World Bank: World's Largest Number of Poor Live in India

RiazHaq

Senator (1k+ posts)
India has 17% of the world's population and 33% of the world's poor, ranking #1 in poverty.

Pakistan has 3% of the world population and 3% of the world's poor, ranking #7 in poverty.

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http://www.riazhaq.com/2010/08/63-years-after-independence-india.html
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thanks Riaz BHai ...:)...some indians here love to boast about some recent call-center dollars they've made on the backs of the poor working class in India and are shamelessly spending it in arming other countries for more conflict. They would be better advised to look at this chart and start worrying about those poor who live in conditions worse than sub-saharan africa :)
 

Khayali

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Riyaz bhai salam aap ko is forum pe dekh jar buhat khushi hoi. Mein aap k blog parta rehta hoon aur yaqeen janiye aap k liye dil se dua nikalti hai k Allah aap ko sehat o tandrusti k sath lambi umer de. Aap jis tarha apney blogs k zariye pakistan ka diffa kartey hein woh iss watan k nojawano k liye mashel-a-rah hai. iss forum k un tamam doston se bhi guzarish hai Jo is mahaz PE larna chahtey Hein woh aap k blogs ka mutalah kertey rahein kiyon k unko aap k blogs se buhat kuch seekhney ko Miley ga. Allah aap ko hamesha khush aur apni hifzo aman mein rakhey aameen.
 

RiazHaq

Senator (1k+ posts)
With nearly a fourth of its 1.1 billion popu-lation hungry, India indeed is the world’s hunger capital.


As more and more reports of the global financial meltdown are pouring in, digest this. It made the world scurry to a grim one billion hungry people, a fact perceived as a grave threat to global peace and security. The UN estimates that hunger now affects one in six people, compounded by factors such as war, drought or floods, high food prices and poverty. Most of the hunger in a world of plenty results from grinding, deep-rooted poverty.

According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), there are 100 million more hungry people this year, meaning they consume fewer than 1,800 calories a day. A spokesman of the World Food Programme said hungry people rioted in at least 30 countries last year, leading to, most notably, deadly riots in Haiti sparked off by soaring food prices to spiral into the overthrow of the prime minister.

“A hungry world is a dangerous world,” he said, “without food, people have only three options: They riot, they emigrate or they die. None of these are acceptable options.” Are not the Kalahandi district of Orissa and Lalgarh of West Bengal illustrative examples of the observation?

Absent State

Commentators note that in the 1990s, when India began to move towards a free market, the Naxalite movement revived in some of the poorest and most populous Indian states. Part of the reason for this is that some livelihood and living-related issues like agriculture, public health, education and poverty-eradication have been given a short shrift, exposing large sections of the population to disease, debt, hunger and starvation. The Indian state is conspicuously absent in most backward areas of the country.






Notwithstanding plaudits such as Thomas Friedman celebrating India as a success story of globalisation, it must be put on record that India has a terrible record in tackling hunger and malnutrition. Amartya Sen has repeatedly pointed out how the ‘very poor’ in India get a small share of the cake that information technology and related developments generate.

India ranked 66th on the 2008 Global Hunger Index of 88 countries, as per a report released by the Washington-based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI).
India has the highest number of undernourished people in the world — 230 million — added to which 1.5 million children are at risk of becoming malnourished because of rising global food prices.

The report of the UN World Food Programme is quite unflattering. More than 27 per cent of the world’s undernourished population lives in India, of whom 43 per cent children (under five years) are underweight. The figure is higher than the global average of 25 per cent and even beats sub-Saharan Africa’s figure of 28 per cent. Nearly 50 per cent of child deaths in India occur due to malnutrition.

Left out
“In no case should we allow citizens to go hungry,” Prime Minister Manmohan Singh admirably said in a meeting of state chief secretaries to take stock of the drought-like conditions in parts of the country. He seemed to be aware that non-utilisation of funds by a few states under Rashtriya Krishi Vikas Yojna and National Food Security Mission, the two major schemes for the agriculture sector launched by the Centre, is another factor why, despite the element of goodwill, the target beneficiaries remain outside the loop of development.

The National Food Security Act of the UPA government is a step in the right direction as it envisages food-security-for-all. But the task of expanding our public distribution system must also take into account weeding out bogus cardholders and hoarders, while a stricter vigil has to be kept on both the quantity and quality of the available foodstock under PDS. Incorrect information, inaccurate measurement of household characteristics, corruption and inefficiency must be plugged.

Since independence, the government has formulated more than 50 programmes targeting the poor to alleviate poverty. The real challenge facing India today is making wealth and entitlements not a monopoly of a clique of super elites.

The revamped version of the Garibi Hatao programme in 2007 listed farmer support, food security, housing for all, labour welfare, development of backward areas and e-governance. But we seem to suffer from known pathogens year after year. Hunger and poverty must end and we need not only goodwill but a vigorous state mechanism to ensure that.



http://www.deccanherald.com/content/21720/india-still-worlds-hunger-capital.html
 

RiazHaq

Senator (1k+ posts)
The 2013 GHI says that in India the proportion of undernourished declined from about 21% of the population to 17.5%, the proportion of underweight children declined from 43.5% to about 40% and under-five mortality declined from 7.5% to about 6%. All this put together means that the hunger index for India declined from 24 to 21 between 2003-07 and 2008-12. The proportion of underweight children is an estimate done by IFPRI as the last survey was done in 2004-05.

In other words, the proportions and the index for India are at best an approximation. Other surveys done more recently have shown trends that indicate that the nutritive value of food consumed per person is dipping. A recent survey of consumer expenditure said that nutritional intake measured in terms of calories declined from 2,153 kilocalories (Kcal) per person per day in 1993-94 to 2,020 in 2009-10 in rural areas and from 2,071 to 1,946 Kcal in urban areas. These shocking results are according to a report of the 66th round of survey done by the National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO). Even between 2004-05 and 2009-10, the calorie intake per person per day dipped from 2,047 to 2,020 in rural areas and from 2,020 to 1,946 in urban areas.



