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Wake up Pak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't understand how pti can lose all seats in Multan despite having 10+ MNA and MPA's from there...
9 out of ten winning independent candidates were in fact originally from pti. Unfortunately, the ticket distribution was not done right so they contested as independent. Also, the local MNA and MPA's did not put the efforts in as it was expected of them hence the disappointment.
 

Aristo

MPA (400+ posts)
Khosh k nahon ly ga koun??? Bcz according to Khan sahib Buzdar sahib ap itna kam karty hain pata nahi loagon ko nazar kyun nahi sta🤦 pata nahi koun c ghidar singhi hy Usman Buzdar sahib k pass b
I agree with the thread starter.
Given the results and the ground situation, its high time for the PTI provincial high ups to sit down and take stock of the ground situation with cool minds. Analyze the results critically, evaluate the reasons and the factors leading to this dismal performance and plan a viable strategy for course correction and then implement it. Local Bodies Polls are on the horizon and then the National Elections.
Living in fools paradise like Fawad Ch & Anwar Lodhi is a recipe for disaster.

کبوتر کی طرح آنکھیں بند کر لینے سے خطرہ ٹل نہیں جائے گا . ہوش کے ناخن لینے کی اشد ضرورت ہے
 

Fawad Javed

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Things are looking very bad.PTI is failing to win even in Multan.People who are on ground and can feel the pulse can tell that PTI has zero chance to win in Punjab in next general elections.Worse, Even their electable candidates might lose.

I have been talking about this for the past 2 years and plastic kay insafians who are blind followers just like patwaris were disagreeing with me well it's due to three key reasons,

1) Unable to control inflation especially prices of atta, cheeni, ghee and medicines etc

2) No reforms in government institutions Police, Judiciary, hospitals etc

3) appointing incompetent people on key positions for example Buzdar

PTI lost 8 out of 9 by-elections in Punjab it's unprecedented in the history of Pakistan
 

Fawad Javed

Minister (2k+ posts)
9 out of ten winning independent candidates were in fact originally from pti. Unfortunately, the ticket distribution was not done right so they contested as independent. Also, the local MNA and MPA's did not put the efforts in as it was expected of them hence the disappointment.
hahhahahahhahaha

I am listening this since 2013 elections ticket distribution were not done right ager Khan saab ye be nai ker sakty tu 22 saal ke struggle say kea seekha hai
 

Fawad Javed

Minister (2k+ posts)
آخر پورے تین سال کی ان تھک دن رات کی مہا پرش بزدار آف تونسہ کیُ پی ٹی آئی کو پنجاب میں ڈبونے کی محنت کچھ نہ کچھ کامیاب ہوگئی اور رنگ لے ہی آئی
بزدار کو بہت بہت مبارک ہو عمران خان کی پچیس سال کو محنت اور کامیابی کو اتنی خوبصورتی اور آسانی کے ساتھ ایل لگانے کی
پی ٹی آئی والو بزدار اور پھوپھڑ مبارک ہوں آپ لوگوں کو
oh bhai why blaming Buzdar? it's not his fault it's IK's fault who selected him for CMship
 

Jaanbaazkarachi

MPA (400+ posts)
ایک دفا پھر وہی رونا ہورہا ہے پی ٹی آئ کے سپورٹرز کی طرف سے حالانکہ نتائج بلکل اسکے برعکس ہیں، جناب رونے دھونے سے پہلے زمینی حقائق کو دیکھ لیا کریں، پاکستان تحریک انصاف نے پورے پاکستان سے ان الیکشن ان ووٹ حاصل کیے ہیں اور اب بھی سب سے بڑی پارٹی بن کر سامنے آئ ہے جب کے پاکستان مسلم لیگ نون صرف پنجاب تک محدود ہو کر رہ گئی ہے.

