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Khan Sab

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Source : (You can read It Online here)
https://archive.org/stream/MUJALLAH...FITNA-E-GHAMDI NUMBER VOL 01#page/n0/mode/1up

Video 1, Including Waqiya e Meraj


Video 2

 
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Wake up Pak

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aray doo numbri mullah hay yeh . Hazrat esaa has passed away and he will not come back. keep on dreaming and waiting......Mullah have hijacked the deen and they have misguided the masses.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
jab bhi kisi ko drust yaa ghalat saabit karne ki baat ho gi to logic aur consistency darmiyan main aayen ge. yahee wajah hai ehle ilm ke haan quraan aur deene islam ko consistent maana jaata hai. yahee quraan ka apna dawaa bhi hai keh yeh logically consistent hai.

jab tak log quran aur deene islam ke maqaasid ko samjhne ki koshish nahin karen ge woh confused hi rahen ge aur aisi baatun main panah dhoondhen ge jin ki koi bunyaad hi nahin hai.

yahee wajah hai hindu aur isaee hazraat khudaa ke baare main yeh kehte hen woh insaan ban kar duniya main insaanu ke saath rahaa. isi tarah log yeh bhi maante aa rahe hen khudaa ne logoon ko bahot se mojzaat dikhaaye hen khud ko manwaane ke liye. yeh sab baaten bebunyaad aur mangharat hen.

na khudaa ko is duniya main insaan ban ker aane ki zaroorat thi na us tarah ke mojzaat dikhaane ki jo logoon ne apni kam aqli ki wajah se khudaa ki taraf mansoob kiye huwe hen. khudaa ne do kaam kiye hen apne wajood per daleel qaaim karne ke liye. aik takhleeqe kaainaat aur doosra insaanu ke liye wahee ka nazool. is ke siwaa khudaa ne kabhi koi khawaarqe aadat kaam nahin kiya kyunkeh us ko aisa karne ki kabhi zaroorat hi na thi.

logoon ko khud se do sawalaat poochhne ki zaroorat hai. aik yeh keh kia aaj log khudaa ko is liye maan rahen hen keh woh un ke darmiyaan insaani shakal main mojood hai? doosra kia woh khudaa ko is liye maan rahen hen kyunkeh unhune khudaa ke waise mojizaat dekhe hen jis tarah ke mojzaat ke wajood ko woh maante chale aa rahe hen? agar aisa nahin hai aur yaqeenan nahin hai to phir khudaa per tarah tarah ke jhoot baandhne ki kia zaroorat hai?

khudaa ko log jaise pehle maante the us ke paighaam ki wajah se waise hi aaj bhi maan rahen hen. khudaa ke wajood per aqli dalaail hen aur yahee asal dalaail hen. logoon ko chahiye woh in dalaail ko samajhne ki khud main ehliyat peda karen taa keh apni apni jahaalat se nikal saken aur khudaa per jhoot bandhne se bach saken.

For a detailed explanation of things see HERE, HERE andHERE and HERE.
 
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dangerous tears

Senator (1k+ posts)
رد قادنیت ۔رد شیعت رد بریلویت۔رد دویبندیت کے بعد پیش خدمت ہے
مجاہدین اسلام کی ایک اور فخریہ پیشکش
رد غامدیت ۔۔فتتہ غامدیت
ویسے ان مولانا صاحب کی خدمت میں میری طرف سے ایک کتاب تحفے میں دیدیجے گا جس کا نام ہے
رد لاوڈ سپیکر۔
 

khalid100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother in your introduction you have alleged Ghamdi with the following:
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Do you have any proof of the allegation? Thats a big allegation and mind it that you will be answerable to Allah for anything you say about someone.
Google Ghamdi's views about Hadith and how he values it. He has taught Hadith himself and he has clearly mentioned so many times that he is very careful in doing research on Hadith and once it is established it is a sahih Hadith i.e the words of the Prophet (PBUH), then if you deny it then you are out of Islam. Also you have tried to draw similarities between him and Qadyanis. I have observed him to be one of the best people to respond to Qadyani in a polite and logical manner(unlike people have abusive attitude). Humble request to google Ghamdi's views on Hadith and make up your mind.
Following short video by someone who had same views about Ghamdi and what they think now.


May Allah guide all on the right path...ameen.
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
PLEASE also watch this video


Sir bat wohi A jati ha k Daleelen to Khawarij bhi Quran se dete the lakin Quran ka mafhoom wo mana jaey ga jo Hadees se bhi sabit ha r jo Sahaba samjhe r bad k 1400 saal men ane wali muslim ummat ne us pe ijmaa r itefaq kia.

