غامدی اور مرزا غلام احمد صاحب کے عیسٰی علیہ سلام کے بارے میں غلط نظریات کا علمی جواب
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har baat ki apni jaga aik ehmiyat hai magar sirf aur sirf apne apne maqaam per aik khaas tanaazur main. is baat ko har aik ke liye achhi tarah samajhna laazmi hai.
deene islam main haqaaiq ka apna maqaam hai, wahee ka apna, hadees ka apna, tareekh ka apna waghera waghera.
deene islam ki har aik source ko hamesha haqaaiq ki roshni main hi dekha jaaye ga warna un ke baare main drust nataaij per pohnchna naamumkin hai.
yeh baat kehna keh hadees ko quran ki roshni main dekha jaaye ga kaafi nahin hai is liye keh mantaqi tasalsul ka taqaaza yeh hai mutalqa tamaam cheezun ko joda jaaye tasalsul ke saath baghair kisi tootphoot yaa tazaad ke. yahee wajah hai har aik deene islam ki source ko haqaaiq ki roshni main dekha jaaye ga. quraan aur deegar sources main farq yeh hai quraan aik hi mukammal kitaab hai jis main sab ki sab ayaat payee jaati hen magar hadees ki koi aik kitaab bhi mukammal hadees nahin kehlaa sakti kyunkeh us ke bahir bhi hadeesen milti hen aur mojood hen. yahee maamla kutbe taareekh waghera ka hai. aisi kitaaben her likhne waale ne apni apni had tak likhi hen.
yahee wajah hai kisi bhi kitaab ko quraan se mwaazna nahin kiya jaa sakta. quraan is baat ka taqaaza karta hai is ko aik hi mukammal kitaab ke lihaaz se samjha jaaye. yahee wajah hai quraan ki her tafseer naaqis hai jis main aham baaten nazar andaaz ker di gayee hun yaa us main tazadaat paaye jaate hun. yahee nahin aisi her tojeeho taaweel quraan ki baatil hai jo thos haqaaiq yaa mantaqi tasalsul se mutasaadum ho. jab tak log is level per baatun ko soch nahin sakte woh deene islam ko saheeh tor per samajh hi nahin sakte. lihaaza logoon ko in baatun per khoob mehnat kerni chahiye agar woh sache dil se deene islam ko theek tarah se samajh ker us per poori imaandaari se amal kerna chhate hen.
deene islam main haqaaiq ka apna maqaam hai, wahee ka apna, hadees ka apna, tareekh ka apna waghera waghera.
deene islam ki har aik source ko hamesha haqaaiq ki roshni main hi dekha jaaye ga warna un ke baare main drust nataaij per pohnchna naamumkin hai.
yeh baat kehna keh hadees ko quran ki roshni main dekha jaaye ga kaafi nahin hai is liye keh mantaqi tasalsul ka taqaaza yeh hai mutalqa tamaam cheezun ko joda jaaye tasalsul ke saath baghair kisi tootphoot yaa tazaad ke. yahee wajah hai har aik deene islam ki source ko haqaaiq ki roshni main dekha jaaye ga. quraan aur deegar sources main farq yeh hai quraan aik hi mukammal kitaab hai jis main sab ki sab ayaat payee jaati hen magar hadees ki koi aik kitaab bhi mukammal hadees nahin kehlaa sakti kyunkeh us ke bahir bhi hadeesen milti hen aur mojood hen. yahee maamla kutbe taareekh waghera ka hai. aisi kitaaben her likhne waale ne apni apni had tak likhi hen.
yahee wajah hai kisi bhi kitaab ko quraan se mwaazna nahin kiya jaa sakta. quraan is baat ka taqaaza karta hai is ko aik hi mukammal kitaab ke lihaaz se samjha jaaye. yahee wajah hai quraan ki her tafseer naaqis hai jis main aham baaten nazar andaaz ker di gayee hun yaa us main tazadaat paaye jaate hun. yahee nahin aisi her tojeeho taaweel quraan ki baatil hai jo thos haqaaiq yaa mantaqi tasalsul se mutasaadum ho. jab tak log is level per baatun ko soch nahin sakte woh deene islam ko saheeh tor per samajh hi nahin sakte. lihaaza logoon ko in baatun per khoob mehnat kerni chahiye agar woh sache dil se deene islam ko theek tarah se samajh ker us per poori imaandaari se amal kerna chhate hen.
