gazoomartian
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300million? waht country are you referring to? (bigsmile)
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300million? waht country are you referring to? (bigsmile)
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Hawk bhai... aap yaqeen keroo Pakistan say door rehnay k baad .. aaj dil khoon k ansoo roo raha hia apnay mulk ki halat dekh ker
Night_Hawk
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I would like to give you a historical background if I may:
At time of partition in 1947, when Muslims were migrating to Pakistan, there were three major entry points for migrating Muslims.
1: Lahore and surroundings along Radcliffe line.
2: Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur and Multan
2: Tharparkar region in Sindh.
The migrating Muslims from India were of a mix ethnic background.
There were various teams at the border to help the migrating Muslims, which included Sindhis from Sindh. They were there to welcome their Muslim Brothers.
Migrating People were on foot, bullock carts and whatever means of transport they could get their hands on. Trains were also the major source of transport,
In Province Sindh, Karachi, Khairpur, Hyderabad, Nawabshah, Sukkar, Shikarpur and MirpurKhas the major cities were the destination cities for the Migrating Muslims.
In Province Punjab, Lahore, Faisalabad (formerly known as Lyallpur), Sahiwal (formerly known as Montgomery), Multan, Muzaffargarh, Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur, RahimYarkhan, and Sadiqabad.
I believe that there were no problems with integration of new comers in Punjab.
In Sindh the immigrants settled in all these areas, with welcoming hands. Majority of them were settled in urban cities and started their own businesses. The locals welcome them with open arms. There was not a problem in settling in Sindh at this stage.
Karachi had majority of the people who mainly s***e Urdu.
There were no animosities between the locals and migrants, till 1966.
This is time when Bhutto separated from Ayub Khan’s Govt. and the Mujeeb-ur-Rahman started to strengthen Awami Leage in East Pakistan.
In the mean time G M Syed was a political leader who pioneered 'Jeay Sindh movement' for the freedom of Sindh from Pakistan. He is regarded as one of the founding fathers of modern Sindhi Nationalism.
Jaey Sindh followers were against Non-Sindhis (also known as Mohajirs and in sindhi “Pannahgir” meaning protection seekers) that included, Pathan, Punjabi speaking groups (people from west Punjab, Migrants from east Punjab, south Punjab) and migrant from India (Urdu speaking).
Jaey Sindh group had a slogan, “Sindh for Sindhis”.
There was another group of Non-Sindhis who migrated to Sindh region in 1900 and 1930’s well established business owners and landowners. They were also known as non-Sindhis.
The 1900 migrants and 1947 migrants, they settled in Urban areas, these two migration change the ratio of population to 56% non Sindhis and 44% Sindhis.
Karachi, which at the time of partition was a city of 300,000 inhabitants.
All the Non-Sindhis were united against this Jaey Sindh group because of their violent and ethnic stance.
After partition, more migrants from India settled in Sindh, mostly in Karachi.
The areas with non-Sindhi majority s***e Urdu as a primary day-to-day language of trade and communication.
The Jaey-sindh movement was dormant till 1966. The last election of Ayub Khan
In 1964, Ayub confident in his apparent popularity and seeing deep divisions within the political opposition, called for Presidential elections.
He was however taken by surprise when despite a brief disagreement between the five main opposition parties (a preference for a former close associate of Ayub Khan, General Azam Khan as candidate was dropped), the joint opposition agreed on supporting the respected and popular Fatima Jinnah, the sister of the founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
Despite Jinnah's considerable popularity and public disaffection with Ayub's government,Ayub won with 64% of the vote in a bitterly contested election on January 2, 1965. The election did not conform to international standards and journalists. It is widely held, that the elections were rigged in favour of Ayub Khan using state patronage and intimidation to influence the indirectly elected Electoral College. In the aftermath of the elections his son Gohar Ayub was involved in a major clash with opposition activists in their stronghold of Karachi.
His role in Karachi riots after his father’s election in the rigged 1965 presidential Election, against Fatima Jinnah.
Gohar Ayub it is said to have led a victory parade right into the heartland of opposition territory in Karachi, in a blatantly provocative move and the civil administrations failure to stop the rally led to a fierce clashes between opposing groups with many locals being killed. The victory parade lead to killing of opposing groups Pathan and Mohajirs. The stage was set to ethnic unrest in Karachi and Interior Sindh against non-Sindhis.