Ilmi dalail to Ap k Hazraat ko Ullama dete hi rehte han Oper men ne bhi pesh kiye han but ager Ek Aam admi k tor pe dekha jaey r Ap k Hazrat ki bat mani jaey to Phr kam se kam Teen baten hon gi

1 Quran khud hi apas men takra raha ha cz oper men ne bhi sab Quran se hi hawale pesh kiye han. R aesa to ho nai sakta cz Quran Allah ka kalam ha kisi insan ka nai

2 Sahih Ahadees bhi Quran se Takra rahi han R ye bhi mumkin nai cz Hadees Allah k nabi ka Kalam ha r wo Quran ko Ap r Ap k Hazrat se behter jante the, Nai?

3 Ap k Hazrat Mirza Sab ki Amad se pehle ki sari Muslim Ummat bhi Quran se takra rai ha jin men sahaba,tabieen,taba tabieen,Aaima sab shamil han, matlab wo sab jahil the Quran un ki samajh men nai aya 1400 saal tak wo sab gumrah hi rahe. And ye bhi mumkin nai cz Quran to wohi ha 1400 saal pehle wala Naya Quran to utra nai r I Think Ap k Hazrat ne bhi naya Quran introduce nai karaya to phr wo sab Arab the,Arbi bolte the r Ap k Hazrat se kahin ziada Arbi ki Lughat r Qawaid se waqif bhi the

So In short Itni Muslim Ummat to Gumrah r Ghalat nai ho sakti but definitely Ap k Hazrat 100% Gumrah r Ghalat zaroor han. Kher ye to ek chota mamla ha Ap k Hazrat ne to seedha seedha Nabuwat ka hi dawa ker dia tha r us ki behs pe Youtube, Google bhara para ha sach janne k liye kafi ha

Is wajah se mere bhai men ap ko apna Insani tor pe bhai keh sakta hun Ap se Muhabt ker sakta hun Hamdardi ker sakta hun but Ap ko muslim nai keh sakta, Yahan men Ap se mazrat karun ga. Regards
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
رد قادنیت ۔رد شیعت رد بریلویت۔رد دویبندیت کے بعد پیش خدمت ہے
مجاہدین اسلام کی ایک اور فخریہ پیشکش
رد غامدیت ۔۔فتتہ غامدیت
ویسے ان مولانا صاحب کی خدمت میں میری طرف سے ایک کتاب تحفے میں دیدیجے گا جس کا نام ہے
رد لاوڈ سپیکر۔

Ap her chez ka Rad ker sakte han lakin Ap Haq r Sach ko Rad nahin ker sakte wo Hamesha Roz e Roshan ki tarah waze hi Rahe ga Ager koi Hidayat Mangne r Man'ne wala ho to r Haq mojood rahe ga,Allah ne us ko chupa k nahin rakha Hujat tamam kerne k liye
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
Brother in your introduction you have alleged Ghamdi with the following:
[FONT=&amp]????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????[/FONT]

Do you have any proof of the allegation? Thats a big allegation and mind it that you will be answerable to Allah for anything you say about someone.
Google Ghamdi's views about Hadith and how he values it. He has taught Hadith himself and he has clearly mentioned so many times that he is very careful in doing research on Hadith and once it is established it is a sahih Hadith i.e the words of the Prophet (PBUH), then if you deny it then you are out of Islam. Also you have tried to draw similarities between him and Qadyanis. I have observed him to be one of the best people to respond to Qadyani in a polite and logical manner(unlike people have abusive attitude). Humble request to google Ghamdi's views on Hadith and make up your mind.
Following short video by someone who had same views about Ghamdi and what they think now.


May Allah guide all on the right path...ameen.

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthr...!-Maulana-Tariq-Jameel&highlight=hadees+inkar

Janab men is thread pe kafi behs ker chuka hun Ghamidi Sahb k hawale se r ap ne bhi ye thread dekha ha So men Ghamidi sahab k nazriyat k mutalik takreebn Takreebn jan hi chuka hun. Unka hadees ka inkar to saf zahir ha cz Jab wo Hazrat Eisa A.S ki zinda hone r wapas lotne ki Mutawatir Sahih Ahadees ko bhi Nai mante to phr kia bachta ha Hadees k Inkar k liye r Un ke is mamle men Gumrah r Ghalat hone k liye?

Qadiyanion ka is liye mention kia ha k un ka bhi is mamle men nazriya milta julta ha.