یہ مسلم لیگ نوں کیلئے لمحہ فکریہ ہونا چاہیے نا کے پاکستان تحریک انصاف کیلئے جو کے ان انتخابات میں جیت چکی ہے.،

تو میرے تمام انصافی دوست ٹھنڈے ہوجائیں اور فکر مکاوا ،..،پروپیگنڈہ کا شکار ہوکر اول فول بکنے سے صرف آپکو ہی نقصان ہوگا اور اسی کیلئے اس طرح کا پروپیگنڈہ کیا جاتا ہے کے آپ کی طاقت کو توڑا جاسکے.
 

Wake up Pak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Rawalpindi, Lahore and Multan
hahhahahahhahaha

I am listening this since 2013 elections ticket distribution were not done right ager Khan saab ye be nai ker sakty tu 22 saal ke struggle say kea seekha hai
Don't you worry, InshaAllah in the next general elections, PTI will clean sweep it.
 

Hussain1967

Minister (2k+ posts)
I agree with the thread starter.
Given the results and the ground situation, its high time for the PTI provincial high ups to sit down and take stock of the ground situation with cool minds. Analyze the results critically, evaluate the reasons and the factors leading to this dismal performance and plan a viable strategy for course correction and then implement it. Local Bodies Polls are on the horizon and then the National Elections.
Living in fools paradise like Fawad Ch & Anwar Lodhi is a recipe for disaster.

کبوتر کی طرح آنکھیں بند کر لینے سے خطرہ ٹل نہیں جائے گا . ہوش کے ناخن لینے کی اشد ضرورت ہے
Wasim Akram plus kay hotay howay aap Punjab mein nahin jeet saktay.
 

Hussain1967

Minister (2k+ posts)
Remember, cantonments have a good number of serving and retired military personnel who have been PTI supporters for the past 10 years or so. Let general Local bodies elections take place and PTI’s fate will be sealed in Punjab. There are two killers for PTI in Punjab. One is known as inflation. Other is known as Wasim Akram plus.
 

Zeb

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Hats off to people who still support PMLN and PPP. I mean one has to wonder what kind of dumbf**ks cant understand that the corruption these parties have done, oh well the type of dumbf**ks who enjoy "HARAAM MAAL"

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Pakistan will remain Beggaristan until these assholes are savagely beaten and pulled out of the stone age, now you know why pmln and ppp dont want people to have an education in Pakistan because then they would be too intelligent to vote for the haramis that choad this country.
 

Desprado

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is a matter of grave concern for PTI.
It needs to be evaluated by higher ups as we have less then 2 years to work something out.
Two scenarios come to mind.
Noon has deep rooted support for them
Or Biryani and qeemay walay naan does the magic.
Anyhow, overall we did pretty well but there is always room for improvement.
I told some kids not everything right. Until Reza Baqir, Usman Buzdar and Shaukat Tarin is there PTI will not even win UC elections leave alone 2023 election.
 

Desprado

Minister (2k+ posts)
Well, If we are being real then corruption rate has only increased now and graduates has no government jobs available for last three years.Inflation is at record high and poor can't even afford to eat.I know the reasons behind them but ordinary person don't.

Not to mention, Educated youth voted for pti for change and there is no change in sight.PTI did not even start.No chance in police, Health, Bureaucracy, Patwari etc.IMO, PTI was focused on wrong things from start.There is no way to stop inflation.It should have focused on it's promise of change and should have done reforms.
You nalied it. People are tired of Imran Khan and blame everything previous government and him slef does nothing to make thing right.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What has been explained already in detail brings us to question, why God has created things and particularly human beings? As explained already by me in my various posts, God decided to express himself and he did so in two ways ie through creation and revelation.

1)God gave human beings abilities to understand creation and revelation but he left it entirely up to them to do so. The reason God gave freedom of choice to people and created them knowing nothing at all is so that people self program and find out all by themselves about God and things freely so that they could appreciate God if they so choose or do their own things,

2)God created human beings and gave them a task to complete or set them a goal to achieve for which he put mankind through a constant struggle. The question is, what is that assignment from God for human beings? It is to turn this world into a paradise for themselves with help and full support of each other according to the guidance provided for them by God himself. What is in it for human beings? A great life in this world for human beings as well as a reward for them for doing so in hereafter as well.

