Watch this video and decide your self

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
watch this magnet motor and there is nothing hidden.

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE

this device can't be run by fan, blower, or battary because there are no coils in this device. only magnets are used to rotate the drum

so, now tell me that what is fake in this video.

magnet can be used to rotate the motor and it can generate energy as well.
 
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Joker

Minister (2k+ posts)
One of the best free source of energy gifted by mother nature. Alas !! International Oil mafia will never allow such technology to become household product.
 

Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
And you think hundred of thousand engineers and state of the art \top companies are idiots.
 

hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
These are the neodymium magnets. which do not occur naturally as magnetized form but need commercially to be permanently magnetize. And neodymium is a rare earth element found at very few places on earth. (china being one of them). permanent magnet generators are already in use in many wind energy turbines, but eventually it needs wind to drive them and produce electricity.

I am not discouraging you but you seam to be obsessed by magnets. But believe me this field still require a lot of research and new designs. before that anything to say about it is little too early. It will not be a bad idea if you start with it.

Just a food for thought. Think of the force of gravity. For that you dont need no chemical energy, no nuclear energy, and no rare minerals. it is every where to be found on planet earth. But the problem only is to find a way to put it on to work.
 

hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
And you think hundred of thousand engineers and state of the art \top companies are idiots.

Please don't discourage anybody. There is always a physics beyond the standard model. and saying that physical things are impossible are often considered unscientific. Many theories of Einstein hasn't been proven yet but he is still considered to be the world best. (because some of them did).

The same way Nobel prize and Max plank award winner Erwin Schrdinger was a very fine piece of brain, who has dedicated a whole lot of scintic work in the field of Quantum mechanics but If you read about the Schrdinger's Cat theory you will say HOW? as it contradicts the common sense of human brain.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
And you think hundred of thousand engineers and state of the art \top companies are idiots.

No. they are intelligent. Because if they produce free energy devices, people will be independent and no more electricity and oil will be consumed.
this scares them and stops them from making free energy devices
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
free energy from water

check this page about water electrolysis

"https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=438732932868745&set=a.438733026202069.1073741825.100001961252933&type=1&relevant_count=1"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...41825.100001961252933&type=1&relevant_count=1

hho is not simple hydrogen, but it is charged gas which is less consumed than hydrogen in normal engine.
engine requires very less hho gas. so it gives more output energy than the input electricity.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: free energy from water

"hho is not simple hydrogen, but it is charged gas which is less consumed than hydrogen in normal engine.
engine requires very less hho gas. so it gives more output energy than the input electricity."

For 1 Kg of water:

Energy for electrolysis: 237.13 kJ * 55.55 = 13.173 MJ
Energy released by Hydrogen combustion: 0.002 * 55.55 * 141.86 MJ = 15.76 MJ

You are right, look the hydrogen released has more energy density than the energy put in! Wow. We just beat the law of thermodynamics... but only on paper. In reality, there are energy loses. And more significantly you are using this hydrogen in a piston combustion engine. One of the most inefficient engines in the world. To give you an idea of their efficiency, these engines at best come up to 40% efficiency. So you are using slightly less energy to obtain hydrogen from Water. However in reality you will suffer losses due to temperature, pressure and other variables of the electrolyte.
Then you will suffer massive losses at the engine. In the end you will get FAR FAR less energy out of the Engine compared to what you put into the water.


I think you guys are going about this the wrong way. It is not about Free or More energy. It's about the price of Energy. Agha Waqar with his "Water Fueled" vehicle did no new thing. However he marketed it the wrong way. Yes the efficiency of producing Hydrogen Onboard and then burning it in a combustion engine is really bad. It will be Much less efficient than Gasoline. However, what needs to be calculated is not the energy output vs energy input alone. What we need to factor in is the price of fuel. For example, everyone knows that ethanol can be produced from Corn. You can use that in most gasoline engines. It has however less energy than petrol. However what we factor in is the cost of fuel. Another example is CNG. This give less energy at the engine. But people still use it because its cheap. A cheap fuel to just get around without high performance.

Hydrogen production onboard in my opinion is very inefficient. However if you setup a hydrogen production plant that produces hydrogen on a mass production scale, now you have some useful efficiency. You Sell this hydrogen to customers and that will be more efficient than onboard electrolysis. Still need to calculate to see how much is the cost of the production vs the output. But I fear that the fuel prices today are still not high enough to make electrolyzed hydrogen a viable alternative. Either you reduce the cost of production of Hydrogen or you increase the price of petrol significantly.

If you take a dose of reality and realize that nothing even comes close to 100% efficiency and stop telling the world you are MORE than even 100% efficient, perhaps then people will take you seriously. And like my Grandmother used to say there is no such thing as "Free" in this world.
 
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isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: free energy from water

when we compare that electricity for electrolysis vs combustion heat we forget that water is also consumed. and it contain hydrogen.

electricity is not converting into hydrogen. electricity is used just to separte the hydrogen from water. and the hydrogen do the rest of job (heat).