And In short jahan Ghamidi sahab 1400 saal k arse k doran ki saari ummat r Hadees se takraen ge to un ko Gumrah r Ghalat hi kaha jaey ga cz Sahaba r un k bad ane walon ko ghamidi sahab se ziada Ilm tha k Quran kia kehta ha r Hadees kia kehti ha. Aj koi naya Quran nai utra Ghamidi Sahab pe. Oper k dalail kafi han Ghamidi sahab ko Ghalat Sabit kerne k liye
 

khalid100

Minister (2k+ posts)
https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthr...!-Maulana-Tariq-Jameel&highlight=hadees+inkar

Janab men is thread pe kafi behs ker chuka hun Ghamidi Sahb k hawale se r ap ne bhi ye thread dekha ha So men Ghamidi sahab k nazriyat k mutalik takreebn Takreebn jan hi chuka hun. Unka hadees ka inkar to saf zahir ha cz Jab wo Hazrat Eisa A.S ki zinda hone r wapas lotne ki Mutawatir Sahih Ahadees ko bhi Nai mante to phr kia bachta ha Hadees k Inkar k liye r Un ke is mamle men Gumrah r Ghalat hone k liye?

Qadiyanion ka is liye mention kia ha k un ka bhi is mamle men nazriya milta julta ha.

And In short jahan Ghamidi sahab 1400 saal k arse k doran ki saari ummat r Hadees se takraen ge to un ko Gumrah r Ghalat hi kaha jaey ga cz Sahaba r un k bad ane walon ko ghamidi sahab se ziada Ilm tha k Quran kia kehta ha r Hadees kia kehti ha. Aj koi naya Quran nai utra Ghamidi Sahab pe. Oper k dalail kafi han Ghamidi sahab ko Ghalat Sabit kerne k liye

Brother you've not answered the question or given proof regarding such big allegations that you put against Ghamdi.
What you have tried to bring forward is difference of opinion on certain things and it has always been the case of Islamic history. Even Dr. Israr split from Moudoodi sb.
Anyway if you have made up your mind then it is upto you and lets wait for the day of Judgement when we will all be answerable to our actions and words before Allah.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
مبارک ہو کم از کم قادیانیوں کو ایک گروہ تو مل گیا جو چپکے چپکے ساتھ دے رہا ہے۔ ہر بے دین اور منافق کا ساتھی ہے غامدی۔
 

dangerous tears

Senator (1k+ posts)
Ap her chez ka Rad ker sakte han lakin Ap Haq r Sach ko Rad nahin ker sakte wo Hamesha Roz e Roshan ki tarah waze hi Rahe ga Ager koi Hidayat Mangne r Man'ne wala ho to r Haq mojood rahe ga,Allah ne us ko chupa k nahin rakha Hujat tamam kerne k liye

یہی بات تمام فرقے والے کہتے ہیں
بریلویوں کے نزدیک وہ صحیح راستے پر ہیں
شیعوں کے نزدیک وہ صحیح راستے پر ہیں
ایسے ہی غامدی اور قادیانی مکتبہ فکر والے کہتے ہیں وہ بھی صحیح راستے پر ہیں
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
Brother you've not answered the question or given proof regarding such big allegations that you put against Ghamdi.
What you have tried to bring forward is difference of opinion on certain things and it has always been the case of Islamic history. Even Dr. Israr split from Moudoodi sb.
Anyway if you have made up your mind then it is upto you and lets wait for the day of Judgement when we will all be answerable to our actions and words before Allah.

Janab ap sab ghamidi sab k followers ka yai prob ha k bat ko kha mukha idher udher ghumate ho jis ka koi faida nai. Seedha seedha jawab do Hazrat Eisa AS k mamle men sahih ahadees ko man'ne se ghamidi sab ne kiun Inkar kia ha? Simple

Quran ka kiun ghalat mafhoom pesh kia ha pori ummat se wakhra bagher kisi sahi Dalil k? Ghamidi Sahb Sahaba se bhi oper ki hasti han kia?

Ye difference of opinion nai gumrahi ha,Quran k bhi khilaf r hadees k bhi

Baqi Aqal rakhne walon k liye Ghamidi sahab ki gumrahi men ne clear ker di ha, ab idher udher ki hanky phanky na maro

Ye lo tumhari tasali k liye, Khud ghamidi k mu se suno k Hasees ek Historical record ha us se deen men na izafa hota ha na Kami matlab in short Hadees se koi hukum nai lia ja sakta R 100 saal ka zikr bhi khud hi Hazrat ne ker dia, Ab mard bano r qabool karo k Ghamidi munkar e hadees ha

 
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Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)

