اسلام پاکستان میں فیل ہوچکا ہے

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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Absolutely wrong!

Islam says one must not question Quran, Prophet SAW, and their orders.
Islam shuts minds of its followers. It doesn't even allow to study other religions. It promotes terror. It uses violence as a policy to dominate the World. It orders to kill fellow human beings.

Islam is all about propaganda. It discourages education for women. Haith that says that education is a duty on both men and women is Za'i'f. It's false. It's not an order of Islam.
This is what molvi says about islam! Quran clearly tells us to think about its verses! I can give you dozens of examples in which scientific facts are presented and reader is encoiraged to think about
 

Qarar

MPA (400+ posts)
جب کمیونزم کا نظریہ متعارف کروایا گیا تو کافی لوگوں نے اسے پسند کیا تھا ...مزدوروں کی حکومت ہوگی ، کوئی امیر یا غریب نہیں ہوگا .... سب کو یکساں تنخواہ اور ایک جیسا گھر ملے گا ...ایک گھرانے کے افراد کی تعداد کے مطابق راشن سازی ہوگی ...حکمران طبقہ ورکر کلاس سے ہو گا ..وغیرہ وغیرہ
لیکن کیا ہوا ...کچھ ہی سالوں میں یہ نظام دھڑام سے گر گیا کیونکہ اس نظام نے انسان کی بنیادی جبلت یعنی لالچ کو نظر انداز کیا تھا ...انسان پیدائشی طور پر لالچی اور طاقت کا بھوکا ہے ....کمیونزم اپنی تمام تر اچھائیوں کے باوجود انسانی لالچ کو ختم نہیں کرسکا ...کمیونزم کو اس کی روح کے مطابق استعمال کیا جاتا تو شاید اتنا برا نظام بھی نہیں تھا مگر خرابی انسانوں میں نہیں تھی بلکہ کمیونزم میں تھی جو انسان کی فطرت کے خلاف تھا


پونے دو ارب مسلمان ہوں یا ساٹھ سے زیادہ مسلمان ملک ...کیا کوئی ایک بھی جگہ ملتی ہے جہاں اسلام اپنی اصلی روح کے مطابق نافذ ہو؟ کیا وجہ ہے کہ ان ملکوں کو اس دنیا میں اور آخرت میں کامیابی کی کنجی پکڑا دی گئی ہے مگر وہ اس مکمل کامیابی والے راستے کو جانے سے گریزاں ہیں؟ سوال یا اٹھتا ہے کہ کہ خرابی پونے دو ارب مسمانوں کی ہے ...ساٹھ ملکوں کی ہے یا نظریے کی؟


جس دور میں عورتوں کو کوئی حقوق حاصل نہیں تھے اس زمانے میں اسلام آیا اور اس نے عورتوں کے حقوق کی بات کی ....لیکن اگر مسلمان آج مغرب کو یہ جتلائیں کہ دیکھو اسلام نے بیوی کو وارثت میں آٹھواں حصہ دیا ہے.....بیٹی کا حصہ بڑھا کر آدھا کر دیا ہے ....عورتوں کی گواہی بڑھا کر آدھی کردی ہے ...تو مغربی ممالک کے لوگ ہم پر ہنسیں گے ....جو قوانین چھٹی صدی میں باقیوں سے کچھ بہتر تھے ...اکیسویں صدی میں باقیوں سے کہیں پیچھے ہیں اور انہیں بدلنے کی ضرورت ہے


اسی طرح عورتوں کو برقعے یا حجاب پہنا کر ...مردوں کی نظروں سے دور رکھ کر یہ کوشش کی گئی کہ شاید مرد کی ہوس کو ختم یا کم کیا جائے ....مقصد شاید معاشرے میں عورت کو مردوں سے محفوظ رکھنا تھا مگر کیا اس سے عورت محفوظ ہو گئی ہے؟ .....انسان میں سیکس کی طلب اس کی جبلت میں شامل ہے ...اس پر بند نہیں لگائے جاسکتے ......سنہری مسلم ادوار میں لونڈیوں کا کیا تصور تھا؟ آجکل بھی مدرسے کے مولوی حضرات کو عورت یا لونڈی میسر نہیں تو وہ بچوں پر ہاتھ صاف کر رہے ہیں....کتھولک پادریوں کو شادی اور سیکس کی اجازت نہیں لیکن ان کے بچوں کے استحصال کے کتنے کیسز سامنے آئے ہیں