IF FREE ENERGY IS NOT AVAILABLE ? WHAT ABOUT THE MENTIONED YOUTUBE VIDEO MAGNET MOTOR ? WHICH IS ROTATING THE SHAFT WITHOUT ANY ENERGY.
I agree Free energy is not possible. but if you got energy from a substaince which is free and you don't have to pay for it, then it is free energy. Like solar, wind and water.
 

isbman

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lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: free energy from water

when we compare that electricity for electrolysis vs combustion heat we forget that water is also consumed. and it contain hydrogen.
electricity is not converting into hydrogen. electricity is used just to separte the hydrogen from water. and the hydrogen do the rest of job (heat).

Electrical Energy is used to separate Water.
The Hydrogen derived is burned to release energy to power the pistons of the engine. The assumption here is that hydrogen is so powerful that it will not only power the engine, drive the car, the electronics, but also recharge the battery and power the electrolysis of the water.

However as demonstrated, there are enormous losses in energy. Especially when you burn Hydrogen in the incredibly inefficient Piston Combustion engine. You have upto or more than 60% energy loss right in the engine itself. However, if you filled your gas tank with Hydrogen from a Hydrogen station, now you have really good mileage. The problem with Hydrogen powered cars is the onboard electrolysis, which makes them a BAD idea. But if you add a few compounds INTO the water, this can make the process a little more efficient. But never close or more than 100%.

IF FREE ENERGY IS NOT AVAILABLE ? WHAT ABOUT THE MENTIONED YOUTUBE VIDEO MAGNET MOTOR ? WHICH IS ROTATING THE SHAFT WITHOUT ANY ENERGY.
I agree Free energy is not possible. but if you got energy from a substaince which is free and you don't have to pay for it, then it is free energy. Like solar, wind and water.

It's a fake video. He is blowing pressurized air onto it. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBGc2lSpLFA


Once again, its not free energy.

Sure, if you consider Solar, Wind and Water as "Free" because it doesn't cost you anything then yeah you got "Free" Energy. Although Solar Panels are not cheap and very inefficient. Wind generators are not cheap and need well.. wind. Water powered generators need a good flow of water. All of these are renewable energy. They are used today for powering many things. But they are inefficient compared to non-renewable energy.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
i think, every pulsed power signal in coils is tapping or getting Magnetic energy (Back EMF) from the environment or the magnetic field of earth. many inverter describe it in different names like radiant energy, zero point energy, Magnetic Field of earth, Either, etc. and this secret energy from the environment is trapped in coils and devices and used to do used work which increase the output compare to the input. and their performance is more than 100%.
I will also make some of the water electrolysis and other free energy devices and will report you the result.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
i think, every pulsed power signal in coils is tapping or getting Magnetic energy (Back EMF) from the environment or the magnetic field of earth. many inverter describe it in different names like radiant energy, zero point energy, Magnetic Field of earth, Either, etc. and this secret energy from the environment is trapped in coils and devices and used to do used work which increase the output compare to the input. and their performance is more than 100%.
I will also make some of the water electrolysis and other free energy devices and will report you the result.
You didn't comment anything about the fake video being exposed? What do you think of all these "Free" energy guys faking stuff? There is a pattern here. Most "Free Energy" people are fraud. Most Water Fueled car makers are convicted of investment fraud. As a child the idea of tapping into "Free" energy really caught my imagination. But the hard truth about the universe is that nothing is truly free.

The Earth spins around its axis, do you think it will spin forever?
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
You didn't comment anything about the fake video being exposed? What do you think of all these "Free" energy guys faking stuff? There is a pattern here. Most "Free Energy" people are fraud. Most Water Fueled car makers are convicted of investment fraud. As a child the idea of tapping into "Free" energy really caught my imagination. But the hard truth about the universe is that nothing is truly free.

The Earth spins around its axis, do you think it will spin forever?

I dont know that earth will spin around it axis, because i will not live so long. But i know that earth moves around sun and moon moves around earth.
Do you think why ?
because earth is a big magnet due to its gravitational force. its attract moon toward itself and moon try to go away due to its centrifugal force and then it is rotating around earth.

Don't you understand that earth magnetic or gravitational force has power to rotate the moon. so rotor can be rotated by magnets also.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I dont know that earth will spin around it axis, because i will not live so long. But i know that earth moves around sun and moon moves around earth.
Do you think why ?
because earth is a big magnet due to its gravitational force. its attract moon toward itself and moon try to go away due to its centrifugal force and then it is rotating around earth.

Don't you understand that earth magnetic or gravitational force has power to rotate the moon. so rotor can be rotated by magnets also.
That's all well in good, but there are few problems with your interpretation. Without going into much details, I can tell you the Earth is slowing down. The moon is pulling away slowly too and will eventually escape. The Earth will eventually stop spinning. Which means that it is not spinning due to some magic, but because of the initial Kinetic energy it had.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
if earth is slowing down then our day should be not 24 hours . some second should be decreased every year. but we know that our days are same.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
the energy need to lift magnet is taken by lever arm which is rotated by magnets. no external energy required.
 

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