یہی بات تمام فرقے والے کہتے ہیں
بریلویوں کے نزدیک وہ صحیح راستے پر ہیں
شیعوں کے نزدیک وہ صحیح راستے پر ہیں
ایسے ہی غامدی اور قادیانی مکتبہ فکر والے کہتے ہیں وہ بھی صحیح راستے پر ہیں

Men ne jese oper kaha, kisi bhi chez ko Deen ya Deen ki kisi bat ko sahih sabit kerne k liye sab se pehle Quran se perkha jata ha,phr Sahih Hadees se r Phr Sahaba ki Zindagi se. I think Khud Imam Abu Hanifa RA ka qol ha k ager mera koi Fatwa Quran r Hadees k mutabik na ho to use Rad ker do. Isi liye Allah k nabi ne fermaya jo bhi mere r mere sahaba k raste pe hoga wo sahi hoga. So its not something difficult
Ager ap ko kuch bhi Tareekhi lihaz se ya Aj k dor men bhi kuch aesa mile jo Quran r Sahih Ahadees se takra raha ha ya Sahaba ki zindagi se jor nai kha raha to utha k dewar pe maren, Wo jhoot r Mangharat ha. Simple
Thori se Justaju r Tehqeeq karen to bat waze ho jati ha
 
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khalid100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Janab ap sab ghamidi sab k followers ka yai prob ha k bat ko kha mukha idher udher ghumate ho jis ka koi faida nai. Seedha seedha jawab do Hazrat Eisa AS k mamle men sahih ahadees ko man'ne se ghamidi sab ne kiun Inkar kia ha? Simple

Quran ka kiun ghalat mafhoom pesh kia ha pori ummat se wakhra bagher kisi sahi Dalil k? Ghamidi Sahb Sahaba se bhi oper ki hasti han kia?

Ye difference of opinion nai gumrahi ha,Quran k bhi khilaf r hadees k bhi

Baqi Aqal rakhne walon k liye Ghamidi sahab ki gumrahi men ne clear ker di ha, ab idher udher ki hanky phanky na maro

Ye lo tumhari tasali k liye, Khud ghamidi k mu se suno k Hasees ek Historical record ha us se deen men na izafa hota ha na Kami matlab in short Hadees se koi hukum nai lia ja sakta R 100 saal ka zikr bhi khud hi Hazrat ne ker dia, Ab mard bano r qabool karo k Ghamidi munkar e hadees ha

Thats his own words.

 

dangerous tears

Senator (1k+ posts)
Men ne jese oper kaha, kisi bhi chez ko Deen ya Deen ki kisi bat ko sahih sabit kerne k liye sab se pehle Quran se perkha jata ha,phr Sahih Hadees se r Phr Sahaba ki Zindagi se. I think Khud Imam Abu Hanifa RA ka qol ha k ager mera koi Fatwa Quran r Hadees k mutabik na ho to use Rad ker do. Isi liye Allah k nabi ne fermaya jo bhi mere r mere sahaba k raste pe hoga wo sahi hoga. So its not something difficult
Ager ap ko kuch bhi Tareekhi lihaz se ya Aj k dor men bhi kuch aesa mile jo Quran r Sahih Ahadees se takra raha ha ya Sahaba ki zindagi se jor nai kha raha to utha k dewar pe maren, Wo jhoot r Mangharat ha. Simple
Thori se Justaju r Tehqeeq karen to bat waze ho jati ha

ہر فرقہ حالانکہ قادیانی تک بھی اپنے فرقے کو قران و حدیث کی رو سے سچا ثابت کرتے ہیں
ااور باقی فرقوں کا ٹھکانہ جہنم بتاتے ہیں
 

Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)

ہر فرقہ حالانکہ قادیانی تک بھی اپنے فرقے کو قران و حدیث کی رو سے سچا ثابت کرتے ہیں
ااور باقی فرقوں کا ٹھکانہ جہنم بتاتے ہیں

Han kerte han but jhoot r gumrahi hoti ha, na wo bat quran men hoti ha na hadees men na sahaba se sabit to pakri jati ha jese men ne pakri na, Ab in se kaho na k jawab den zara daleel se? Nai de sakte, Oper ek qadiyani bhai ko jawab dia ha na wo perh lo. Aese hi ek pichle thread pe Ghamidi sahab k ek follower se behs ki thi thori r us k pas jawab nai tha, wo thread ager koi neutral ho ke perh le na to udher hi sabit ho raha k sach jhoot kia ha r kon ghalat track pe ha. Halan k men to ek aam admi hun mere sawalon ka jawab nai tha to kisi bare ache Aalim k samne kia ho ga inka. Abhi bhi ek ko jawab de raha hun oper wo perh lo r khud mawazna ker lo ager shaor rakhte ho to..

