Winds of war...Keeping an eye on Israel..

[taul]

a) You are saying that your God, allah, has already decided that i will never believe in him or worship him or acknowledge his existence. :o

b) He has done this so that he can throw me hell after i die, because people like me are fuel for the Hell fire... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I will continue to support Israel, Israel has every right to exist and it will survive for a very long time.
And the land is Israel's. It had been occupied by the Palestinians for all these years.

Don't forget that Jews were expelled from this region by the Romans in AD 70, they have every right to reclaim their land.

--Education Requires Human beings to Use and Exploit their Brains and Explore the Purpose of their Existence and Relate that to their One and Only Creator "Allah"


---Your statement have now led me to assume that your IQ isn't anywhere close to being considered as "Normal" :shock: :shock:
you Truly have no Sense of Destiny and the Choices that God has given.. 8-) 8-)

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--Let me simplify ...whatever in the World is going to happen,Allah (SWT) has Prior Knowledge of it so far so good.....


...Now Allah ( SWT) has Also Given the person "Choice" of either doing good or bad..Person is given brain to think what is good and what's bad..Just as you can Earn your living by either robbing a bank to fulfil your needs OR Work Honestly and Sweat and Earn your livelihood in a Good way.

--Just as you in your own case Opt for better measures that means you have Atleast enough Intellect to Choose Good from Bad,, :geek:

---Another example Nobody can Hope for food by just Chilling all day around and not working,, then expecting to Get Bread and butter under the Terms of Destiny.. :oops:


--Allah ( SWT) already knows what choices you are going to make :geek: :geek: This falls under ALL-KNOWING because Allah ( SWT ) has the Absolute Knowledge of All.....We all have Preordained destiny and to make it more Just Allah ( SWT ) has shown human beings 2 ways. 8-) 8-)


Good and Bad.,, if you choose good that means "Allah already knew you'd Opt for good"

If you choose bad that means "Allah already knew you'd Go for bad "


--You are basically trying to get off the hook here 8-) 8-) :lol: :geek: :geek: ...Blaming your own stubbornness on somebody else.. :ugeek: Your deeds are yours if you kill somebody and present this theory in the court that i was destined to do so,,nobody will buy that and you'll be sentenced :mrgreen: or they can run a trial under "Competence" and may declare you "Incompetent" that means you were not sane enough to stand trial :ugeek:

--Allah ( SWT ) has given you the Opportunity to Interact with Muslims and get first hand Information about Islam and Know your True Creator and the Purpose of your Existence...It's upto You to stand defiant or Accept the Truth and find the Tranquility in Islam :geek: 8-)

--That's True Allah ( SWT ) Knows already who is going to be Repulsive and Sinful and will die as a Disbeliever :geek: ...and Surely and Truly these People will be the Fuel for the Hell fire...But Coming to Know the Creator and then staying Defiant will Enhances the Punishment even Further that is being Purposely and Deliberately Defiant and Hard headed.. :oops:

Everybody will be Judged according to their Intellect and the information he had on his/her hands while still Living and Enjoying life here in this world :P

There are People still living in Amazon who may not be even Aware of lot of things happening around the World and they may be Judged According to their Knowledge :ugeek:

--Like i said Israel will be under Duress coz they know they've Stolen Palestinian Property and belongings,,,World has Repelled them,thru out History they have been Punished and Humiliated(i believe you know enough) :geek: Nothing can spare them from such life full of Despair ;) ;)
You can have as much Theories and Fantasies "Dellusions" but Reality won't Change :ugeek: :ugeek:

 

[nabeel117]

JazakAllah!

 

[contra]

taul bhai,
I am all confused about the working of your god and his capabilities... :?

1. First, you say that he is all knowing, that he decides everything, everything happens because he wants it to happen and it happens that way because he want it.....phew!!!!!! :geek:

2. Then you say that your god has given people "choice", now doesn't this go against the first point? :?:
That means that if a person does something bad, which supposedly, your god doesn't like, then isn't this happening because your god wants it to happen :o :shock: ??? Very confusing...isn't it? ;) 8-)

3. Either people have free will and choice, and your god is unable to interfere with the choices people make.. :| :geek:
or,
Your god makes everything happen, and people are doing what god wants them to do, people have no control over their mind or their thinking... :| :geek:

 

[taul]

taul bhai,
I am all confused about the working of your god and his capabilities... :?

1. First, you say that he is all knowing, that he decides everything, everything happens because he wants it to happen and it happens that way because he want it.....phew!!!!!! :geek:

2. Then you say that your god has given people "choice", now doesn't this go against the first point? :?:
That means that if a person does something bad, which supposedly, your god doesn't like, then isn't this happening because your god wants it to happen :o :shock: ??? Very confusing...isn't it? ;) 8-)

3. Either people have free will and choice, and your god is unable to interfere with the choices people make.. :| :geek:
or,
Your god makes everything happen, and people are doing what god wants them to do, people have no control over their mind or their thinking... :| :geek:

---First and Foremost there is Only One God ( ALLAH ).,,have you ever had the time to pick up even bible in urdu or let's say Arabic, you'd find the name "ALLAH " so God is One and One Only "ALLAH"..Allah's Powers are Innumerable and Countless,, just a tiny example you see with your Eye,if you go in detail the Mechanics of how your eye work and what it is composed of, Such an Intricate system so Perfect but yet so Subtle that Stuns the Most Learned :geek: .....Rest all Imaginary gods are in your head 8-) 8-) :P ;) ohhh i forgot you don't Believe in one :oops:


---I Thought so, with your Intellect and Ignorance the most Sound and Logical Reasoning will Yield Useless ;) ,,as you've turned off the part of brain that does so :geek: and even if you din't your Adamance wouldn't let you 8-)


--I've made it so simple yet you failed to understand the most Basic, that all Undertsand so Effortlessly :P ;) :shock:


--Let me break it down: Allah (SWT) is ALL Knowing and Knows all that will happen that Encompasses all. :ugeek:

--Now Allah ( SWT) Has not kept us in Limitations in any one system in this World,but Instead has Shown us different faces of Societies,Cultures and other things.Along these Premises Allah ( SWT) has Granted all Human Beings with the "Free Will " that is Free to Choose.. :ugeek:


--Let me further simplify:

--Destiny: Allah (SWT) has written Destiny for all Human beings,whatever we are going to do, Allah ( SWT ) has Prior Knowledge of it no matter what.