3)What is in it for God? Appreciation by human beings as God wanted for himself due to which he expressed himself and created all things including human beings. This is why human beings think of God as a being full of nothing but goodness through and through. First of all God is appreciated or highly valued or regarded because he has guided humanity towards a great life in this world and once human beings follow that guidance and create that kind of life for themselves they will appreciate God yet more but things do not end there rather God also appreciates his human creatures for doing what he wanted them to do. The day all this happens humanity will be happy with its God and God will be happy with his human creatures because God and people together will have achieved their intended end goal. This is all what this creation is all about according to the quranic teaching.

4)Now the question, how people are going to do that? They are going to do that by organising and regulating themselves for this assignment given to them by God via the quran. To organise and regulate themselves into a proper human community people need a proper constitution with its proper laws. From where this proper constitution and its proper laws are supposed to come? They will come from the quran itself. How?

Before I explain all that one has to understand what a proper constitution is about and what are proper laws of a constitution about. One has to understand that a constitution starts with aims and objectives. Why? Because aims and objectives decide where a people based upon the constitution are supposed to be heading or trying to reach in their journey or what they are intending or trying to achieve by following this constitution.

5)The quran decides aims and objectives of an islamic constitution in this age and it tells people the over all aim or objective set for people is to turn this world into a paradise for themselves for sake of God. The aims or objectives are decided by purpose for which God has revealed the quran or his earlier messages and for which God has created all things including human beings. No other aim or objective can be set in this constitution which could contradict its this main aim and objective.

Since we have the main aim and objective then all other aims and objective or laws will have to be made consistent with the main aim and objective. This is to ensure that all people who agree with message in the quran go in the very same direction for accomplishing or fulfilling or reaching the very same goal the same end or destination. Those who disagree with the message in the quran they can do whatever they like and face the consequences for doing so.

6)Turning to formation of laws or legislation the question arises what are guidelines in the quran for making proper laws for the quran based constitution? All one needs to do is pick out all the commandment from the quran which tell its supporters to do all they can according to the best of their God given abilities for ensuring well being of humanity as a whole just for sake of God alone without looking for rewards from each other. That is because all of us are creation of God regardless we support the quran due its proper understanding or oppose it due to our ignorance and foolishness. God has already provided all things we need for creating the best possible world for ourselves for as long as it will last.

Since God has provided us with all we need for the purpose of creating the best possible world therefore ball is in our court to get up and get on with doing what is expected of us by God. God has given us all we needed free of charge but just for fulfilling his assigned task or assignment. This is why to mismanage things has serious and severe consequences for us human beings as a hugely large human family. We can make lives of each other a paradise as well as a hell. We need to educate ourselves fully about program of God so that we could come together and make this world a paradise for all of us. This is what actual deen of islam is all about rest is all false propaganda by slaves of ruling elite, money lending elite and mullaans the religious elite and their touts and following.

Next, pick all the commandment of God from the quran which tell people do not do anything to anyone which may bring harm or destruction to them but do so just for sake of God alone and not for profiting from anyone else. Now we have what we can call actual sharia law based upon the quran itself. No need to detail here again how many departments do we need to make of a governing body nor how many layers of governing body or how office holders are supposed to be selected and elected or appointed by ummah itself etc etc or what are their rights and responsibilities etc etc. They are all easy to work out because they are dictated by needs of a proper human community that has comes together or will come together for building such a human society.

This is the actual sharia law based upon the quranic guidelines. Now that we have sharia law the question arises, how can we bring about the kingdom of God? Simply by learning actual message of the quran properly and spreading it worldwide then let people decide whether they wish to live by rule of law of God as it is told in the quran or do they wish to live by different versions of religion and secularism. However before people make that choice it is absolutely necessary to explain what different versions of religion and secularism are all about so that people could make real comparison between actual way of life called deen of islam and religion and secularism. This should clearly show why deen of islam can completely eradicate poverty and disease but religion and secularism can never do so. They if anything are causes of poverty and diseases and all other kind of problems humanity is living through right now.

