خطرناک اسلام مخالف بل پاس

[Rambler]

I have read the bill myself.

See the link for the bill and read it yourself. If you find anything contrary to what I claim, I will not hesitate to apologize.

http://www.senate.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1624355124_229.pdf

So which clause is against any Islamic injunctions.e.g Where does it say you cannot check mobile phone of your children?

 

[arifkarim]

I have read the bill myself.

See the link for the bill and read it yourself. If you find anything contrary to what I claim, I will not hesitate to apologize.

http://www.senate.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1624355124_229.pdf

Disciplining a child through physical, mental or verbal abuse is illegal here in the West. It is backed by scientific research and child psychologists.

 

[Rambler]

Disciplining a child through physical, mental or verbal abuse is illegal here in the West. It is backed by scientific research and child psychologists.

It would be better to not bring West in this discussion. We have a much better framework available to us. In the west there is a ridiculous law of rape of spouse as well which is a contradiction in term.

 

[back to the future]

looti molvi or not
a western system is being introduced by the women who do not know anything about islam.This bill will result in divorces and non marriages like westernised countries.If this is what these overseas women represent then they should remain where they are.

I am myself in favour of hanging this looti molvi aziz ur rehman and the rapist of little girls they must be hanged publicly.Likewise who ever is doing violence and I know majority of pakistanis they are not good people at all.They indulge in dowry taking are greedy but a mechanism to introduce reasonableness should be the way out..

Taali aik haath say nahin bajti.

 

[arifkarim]

We have a much better framework available to us.

That's why Pakistan's system of justice is at the 118 place out of 128?

 

[arifkarim]

In the west there is a ridiculous law of rape of spouse as well which is a contradiction in term.

This law is not about rape of spouse but about domestic violence. Sex should be through consent. Husband can cannot forcibly have sex with his wife. And vice versa.

 

[Rambler]

That's why Pakistan's system of justice is at the 118 place out of 128?

Two separate things - Having a moral and legal framework is one thing and having laws and an effective system of enforcement, prosecution and justice system is another.

 

[miafridi]

The bill has already been passed. Why to revisit? , It has been supported by all the major parties i.e. PTI, PMLN, and PPP.

It has to be passed by both the houses to become a law. The bill will now go to the National Assembly and if it is passed there as well only then it will become a law.

 

[arifkarim]

a western system is being introduced by the women who do not know anything about islam

Pakistan's entire democratic and legal system is Western, donkey

 

[arifkarim]

This bill will result in divorces and non marriages like westernised countries.

So keeping the marriage by force is the solution?

 

[arifkarim]

Two separate things - Having a moral and legal framework is one thing and having laws and an effective system of enforcement, prosecution and justice system is another.

There is nothing wrong in the law. Law bans domestic violence and that's it.

 

[Rambler]

This law is not about rape of spouse but about domestic violence. Sex should be through consent. Husband can cannot forcibly have sex with his wife. And vice versa.

Sex is an important part of marriage infact the main pivot of marriage revolves around sex and children. If a husband has to force his wife to sex then the marriage is over anyways. It may be grounds for divorce but it is not rape by any stretch of imagination.

 

[Cyber_Security]

So which clause is against any Islamic injunctions.e.g Where does it say you cannot check mobile phone of your children?

 

[Roast King]

ye gay molvi to apni zuban band hi rakhain

 

[arifkarim]

Sex is an important part of marriage infact the main pivot of marriage revolves around sex and children. If a husband has to force his wife to sex then the marriage is over anyways. It may be grounds for divorce but it is not rape by any stretch of imagination.

So husband can have forced sex with wife and divorce her, then this is not rape? ?

 

[arifkarim]

Every individual has a right to privacy.

 

[Cyber_Security]

So which clause is against any Islamic injunctions.e.g Where does it say you cannot check mobile phone of your children?

also see this part of the clause. Even if you verbally discipline your child, it can be illegal

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[Rambler]

I am no legal expert but this does not mean parents cannot check mobile phones of their children. It is not the case even in the west. My little understanding of law is that the ambiguities in one law could be cleared from another law. Children are under parents protection and parents are even encouraged to control what children do and cannot do online even. So by no stretch of imagination this implies that parents cannot check what their children are doing. It would be ridiculous to interpret it that way.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I am no legal expert but this does not mean parents cannot check mobile phones of their children. It is not the case even in the west. My little understanding of law is that the ambiguities in one law could be cleared from another law. Children are under parents protection and parents are even encouraged to control what children do and cannot do online even. So by no stretch of imagination this implies that parents cannot check what their children are doing. It would be ridiculous to interpret it that way.

Read, the link of the bill I sent you, instead of expecting me to cut, paste, highlight and then put it on a website and then sending to you so you could understand it. The bill clearly uses the word, "CHILD " so I assume, it is under 18. Also, invasion of privacy is clearly mentioned in the bill., It can be anything a child has, Why can't it be a mobile?

 

[arifkarim]

Even if you verbally discipline your child, it can be illegal

Yes verbal abuse should be illegal because it leads to psychological trauma