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[FaisalKh]

Everyone know what is NRO? Only idiot and dumb don't know what is NRO?

And even you Master Mushi declared it as the biggest Blunder but blinds like you know consider it.

Exactly Musharraf has mentioned at so many places that NRO was his biggest blunder/mistake but blind and deaf cant see and listen like u said...

 

[monh zorr]

میرے خیال میں مشرف کو نہ اسکی انا واپس لائی ہے اور اس ملک کی محبت،اسکو اپنے ان مالکان کا حکم واپس لایا ہے،جنکے اشارے پر یہ اس ملک کو برباد کرتا رہا، فوج کی ملازمت میں بھی اور پھر پاکستان کا آئین توڑ کر، ملک پر قبضہ کرکے امریکہ کی جنگ لڑتے ہوئے بھی، پاکستانیوں کا نہیں بھولنا چاہیے کہ غدار کبھی وفادار نہیں بن سکتا،، اسکے ساتھ، عدالت عالیہ میں بیٹھے وہ لوگ جنہوں نے اسکی غداری کو سرٹیفیکٹ دے کر ملک کو برباد کرآیا ،،برابر کے شریک سمجھنا چاہیے
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[abdlsy]

There is an evolution process that goes on with people - their thinking and ways. We, unfortunately, have stopped evolving and in fact are devolving.

Corruption is a problem the world over but people and societies realize that its not fair for some to commit corruption and install rules and accountability against corruption. Do people still do corruption, the plain and simple answer is a big yes. But should we just give up. Pakistan
and its people is like any other country. Up until Zia took over there was a sense of fear of law and its long arms. Zia and his martial law installed a kind of law of the jungle in this land. Once we started losing all sense of accountability then everything went downhill from there.

I am not sure what do mean by a decent mussalmaan. How am I being too judgemental?

Decent muslammann! you exactly KNOW what I mean, all these protocol do not work with muslims they are too frustrated confused by their religion because never bother to understand sadly , then illiteracy rate so high, so list goes on, evolutionary process needed but look around you amongst us no way, right now a HUGE HUGE dundaaad needed, so out of control society.(bigsmile)

 

[Nice2MU]

Here is your master Imran Khan initiating and supporting NRO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOsRcdCOtRw

Did IK mention that he is supporting NRO? NRO was not for Nawaz Sharif? Coming of any body to Pakistan is nothing to do with NRO Mr Genius.

By NRO, Mushi waived off all the cases of Benazir and Zardari and due to this NRO, Zardari was able to contest Presidential elections otherwise he would be declared disqualified.

 

[Adnan Rana Apml]

Let me tell u about my background first then u r free whatever u say and for ur reference u can confirm it from my previous posts if u want...

I was a die hard supporter of pml n when they won with majority in 1996 elections (not sure about exact year but u would understand what i want to say) and hoped that he will do something good for the country with that everything he had in hand but he failed miserably and left the country in misery... Then when Musharraf threw him out of the country and i saw his performance as Chief Executive I had my support with him and supported his marshal law everywhere i could becoz Pakistan was progressing and every institution was working properly. But then he had lust to remain in power at any cost and joined hands with status co and corrupts like pml q and it was his decline...

Musharraf has done many good things but it has been shadowed by what he did in return to this country and its people... Forget about 9/11 as everybody said at that time that it was need of the time becoz i heard his address to the nation live when he said that if we dont join hands with amreeka they will attack us. Now i leave it up to u to decide what amreeka has done to Iran when they did not help them in their so called war on terror. Now i have said this on many occasions that I heard it long ago after 9/11 that one by one all the Muslim countries will fall to these crooks. First will be iraq then Iran and then Pakistan but seems like Pakistan has moved on to number 2 now. Attack on Afghanistan was just an excuse, all the game has been planned for Pakistan and Iran for many obvious reasons. Commando showed his cowardliness by bowing to pressure of international powers and internal traitors. I remember how before coming to Pakistan every traitor like NS and Benazir Bhutto started visiting washington and london. U can check the history. If musharraf had guts, he would have sacrificed his life than imposing that jinx in the form of NRO where looters and criminals walked away free nd now nation is paying the price.