Ap ager ilm nai rakhte but Haq ki talash ha to dono taraf k dalail hi sun len to bat khul jati ha koi mushkil bat nai ha sir. Ache Ullama bhi mojood han,kitaben bhi mojood han r ap sawalat bhi ker sakte han un se r dono taraf k dalail len to bat wazeh ho jaey gi. Abhi men ne oper ker di na wazeh kon sa mushkil ha. Men wese ziada maslaki issues pe thread bnata nai hun cz phr nafrat phelti ha but jahan kisi ko expose kerna zaroori samajhta hun to bna deta hun. Ap ko kuch confusion ho to mujhe PM ker dena IA jitni help mujh se ho saki ker dun ga.

Akhir men phr wohi bat karun ga k Allah k nabi ne fermaya k wo firqa theek hoga jo Mere r Mere Sahaba k raste pe hoga, Right? Ab wo rasta mojood hoga to koi follow kare ga na,, Matlab rasta mojood ha Haq mojood ha Ap dhondne wale r Allah se Hidayat mangne wale hon bas And yahan Allah k Nabi us Firqe ka nam bhi to bta sakte the, Nai? But nai btaya kiun k ager bta dete to aj Sab firqon ne wohi nam rakha hota. So Allah k nabi ne nishani bta di k Jo bhi mere r mere sahaba k raste per r un k qareeb tareen hoga wo sahi ha. Ab ap sab ka moaqaf le lo, dalail le lo un k Ullama se ya perh lo r Khud judge ker lo kon sa mushkil ha? Ab ye jo men ne thread bnaya ha is pe ghamidi sab r qadiyani bhaion ka muaqaf bhi mojood ha r sach bhi ap k samne ha....
 
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Khan Sab

MPA (400+ posts)
Thats his own words.


Sorry to say BUT Its same to same and Just A foolish Ans My friend,He can't fool every 1.


Nu 1. Pehle in se kaho Apna nazriya Quran se to sabit kare, Ahadees ka nu to bad men aey ga. Quran ka Ghalat mafhoom r ghalt tarjuma jo Ghamidi Sahb ne bayan kia ha wo oper sabit ho gaya ha k wo khud Quran se hi Taqra raha ha so i think ghamidi sab jahil bhi han r Gumrah bhi. In ki kitab meezan k hawale bhi khul k samne A gaey han k inhon ne kahan kahan dandi mari ha. R inki ghalti roz e roshan ki tarah wazeh ho gai ha.

2. Ap in se ye pochen k Ap ne Kis bunyad pe un Ahadees ko nai mana r Tanqeed ki ha? Ha koi wajah? Un Ahadees ka mafhoom Quran se sabit ho raha ha, Quran Taeed ker raha ha r Ap nai man rahe kiun bhai? Ap kon ho kia ho? Kia naey peghambar ho nabi ho kia ho Ap. Ap pe naya Ilm utra ha koi?

Ap mujhe in k lecture na sunwaen Ap ye btaen k inhon ne kiun un Ahadees ko rad kia 1400 saal bad jin ko sari ummat ne mana, Wajah to btao na??? Itna bara darja in ko kis ne de dia bhai?

Ahadees ko to choro Quran se bhi In ka nazriya ghalat sabit ho raha ha. Quran ki to Hazrat ko samajh ha nai, Qauran ka tarjuma to theek se ata nai r ker nai sakte,R chale han Ahadees pe Tanqeed kerne r un ko Rad kerne, Bare 14th century k Mujadid Scholar, to bajaey is k ye apni marzi se Ahadees ko qabool r rad karen, Hum inka Rad kiun na karen? Jin Ahadees ko Khulafa e Rashdeen ne mana r Tamam sahaba ne mana r Ghamidi sab ki amad se pehle ki pori ummat ne mana wo sab jahil the kia? R ye koi Asman se utre han k ye wo sab kuch rad kiye ja rahe han...

Ab waqt A gaya k Ha Hazrat ka rad kia jaey... R men kerta rahun ga IA pori book post kerni ha men ne Fiqr Not. Hazrat Eisa k Mutaliq Sahih Mutawatir Ahadees Ap k Hazrat r Ap log Qabool nai kerte R Masterbation k mutalik zaeef Hawale ap qabool ker lete ho, Kiun bhai? Deen Kisi k Abba ki jageer ha kia jo apni marzi kerta phire r Logon ko Gumrah kerta phire.

Oper ap ne ek ghamidi sab ki tarah k ek gumrah Mufti ya Alim ki bhi ek Video share ki ha Use bhi mera ye thread share kerna ager us k pas jawab ho to btana, Ap k pas to nai ha
 
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