لہذا سوچنے کی بات یہ ہے کہ کیا اسلام انسانی فطرت کے عین مطابق ہے؟


 

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Senator (1k+ posts)
جب کمیونزم کا نظریہ متعارف کروایا گیا تو کافی لوگوں نے اسے پسند کیا تھا ...مزدوروں کی حکومت ہوگی ، کوئی امیر یا غریب نہیں ہوگا .... سب کو یکساں تنخواہ اور ایک جیسا گھر ملے گا ...ایک گھرانے کے افراد کی تعداد کے مطابق راشن سازی ہوگی ...حکمران طبقہ ورکر کلاس سے ہو گا ..وغیرہ وغیرہ
لیکن کیا ہوا ...کچھ ہی سالوں میں یہ نظام دھڑام سے گر گیا کیونکہ اس نظام نے انسان کی بنیادی جبلت یعنی لالچ کو نظر انداز کیا تھا ...انسان پیدائشی طور پر لالچی اور طاقت کا بھوکا ہے ....کمیونزم اپنی تمام تر اچھائیوں کے باوجود انسانی لالچ کو ختم نہیں کرسکا ...کمیونزم کو اس کی روح کے مطابق استعمال کیا جاتا تو شاید اتنا برا نظام بھی نہیں تھا مگر خرابی انسانوں میں نہیں تھی بلکہ کمیونزم میں تھی جو انسان کی فطرت کے خلاف تھا


پونے دو ارب مسلمان ہوں یا ساٹھ سے زیادہ مسلمان ملک ...کیا کوئی ایک بھی جگہ ملتی ہے جہاں اسلام اپنی اصلی روح کے مطابق نافذ ہو؟ کیا وجہ ہے کہ ان ملکوں کو اس دنیا میں اور آخرت میں کامیابی کی کنجی پکڑا دی گئی ہے مگر وہ اس مکمل کامیابی والے راستے کو جانے سے گریزاں ہیں؟ سوال یا اٹھتا ہے کہ کہ خرابی پونے دو ارب مسمانوں کی ہے ...ساٹھ ملکوں کی ہے یا نظریے کی؟


جس دور میں عورتوں کو کوئی حقوق حاصل نہیں تھے اس زمانے میں اسلام آیا اور اس نے عورتوں کے حقوق کی بات کی ....لیکن اگر مسلمان آج مغرب کو یہ جتلائیں کہ دیکھو اسلام نے بیوی کو وارثت میں آٹھواں حصہ دیا ہے.....بیٹی کا حصہ بڑھا کر آدھا کر دیا ہے ....عورتوں کی گواہی بڑھا کر آدھی کردی ہے ...تو مغربی ممالک کے لوگ ہم پر ہنسیں گے ....جو قوانین چھٹی صدی میں باقیوں سے کچھ بہتر تھے ...اکیسویں صدی میں باقیوں سے کہیں پیچھے ہیں اور انہیں بدلنے کی ضرورت ہے


اسی طرح عورتوں کو برقعے یا حجاب پہنا کر ...مردوں کی نظروں سے دور رکھ کر یہ کوشش کی گئی کہ شاید مرد کی ہوس کو ختم یا کم کیا جائے ....مقصد شاید معاشرے میں عورت کو مردوں سے محفوظ رکھنا تھا مگر کیا اس سے عورت محفوظ ہو گئی ہے؟ .....انسان میں سیکس کی طلب اس کی جبلت میں شامل ہے ...اس پر بند نہیں لگائے جاسکتے ......سنہری مسلم ادوار میں لونڈیوں کا کیا تصور تھا؟ آجکل بھی مدرسے کے مولوی حضرات کو عورت یا لونڈی میسر نہیں تو وہ بچوں پر ہاتھ صاف کر رہے ہیں....کتھولک پادریوں کو شادی اور سیکس کی اجازت نہیں لیکن ان کے بچوں کے استحصال کے کتنے کیسز سامنے آئے ہیں


لہذا سوچنے کی بات یہ ہے کہ کیا اسلام انسانی فطرت کے عین مطابق ہے؟



Well done!