The 1970 elections results: Awami League 38.3% 160 seats & Pakistan Peoples Party 19.5% 81seats.
The Awami League emerged as the single largest party in the National Assembly by winning a majority with 160 seats, and also won 288 of the 300 East Pakistan assembly seats in the provincial elections that were held simultaneously there. The Pakistan Peoples Party dominated in West Pakistan, winning 81 of 138 the seats there.
We had language Riots:
The Sindhis-Mohajirs Language Riots, 1971-72
1971; January: By the end of the year 1970, the Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education recommended to adopt Sindhi as the official language of the board. Then, in January 1971, the Mohajirs, organized by Nawab Muzaffar, launched anti-Sindhis processions, to which Sindhis answered alike.
The law and order situation degenerated and clashes occurred in Hyderabad, Nawab Shah, MirpurKhas, and Larkana. By the end of the month, disturbances spread to Karachi up to the north of the province. For the first time, Mohajirs started to raise the demand for Karachi as a separate province.
1972; July: After the creation of the independent and sovereign State of Bangladesh and the abrogation of the One Unit Plan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) ruled the remaining Pakistan. Mumtaz Ali Bhutto, Zulfikar’s cousin, became Chief Minister of Sindh and presented himself as the champion of the Sindhi cause.
The Bhuttos have a big role in the history of Ethnic conflicts in Sindh Province.
The Sindh (teaching, promotion, and use of Sindhi language) Bill of 1972 was submitted to the Legislative Assembly on July 3. The Mohajirs feared, that if Urdu was not introduced as an official language of the province along with Sindhi, they would suffer discrimination.
On July 7, Urdu-speakers began to mobilize themselves against Sindhis.
In interior part of Sindh the Non-Sindhis were attacked, the houses were burned.
In parts of Karachi, people were attacked and molested. The day after, large-scale language-related riots broke out in Karachi and Hyderabad, Larkana, Nawab Shah and Sukkar where curfew was subsequently declared and the army was called in majority parts of Sindh. In Karachi the attacks were mixed, as the targets were both anti-police, anti-Sindhi and Anti-Government.
Law and order were restored on July 16 through a compromise solution stating that both Sindhi and Urdu were to be the official languages of the province.
During that time frame Urdu speaking group mainly in Karachi and Hyderabad separated from the rest of the Non-Sindhi group in the Sindh region.
Now the Non-Sindhis have breach in their unity.
After the formation of Bangladesh, the Majority of Bangladeshi migrants Bihari, were promised to be repatriated in West Pakistan. The Sindhi group (Jaey Sindh) objected to this. They thought that this migration would change the population ratio.
I just wanted to give you historical background of the ongoing Ethnic conflict in Sindh and in Karachi.
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mqm people are very afraid nowdays haha.its because the british kufar who were raising altaf baby in british zionist diapers have first time showed eyes to altaf baby.
i have heard and read british papers who have unexpectedly started to speak truth in imran farooq murder mystery.
these papers of britain like guardian have written that mqm itself killed imran farooq because imran farooq had left mqm and was making another party,that party if made would have been an end to mqm so imran farooq was murdered
now mqm as its links to cia and raw thought that its safe and no one will raise fingers on him for imran farooq murder,but very unexpectedly some part of british media is revealing the truth and this has made altaf baby very scared
thats why he today gave very lame statement of an "international conspiracy against his life" hahaha very funny...all people know that altaf baby is himself the international conspiracy against pakistans sovereignity
anyway traitors like these should realise that their end is always bad.kufar use them like toilet papers and when their utility is over they throw them in flush.take example of musharaf ,inshalah altaf s end will be same or worse
also altaf after seeing an "international conspiracy " against him has also criticised america for dr aafia,s arrest.which is another ugly drama being played by altaf
in 2003 when aafia was kidnapped from karachi by american and local agencies than mqm,s city government is reported to have played full role in her arrest.altaf will sell many more daughters of pakistan again if he gets chance.please no muslim here get fooled now by his crocodile tears.