U mentioned a very good thing that it is the intention that counts but let me tell u one thing that if ur intention is true then Allah will surely help u. Now u tell me how Iran handled 9/11? (Plz do not start against me that i m shia or sunni or whatever )

Now let me tell u why i support Imran Khan and PTI. Because there is no other choice there is no body worthy to trust upon and be fooled again. I tell u one thing i trust IK becoz i have seen him for the past 15 years where he never compromised and accept his mistakes if any openly. I trust him that he will lead us like a true leader but i tell u again that he later became like Musharraf or Bhagora nawaz then i will write the same lines like i write against the opportunists and u know who they are...

Musharraf had enjoyed 10 long years and if u count his good things against his bad one u will be ashamed of calling him a brave leader. A brave leader live with his nation and die with his people not like enjoy lavish life elsewhere and then when there is a good time comes back and enjoy the party. There is a long list but I specifically mention NRO because i m the one among all the nations effected by his blunder and atrocity.

Please dont think of me as immature emotional fool. I am old and mature enough to look at things, think about it nd then make analysis... and last but not the least i m not a party or personality worshiper but i love my country and those who did bad to this great country deserve the right punishment be anyone...

I agree with most of what you said. My family were long time PPP supporters, but I have/had been Imran Khan supporter from day one. I saw hope in him, but he has not achieved much politically in 17 years. I have been disappointed election after election. I started supporting Musharraf after he resigned, and when I asked my self a question that he is a dictator so why resign and leave peacefully. Also I listened to his resignation speech where he mentioned his achievements. I didn't believe in any of his achievements at the time (except Karachi where I witnessed them with my own eyes), so I started investigating all his claims. I checked poverty records, GDP, KSE, debt, literacy, foreign investment, and everything else. And then realized his intention was good and the country did well economically, which is a good step towards progression. OK some of his decisions were questionable.

Musharraf has always liked Imran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7EUy_WyWB4&list=FLu5ApwFXOj1S29T2BuOD4jg&index=92). His only reason for creating APML is to break the status quo, and he doesn't feel that Imran can do it alone. Imran may even boycott the elections if things don't go right for him, and leave us with Zardari and Nawaz. APML's main goal is to gather the dispersed support and ensure they don't go towards Zardari and Nawaz. Musharraf has offered many times to help Imran, but him and his party have been adamant that they don't need help, and especially from Musharraf. Musharraf has created a party before in very short time and won the election with them, so he knows how to do it. Seriously the way things are going we should be expecting Nawaz to win the elections. Or should like minded groups (anti status quo) join hands (seat adjustment) to ensure that he doesn't win. PTI don't like to talk about seat adjustment because they are sure they will win every single seat or at least get majority. If seat adjustment is not done then then like minded parties may share majority of the votes, resulting in PPP or PML-N taking the seat with most votes. THE ONLY THING WE WANT IS FOR THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN TO NOT VOTE FOR PPP & PML-N.

 

[Adnan Rana Apml]

Did IK mention that he is supporting NRO? NRO was not for Nawaz Sharif? Coming of any body to Pakistan is nothing to do with NRO Mr Genius.

By NRO, Mushi waived off all the cases of Benazir and Zardari and due to this NRO, Zardari was able to contest Presidential elections otherwise he would be declared disqualified.

IK was asking for BB and other politicians to return, and without NRO it wouldn't have been possible. Imagine if BB hadn't come and PML-Q won the elections, would IK and media have accepted that? Also if Benazir hadn't got her self killed then we wouldn't have had Zardari. I don't think even PPP would have won the elections. It's really simple that People of Pakistan elected parliament members, and parliament elected president. This is democracy, which is what we have, so why complain.

