supposedly followers in Kufa, do exists in any form in this day and if not what was the real and hidden reason for their burning?

Where’s the original script of allegedly the first compiler of the Karbala tragedy Abu Mikhnaf (D. 157 AH/774 AD) with the title of Kitab Maqtal Al Hussain and why this and subsequent primary accounts of that tragedy do not include the narrations of the survivors of Imam’s camp most notably Imam Zain ul Abideen and other female members of the Banu Hashim who were accompanying the Imam in that journey from Madina to Kufa before its forceful halt at the station of Karbala?

The so called avengers of Imam Hussain and his household and companions targeted mainly the Kuffan dissidents in the aftermath of that tragedy. Why the main culprits of the Syrian army were not targeted along with the alleged key figures which are traditionally implicated in that atrocity by someone like Mukhtar Al Saqafi?

Why there’s an allegation on the part of the historians that there is a high possibility of employing the tactic of misnomers in the compilation and reporting of Imam’s companions? For instance Arabs till this day hardly use the names of Ali Akbar, Asghar etc. What were the real names of Imam’s children along with his cousins and half brothers?


I think you can carry some of these points and try to search on the materials other than those which you’ve gleaned up till now and try to find the gaps in the above stated doubts of the sceptics which are in circulation for many centuries now.

 

[Night_Hawk]

 

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[simple_and_peacefull]

اسلام علیکم
آپ سے التماس ہے کہ اس فورم کے وقار کو برقرار رکھتے ہوے باوقار طریقے سے موضوع سے اختلاف کریں
آپ کی تحریر سے آپکی تعلیم و تربیت اور آپ کے معیار کا عکس جھلکتا ہے اسلیے کچھ لکھتے وقت خیال رکھیں کہ کیا لکھ رہے ہیں

میں اپنی اس تحریر کے ساتھ ہی اس تھریڈ کو یہیں بند کرتا ہوں ​

 

[Faiza]

A guide for the tongue from the Qur'an:
-Speak the truth (3:17)
-Speak straight (33:70)
-Speak justice (6:152)
-Speak kindly (2:83)
-Speak politely (17:53)
-Speak fairly (17:28)
-Speak gently (20:44)
-Speak graciously (17:23)
-Speak not in vain (23:3)
-Speak no lie (22:30)

Allah, the Most High, says:

Repel evil with good [Surat al-Muminun: 96]

Repel, by [means of] what is best, [their] evil. We are most knowing of what they describe.

اور بری بات کے جواب میں ایسی بات کہو جو نہایت اچھی ہو۔ اور یہ جو کچھ بیان کرتے ہیں ہمیں خوب معلوم ہے​

A Reflection:
No matter what they say about you

No matter how much they verbally abuse you or transgress against your rights

No matter what they do to you or fabricate about you due to animosity and injustice

Dont stoop to their level or be like them. Preserve your dignity and be the better person.