remember that it was altaf who took out million man march in karachi in favour of laal mosque operation in musharaf era that killed thousand innocent girls...inshalah these girls aah will sink mqm totally before 2012 amen and inshalah
in 2003 when aafia was kidnapped from karachi by american and local agencies than mqm,s city government is reported to have played full role in her arrest.altaf will sell many more daughters of pakistan again if he gets chance.please no muslim here get fooled now by his crocodile tears.
remember that it was altaf who took out million man march in karachi in favour of laal mosque operation in musharaf era that killed thousand innocent girls...inshalah these girls aah will sink mqm totally before 2012 amen and inshalah
Night_Hawk
Siasat.pk - Blogger
May Allah have mercy on us.
YAHYA87
Senator (1k+ posts)
You tried so hard to analyze but I think LACK OF KNOWLEDGE of 1980s is very evident and also NO NOTHING ABOUT KARACHIITE is also very evident in your analysis......Let me clear you point to point......
1. Back in 1970s Bhutto made the Govt and Muhajirs supported JI and other religious groups despite of having different MINDSET as Muhajirs were Mostly Liberals but supporting conservative because they believe in UNIFIED PAKISTAN having a COMMON IDENTIFICATION as PAKISTANI ONLY instead of Sindhi Baluchi or Punjabi but instead this thoughts were DISRESPECTED by rest of the Country by imposing Language Bill and Riots by Bhutto and after that by ZIA who DUMPED AFGHANS IN KARACHI and when the things went extreme that Massacres of Muhajir got started(Aligarh Qasba Calony Massacre) and Faiza Zaidi Murder then everything went upside down and MQM was created and got Support of Muhajir back then very quickly and ZIA was totally supported by Religious Parties back then and due to his most agendas only Conservative and Religious Parties were the Only once who could have Fulfilled his interest and their wasnt Sindhi Nationalist back in 1980s BTW their were a Separatist Group called JSQM back then in Sindh and Empowering them for any reason was a biggest disaster for ZIA and also for his agenda as well.......And also the reason why MQM is against Jamatees are because when Muhajirs were getting massacred at that time they were discussing Haram Halal in the Parliament instead of issues of their own Voters and also because their position in sparking Sectarian Violence in Karachi due to their support for Taliban and alike groups like Alqaida, LeT, LeJ,Sipah-e-Sahaba type groups in past and today as well.....
2. MQM did manage to get a lot of attention after massacres that took place back in 1980s and after that in 1992 when MQM was totally CLUELESS about their future then due to Army operation and its continuation after the Govt. has always kept MQM alive because Army made the situation of Karachi like HELL back in 1990s and due to mistreatment from Law enforcement agencies were the major reason behind MQM able to get their support back as MQM and Karachiite were facing same Fate and another wave that becomes reason for gaining more deep rooted support was Sectarian Violence which started in 1995 and due to their Role in defusing that and Rumers about MQM Haqiqi having develop some contacts with those elements in Malir for some Mutual short term Business also played ats part as many Sectarian groups retaliated by joining MQM against them....So MQM is not Simply just known for their Ethnic or Communal reasons but also known defusing Sectarian Violence and also for their efforts in developing Karachi and Good governance in the form of LB system......
3. The element of Ego is totally wrong as I dont think that any Punjabi in Karachi support PMLN or even PTI in Karachi.....This might be true for Baluch and Sindhis(illetrate once and some for Political benefits) who support PPP on the other hand even ANP doesnt enjoy support of 100% Pashtun as their are large Numbers in PPP and Religious Organization as well on the other hand Muhajir and Educated Urbanized Punjabi mostly support MQM due to their sense of Good Governance(LB system) and also due to Ideology......
4. That BorriBand Lashain was phenomenon started when MQM Haqiqi was created and these stories were mostly originated from Shah Faisal Calony near Lal Koti but still its not proved that who operate those MQM or Haqiqi because at that time MQM and MQM Haqiqi cant be differentiated and another thing is that most Muhajir were actually killed by Law Enforcement agencies who use to Arrest relatives or any Close friend of MQM workers and then Killed them in Fake Encounters and in many cases of clashes their were many casualties there as well and keeping in mind Restriction on Double Sawari which led to many such Arrest and Tortures as well and not to forget sectarian elements had also killed large number of people as well so its completely not true that MQm and MQM Haqiqi clashes were the reason for most killings of Muhajirs......
