ہم کوئی نیا "سلمان رشدی" قبول نہیں کریں گے

binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

As originally posted here.

Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?












Many of you find this article as Religious in nature, so it might get deleted on some forums, however, I have tried to ask a specific question from a specific Political Party. Yes, it is a mix of religious and political nature but it is important.


Let me ask it straight away: Is Quran a S**y book, just as explained in this video? Is Islam a S**y religion, as our famous "Salman Ahmed" is stating in this video?

If Your Answer is Yes

I will appreciate if you can convince me for this. What part of My Quran and what part of My Islam makes you think so? I will wait for your comments.

If Your Answer is No

Then what do you think about this man? Should we, by any means, honor him being Muslims? Do you think it's Blasphemy? I am confused about blasphemy myself, but the problem is, abusing Quran means you are abusing its Writer and the Messenger who conveyed this message to us from the Writer. Is it Blasphemy? Question !

The Hatred Against Salman Rushdi

I bet 97% of you good folks have never read what Rushdi wrote in his "The Satanic Verses" and even then you guys hate him. I hope it doesn't fall in blasphemy act, but Salman Rushdi created a fiction where his characters were analogous to Muslim's sacred personalities like Prophet Muhammed PBUH, angel Gabriel and Ayesha RA. What was seriously wrong is that he made up an analogous incident where Prophet Muhammed PBUH (NaoozuBiLLAH) forgets an Ayah and recite it with totally different meaning, result of which is the Satan being praised. (NaoozuBiLLAH)

I am not the Devil's Advocate here, but an interesting fact is that this controversial incident has been inscribed in few of Islamic History books. It is disputed by some of the early Muslim historians, especially (Muhammad ben Yasar) Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 CE), (Muhammad Abu 'Abdullah Ibn Umar) al-Waqidi (747-822 CE), (Muhammad Ibn Muslim Ibn Shihab) al-Zuhri (d.741 CE), Muhammad Ibn Sa'd (d. 845 CE), al-Tabari (c. 839-923 CE), Ibrahi. Ibn Hisham, Ibn Ishaq's editor, omits the passage, but it is preserved as a quotation from al-Tabari, in Guillaume's translation of Ibn Ishaq (Ishaq 165-166. See Muir, pp.lxxix-lxxx).

The point is, there was a dispute in our history and Rushdi made a story of it. Blasphemous or not, it's your decision. I personally feel a big Yes for it.

The Modern Ignored Blasphemy

So there he is, Mr. Salman Ahmed. You must have seen the video available in the beginning of this article. I ask thee again, is it acceptable what he just said???? I think it's even bigger blasphemy then Rushdi's, for Salman Rusdhi had a disputed incident he mocked, whereas Salman Ahmed is generally hitting Quran and Islam both, without any obvious reason.

It's 23rd March Jalsa and Salman Ahmed is the Guest - PTI

Call it a propaganda or whatever, but being Muslim, I ask you a simple question: How good is it to support, endorse or feature Salman Ahmed in your official gatherings? We may dope, we may smoke and we may drink - We can be so wrong - but we never abuse Islam and Quran, what about this situation? Are you still defending Imran Khan? Even if you do, should he (Salman) be there? Shouldn't he be avoided by everyone?

Do You Follow PTI, Are You Muslim Too?

We have three levels of Belief. Stop a sin by force when you see it. Speak against it if you don't have power to fight for it. Say it wrong in your conception if you don't have power even to speak. Dear PTI folks, I understand and respect you being my brother, but the question is, are you Muslim too??? Won't you speak at least against honoring him and inviting him in your gatherings? Despite of all political differences, we are all Pakistani and we are all Muslims. Are we united for anything against our Holy Book, our Religion??? I am not in favor of death penalty against blasphemy but the other extreme, i.e. something in this video, what about it?









As originally posted here. Courtesy MaxWhispers.
 
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Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

I am confused about blasphemy myself, but the problem is, abusing Quran means you are abusing its Writer and the Messenger who conveyed this message to us from the Writer. Is it Blasphemy? Question !

Simple answer to your post - provided by yourself. First get a more comprehensive and better understanding of Blasphemy before accusing Salman Ahmed of it.
 