Islam is all about rhetorics. Its a religion that believes in divide. From man to woman. From Muslim to Non-Muslim.
 

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Senator (1k+ posts)
This is what molvi says about islam! Quran clearly tells us to think about its verses! I can give you dozens of examples in which scientific facts are presented and reader is encoiraged to think about

No Scientific Facts are presented in Quran.

I encourage you to write more about it. Islamists have a tendency to stretch, alter, manipulate, and lie about Quranic verses and prove em Science.

Similar claims are made by others religions too. Christianity and Science, on this topic there's dozens of books. Similarly Hinduism and Science, Judaism and Science, all religions claim that their books presented Scientific Facts.

If you're really serious about discussing this very rhetorical claim of Islamists, please go ahead. I'll be with you all along in this discussion.

Fact is there's dozens of Ahadith and Quranic verses which are against Science and even common sense.
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No Scientific Facts are presented in Quran.

I encourage you to write more about it. Islamists have a tendency to stretch, alter, manipulate, and lie about Quranic verses and prove em Science.

Similar claims are made by others religions too. Christianity and Science, on this topic there's dozens of books. Similarly Hinduism and Science, Judaism and Science, all religions claim that their books presented Scientific Facts.

If you're really serious about discussing this very rhetorical claim of Islamists, please go ahead. I'll be with you all along in this discussion.

Fact is there's dozens of Ahadith and Quranic verses which are against Science and even common sense.

I will be happy if I could tell you something about Quran and Science

Lets start!
Do you know anything about radio activity? The elements which emmits radioactive rays automatically and decay by themself!
 

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Senator (1k+ posts)
I will be happy if I could tell you something about Quran and Science

Lets start!
Do you know anything about radio activity? The elements which emmits radioactive rays automatically and decay by themself!

What I know doesn't make a question.

Please relate a Scientific theory with the verses of Quran. I'll definitely comment.
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What I know doesn't make a question.

Please relate a Scientific theory with the verses of Quran. I'll definitely comment.

I was just trying to make friendly atmosphere! It seems my idea has back fired!:)

Anyway, lets continue!
Radioactivity has something to do with atomic number!
Elements with atomic number 84 or higher are radio active!
84th sorah name is inshaqaq meaning brraking, splitting. . . .
Is it a co incident only?
 

Afaq Chaudhry

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Are you sayin that as an Islamist, you can control death?

If you believe, just control yourself, control you body, change your mind, eyes,noze, everything, Allah has gifted you, just refuse and creat a human like yourself, i wait how your propeganda will go.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It would be unfair to name Islam only. I'm a fair person.

My intention is not to hurt your feelings but to bring forth the truth.

It wouldn't matter to me what you think or say. You don't have a monopoly on truth.Islam doesn't need my protection. As far as your post is concerned, It is not worth replying.
 

Username

Senator (1k+ posts)
I was just trying to make friendly atmosphere! It seems my idea has back fired!:)

Anyway, lets continue!
Radioactivity has something to do with atomic number!
Elements with atomic number 84 or higher are radio active!
84th sorah name is inshaqaq meaning brraking, splitting. . . .
Is it a co incident only?

Name of a Sorah is a Scientific revelation? Could it not be anything else?

Mate, you could do better. I thought you'd come up with those DNA and planets and their rotation type claims.

Let's analyse it this way.
Thousands of novels have been written about Aliens. Accidentally if we discover Aliens on a far off Planet, 1400 years from now, would we call these novels "books of Science", for they had talked about Aliens centuries ago?