Despite these caveats regarding the GHI data, India still continues in the "Alarming" category of countries classified by severity of hunger. That puts it in the category where the hunger index is between 20 and 29.9. Others in this category are Ethiopia, Sudan, Congo, Chad, Niger, and other African countries. These are places ravaged by resource wars and extreme poverty, and they make up the bottom most bunch in the Human Development Index rankings. Meanwhile, an October report on food prospects issued by FAO forecast a record cereal harvest for 2013 powered by a 7% increase in production over 2012. Wheat output is estimated at 705 million metric tons (MMT), a record. Coarse grains output is put at 1,288 MMT, another record. And rice output is estimated at 496 MMT, yet another record. Wheat prices have declined in international markets by 16% over last year, rice prices are down 23% and maize prices by 35%, according to FAO's price monitor in October quoting prices for September 2013. With huge production and declining prices worldwide, why the world's hungry are not getting enough food is a conundrum that policy makers and experts are groping to answer.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-home-to-a-quarter-of-the-worlds-hungry-Global-Hunger-Index-report/articleshow/24171694.cms
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yeh riaz uncle apna khud ka blog chalate hain. Aur inka kaam ek hee hai India ko galiya dena. Pakistan ki poverty se zyda interest inko India main hain aur khud rehte hai PHOREN me. Whatever he says just ignore it. He is a biased person who has no interest in pakistan and anybody who is pasting articles from his own blog needs to be ignored. Kaunsa teer marliya times of india ke articles chapkar isne. Yeh to modern.fakir bhi karta hai. Isme kaunsi badi baat hai. Time Wasters.

barkhurdaar thak gaye kya?......
 
barkhurdaar thak gaye kya?......

Yeh riaz uncle apna khud ka blog chalate hain. Aur inka kaam ek hee hai India ko galiya dena. Pakistan ki poverty se zyda interest inko India main hain aur khud rehte hai PHOREN me. Whatever he says just ignore it. He is a biased person who has no interest in pakistan and anybody who is pasting articles from his own blog needs to be ignored. Kaunsa teer marliya times of india ke articles chapkar isne. Yeh to modern.fakir bhi karta hai. Isme kaunsi badi baat hai. Time Wasters.



ha ha ha...............:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

tum logo ko kya pata ? riaz bhai jaise log na hote to pakistan itna khushaal aur amir mulq kaise ban jata ?
badi power hai riaz bhai jaise logo ke blogs me ,ek ek blog me aisi khubia hai ki yeha use asani se elaborate nahi kiya ja sakta hai.phir bhi koshish karta hu.

riaz bhai ke blogs se yeh sab ho sakta hai

1. crores mega watt ke bijalighar banaye jaate hai (bigsmile)
2.hospital school research centre inhi se banaye jaate hai (bigsmile)
3. blogs se dollar ,euro bhi banaye jaate hai. (bigsmile)
4.riaz bhaee ke blogs se petrol bhi banaya gaya hai ,pakistani apni gadi me yahi riaz bhaee ka petrol istemaal karte hai , lekin is raz ko duniya se chhupaya hua hai.(bigsmile)
5.laal topi wale ek bujurg to bataate hai ,pakistan army ab blogs se tank ,fighter jets , naval carrier ships tak banaya gaya hai.(bigsmile)
 
Riyaz bhai salam aap ko is forum pe dekh jar buhat khushi hoi. Mein aap k blog parta rehta hoon aur yaqeen janiye aap k liye dil se dua nikalti hai k Allah aap ko sehat o tandrusti k sath lambi umer de. Aap jis tarha apney blogs k zariye pakistan ka diffa kartey hein woh iss watan k nojawano k liye mashel-a-rah hai. iss forum k un tamam doston se bhi guzarish hai Jo is mahaz PE larna chahtey Hein woh aap k blogs ka mutalah kertey rahein kiyon k unko aap k blogs se buhat kuch seekhney ko Miley ga. Allah aap ko hamesha khush aur apni hifzo aman mein rakhey aameen.


riaz bhai ne to times of india chep diya hai , is mamle me chaepne me @modern.faker jaisa abhi tak dusara paida nahi hua .

chepte raho ,teepte raho. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ha jo bhi bhala bura hai riaz chacha jaanta hai(only India please). Bande ke dil me kya hai riaz bhai jaanta hai (only India please). Pakistan me dudh ke nadiya behti thi islie yeh pardes ja base hain. Aur ab waha se inki teekhi nazar sirf aur sirf India par hoti hai. Shayad waha khud ko Indian bolte bolte bhul gaye hai ki ye Indian nahi hai. Pakistan ke poverty ke photo inse hazam nahi hote islie India par nazare karam hai inka. modern.fakir inka shagird hai. Woh bhi soch raha hai main kaise phoren jau? Riaz chacha madad karen please [hilar]

ha ha ha...............:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

tum logo ko kya pata ? riaz bhai jaise log na hote to pakistan itna khushaal aur amir mulq kaise ban jata ?
badi power hai riaz bhai jaise logo ke blogs me ,ek ek blog me aisi khubia hai ki yeha use asani se elaborate nahi kiya ja sakta hai.phir bhi koshish karta hu.

riaz bhai ke blogs se yeh sab ho sakta hai

1. crores mega watt ke bijalighar banaye jaate hai (bigsmile)
2.hospital school research centre inhi se banaye jaate hai (bigsmile)
3. blogs se dollar ,euro bhi banaye jaate hai. (bigsmile)
4.riaz bhaee ke blogs se petrol bhi banaya gaya hai ,pakistani apni gadi me yahi riaz bhaee ka petrol istemaal karte hai , lekin is raz ko duniya se chhupaya hua hai.(bigsmile)
5.laal topi wale ek bujurg to bataate hai ,pakistan army ab blogs se tank ,fighter jets , naval carrier ships tak banaya gaya hai.(bigsmile)
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hahaha. modern fakir ne times of india ko jitni izzat di hai, utni to hamne bhi kabhi nahi di. Bhala ho vineet jain ka jisne online edition nikalkar ek nayi ghulami ki chabi pakda di hai fakir jaiso ko. [hilar]

riaz bhai ne to times of india chep diya hai , is mamle me chaepne me @modern.faker jaisa abhi tak dusara paida nahi hua .