5. Well Neither MQM nor Muhajir have any Future in ethnic struggle cause Muhajirs have found other ways to counter the discrimination against them in Public and Military sector in the form of Corporate and Entrepreneurship and also Karachi itself is shared by all Ethnic Groups(Some even dont exist in other cities like Sheedis) and total population of Muhajirs are Narrow Majority like Baluch in Quetta compare to total population of Karachi so due to ethnic Mix(Especially with educated Urbanized Punjabi and Pashtuns of Mostly Military influenced Background) ethnic mindset has been decline in Muhajirs and now Most Muhajir are more Interested in Interest of Karachi City and against Sectarian and Feudal system in Pakistan......
It was actually 1985 gazoo . There was an accident outside sirsayyed girls college ....( no , I was too little to be outside girls college for anything else but happened to be in the area back then) ...the poor girl died . APMSO found a way into main stream politics and MQM was born . they started raping karachi ...city of lights ended up becoming a city of bloodshed . is napaak naam nehaad siasi jamaat (mafia in reality) kay vajood main anay say pehlay ...kehtay thay ke karachi sota nahi tha . aaj karachi raat 8 bajay soona ho jata hai . Allah ka azaab aye ga in sab qatilon par InshaAllah
sirf is liey kay is jamaat ka leader hi bhagora hai is liey is main koi fakhar ki baat nahi hai . Sirf Mafia doosray countries main phelta hai ...eik political party apnay country main hi rehti hai .
JewayPakistan
MPA (400+ posts)
If I am not wrong her name was Bushra Zaidi.There was massacre of Punjabis,Sindhis,Pakhtoons.Females were raped and even their breast were ripped.Gen.Zia was the person who did it all.
Night_Hawk
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ابھی بچہ ہے نا -- نئی نئی سیاست سیکھ رہا ہے اسی لیے بشریٰ زیدی کو فائزہ زیدی لکھ گیا ہے --- کوئی بات نہیں آپ ہی کا جوڑی دار ہے معاف کر دیں
Classified
Senator (1k+ posts)
Mohajirs resisted therefore existed , otherwise incident of bushra zaidi was alone enough
to corner them in karachi . "All against me " had a viral spread in Mohajirs which turned
later to "Me Against all " .
Thumbs Up Yahya87 as your reply is based on reality and while dealing with the harsh
realities of Karachi 24/7 yet it is another reality , the Muttehda Qaumi Movement is in its
prime time as people from all religious and ethnic groups are joining hands and this time
all together with muhajirs , we are All against all odds .
you have said enough for feelers thrown to test the disciplined lines of karachiites.
abbasiali
Minister (2k+ posts)
موت کا ایک دیں متعین ہے نیند رات بھر کیوں نہیں آتی
جب ہاتھ بے گناہ اور معصوم لوگوں کے خون سے بھرے ہوے ہوں اور مکافات ے عمل کا سلسلہ شرو ع ہوتا ہوا نظر آ رہا ہو تو یہ سب باتیں شرو ع ہو جاتیں ہیں،
بھائی کو اپنا انجام اب قریب نظر آ رہا ہے اور شاید یہی وجہ ہے کہ یہ شور شرابہ شرو ع کر دیا گیا ہے بہرحال ایک بات انھیں یاد رکھنی چاہیے کہ وہ صرف اکیلے نہیں ہیں وہ سب جو اس کھیل کے ساتھی تھے سب کا انجام یہی ہونا ہے
رہی بات پاکستان اور بین الاقوامی سطح پر رد ے عمل کی تو ، تو یہ خون کا کھیل صرف پاکستان جیسے لا قانون ملک میں ہی ممکن ہے ورنہ کون سے دوسرے ملک میں احتجاج اور وہ بھی لا قانونیت سے بھر پور ممکن ہے کسی ایک ملک کا نام بتا دیں ممنوں و مشکور ہوں گا ، یہی وہ ہتھکنڈا ہے جسے اپنی باتوں میں استمال کر کے پاکستان کے لوگوں کو یہ بتانے کی کوشش کی جاتی ہے کے بیرون ممالک میں ان لوگوں کا کتنا اثر و رسوخ ہے ، جبکہ حقیقت اس کے بلکل برعکس ہے بیرون ملک مقیم پاکستانی کو چاہے وہ کسی بھی جماعت کے ساتھ ہمدردی رکھتا ہو اسے بڑی اچھی طر ح سے معلوم ہے اگر وہ قانون کی خلاف ورزی کرے گا تو اسے اس کا جرمانہ بھی خود ہی بھرنا ہوگا کوئی اس کی مدد کو نہیں آیے گا اگر کسی بھی پاکستانی کو میری اس بات سے اتفاق نہ ہو تو ضرور مجھے وہ طریقہ بھی بتا دے جس کے کرنے سے لاقانونیت کرنے کے باوجود صاف بچ نکلے ، میرے حساب سے تو یہ بلکل بھی ممکن نہیں ہے بیرون ممالک میں .