7)Since we are mainly talking about islam here so it is important that one should come to know what is problem with religion called islam. Religion islam is mullaan creation on behest of rulers and money lenders. Why that is the case? It is because according to mullaans' their islam has five main pillars to which all else is secondary, namely belief in pooja of only one deity. Pooja or poja or puja is rituals performed to show respect to one deity. The other pillar of islam is called pooja or prayer ie flattering deity and asking for favours of the deity. Yet another pillar is called fasting from dawn till sunset daily for one month in the month of ramadan. Another pillar is called paying 2.5% of one's wealth each year to poor people. Last pillar is about visiting a small building called kaaba in makkah saudi arabia.

From these most important things upon which mullaans' islam is based or founded or rests that are called pillars of islam, can anyone see anything that deals with real world's real problems which humanity faces? No. So what such religion can offer humanity so that it could be worth it for them to accept this sort of islam? Absolutely nothing. The other problem is with the mass of literature mullaans have produced for their blind followers to read through to get hang of what beliefs and the stated rituals are about. All this takes people away from what they are actually supposed to be doing for putting food on their tables. This is how almost all muslims normally waste away their lives.

Yet mullaans and their blind followers dare claim their islam is the best thing in the world because it has solutions for all human problems. The question is, something that does not deem real world important how can it solve problems humanity has if it does not deal with them as something important to begin with? This clearly shows how mullaans' claim about their islam is totally false. Any other religion also has alike problems because religions by their very nature do not deal with real world issues. A clear proof against all religion that they are not from God but they are man made to fool humanity about God and this clearly points to people who have invented and established them ie those who directly benefit from all this carry on by all versions of religion ie the rulers and money lenders.

8)Now that we know what is mainly wrong with all versions of religion ie they do not give priority to life in this world let us now turn to different versions of secularism. It is absolutely necessary to do that because secularists also claim they can make human world better. Let us talk about capitalist secularists. Just one question, how can anyone who is a capitalist make this world a better place for humanity when it is all about negative competition or rivalries which creates enemies or animosities not friends or friendships? This is a clear cut way of dividing people and ruling them by fooling them through false hopes. This is why all politicians and economist lie to people giving them false hopes for their future due to their own ignorance and foolishness and stupidity. Secularism is nothing more than power struggle between people be it in form of capitalism or communism or for that matter socialism.

In this way of life people just struggle against each other to try to reach the top by undermining each other which creates a few billionaires at the expense of all the rest who are dispossessed by this system of competition and governance. Read what i have already explained how these people set up charities and pay their taxes etc etc just to buy peace for themselves that is not real. If it was real they will not be wearing bullet proof vests and travelling in bullet proof vehicles with armed body guards. Is anyone really happy in this way of life? No. Many are on various kinds of drugs to avoid depression or to get through their depression if they have fallen into it. Just as capitalism is merely abusive use of human beings by way of money mechanism communism is exactly the same but uses position of power for abusive use of weaker members of the community. As for as socialism, it is only a mixture of the two explained whereby people are abusively used by both position of power and money power.

This is how secular ways of life waste so many lives that fail to go up the ladder of what they call success. If we look at the real world situation capitalism and communism have ruined human world throughout world. So much of the talent human beings are born with to be able to do good for sake of God is wasted through negative competition that keeps people busy in fighting with each other all the time anywhere and everywhere throughout the human world. In secularist ideologies there is no incentive for people to do anything for anyone other than one having power or money for oneself and that is why these systems are based upon selfishness and greed. This is why only and only proper islamic system has a very different base or foundation for humanity to stand upon and look at things from that point of view. If people can die for God or can kill for God as the perception is created by secularists and mullaans alike then why can't they do what God really asks them to do? If God and his set out main goal is the real incentive for mankind then why not adopt the system God has revealed for humanity to govern itself by?

This is why people who willfully live by secularism cannot be Godly people at all but they can only and only pretend to be. This is how religious versions come to their aid by introducing a special kind of God who does not mind people using each other abusively because this God is very forgiving and all people need to do is ask God for forgiveness and all is forgiven. Not only that there is a belief about intercession as well by so called Godly people or holy men for the sinners. So one should be able see where all this leads humanity at the end of the day despite all the claims that are made by religious and secular people.