chepte raho ,teepte raho. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

Khayali

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Yeh riaz uncle apna khud ka blog chalate hain. Aur inka kaam ek hee hai India ko galiya dena. Pakistan ki poverty se zyda interest inko India main hain aur khud rehte hai PHOREN me. Whatever he says just ignore it. He is a biased person who has no interest in pakistan and anybody who is pasting articles from his own blog needs to be ignored. Kaunsa teer marliya times of india ke articles chapkar isne. Yeh to modern.fakir bhi karta hai. Isme kaunsi badi baat hai. Time Wasters.
mutarma chand bibi agar aap ko koi aaina dikhai tu woh aap ko galiyan nazar aati hein to mera mshwarah hai k aainey ka samna na kiya karin dimaghi khalfshar mien mubtla honey se aap dono behan bhai bachh jaein ge.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Aaina kya sirf India ko dikhane wale ho ? Apne aap ko kab dikhaoge aaina? Pakistan me India ke siwai koi masla nahi hai aisa ab mujhe lagne laga hai.India ke problems yaha dikhakar pakistan ka kya fayda hota hai? Pakistan failed state no 13 hai , uske bare me to koi yaha baat nahi karta. India ki poverty levels 2015 tak drastically cut ho jayenge. Not only that the outlook for India is bright in all respects. You guys don't have any vision for the future that is why you are always harping on negative and try to drag India in to your negativity. Ankhe kholo aur padho kya likha gaya hai. While there are definitely challenges ahead and we don't claim to be perfect but India has a plan and it is working. Aap sirf India ko aaina dikhana. Ab ye aaina jo main dikha rahi hu achi tarah se jagte hue padhna.


According to a 2011 poverty Development Goals Report, as many as 320 million people in India and China are expected to come out of extreme poverty in the next four years, with India's poverty rate projected to drop from 51% in 1990 to about 22% in 2015.The report also indicates that in Southern Asia, only India is on track to cut poverty by half by the 2015 target date.



Ending poverty: targeting investments at the poorest people

We explored all the different sources of money that can be used to end poverty by 2030 in our recent blogs ‘Ending poverty: where will the money come from?’ and ‘Ending poverty: getting the most from aid’. We now want to look at how this money can be targeted at the poorest people to have the most impact and achieve our goal to end extreme poverty by 2030. But to make sure that help gets to the poorest people we need to know where they are, and where they are likely to be in 2030.
Between 1990 and 2010, extreme poverty was cut in half. Explore plausible poverty outcomes for 2030 based on models of consumption.

For more information and to view more data visualisations please visit www.devinit.org
These projections are based on Chandy, Ledlie and Penciakova, The Final Countdown: Prospects for Ending Extreme Poverty by 2030 (2013).
Our interactive tool allows you to explore three scenarios for the future of extreme poverty levels both globally and by region up to 2030.
What will poverty look like globally?
By 2030, you can see that the total number of people living in extreme poverty globally is set to fall. The Brookings Institution suggests that the number of people living in extreme poverty by 2030 could fall to anywhere between 100 million and 1 billion people. As discussed in our first blog on ‘10 things to do to end extreme poverty by 2030′ – this will largely depend on how the benefits of growth are shared with the poorest people.
The number of people in extreme poverty in 2030 could be anywhere between 100 million and more than 1 billion
People in extreme poverty (billions), 1990–2030
mOEBrlD.jpg


What will poverty look like in different regions?
The interactive tool shows that the regional distribution of poverty is set to shift and is evolving quickly. South Asia is currently home to the largest number of extremely poor people, followed by sub-Saharan Africa. In 2010, India alone was home to a third of the world’s extreme p oor people.

But by 2015, sub-Saharan Africa is set to overtake South Asia as the continent home to the largest number of extremely poor people. In the worst-case scenario, there will be over a billion people in extreme poverty in 2030, almost half (49%) of whom would be in Sub-Saharan Africa. While only around 100 million people would remain in extreme poverty in the best-case scenario, almost all would be in sub-Saharan Africa.

The East Asia and Pacific region in contrast appears to be broadly on track for ending extreme poverty by 2030 – particularly in China and Indonesia – and the numbers look set to fall dramatically in South Asia, particularly in India.

What does poverty look like within regions?

As poverty levels vary between regions, they also vary within regions. In sub-Saharan Africa the average incomes of people living in extreme poverty range from as low as $0.53 a day in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Malawi (well below the extreme poverty line of $1.25 a day) up to $1.10 a day in Cameroon (much closer to the extreme poverty line).
Average incomes of extremely poor people in Africa are often far below the $1.25 a day poverty line
Average daily consumption of people living on less than $1.25 a day, 2005 PPP$, 2010
La4LCRz.jpg

Even in countries with the fastest growth levels, like India, there are people living in pockets of extreme poverty. While India is referred to as a middle income country, 11 of its states – including Uttar Pradesh and Bihar – would themselves rank among the 20 poorest countries in the world.
So what does this mean for targeting investments at the poorest people?
Now that we know where the poorest people are, and are set to be in 2030, we have a better idea of how we need to allocate money to have the greatest impact on poverty. To get to zero poverty, we need to target resources at sub-Saharan Africa but not forget the people living in the pockets of extreme poverty in middle income countries.
Can we get better at measuring poverty?
To end extreme poverty by 2030 and target money where the need is greatest, we need to get better at measuring poverty. National income and consumption levels are currently the most common measures of poverty. But poverty is not only about income but also wider issues such as access to water, basic health, education and housing.
So, we need to get better at measuring these wider aspects of poverty; producing information on the distribution of poverty within countries, down to the village level; and using more accurate data collection sources and methods. Our next and final blog on ‘Ending Poverty: time for a data revolution’ will explore the need for better data on poverty in more detail.
Sign the petition to call on every country to commit to support all efforts to end extreme poverty by 2030.
By Sarah Dalrymple, Advocacy & Engagement Advisor | Development Intiatives


mutarma chand bibi agar aap ko koi aaina dikhai tu woh aap ko galiyan nazar aati hein to mera mshwarah hai k aainey ka samna na kiya karin dimaghi khalfshar mien mubtla honey se aap dono behan bhai bachh jaein ge.
 