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Khan Sab
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Janab ap ne kha mukha ki taqreer ker di meri bat oper dobara perhen. Men ne kaha k koi bhi bat jis ko log Deen bta rahe hon us ko pehle Quran r phr sahih hadees ki roshni men perkha jaey ga, Sahih Hadees ko Quran ki roshni men nai dekha ya perkha jaey ga. Kiun k Quran r Sahih Ahadees apas men nai takratin kabi bhi. Quran bhi theek r Sahih Hadees bhi theek, Doono deen han. Quran r Sahih Hadees men koi muqabla,Takrao r mawazna nai r na men ne aesa kaha. Mawazna koi nai ker raha bas jo sahih ha wo sahih ha. Sahih Hadees ka mafhoom ya base ager Quran men nai bhi ha to bhi Hadees ko mana jaey ga kiun k sahih hadees k mafhoom se Quran kabi takrata hi nai ha. Aese log Allah ne is ummat men peda kiye the r kerta rahe ga jo Ahadees men sahih r zaeef ki pehchan rakhte han r Zaeef ya Mangharat Ahadees ko Sahih se Alag kerte han. In short Allah ne pora Sahih Asal deen hi Qayamat tak qaim rakhna ha Hujat tamam kerne k liye aesa nai ho sakta k deen ka kuch hisa ghaib ho jaey, kahin gum ho jaey r Ummat mehroom ho jaey, Phr hujat tamam hi nai ho sakti. So kisi fard e wahid jese Ghamidi ya Pervez sahb ki bajaey Ijmaa e ummat r itefaq e ummat ko mana jaey ga r in ka rad kia jaey ga. Jin Ahadees ko ummat ne sahih mana ha unka mafhoom ya base quran men ho ya na ho unko mana jaey ga.
Anyway Ap k hazrat Pervez sahb to khulam khula hadees k munkar the i think, Ghamidi sab ki tarah chupe hoe nai the So ap se behs nai kerni Ap k hazrat ka zamana guzar gaya. Jo Aj mojood han un ko expose kerna zaroori ha
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It is very important for people who claim to be muslims to ask themselves whether islam is a deen or mazhab. The answer to this question cannot be found by people unless they ask themselves what they really want from God and why.
The question is, can islam as a mazhab give people what they need to live in this world ie a blissful, dignified and secure existence? The answer is a clear cut no. Mazhab is nothing more than pooja paat whereby people due to their imaginary ideas about God flatter God and ask for favours. Purpose of God for creating this world and people in it does not come into it as far as they are concerned. This is why islam is not a mazhab but addeen. This is why there is always discussion between people who claim to be muslims whether mazhab has anything to do with society or politics or economics. It is because people want to live in this world the way they want so they want to keep God out of all that is important for humanity as a whole. By doing so humanity has fallen into state of disgrace throughout the world by doing all they can to each other against the revealed advice of God.
God created people more or less advantaged compared to each other so that they complement each other as a proper human community based upon revealed guidance of God but instead each advantaged person is busy trying to figure out how to take undue advantage of others who are less advantaged than him or her self. The result is the world we have in front of our eyes.
The only way for mending the wrongs in this world is knowing deene islam properly and following it faithfully. It is because deen of islam is basically all about a proper human society, its proper politics and economics. These are the things which can either turn the world into a hell hole or a paradise for humanity. This is why mullahs are hired or funded by those forces which want to keep the world the way it is by keeping the way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other alive instead of revealed way of life that can lead humanity to blissful, dignified and secure existence in this world. This is why mullahs have turned all deen of islam terminology into mazhab of islam terminology. This is why ummah has become totally confused about the message in the quran. Unless people rediscover the actual deen of islam terminology there is no way people can change the world for what it is supposed to be. Mullahs of bani israeel are called donkeys with books on their backs why? Because they had books of God with them but did not bother to discover the actual messages of God for them to act upon them properly. They also thought deen of islam was all about pooja paat that had nothing at all to do with society or its politics or economics. This is why the more advantaged amongst bani israeel took undue advantage of the less advantaged amongst them and so they were taken over by outsiders whop made them suffer terribly. Is this not what is happening to people who claim to be muslims all over the world? So when are we going to learn sense to be a sensible people? This is why people need to read what I have explained to be able to understand what is going on in this world in its proper context. If they will not then they will keep on suffering terribly just like bani israeel by hands of each other as well as outsiders. Mullahs and their followers have no solutions to solve problems that are facing this ummah and the rest of humanity because they have no idea what the actual message of the quran is for humanity. If people want to continue this painful suffering for themselves then that is up to them as individuals but if they want to end it and have a great life then they cannot effort to ignore to know what the actual message of the quran is for them.