میرا اور میرے خیال میں ہر زی ہوش کا مشورہ الطاف بھائی کے لیے یہی ہو گا کے اب قیادت نوجوان لوگوں کو ہاتھ میں دے کر سبکدوش ہو جائیں اور الله اور اس کی مخلوق سے اپنے کیے کی معافی مانگیں الله کی ذات عظیم ترین ہے اور شاید کو ی مواجزہ ہو جایے اور بھائی کو جان بخشی ہو جایے، بظاھر تو ایسا ہوتا نظر نہیں آتا . باقی الله پاک کی ذات پر منحصر ہے
جب ہاتھ بے گناہ اور معصوم لوگوں کے خون سے بھرے ہوے ہوں اور مکافات ے عمل کا سلسلہ شرو ع ہوتا ہوا نظر آ رہا ہو تو یہ سب باتیں شرو ع ہو جاتیں ہیں،
بھائی کو اپنا انجام اب قریب نظر آ رہا ہے اور شاید یہی وجہ ہے کہ یہ شور شرابہ شرو ع کر دیا گیا ہے بہرحال ایک بات انھیں یاد رکھنی چاہیے کہ وہ صرف اکیلے نہیں ہیں وہ سب جو اس کھیل کے ساتھی تھے سب کا انجام یہی ہونا ہے
رہی بات پاکستان اور بین الاقوامی سطح پر رد ے عمل کی تو ، تو یہ خون کا کھیل صرف پاکستان جیسے لا قانون ملک میں ہی ممکن ہے ورنہ کون سے دوسرے ملک میں احتجاج اور وہ بھی لا قانونیت سے بھر پور ممکن ہے کسی ایک ملک کا نام بتا دیں ممنوں و مشکور ہوں گا ، یہی وہ ہتھکنڈا ہے جسے اپنی باتوں میں استمال کر کے پاکستان کے لوگوں کو یہ بتانے کی کوشش کی جاتی ہے کے بیرون ممالک میں ان لوگوں کا کتنا اثر و رسوخ ہے ، جبکہ حقیقت اس کے بلکل برعکس ہے بیرون ملک مقیم پاکستانی کو چاہے وہ کسی بھی جماعت کے ساتھ ہمدردی رکھتا ہو اسے بڑی اچھی طر ح سے معلوم ہے اگر وہ قانون کی خلاف ورزی کرے گا تو اسے اس کا جرمانہ بھی خود ہی بھرنا ہوگا کوئی اس کی مدد کو نہیں آیے گا اگر کسی بھی پاکستانی کو میری اس بات سے اتفاق نہ ہو تو ضرور مجھے وہ طریقہ بھی بتا دے جس کے کرنے سے لاقانونیت کرنے کے باوجود صاف بچ نکلے ، میرے حساب سے تو یہ بلکل بھی ممکن نہیں ہے بیرون ممالک میں .