Khayali

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Aaina kya sirf India ko dikhane wale ho ? Apne aap ko kab dikhaoge aaina? Pakistan me India ke siwai koi masla nahi hai aisa ab mujhe lagne laga hai.India ke problems yaha dikhakar pakistan ka kya fayda hota hai? Pakistan failed state no 13 hai , uske bare me to koi yaha baat nahi karta. India ki poverty levels 2015 tak drastically cut ho jayenge. Not only that the outlook for India is bright in all respects. You guys don't have any vision for the future that is why you are always harping on negative and try to drag India in to your negativity. Ankhe kholo aur padho kya likha gaya hai. While there are definitely challenges ahead and we don't claim to be perfect but India has a plan and it is working. Aap sirf India ko aaina dikhana. Ab ye aaina jo main dikha rahi hu achi tarah se jagte hue padhna.


According to a 2011 poverty Development Goals Report, as many as 320 million people in India and China are expected to come out of extreme poverty in the next four years, with India's poverty rate projected to drop from 51% in 1990 to about 22% in 2015.The report also indicates that in Southern Asia, only India is on track to cut poverty by half by the 2015 target date.



Ending poverty: targeting investments at the poorest people

We explored all the different sources of money that can be used to end poverty by 2030 in our recent blogs Ending poverty: where will the money come from? and Ending poverty: getting the most from aid. We now want to look at how this money can be targeted at the poorest people to have the most impact and achieve our goal to end extreme poverty by 2030. But to make sure that help gets to the poorest people we need to know where they are, and where they are likely to be in 2030.
Between 1990 and 2010, extreme poverty was cut in half. Explore plausible poverty outcomes for 2030 based on models of consumption.

For more information and to view more data visualisations please visit www.devinit.org
These projections are based on Chandy, Ledlie and Penciakova, The Final Countdown: Prospects for Ending Extreme Poverty by 2030 (2013).
Our interactive tool allows you to explore three scenarios for the future of extreme poverty levels both globally and by region up to 2030.
What will poverty look like globally?
By 2030, you can see that the total number of people living in extreme poverty globally is set to fall. The Brookings Institution suggests that the number of people living in extreme poverty by 2030 could fall to anywhere between 100 million and 1 billion people. As discussed in our first blog on 10 things to do to end extreme poverty by 2030′ this will largely depend on how the benefits of growth are shared with the poorest people.
The number of people in extreme poverty in 2030 could be anywhere between 100 million and more than 1 billion
People in extreme poverty (billions), 19902030
mOEBrlD.jpg


What will poverty look like in different regions?
The interactive tool shows that the regional distribution of poverty is set to shift and is evolving quickly. South Asia is currently home to the largest number of extremely poor people, followed by sub-Saharan Africa. In 2010, India alone was home to a third of the worlds extreme p oor people.

But by 2015, sub-Saharan Africa is set to overtake South Asia as the continent home to the largest number of extremely poor people. In the worst-case scenario, there will be over a billion people in extreme poverty in 2030, almost half (49%) of whom would be in Sub-Saharan Africa. While only around 100 million people would remain in extreme poverty in the best-case scenario, almost all would be in sub-Saharan Africa.

The East Asia and Pacific region in contrast appears to be broadly on track for ending extreme poverty by 2030 particularly in China and Indonesia and the numbers look set to fall dramatically in South Asia, particularly in India.

What does poverty look like within regions?

As poverty levels vary between regions, they also vary within regions. In sub-Saharan Africa the average incomes of people living in extreme poverty range from as low as $0.53 a day in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Malawi (well below the extreme poverty line of $1.25 a day) up to $1.10 a day in Cameroon (much closer to the extreme poverty line).
Average incomes of extremely poor people in Africa are often far below the $1.25 a day poverty line
Average daily consumption of people living on less than $1.25 a day, 2005 PPP$, 2010
La4LCRz.jpg

Even in countries with the fastest growth levels, like India, there are people living in pockets of extreme poverty. While India is referred to as a middle income country, 11 of its states including Uttar Pradesh and Bihar would themselves rank among the 20 poorest countries in the world.
So what does this mean for targeting investments at the poorest people?
Now that we know where the poorest people are, and are set to be in 2030, we have a better idea of how we need to allocate money to have the greatest impact on poverty. To get to zero poverty, we need to target resources at sub-Saharan Africa but not forget the people living in the pockets of extreme poverty in middle income countries.
Can we get better at measuring poverty?
To end extreme poverty by 2030 and target money where the need is greatest, we need to get better at measuring poverty. National income and consumption levels are currently the most common measures of poverty. But poverty is not only about income but also wider issues such as access to water, basic health, education and housing.
So, we need to get better at measuring these wider aspects of poverty; producing information on the distribution of poverty within countries, down to the village level; and using more accurate data collection sources and methods. Our next and final blog on Ending Poverty: time for a data revolution will explore the need for better data on poverty in more detail.
Sign the petition to call on every country to commit to support all efforts to end extreme poverty by 2030.
By Sarah Dalrymple, Advocacy & Engagement Advisor | Development Intiatives
muhtarma aap sabit kar rahi hein k aap dimaghi khalfshar ka shekar hein. meri samjh mein nahein aa raha k agar is forum pe india k bary mein kuch kaha jata hai tu aap ko us se takleef kiyon hoti hai. ye aik pakistani forum hai indian forum nahein hai. agar koi aap k ghar mein aa kar aap ko bura bhala kahe to aap ka ghusey mein aana samjh mein aata hai aur baqi duniya bhi is ko ghalt hi kahey gi lekin agar aap is baat pe pach o taab khati rahein k aap ka parosi apney ghar mein rehtey howay aap ko bura bhal kiyon keh raha hai to aap hi bataiye k koi aap ko keya kahey ga.
jo kuch aap ney parney k liye copy past kaiya hai mein ney parh liya hai. mera aap se sirf aik sadah sa sawal hai kuch din pehly aap ne modren.faqir ki post key jawab mein aik link diya tha jis se aap ney yeh sabit kiya tah k india 1991 mein world economy ki 3rd no. pe tha mein yeh bhi maan leta hoon (Advance mein) k tab se lekar aaj tak woh pehli , dosrey ya teesrey NO pe rehata aaya hai, kiyon k is se kam pe rehana shayad aap pasand nahein karein gi tu taqreeban in 23 barsoon mein india ki ghubat mein kitni kami aai hai jo aap 2030 ki Khush khabri suna rahi hai. umeed hai sidah dadha jawab dien gi. aur agar nahein bhi dein gi tu mein aap k pichey nahein paron ga . lekin mujhey 100 % yaqeen hai aisa hona nammkin hai. shukriya
 