--Freedom to Choose: Allah ( SWT ) being The Most JUST has given us the ability to "Choose" from all the things we see around,Good from Bad :P

now whatever you Decide to Choose Allah ( SWT ) has Knowledge of it,,let's say you decide to Rob a Bank( you just made an Intention and your intention have not Materialized Yet) Allah ( SWT ) Knows of your intention but this intention of yours will NOT be Recorded in your Bad deeds :geek:
let's say you start havin second Thoughts of it and change your mind in a split second and back off , Allah ( SWT ) knows of your this Intention too :geek:

---This was limited to Intention but when comes to Materializing of any Intention , Allah (SWT) Has The Absolute Knowledge of it as Well :ugeek:

--Why would you go to earn your livelihood by puting 8-9 hour shift daily?? Like i Earlier said you do have another Option of Looting and Scamming and you'd infact be way better off with that lifestyle since Probably you'll be making way more in that in short span of time and by putting less Effort :roll:

You had a "Choice" to choose and you Chose Good over Bad,,No body Interfered in your Decisions,you thought hard what job you needed and ended up choosing your Career as a Banker,you may have had Consultations with your family members as well as friends but Eventually it was "Your" decision :P and you stand alone in Imposing and Implementing your Choice. :ugeek: :geek:


--Now whatever you "Opted to Choose" Allah ( SWT ) had Prior Knowledge of it,,,that you'd Opt such . :ugeek:

-Had Allah ( SWT ) shown you just the way to bank and no other Prospects of getting a Job Somwhere else ,,then you could've said it,you weren't given or shown any more Options and you had no "Choice"... :P :)


--So Allah's (SWT) ABSOLUTE knowledge Does NOT Contradict with the Free Actions or Choices Human Beings make,,,what ever you decide even if you Change that decision at the last moment, Allah ( SWT ) will have Already known you'd do so :geek:

--You are Mixing and Confusing " The Absolute Knowledge of Seen and Unseen,the Only Attribute of Allah ( SWT ) " with the "Free will to Choose of humans" :ugeek:


--If go by your theory then there shouldn't be any jails in this world since according to you :shock: all bad is happening because of not humans :o If you even try to run for this cause :mrgreen: i hope you know what the Outcome would be :D you'll be thrown in a Psych Hospital and Considered Mentally Incapacitated :roll:

Just think over what you wrote,,,Would any Sane ,thinking and Logical Mind would even imagine to consider this most Absurd Notion of yours :oops: :lol: :lol:

 

[hnuter555]

Hey contra my advise buddy

read quran with hindi translation u will find all ur answers does not matter how narrow minded u r ? dont accept it but at least deep down in ur heart u will see the truth have some courage and take this chance i can assure u it will not harm u in any way

orite just read it then come back

 

[biomat]

Assalam-o-alaikum
I have find interesting points regarding misunderstanding of CONCEPT OF FATE & DESTINY.. As there was some misunderstanding between Mr Contra & Taul Bhai. As i have seen Mr Contra v contradicting but he is more sensible & understanding than any other indian on this forum.. The explaination is according to ISLAM.
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... Verily never will God change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls). ...Surah 13 Verse 11
This certainly seems to indicate that humans have the power to change through their own free will, and these decisions alter their fates. It must be true that God does know everything and every possibility, but humans do not. Therefore, if a human chooses a particular thing, there will be a particular outcome leading to a particular conclusion. If the human chooses a different course of action, then the outcome and conclusion will be different. If you choose to swallow a whole bottle of painkilling tablets, you will die this afternoon; but if you choose to swallow only two, it may cure your migraine and you may live to be a hundred. God, like a master-computer knows all the possible outcomes but He leaves the choice to you. We cant understand it, but God can His intelligence is millions of times greater and totally different from ours.
B-
Another logical answer can be given as:
Suppose an experienced teacher, before the final examinations, predicts that a particular student will fail in the exams, since the student is very mischievous, not attentive in class and does not do his homework. If after the student appears for the examination, he fails, who is to be blamed for the student failing: the teacher or the student? Just because the teacher predicted, it does not mean that the teacher is to be blamed but the student himself is responsible for his failure.

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ALLAH has power over all things.
"ALLAH is the doer of all HE intends." (Surah 85 Verse 16)
We must keep in mind that ALLAH intends only Godly acts and not ungodly acts. ALLAH can be unjust but the moment ALLAH does injustice HE ceases to be GOD.
"ALLAH is never unjust in the least degree." (Surah 4 Verse 40)

Hence we can't imagine ALLAH (GOD) telling a lie, making mistakes, forgetting things & such other human failings.
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Hope it helps clearing some misunderstanding. Jaza-k-ALLAH.

 

[digitalzygot]

Very good posts by taul and biomat hope it will be enough for all non muslims reading these posts if not we can still help in understanding and clearing any doubts.