Let's take another example, bro

2800 years ago Hesiod wrote Greek Mythology and told that humans were created with dirt and water. Quran borrowed the idea from him. Should we now claim that Quran has copied Greek Mythology?

There's dozens of other things that Quran borrowed from Byzantine and Rome. Should we not assume that Quran is a copy of Roman Model of Punishments?

All Punishments that Islam introduced dint exist in Arab, before. All of these were Roman Punishments. " Koray" was a Roman punishment. It dint exist in Arab before Islam.
 

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Senator (1k+ posts)
It wouldn't matter to me what you think or say. You don't have a monopoly on truth.Islam doesn't need my protection. As far as your post is concerned, It is not worth replying.

Truth?

You surprised me. I thought you were unaware of the existence of this word.

The only word you seemed to know was "Propaganda".
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Truth?

You surprised me. I thought you were unaware of the existence of this word.

The only word you seemed to know was "Propaganda".

Look smarty. I am not about to step in to your world . You seem to be experimenting too much with your little mind. I won't disturb your fantasy land. But a day when the real reckoning is due, I hope your experiment bear some fruit for you.
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Name of a Sorah is a Scientific revelation? Could it not be anything else?

Mate, you could do better. I thought you'd come up with those DNA and planets and their rotation type claims.

Let's analyse it this way.
Thousands of novels have been written about Aliens. Accidentally if we discover Aliens on a far off Planet, 1400 years from now, would we call these novels "books of Science", for they had talked about Aliens centuries ago?


Let's take another example, bro

2800 years ago Hesiod wrote Greek Mythology and told that humans were created with dirt and water. Quran borrowed the idea from him. Should we now claim that Quran has copied Greek Mythology?

There's dozens of other things that Quran borrowed from Byzantine and Rome. Should we not assume that Quran is a copy of Roman Model of Punishments?

All Punishments that Islam introduced dint exist in Arab, before. All of these were Roman Punishments. " Koray" was a Roman punishment. It dint exist in Arab before Islam.

Oh! Jumping to conclusion so soon? I just asked you whether you think it is a co incident or not! You could have said yes in a more decent way!

Do you alow me to continue?
 

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Senator (1k+ posts)
Look smarty. I am not about to step in to your world . You seem to be experimenting too much with your little mind. I won't disturb your fantasy land. But a day when the real reckoning is due, I hope your experiment bear some fruit for you.

I don't know what got you all riled up.

All the best wishes, if you've decided to live a life of sheer Ignorance under the umbrella of a religion.

Stay around. Trust me we won't kill over disagreements or over having a different opinion, unlike you. You're welcome to disagree, without any fear and consequences.
 

free_thinker

Councller (250+ posts)
Islam being compatible is probably the biggest joke muslims could come up with. Just take the idea of how life came to be (something that is very fundamental to inquiry about). Creation of planets/solar system and then evolution of life on it, an proven concept by science, is completely opposite of 6 days of creation story described in Quran (where the Eve was made from the rib of Adam). Muslims describe the earthquake as god wrath, whereas science tells you that it is a natural process which is result of tectonic plates movement (and earth is not the only place geologically active planet, btw, whats the point of quakes on other planets or moons, who is being punished there by god?)

The list of incompatibility between science and Islam is rather long. Another thing that boggles my mind is the tour of Prophet on small winged horse to heavens. That "miracle" can not possibly be explained via science, since we all know, there is no air in space (why the wings as the wings are needed to create lift where there is air?) no oxygen to breath, extreme solar radiation, no atmospheric pressure, extremely high or extremely low temperatures (depending if you are facing sun or not), all of these are instant killer for biological live form which is evolved on earth. To top that, the miracle also breached the known speed limit to science (the speed of light). The science tells you there is no heaven as far as the modern telescope can see, which is pretty close the beginning of universe (some 13 billion light years). What heaven did the prophet go to? how could he come back so quickly? How did he survive the space travel? All valid scientific questions, that can not be answered by Islam.


Anyone who thinks Islam and science is compatible, either does not have good understanding of Islam or the science.
 
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