RiazHaq

Senator (1k+ posts)
Your (Thomas Piketty's) data says that the top 1% in India owns about 8-9 % of national income. That's not much compared to the West, yet inequalities here appear starker. Is it that inequality being a relative measure, the absolute nature of poverty gets sidelined?


Let me make it clear that there are major problems with the measurement of income inequality in India. Of course, there are data problems in every country. But among all democracies, India is probably the country for which we have met the largest difficulties in getting reliable data. In particular, India's income tax administration has almost given up compiling detailed income tax statistics, although detailed yearly reports called "All-India Income Tax Statistics" are available from 1922 to 2000. This lack of transparency is problematic, because self-reported survey data on consumption and income is not satisfactory for the top part of the distribution, and income tax data is a key additional source of information in every country. The consequence is that we know very little about the actual decomposition of GDP growth by income and social groups in India over the past few decades.


You propose a 'utopian' global wealth tax to redistribute wealth. If it is so impracticable, what's the use of proposing it?


A global wealth tax together with a global government is certainly a utopia. But there is a lot that can be achieved at the national level and through intergovernmental agreements. In particular, countries like US, China or India are sufficiently large to make their tax system more progressive. For instance, the US — about one quarter of world GDP — could transform their property tax into a progressive tax on net wealth. They are sufficiently large to impose credible sanctions on countries and banks (like Swiss banks) that do not transmit the information they need to enforce their tax law.


You criticize economists for their 'childish passion' for mathematics in your book. How should they deal with their subject?


I am trying to put the distributional question and the study of long-run trends back at the heart of economic analysis. In that sense, I am pursuing a tradition which was pioneered by the economists of the 19th century, including David Ricardo and Karl Marx. One key difference is that I have a lot more historical data. With the help of many scholars, we have been able to collect a unique set of data covering three centuries and over 20 countries. This is by far the most extensive database available in regard to the historical evolution of income and wealth. This book proposes an interpretative synthesis based upon this data. I also use simple theoretical models in order to account for the facts.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Thomas-Piketty-says/articleshow/34949259.cms
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ok first thing India 2011 me duniya ki no 3 economy bana hai not in 1991. Aap meri post fir se padh le. Maine kabhi ye nahi kaha hai that Indian economy was at no 3 in 1991. Hamare yaha economic reforms bhi shuru nahi hue the 1991 me. India ki economy 6 saal me 10th number se 3rd number bar jump kar gayi thi yeh baat sach hai. It has happened between the years 2005/6 to 2011. So aapka ye 23 saalon ka aakda bilkul galat hai. Aapne theek se information ko padha nahi hai. India ki gurbat ke liye koi jinn nahi hai jo alladin ka chirag se niklega aur usko mita dega. Aur ek baat aapko samajhni chahiye ki agar kisi mulk ki population badhti rahi ho aur usne chahe economically bahut chalang laga di ho magar us badhti hui abadi ke chalte aapke GDP per capita ke figures improve nahi karte. Wahi reh jate hain.

Rome was not built in one day. Yaha main hairan hu, aap logo ko koi andaza hai ki India kaha se kaha aa gaya hai? Agar hamari abadi adhi hoti to ham to america ke sath hote aaj. Magar woh bhi ham kar lenge. 2050 me India will be far ahead of where it is even today.
Is baat par aap samajh le ki gurbat 2010 se niche aane lagi hai India me. It is down to 22% from 51% ye koi choti achievement nahi hai India jaise mulk ke liye. Aisa bhi nahi hai ki sab kuch ekdum se theek ho jaega. Gurbat multi dimensional hoti hai. Usme sudhar hone me waqt to lagega. Magar hamari gadi waha ki disha me chal padi hai.

Dekho main aapko samjhati hu mujhe gussa kyu ata hai. Ek baat hoti hai constructive criticism.
Ye jo sari reports aur news paper se news lekar yaha dali jati hai, uska maksad kisi ko zaleel karna nahi hota hai. This news is meant for bringing about awareness and improvement. Jab yeh international agencies yeh reports banati hai to usme ek forecasting angle bhi hota hai. Ek planning ka angle bhi hota hai. Har country me sare developmental projects kuch planning se chalte hai. Uska review hota hai. Jaise abhi aapko pata chal raha hai about polio campaign. Monitoring to hogi aur honi bhi chahiye. Ye sab logo ki takleef kam karne ke liye kiya jata hai, na ki kisi mulk ko badnaam karne ke liye ya uski topi uchalane ke liye. Is forum me India ke news ka galat tarike se istemaal kiya jata hai, jo pehle to kisi ko nahi karna chahiye, lekin pakistan jo khud har tarah ke problems se khud ladh raha hai, usse to bilkul bhi is tarah ka rawaiya nahi rakhna chahiye.
Isse ek galat sense of security pakistanis ke liye create ki ja rahi hai, ki ham theek hai, hamse to India bura hai, ham to bahut badi cheez hai. Yeh baat galat hai aur isse pakistan ke halat sudharenge nahi aur bighdenge.
Islie mera aitraz jaiz hai aur main karungi.