 

[FaisalKh]

I agree with most of what you said. My family were long time PPP supporters, but I have/had been Imran Khan supporter from day one. I saw hope in him, but he has not achieved much politically in 17 years. I have been disappointed election after election. I started supporting Musharraf after he resigned, and when I asked my self a question that he is a dictator so why resign and leave peacefully. Also I listened to his resignation speech where he mentioned his achievements. I didn't believe in any of his achievements at the time (except Karachi where I witnessed them with my own eyes), so I started investigating all his claims. I checked poverty records, GDP, KSE, debt, literacy, foreign investment, and everything else. And then realized his intention was good and the country did well economically, which is a good step towards progression. OK some of his decisions were questionable.

Musharraf has always liked Imran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7EUy_WyWB4&list=FLu5ApwFXOj1S29T2BuOD4jg&index=92). His only reason for creating APML is to break the status quo, and he doesn't feel that Imran can do it alone. Imran may even boycott the elections if things don't go right for him, and leave us with Zardari and Nawaz. APML's main goal is to gather the dispersed support and ensure they don't go towards Zardari and Nawaz. Musharraf has offered many times to help Imran, but him and his party have been adamant that they don't need help, and especially from Musharraf. Musharraf has created a party before in very short time and won the election with them, so he knows how to do it. Seriously the way things are going we should be expecting Nawaz to win the elections. Or should like minded groups (anti status quo) join hands (seat adjustment) to ensure that he doesn't win. PTI don't like to talk about seat adjustment because they are sure they will win every single seat or at least get majority. If seat adjustment is not done then then like minded parties may share majority of the votes, resulting in PPP or PML-N taking the seat with most votes. THE ONLY THING WE WANT IS FOR THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN TO NOT VOTE FOR PPP & PML-N.

If Imran does seat adjusment with the other status quo parties like anp mqm then what would be the difference in PTI and other opportunist parties. Imran Khan has been struggling becoz of our mindset of personality worship and we look at nothing else.

U told me many things about Mush which i do not deny but let me add u one thing that majority of what u mentioned he achieved while he was CE. Like i said in my previous post he destroyed his image becoz of pml q. Mark my words, APML is going to make alliance with PML N becoz their friend is same, they both were briefed by saudia u can see that in the news.

U need to look the real definition of a true leader. U can ask someone else that when lets say for example u r head of an organization, u take it to the peak with ur hardwork and then lets say after a while that organization is struggling becoz of ur bad policies and decision and when u leave it in that situation, nobody is going to acknowledge everything good u did for its success. A true leader will fight till end to leave gracefully not run like Musharraf did when he was double crossed by ppp and pml n in 2008. U watch the movie skyfall and u will see a true leadership there (though it is a movie but u will get how someone prefers to fight till death and die than forced to resign and leave everything mess for others).

U need to look at Javed Hashmi, Afaq Ahmed khwaja saad rafique of pmln and many others where their top leaders enjoyed self imposed exile and some of them signed deals and enjoyed all the luxuries of life outside Pakistan while those i mentioned above suffered all the atrocities in jail. These are true leaders and they faced all the hardships. I would have some respect left for Mush if he had preferred to face the courts and all the status quo and not run away becoz u know what is the term used for such kind of person (Bhagora which is like a gaaali for many people)

Please read about nelson Mandela who is a true example of struggle or even read the history of our independence we did not get it in months or few years it took almost half a century. The roots of this status co is much deeper and Imran Khan's 16 years of struggle is paying back which u can see now on this forum where more than 90% of supporters belong to PTI and it is not becoz of Imran Khan but his reputation,his struggle, hardworking and patriotism. If u say u left support of IK becoz he could not achieve what was needed in 16 years then it is very unfortunate.

 

[Nice2MU]

IK was asking for BB and other politicians to return, and without NRO it wouldn't have been possible. Imagine if BB hadn't come and PML-Q won the elections, would IK and media have accepted that? Also if Benazir hadn't got her self killed then we wouldn't have had Zardari. I don't think even PPP would have won the elections. It's really simple that People of Pakistan elected parliament members, and parliament elected president. This is democracy, which is what we have, so why complain.

Only this one statement shows your level of information and understanding of Politics.