Mr Justice

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Pretty good references indeed. I am a die hard Insafian, even traveled to Pakistan these days to support PTI. I am sure, soon you will see, may not be publicly, but behind the scenes, PTI leadership will distance away from Salman. There are sentimental + reputational issues for doing so. Lest assure, it will happen. Indeed, Salman has done very very wrong, whether he was high on something or stoned altogether. I, including many others still dont like him after that incident.
 

sadaa

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Salam is not a member of PTI, so, go find some other propaganda !!!
 

binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Simple answer to your post - provided by yourself. First get a more comprehensive and better understanding of Blasphemy before accusing Salman Ahmed of it.

Thank you very much for getting engaged. I am confused but my tendency is, YES he is. I hope you are very well aware about referring anything as "Sexy". We are talking about Lord, his Messenger and His Book.
I am confused about reader's mind - Consider it as a clarification.
 

Mansoor Khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Lo aur suno. S..y religion. Acha ab ye word ko american english mei bhi dekho na. Wahan pe fcking ka lafz is khas maane ke sath use nahin hota yaar. har jagha be it good or bad use hosakta hai. try to understand what he is trying to convey. ab aplogo ko aur kuch na mila tu blasphemy yaad agaya. pata nahin Khud koi nimaz shimaz perthe ho ya koi aur sahi kam karte ho ke nahin lekin dosro pe fatwa lazim lagaoge. ab mera aik side roomate tha nimaz nahin persakta tu usdin aik pic upload karli ke jis pe sheyr tha ke.. tu tu hai rab ashna tujhe nimaz se kia milega ke something like that. So basically in your own prejudice why are you trying to portray him as such. you are surely not doing this for the sake of Allah but for sake of your prejudice and anger. wake up buddy.
 

Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Mr. Maaz bin Mahmood I just checked your website MaxWhispers and it shows that you have nothing there but hateful comments against PTI. Brother you have a sickness and need to see a good psychiatrist.
 

knower

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

unfortunately, this video isnt fake brother...I've seen this on tv a few years back, even before salman came in PTI... its very old and real.

but the good thing is that Ive seen improvement in Salman towards Islam


plzz ab ye mat kehna ke BBC bhi noorey ka hai :) :D
Corrupt Sharif family shame on u releasing such video. It is shear insult of Islam u r spreading this video for vote, But u are insulting Islam by inviting people to listen Insult of Islam. Plz dont spread insult of Islam--.
and I am sure this video made by sharif family
, Nawas Sharif himself used to go London after 20 days as his wife is very old-- One can ask y NawazSharif used to go London twice a month??
 
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binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Mr. Maaz bin Mahmood I just checked your website MaxWhispers and it shows that you have nothing there but hateful comments against PTI. Brother you have a sickness and need to see a good psychiatrist.

Thank you very much Sir. I thought we have "diference of opinions" as acceptable term for "EDUCATED" youth in PTI. Things are worse though. I have various differences with PTI, Yes I have, but the question is not about PTI or differences with it, at least when it comes to THIS particular post.

Thanks & JazakALLAH !
 

Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

I am confused about reader's mind - Consider it as a clarification.

You may be cofused now about reader's mind but I am pretty sure you have nothing except hatred in your mind and it is amply evident on your website. These are not comments of a sincere and neutral person but someone who is burning in hatred of Imran Khan and uttering poisonous propaganda on his website. What are you doing here? Don't you have enough sick minds following you on your website; you sicko.
 

binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?


You may be cofused now about reader's mind but I am pretty sure you have nothing except hatred in your mind and it is amply evident on your website. These are not comments of a sincere and neutral person but someone who is burning in hatred of Imran Khan and uttering poisonous propaganda on his website. What are you doing here? Don't you have enough sick minds following you on your website; you sicko.

Being an independent member, I have a full right to be here. Ask any of your father(s) to *remove* me from here. In Urdu, jo ukharna hai ukhaar leejyay. Thanks for you rengagement. We have an office tomorrow and aap jaisai Khar Maghaz k mathai lagna waisa hi hai jaisai Oont (camel) ko Rikshaw main bithana.