India ki baat aap kisi bhi forum me karo, chahe pakistani hee sahi, usme aapko Indians ki baat sunni chahiye. Aise one way traffic hoga to fir to aap kuch bhi bolte rahoge. Iska kya matlab hai? Apni sachai dekho dusri ki burai baad me kar lena. Ham Indians to aapki burai karne nahi atay yaha par. Magar aise batein sunkar acha nahi lagta hai. Har baat me India India. Indian forum to hai nahi yeh magar India ki news hee yaha zyda maqbool hai. Aur kuch logo ka to yehi agenda hai, nafrat phailana. Khud canada, europe me rahte hain aur chahte hai nafrat ka zehar sab ko tabah kar de. Khud enjoy karte hai western democracy aur yaha aajate apni nafrat phailane. Yeh main nahi kehti ki India is perfect ya phir India se badhkar aur koi kuch nahi kar sakta hai. Pakistan to India se achi economy thi shuruwat me. Ham to aaj bhi kehte hai pakistan has great potential. Magar pakistan India ke size ka kabhi nahi ban sakta hai, yeh to impossible hai aur na hee aage India se kisi baat me comparable rahega. Magar on its own pakistan can become a very good world economy. India se comparison ka kuch matlab nahi rah gaya hai aaj aapke liye. Islie India ke news se aapko koi matlab nahi hona chahiye. Ham thodi yaha India me kisi se compare karne baith jate hai. China me bhi poverty hai, aapko sirf India me kyu interest hai? We have some competition with China but ham khud ko China nahi samajhte.Hame pata hai hamara raasta alag hai aur mushkilo se bhara hai magar apni manzil tak hum pahunchkar rahenge. We always praise what is good. China me hazaro khamiya hai, magar unka media access zero hai bahar ki duniya ke liye. islie unki sirf positive news bahar ati hai.

Aap logo ko chahiye apne upar tawazo de. Sab apna ghar pehle sambhalte hain. Chidiya bhi apna ghosla banati hai aur uski rakhwali karti hai. yeh negativity ki bhasha chor do kyu ki bharat ka bhavishya(future) bahut hee ujwal (bright) hai. Isme hame koi shak nahi hai jo Indian hai. Hamne shunya (zero) se hamare liye duniya me jaga bana li hai, aur hamara carava ab badhta hee jaega.

Ab ho sakta hai aap mujhe kuch rude sa jawab de denge kyu ki aapko ye baat achi nahi lagegi. Magar yehi sach hai, Jo jitni jaldi samajh aa jayegi is good for pakistan.


muhtarma aap sabit kar rahi hein k aap dimaghi khalfshar ka shekar hein. meri samjh mein nahein aa raha k agar is forum pe india k bary mein kuch kaha jata hai tu aap ko us se takleef kiyon hoti hai. ye aik pakistani forum hai indian forum nahein hai. agar koi aap k ghar mein aa kar aap ko bura bhala kahe to aap ka ghusey mein aana samjh mein aata hai aur baqi duniya bhi is ko ghalt hi kahey gi lekin agar aap is baat pe pach o taab khati rahein k aap ka parosi apney ghar mein rehtey howay aap ko bura bhal kiyon keh raha hai to aap hi bataiye k koi aap ko keya kahey ga.
jo kuch aap ney parney k liye copy past kaiya hai mein ney parh liya hai. mera aap se sirf aik sadah sa sawal hai kuch din pehly aap ne modren.faqir ki post key jawab mein aik link diya tha jis se aap ney yeh sabit kiya tah k india 1991 mein world economy ki 3rd no. pe tha mein yeh bhi maan leta hoon (Advance mein) k tab se lekar aaj tak woh pehli , dosrey ya teesrey NO pe rehata aaya hai, kiyon k is se kam pe rehana shayad aap pasand nahein karein gi tu taqreeban in 23 barsoon mein india ki ghubat mein kitni kami aai hai jo aap 2030 ki Khush khabri suna rahi hai. umeed hai sidah dadha jawab dien gi. aur agar nahein bhi dein gi tu mein aap k pichey nahein paron ga . lekin mujhey 100 % yaqeen hai aisa hona nammkin hai. shukriya
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
India is what it is. Good bad or ugly all the information is out there. I have already read this article because i get the print version of the times of india every day. It is important for me that India is discussed in the same breath as China and USA. Income distribution even in the US is uneven and a lot of the wealth is in the hands of a few people. So let's not get on India's back yet.