No body had kicked BB out of Pakistan. She went there by her own and she could come any time. 2ndly I am talking about Zardari Looter Not about BB.

Addition to that why Mushi all of sudden started negotiation with BB? What could BB do for Mushi which Q-League couldn't do it? I think Q-League was more flexible than BB but why Mushi wanted BB in Pakistan? Think on it and then reply if you know?

 

[Adnan Rana Apml]

Only this one statement shows your level of information and understanding of Politics.

No body had kicked BB out of Pakistan. She went there by her own and she could come any time. 2ndly I am talking about Zardari Looter Not about BB.

Addition to that why Mushi all of sudden started negotiation with BB? What could BB do for Mushi which Q-League couldn't do it? I think Q-League was more flexible than BB but why Mushi wanted BB in Pakistan? Think on it and then reply if you know?

Your fist sentence sums it up for me. Unfortunately PTI supports always end discussions with insults. Good luck.

 

[Nice2MU]

Your fist sentence sums it up for me. Unfortunately PTI supports always end discussions with insults. Good luck.

I just brought your attention toward your ill information. If you have no info about any matter then it is better to no discuss.

And who have no answer for reality questions, he/she gives the same excuses as you did.

 

[Fursan]

 

[Pakola Khi]

کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

 

[barca]

Re: کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

;)اگر مشرف مرا تو قربانی کیانی کے کام اے گی سیدھا ای مارشل لا ​

 

[Raaz]

Re: کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

پہنچو طالبان ، جلدی سے ، تاریخ نے تمہیں دوبارہ قتل کے لئے بلایا ہے
;)

 

[Sedqal]

Re: کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

I hate that man but no more murders please. Punish this man through court trail

 

[Sedqal]

Re: کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

;)اگر مشرف مرا تو قربانی کیانی کے کام اے گی سیدھا ای مارشل لا ​

Barca jee kuch ho jaey ab kay Army hakoomat nahi gira sakti

 

[Raaz]

Re: کیا تاریخ خود کو دھرا رہی ہے؟

;)اگر مشرف مرا تو قربانی کیانی کے کام اے گی سیدھا ای مارشل لا ​

امریکہ نے شاید اسی لئے اس بجو کو بھجوایا ہو گا ، ادھر کیانی بھی کیری کو ملنے گیا ہے ....کہ چک دے پھٹے
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[gottiII]

Everyone know what is NRO? Only idiot and dumb don't know what is NRO?

And even you Master Mushi declared it as the biggest Blunder but blinds like you don't consider it.

I was banned, so I didn't get to respond to your personal, benign and unoffensive comments. My response in the same regard would be demeaning and would require another ban. I want to remain unbanned for at least a couple more days so I will ignore what you said.

If we go by what you're saying, does that mean the current system of governance is illegal in that it was initiated by an NRO, which means the elections that your party is planning to take part in would be conducted by an illegal government and it's extensions?

Which would mean you shouldn't take part in them or even support this system?

If I confused you, just answer this much.

Should there have been this government and should there have been democracy despite it being initiated by an NRO?

 

[gottiII]

Jo Qur'an kay saaye main aaye, woh in logon ko kaisay bardaasht ho sakta hai?

Inko to sirf bivi kay jahaiz aur Bhutto ka saya hi qabool hai

 

[Nice2MU]

I was banned, so I didn't get to respond to your personal, benign and unoffensive comments. My response in the same regard would be demeaning and would require another ban. I want to remain unbanned for at least a couple more days so I will ignore what you said.

If we go by what you're saying, does that mean the current system of governance is illegal in that it was initiated by an NRO, which means the elections that your party is planning to take part in would be conducted by an illegal government and it's extensions?

Which would mean you shouldn't take part in them or even support this system?

If I confused you, just answer this much.

Should there have been this government and should there have been democracy despite it being initiated by an NRO?

First justify the issuance of NRO by MUSHI then I will answer your question as well.

My harsh response was for your first non-sense reply. So be careful before in future.