Have a good night. Bye !
 

younus

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

if someone being a guest affects your religion then i have a question back to you:

he is Pakistani and human being now you being Pakistan and human being qualify as Muslim too?

oh and you never talked about a party who's member holding an office (Suleman holds no office) talking about her daughter's mujra? What about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjFIGTwAKDM

what a pathetic bunch of group of these patwaris....
 

younus

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

shame on admins who allow these hatred posts... every day people are being killed because of these idiots and morons and someone still allow them to post on mainstream websites for few bucks... utterly disgusting
 

Politcs

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Salaman is in PTI now so forget about his past. His past will only creates problems if he ever decided to leave PTI. PTI is like MQM where you are welcome but abused badly if you leave.
 
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Oh Mr Intermediate I request u plz delete this video. u should not spreading things which abusing Islam(although its words r different meaning however common listener not understood that).. I dont know y u are doing that .. are hating islam or u r doing for politics . people will not like if u start to hate Islam by spreading anti Islamic video(in common man views) people love Islam so u r showing on social media and playing with common man s emotions.

It is like there is so many porn movies so shall I play porn movie on PTV to show the people what is going wrong in world In the same way if u find the insult of Islam u must not spread that video. I know u understand these things better but Sharif family may paid u to insult the political rival . Indeed this is the only aim of this video on social media .. As title shows the political motive of putting video here
[h=2]"""Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?"""" I request u ask ur Sharif boos should find other way rather than to play with Muslim sentiments by showing our political rival is insulting Islam.. By that in fact u are Abusing Islam for politics [/h]
 

humair

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

Binmahmood meri dua hai k Allah apko hadayat de aur Salman Ahmed samait hum sub ko bhi!
Apko es liye k you're trying to affiliate something with PTI which in essence has no connection, this reflects very low of you. This is an old video of people who know not much about Islam, Allah knows better what's the current status of these people's belief, by the way Quran teaches us like any other issues about the sex and sexual matters as well, so how we perceive/understand Quran it all depends on our EEMAAN.
 

Mojo-jojo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Following PTI - What About Being Muslim?

We have an office tomorrow and aap jaisai Khar Maghaz k mathai lagna waisa hi hai jaisai Oont (camel) ko Rikshaw main bithana
I think I gave you a good piece of my mind and it seems to have worked. Before you go to bed ask yourself --- does it serve you any purpose to have so much hatred in your mind. Try little bit compassion and empathy towards others. It will heal you quite a bit but


آئیندہ اگر اس فارم پر پھر زہر اگلنے کی کوشش کی تو ایسا ہی جواب ملے گا جس سے کہ لگتا ہے کہ آپ کی طبیعت کچھ بحال ہوئی ہے
 
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jazbati

MPA (400+ posts)
Yeh thread jaan boojh kar aik well planned tareekhe se baar baar active kia jaraha he. Khud Salman Ahmed http://tribune.com.pk/story/36621/do-not-judge-me-on-15-seconds/ article me bata chuka he jo ke dosre bhaion ne bataya he. Bawajood iske ke Salman ko yeh nahi kehna chahie tha, yeh bhi nahi kaha jaskta ke woh bura musalman he ya usne jaan boojh ke aesa kia. Noon League wale is thread ko use karke kisi aochi harkat karna chahte hain.

Admin, kindly delete the thread is se pehle ke log bilawaje gumrah hoon. Apki sites ko log ghalat matlab kelie use kar rahe hain aur iska gunah ap par hoga agar ap durust action nahi lete. Is thread se bus logon ka zehan ghalat sochne par majboor horaha he aur iska koi hasil wasool nahi he. Hum apas me kia behas karain, jis ko aitraz he woh Salman Ahmed se discuss kare because wohi batasakta he ki uski rai kia thi.
 

LovelyVirus

Senator (1k+ posts)
I despise this mullah/sheep brigade banging about petty/non issues. Theyhave no idea in how many ways the term 'sexy' can be used both positively and negatively. However I bet majority of this mullah brigade is most of the time busy searching some 'sexy' stuff in google to fulfil their lust, yet they come out with sticks against those who used a modern term to represent the attractiveness of our religion. Dumb wits!
 

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