[h=2]Eric Zuesse[/h] Investigative historian







[h=1]United States Is Now the Most Unequal of All Advanced Economies[/h]
The United States has such an unequal distribution of wealth so that it's in the league of corrupt underdeveloped countries, no longer in the league of the developed nations, according to the latest edition of the world's most thorough study of wealth-distribution.
The most authoritative source comparing wealth-concentration in the various countries is the successor to the reports that used to be done for the United Nations, now performed as the Credit Suisse Global Wealth Databook. The latest (2013) edition of it finds (p. 146) that in the U.S., 75.4% of all wealth is owned by the richest 10% of the people. The comparable figures for the other developed countries are: Australia 50.3%, Canada 57.4%, Denmark 72.2%, Finland 44.9%, France 51.8%, Germany 61.7%, Ireland 58.4%, Israel 68.9%, Italy 49.8%, Japan 49.1%, Netherlands 54.6%, New Zealand 57.6%, Norway 65.9%, Singapore 61.1%, Spain 54.0%, Sweden 71.1%, Switzerland 71.5%, and U.K. 53.3%. Those are the top 20 developed nations, and the U.S. has the most extreme wealth-concentration of them all. However, there are some other countries that have wealth-concentrations that are about as extreme as the U.S. For examples: Chile 72.5%, India 73.8%, Indonesia 75.0%, and South Africa 74.8%. The U.S. is in their league; not in the league of developed economies. In the U.S., the bottom 90% of the population own only 24.6% of all the privately held wealth, whereas in most of the developed world, the bottom 90% own around 40%; so, the degree of wealth-concentration in the U.S. is extraordinary (except for underdeveloped countries).
The broadest mathematical measure of wealth-inequality is called "Gini," and the higher it is, the more extreme the nation's wealth-inequality is. The Gini for the U.S. is 85.1. Other extremely unequal countries are (pages 98-101 of this report) Chile 81.4, India 81.3, Indonesia 82.8, and South Africa 83.6. However, some nations are even more-extreme than the U.S.: Kazakhstan 86.7, Russia 93.1, and Ukraine 90.0. But Honduras and Guatemala are such rabid kleptocracies that their governments don't even provide sufficiently reliable data for an estimate to be able to be made; and, so, some countries might be even higher than nations like Russia.
Under Barack Obama, the U.S. has, for the first time in this nation's history, increased the concentration of its privately held wealth during an "economic recovery" from a financial crash. (Consequently: the bottom 90% have experienced no benefit from this "recovery.") Usually, there is more instead of less economic equality in the wake of a crash; but Obama's policies of holding harmless the Wall Street insiders who profited enormously from creating the bubble, and of restoring their wealth by taxpayers buying up their toxic assets via the bailouts, etc., have made the U.S. more like nations such as Chile, India, Indonesia, and less like nations such as Australia, Canada, and Finland. Although Mr. Obama's rhetoric has been opposed to extreme wealth-concentration, his policies have actually intensified that tendency. Republicans are not satisfied with the extent to which he has done this, and they call for even more extreme wealth-concentration policies, but Obama has actually benefited America's billionaires a great deal. Romney received most of their campaign money, but Obama has performed extraordinarily well for them.
According to the latest study by the highly regarded economic-concentration specialist Emmanuel Saez, the richest 1% of Americans have been receiving 95% of the income-gains during the Obama "economic recovery." This "recovery" has raised incomes for the top 1% by 31.4%. Everyone else has seen income-gains of 0.4%. Other studies have shown that the bottom 95% of Americans have actually experienced overall reductions in their incomes under President Obama. So: for most Americans, the "recession" has merely continued.
Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST'S

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/us-is-now-the-most-unequa_b_4408647.html




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Your (Thomas Piketty's) data says that the top 1% in India owns about 8-9 % of national income. That's not much compared to the West, yet inequalities here appear starker. Is it that inequality being a relative measure, the absolute nature of poverty gets sidelined?


Let me make it clear that there are major problems with the measurement of income inequality in India. Of course, there are data problems in every country. But among all democracies, India is probably the country for which we have met the largest difficulties in getting reliable data. In particular, India's income tax administration has almost given up compiling detailed income tax statistics, although detailed yearly reports called "All-India Income Tax Statistics" are available from 1922 to 2000. This lack of transparency is problematic, because self-reported survey data on consumption and income is not satisfactory for the top part of the distribution, and income tax data is a key additional source of information in every country. The consequence is that we know very little about the actual decomposition of GDP growth by income and social groups in India over the past few decades.


You propose a 'utopian' global wealth tax to redistribute wealth. If it is so impracticable, what's the use of proposing it?


A global wealth tax together with a global government is certainly a utopia. But there is a lot that can be achieved at the national level and through intergovernmental agreements. In particular, countries like US, China or India are sufficiently large to make their tax system more progressive. For instance, the US — about one quarter of world GDP — could transform their property tax into a progressive tax on net wealth. They are sufficiently large to impose credible sanctions on countries and banks (like Swiss banks) that do not transmit the information they need to enforce their tax law.


You criticize economists for their 'childish passion' for mathematics in your book. How should they deal with their subject?


I am trying to put the distributional question and the study of long-run trends back at the heart of economic analysis. In that sense, I am pursuing a tradition which was pioneered by the economists of the 19th century, including David Ricardo and Karl Marx. One key difference is that I have a lot more historical data. With the help of many scholars, we have been able to collect a unique set of data covering three centuries and over 20 countries. This is by far the most extensive database available in regard to the historical evolution of income and wealth. This book proposes an interpretative synthesis based upon this data. I also use simple theoretical models in order to account for the facts.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Thomas-Piketty-says/articleshow/34949259.cms
 

Khayali

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Ok first thing India 2011 me duniya ki no 3 economy bana hai not in 1991. Aap meri post fir se padh le. Maine kabhi ye nahi kaha hai that Indian economy was at no 3 in 1991. Hamare yaha economic reforms bhi shuru nahi hue the 1991 me. India ki economy 6 saal me 10th number se 3rd number bar jump kar gayi thi yeh baat sach hai. It has happened between the years 2005/6 to 2011. So aapka ye 23 saalon ka aakda bilkul galat hai. Aapne theek se information ko padha nahi hai. India ki gurbat ke liye koi jinn nahi hai jo alladin ka chirag se niklega aur usko mita dega. Aur ek baat aapko samajhni chahiye ki agar kisi mulk ki population badhti rahi ho aur usne chahe economically bahut chalang laga di ho magar us badhti hui abadi ke chalte aapke GDP per capita ke figures improve nahi karte. Wahi reh jate hain.

Rome was not built in one day. Yaha main hairan hu, aap logo ko koi andaza hai ki India kaha se kaha aa gaya hai? Agar hamari abadi adhi hoti to ham to america ke sath hote aaj. Magar woh bhi ham kar lenge. 2050 me India will be far ahead of where it is even today.
Is baat par aap samajh le ki gurbat 2010 se niche aane lagi hai India me. It is down to 22% from 51% ye koi choti achievement nahi hai India jaise mulk ke liye. Aisa bhi nahi hai ki sab kuch ekdum se theek ho jaega. Gurbat multi dimensional hoti hai. Usme sudhar hone me waqt to lagega. Magar hamari gadi waha ki disha me chal padi hai.