The question is, can islam as a mazhab give people what they need to live in this world ie a blissful, dignified and secure existence? The answer is a clear cut no. Mazhab is nothing more than pooja paat whereby people due to their imaginary ideas about God flatter God and ask for favours. Purpose of God for creating this world and people in it does not come into it as far as they are concerned. This is why islam is not a mazhab but addeen. This is why there is always discussion between people who claim to be muslims whether mazhab has anything to do with society or politics or economics. It is because people want to live in this world the way they want so they want to keep God out of all that is important for humanity as a whole. By doing so humanity has fallen into state of disgrace throughout the world by doing all they can to each other against the revealed advice of God.
God created people more or less advantaged compared to each other so that they complement each other as a proper human community based upon revealed guidance of God but instead each advantaged person is busy trying to figure out how to take undue advantage of others who are less advantaged than him or her self. The result is the world we have in front of our eyes.
The only way for mending the wrongs in this world is knowing deene islam properly and following it faithfully. It is because deen of islam is basically all about a proper human society, its proper politics and economics. These are the things which can either turn the world into a hell hole or a paradise for humanity. This is why mullahs are hired or funded by those forces which want to keep the world the way it is by keeping the way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other alive instead of revealed way of life that can lead humanity to blissful, dignified and secure existence in this world. This is why mullahs have turned all deen of islam terminology into mazhab of islam terminology. This is why ummah has become totally confused about the message in the quran. Unless people rediscover the actual deen of islam terminology there is no way people can change the world for what it is supposed to be. Mullahs of bani israeel are called donkeys with books on their backs why? Because they had books of God with them but did not bother to discover the actual messages of God for them to act upon them properly. They also thought deen of islam was all about pooja paat that had nothing at all to do with society or its politics or economics. This is why the more advantaged amongst bani israeel took undue advantage of the less advantaged amongst them and so they were taken over by outsiders whop made them suffer terribly. Is this not what is happening to people who claim to be muslims all over the world? So when are we going to learn sense to be a sensible people? This is why people need to read what I have explained to be able to understand what is going on in this world in its proper context. If they will not then they will keep on suffering terribly just like bani israeel by hands of each other as well as outsiders. Mullahs and their followers have no solutions to solve problems that are facing this ummah and the rest of humanity because they have no idea what the actual message of the quran is for humanity. If people want to continue this painful suffering for themselves then that is up to them as individuals but if they want to end it and have a great life then they cannot effort to ignore to know what the actual message of the quran is for them.
azeezam khan sab, I explain the way which can help people come to know the actual message in the quran for humanity. It is up to individuals to find out if what I explain works or not. For you too I suggest that you study things and learn and come to realise the truth by yourself. There is no point in pushing nonsense of mullahs because mullahs have little or no idea what actual deen of islam is. One needs sense of making proper sense of things to make informed judgements about things. Mullahs do not learn sense of making proper sense of things. They are blind followers of each other like sheep and they are really good at it. You can know what I have explained by reading what I have written and then see if you can come up with something yet better. You say you want to expose falsehood but how can you if you are not bothered with knowing what the actual truth may be?
You suggest that we all stick together but you have no idea on what basis. This is where comes in my work on the quran and deen of islam. I explain in detail the very basis upon which people can unite and have peaceful existence by making progress to be prosperous in this world. See my first post in this thread and see if you or any of your molvies can prove wrong what I said. Not you and your molvies but anyone at all belonging to any religion. My way of knowing things is very different from a lot of people in this world. You can come to know that by going through what I have explained. I am not a blind followers of others as you are. If you want to discover truth for yourself then learn from everyone and everything you can and then make sense of things the best you can. You cannot include or exclude anything in or from anything on whims or nonsense of others. So I suggest you have an open mind that includes or excludes things on basis of solid facts and solid reasoning or consistent rationality. If you will do that then you will go a very long way ie much beyond me.
God bless you with all the best.
تو کیا آپ اپنے فرقےکے بارے میں یہ نہیں کہتے ہیں کہ آ پ لوگ حق پر ہیں
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