9) Now that we can see how secularists do things ie use three economic models a)capitalism b)communism and c) socialism. Wherever we have these systems they cannot help eliminate poverty like the model given in the quran? Why not? Because they are founded upon the idea of negative competition between people. This is why they turn the whole issue into a terrible power struggle or war for getting power between individuals instead of well being of all human beings in a sensible way or the way the quran guides. In a capitalist system only rich people can dictate things and all the rest have no freedom to do anything at all other than obey what is dictated or suffer the consequences. That is because only money talks or dictates things in this system and nothing else.

In a communist system only the people in the position of authority have power and rest must fall in line as dictated because its position of power that talks or dictates things. The mixed economy system is called socialist system which is a mixture of both capitalist and communist systems so people are abused both ways in this system as a way of life. This is why only rich get richer or powerful get more powerful because that is the way all these systems are set up to work till nature strikes and things get out of control of humanity altogether.

10) This should clearly explain to people why people like mullaans are employed by all of these secularists to make and keep masses foolish on behalf of capitalists or communists or socialists. This is why mullaans are stooges of rulers and money lenders who for this like reasons misinterpret the quran to keep people confused so that secularists could have their way for as long as masses remain foolish or stupid and they keep believing all the rubbish rulers, money lenders and mullaans tell them.

From all this explanation one should be able to see clearly why one cannot put food on the table merely by living by a version of religion alone and praying to God etc etc, because God does not throw food for people as individuals from the heavens. This is why religion and secularism work in partnership with each other for using masses abusively by keeping them confused for as long as they can. It is because God has already assigned a goal to accomplish for mankind and he has already given them for it all they needed so what is point of asking God again and again for things which he has already given to people for fulfilling his mission? Religion and secularism are made to appear to be two separate things that are always at the throat of each other but the truth is they are both in bed with each other and I have already clearly explained problems with them else where as well. Mainly they are two sides of the very same coin. Why? Because religions deals with God department through religious leaders whereby people use each other abusively in the name of God and God gets all the blame for their horrible thoughts and actions against each other. Secularism deals with worldly matters through secular leaders ie they set up things for people as to how they get food on their tables by controlling their livelihood etc etc.

However once true interpretation of the quran shows up and people are educated enough to be able to understand things for themselves then world is going to change for the better all of a sudden. So if masses want a better world for themselves the only way they can get it is by way of studying the quranic way of life properly as well as all other ways of life so that they could see the real difference between deen of islam and all the rest of ways of life. The sooner they will do this the sooner this nightmare they are going through will end otherwise it will continue no matter what people do just as it has been going on for so long. Some people have multiple phds but yet they lack real knowledge that is absolutely necessary for them to have. This should also explain why people always talk against the quran and quran based islam and why mullaans have misinterpreted the quran the way they did. Actual deen of islam as I have explained it here is a very simple and straightforward thing. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
 

Awan S

Minister (2k+ posts)
PTI clean sweep in Jehlum, Kharian and Gujranwala. And this Phatwari is saying alarming results for PTI. PTI emerged as largest party by winning most seats, independents second( majority are PTI members as they were denied ticket) and Lootia league only won in Lahore 🤭
Seriously PML(N) only won in Lahore?
Here are final numbers from Punjab
PML(N) 51
Independents 32
PTI 28
JI 2
PPP 0
 

Desprado

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is a matter of grave concern for PTI.
It needs to be evaluated by higher ups as we have less then 2 years to work something out.
Two scenarios come to mind.
Noon has deep rooted support for them
Or Biryani and qeemay walay naan does the magic.
Anyhow, overall we did pretty well but there is always room for improvement.
Stops making jokes. People only care about inflation and PTI is the core reason for Inflation in Pakistan. PTI can only win if stop devalution because 99% industries are dependent on imports. Weak currency more inflatiion and more inflation more loss like this.
 
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