Dekho main aapko samjhati hu mujhe gussa kyu ata hai. Ek baat hoti hai constructive criticism.
Ye jo sari reports aur news paper se news lekar yaha dali jati hai, uska maksad kisi ko zaleel karna nahi hota hai. This news is meant for bringing about awareness and improvement. Jab yeh international agencies yeh reports banati hai to usme ek forecasting angle bhi hota hai. Ek planning ka angle bhi hota hai. Har country me sare developmental projects kuch planning se chalte hai. Uska review hota hai. Jaise abhi aapko pata chal raha hai about polio campaign. Monitoring to hogi aur honi bhi chahiye. Ye sab logo ki takleef kam karne ke liye kiya jata hai, na ki kisi mulk ko badnaam karne ke liye ya uski topi uchalane ke liye. Is forum me India ke news ka galat tarike se istemaal kiya jata hai, jo pehle to kisi ko nahi karna chahiye, lekin pakistan jo khud har tarah ke problems se khud ladh raha hai, usse to bilkul bhi is tarah ka rawaiya nahi rakhna chahiye.
Isse ek galat sense of security pakistanis ke liye create ki ja rahi hai, ki ham theek hai, hamse to India bura hai, ham to bahut badi cheez hai. Yeh baat galat hai aur isse pakistan ke halat sudharenge nahi aur bighdenge.
Islie mera aitraz jaiz hai aur main karungi.

India ki baat aap kisi bhi forum me karo, chahe pakistani hee sahi, usme aapko Indians ki baat sunni chahiye. Aise one way traffic hoga to fir to aap kuch bhi bolte rahoge. Iska kya matlab hai? Apni sachai dekho dusri ki burai baad me kar lena. Ham Indians to aapki burai karne nahi atay yaha par. Magar aise batein sunkar acha nahi lagta hai. Har baat me India India. Indian forum to hai nahi yeh magar India ki news hee yaha zyda maqbool hai. Aur kuch logo ka to yehi agenda hai, nafrat phailana. Khud canada, europe me rahte hain aur chahte hai nafrat ka zehar sab ko tabah kar de. Khud enjoy karte hai western democracy aur yaha aajate apni nafrat phailane. Yeh main nahi kehti ki India is perfect ya phir India se badhkar aur koi kuch nahi kar sakta hai. Pakistan to India se achi economy thi shuruwat me. Ham to aaj bhi kehte hai pakistan has great potential. Magar pakistan India ke size ka kabhi nahi ban sakta hai, yeh to impossible hai aur na hee aage India se kisi baat me comparable rahega. Magar on its own pakistan can become a very good world economy. India se comparison ka kuch matlab nahi rah gaya hai aaj aapke liye. Islie India ke news se aapko koi matlab nahi hona chahiye. Ham thodi yaha India me kisi se compare karne baith jate hai. China me bhi poverty hai, aapko sirf India me kyu interest hai? We have some competition with China but ham khud ko China nahi samajhte.Hame pata hai hamara raasta alag hai aur mushkilo se bhara hai magar apni manzil tak hum pahunchkar rahenge. We always praise what is good. China me hazaro khamiya hai, magar unka media access zero hai bahar ki duniya ke liye. islie unki sirf positive news bahar ati hai.

Aap logo ko chahiye apne upar tawazo de. Sab apna ghar pehle sambhalte hain. Chidiya bhi apna ghosla banati hai aur uski rakhwali karti hai. yeh negativity ki bhasha chor do kyu ki bharat ka bhavishya(future) bahut hee ujwal (bright) hai. Isme hame koi shak nahi hai jo Indian hai. Hamne shunya (zero) se hamare liye duniya me jaga bana li hai, aur hamara carava ab badhta hee jaega.

Ab ho sakta hai aap mujhe kuch rude sa jawab de denge kyu ki aapko ye baat achi nahi lagegi. Magar yehi sach hai, Jo jitni jaldi samajh aa jayegi is good for pakistan.
muhtarma ,mein ney aap se do line ka jawab manga tha, aap ney phir aik page ki taqreer kar dali, peechali post mein app ney farmaya k 2030 tak hum is masaley per qaboo paa lein gein, abb aap ne 2050 ki tareekh de di hai. app ka koi sar peir hai. aap farma rahi hein k agar hamari aabadi aadhi hoti tu hum is problem se abb tak nikal chukey hotey; muhtarma keya abb aap ki aabadi k zeyadah honey mein bhi pakistan ya isi ka hath hai, ya hum ne tu aabadi kantrol nahein karni aap hi ne karni thee na.
mein aap se sirf yeh kehna chata hoon k 2030 mein ya phir 2050 mein india kaha hoga mujhey iss se koi sarokar nahein hain aaj ki tareekh mein india ya pakistan kahan khara hai. future ki planing karna achchi baat hai, lekin kal kis ney dekha hai keya ussr ko maloom tha k 1990 tak us k tukrey ho jaein gai. hindostan do mulkoo mein taqseem ho jai ga, phir pakistan bhi do hisson mein taqseem ho jai ga. iss liye kal ki nahein aaj ki baat karein, k aaj hum keya hein. Iss liye aaj ki Haqeeqat ko tasleem karein, agar itni si baat aap k buhat badey dimagh mein aa jai tu achchi baat hai. aur aakhir mein aik nasihat k agar koi kisi maqsad ko hasil karna chahta hai tu woh iss baat ki parwah nahein karta k duniya us k barey mein keya keh rahi hai, us ki tawajo apni manzil per puhanch ne per hoti hai. aur agar woh dunya ki baton mein ulajh geya tu apni manzil per kabhi nahein puhanch sakta. india ki ghurbat k barey mein aur bath rooms ki sahoolat kam honey k barey mein jo report hai woh world bank aur who ne shaya ki hai pakistan ney nahein; abb agar aap is baat per zid karein k pakistani ya koi aur is khabar ko kiyon discus kartey hein. tu mutarma jab hawa chalti hai tu sab ko lagti hai, aap hum se nahein world bank aur wHO waloon se behass karein aur yeh tammam reports aur analysis un k samney rakh ker unhein iss baat per qail karin k app aisi reports kiyon publish kartey hein jab k hum 2050 tak in problems se nikal aaein ge. hammari best wishes app k sath hein; umeed hai baat aap ki samaj mein aa gai ho gi . post ka jawab dena zaroori nahein hai , lekin mujhey na janey kiyon yaqeen hai k aap jawab diye bina reh nahein paain gi.
 

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