میرا اور میرے خیال میں ہر زی ہوش کا مشورہ الطاف بھائی کے لیے یہی ہو گا کے اب قیادت نوجوان لوگوں کو ہاتھ میں دے کر سبکدوش ہو جائیں اور الله اور اس کی مخلوق سے اپنے کیے کی معافی مانگیں الله کی ذات عظیم ترین ہے اور شاید کو ی مواجزہ ہو جایے اور بھائی کو جان بخشی ہو جایے، بظاھر تو ایسا ہوتا نظر نہیں آتا . باقی الله پاک کی ذات پر منحصر ہے
Night-Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
عبّاسی بھائی آپ سے التماس ہے کہ آپ اردو کے فونٹس کو بڑا کر دیا کریں تاکہ مجھ جیسے کمزور نظر والوں کو بھی دکھے --- آپ کا الطاف بھائی اور متحدہ والوں کو مشورہ اچھا ہے لیکن یہ بھی ایک حقیقت ہے کہ بندوق کا استعمال شروع ہو جاۓ تو پھر چھوٹتا نہیں -- وہ انگریزی میں کہتے ہیں ناں کہ
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
اسی لیے مجھے کوئی اچھا انجام ہوتا نظر نہیں آتا
staray khaatir
Minister (2k+ posts)
I fear for the lives of innocent ppl in karachi.ایک اور دھمکی
When bhutto was about to be hanged bhutto one day said"if i am hanged than hamalya will cry and earth will shake or something
when bhutto was hanged (for a murder he actually committed along with many others) no one heard hamlaya crying,nor the earth shook nor any peoples party jayaala did even the weakest of protests.and the next ten years after bhutto were hanged were pakistans best years according to all unbiased observers,economy remained strong,pakistan made nuclear weapons in 84,many missiles plus tanks were made and kashmir movement was restarted plus in those years for the first time in history india was on back foot and feared pakistan.
same will be the case if altaf baai is sent to next world,when this crow dies no one will even remember him ,infact most people will feel delivered from bhatta maafia and lawlessness and his own patriots will remain silent after getting money from govt etc.
but altafs life is safe for now,as raw ,mossad and cia are with him...but altaf baai, be warned,that sometimes raw mossad and cia make their own agents a sacrifice animal or qurbnaani kaa bakra,so raw mossad or cia can crush altaaf under their boot if they want some chaos in pakistan ,but hopefully nothing will happen and raw mossad etc will again cry their hearts out that what lazy this nation is in protests .haha
and life will go on ,but just minus the most gorgeous politician we ever had in pakistan :lol:imran khan is so jealous of altafs good looks you know
when bhutto was hanged (for a murder he actually committed along with many others) no one heard hamlaya crying,nor the earth shook nor any peoples party jayaala did even the weakest of protests.and the next ten years after bhutto were hanged were pakistans best years according to all unbiased observers,economy remained strong,pakistan made nuclear weapons in 84,many missiles plus tanks were made and kashmir movement was restarted plus in those years for the first time in history india was on back foot and feared pakistan.
same will be the case if altaf baai is sent to next world,when this crow dies no one will even remember him ,infact most people will feel delivered from bhatta maafia and lawlessness and his own patriots will remain silent after getting money from govt etc.
but altafs life is safe for now,as raw ,mossad and cia are with him...but altaf baai, be warned,that sometimes raw mossad and cia make their own agents a sacrifice animal or qurbnaani kaa bakra,so raw mossad or cia can crush altaaf under their boot if they want some chaos in pakistan ,but hopefully nothing will happen and raw mossad etc will again cry their hearts out that what lazy this nation is in protests .haha
and life will go on ,but just minus the most gorgeous politician we ever had in pakistan :lol:imran khan is so jealous of altafs good looks you know
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Leadership main to koi sani nahin? Punjab sirf apnay"taassub" ki waja say mukhalif hay, india say hijrat kar k lahore main bas nay wala aaj bhi "bhayya" hay, koi qabool nahin karta, ghaltian zaroor hain mqm ki, lekin abhi bhi vote bank mazboot hay-
punjab ko bedar to honay do
har "paindoo" pukaray ga hamari hay mqm
allah sab ko hidayat day-aameen dunya main sirf do qomain hain 1-- muslim 2-- non muslim
punjab ko bedar to honay do
har "paindoo" pukaray ga hamari hay mqm
allah sab ko hidayat day-aameen dunya main sirf do qomain hain 1-- muslim 2-- non muslim
