Umer Cheema Gatar Se Utha Huwa Admi Hay - Imran Khan

[aykay47]

Now you are talking about some absolutes here, ethics being a part of them of course.

Ethics have some absolutes, and so from absolutes point of view, yes it is indeed a below the line hit.

But then, this hit was intended to whom? somebody who has been doing this and only this all in last 4 5 years? somebody who promoted culture of abuse and intolerance which was not known before. No two wrongs ever made a right, but in this case, this sadistic attitude is worth it.

and really worth it man i tell you.

I am not ignoring anything. I can understand why you are giddy about this whole even though there is nothing awesome about it as I see it.
I don't get excited about tabloid headlines even if they are true because they are just garbage unless talked about in an intelligent and decent way on how they impact the general public or if a crime is committed.

You are taking too much of a sadistic pleasure in IK's supposed misery in regards to this whole issue some of which was brought upon by himself.

I am making the point that there is nothing awesome about a journalist resorting to social media because he was jilted as his piece was rejected by his editor. Again, it would have helped if you had read umar cheema's article on this issue. There were at least 3-4 places on the internet that this allegedly was attributed to IK with even naming or rather identifying the girl involved. So there was not a net cast by umar and it was certainly not very professional and ethical especially if he did what you thought he did.

 

[aykay47]

Mind you, sadistic pleasures was a practice introduced by Khan on two following occassions:

Making fun of Dengue patients by laughing out the names and calling out meray dengue bhaiyo

When Asif Zardari was hit by a shoe and somebody mentioned it to him using the word Zardari ***** where he instead of denouncing the shoe act endorsed it and further laughed on the ***** issue saying its a disgrace to the dog.

I am not ignoring anything. I can understand why you are giddy about this whole even though there is nothing awesome about it as I see it.
I don't get excited about tabloid headlines even if they are true because they are just garbage unless talked about in an intelligent and decent way on how they impact the general public or if a crime is committed.

You are taking too much of a sadistic pleasure in IK's supposed misery in regards to this whole issue some of which was brought upon by himself.

I am making the point that there is nothing awesome about a journalist resorting to social media because he was jilted as his piece was rejected by his editor. Again, it would have helped if you had read umar cheema's article on this issue. There were at least 3-4 places on the internet that this allegedly was attributed to IK with even naming or rather identifying the girl involved. So there was not a net cast by umar and it was certainly not very professional and ethical especially if he did what you thought he did.

 

[Aslan]

the more he talks..the more stupid he looks..who is advising him...why is he acting so stupid..

Your are right.Nawaz Noora is Indeed the most stupid person to become PM of Pakistan(though rigging).

 

[aykay47]

وہ انجیکشن خان صاحب نے لگوایا تھا اور اس کے اثرات آپ کل ، آج اور کل میڈیا پر دیکھتے آئے ہیں، دیکھ رہے ہیں اور دیکھتے رہیں گے

منجانب ادارہ تحفظ جنگلی سیاسی حیات

جہاں پہ ان لڑکوں نے یہ بینر پکڑا تھا ان سے تھوڑا اگے جاکے ایک منٹل ھسپتال ھے وھاں پہ اگر ایک انجکشن لگوا لیتے تو ابھی تک کافی افاقہ ھو چکا ھوتا۔

 

[LovelyVirus]

IK should have handle the GEO and Cheema matter in a better way. Still I would say it's not the business of some posters and general public to sensationalize (poke into) IK's personal life. What is more important is what he and PTI does for Pakistan and Pakistanis. Any thing personal to him in his house should be a matter of concern for him and the involved parties (girls parents) and not a topic of discussion for cheema, gaama, maanja etc. To an extent his reaction is understandable as he is not our typical politician. He is one of us who would be pissed to hear our personal matters in public (assuming the story is true).

 

[mrk123]

Now you are talking about some absolutes here, ethics being a part of them of course.

Ethics have some absolutes, and so from absolutes point of view, yes it is indeed a below the line hit.

First of all I have no sympathy for IK if he did or didn't do it because he himself is hurting his cause. Secondly if you think that I am an IK supporter then you grossly mistaken.
I am looking at this strictly from the perspective of what Cheema did.

I don't get your comment about talking in absolutes. Journalistic ethics are not absolutes. You go take journalism ethics 101 and you will learn the code of ethics. They are widely practiced and observed the world over and you could call them universally accepted but not absolutes. They may differ a little from country to country or society to society.

But then, this hit was intended to whom? somebody who has been doing this and only this all in last 4 5 years? somebody who promoted culture of abuse and intolerance which was not known before. No two wrongs ever made a right, but in this case, this sadistic attitude is worth it.

and really worth it man i tell you.

Hence my comment about you taking sadistic pleasure in it and its obvious why :-)

You can't go past beyond IK in this case.

What's there to argue when you are yourself saying that you don't care if two wrongs don't make a right.

You wallow in it if this is the kind of thing that tickles your fancy - what can I say.

Its just that you quickly laid bare the basis of your argument. It went from Cheema's master stroke and genius and stature as a journalist to just plain excitable admiration of a tabloidic hatchet job :-)

The thing is that hacks like Cheema hurt their profession with their gleeful half baked rumor filled stories. In fact in this case, with his stupid approach, he provided IK a lifeline and an out even if he did what is alleged that he did. Just think about about it once the euphoria dies down a little ;-)

Just know that cheema is no walter cronkite or robert fisk....

 

[mrk123]

Mind you, sadistic pleasures was a practice introduced by Khan on two following occassions:

Making fun of Dengue patients by laughing out the names and calling out meray dengue bhaiyo

When Asif Zardari was hit by a shoe and somebody mentioned it to him using the word Zardari ***** where he instead of denouncing the shoe act endorsed it and further laughed on the ***** issue saying its a disgrace to the dog.

I guess there is no point in further arguing about it as you made it moot by admitting that two wrongs do make a right for you ;-)

I am no IK fan and if he did what is alleged that he did then he should face the law of the land as this is a criminal offense in Pakistan. If its not true and there is more to it than what meets the tabloids then he is justifiably angry and upset. Although I completely disagree with the way he has handled himself on this issue. Just as Cheema's actions have consequences, even with his stupid claim and cover that it was his 'private' act on a social media, IK's reaction also has consequences as he is a public figure given his standing as a political leader.

Could you provide a source or link or reference for the Zardari incident you narrated? Where did you read or see it? I am referring to Zardari's reaction to the shoe throwing incident.

 

[aykay47]

Well you have made your point more clear than it was needed here :)

Journalism has been my major subject and hence I would agree with majority of what you have shared, not to mention the hatchet job they do when they run news of ISI for 8 hours but call it ONE POLITICAL PARTY when its MQM.

Former is an accusation and latter is a proven thing, yet the controversy, but you don't have to look at one particular instance to identify. For me, anybody working at that channel full of small time crooks committing hatchet jobs day in and day out, journalists like Umer Cheema, Ansar Abbassi and Aftab Iqbal have no value come what may their reporting skills and experience be, as they are part and parcel of the same organization.

I do sound too much of irrational on many an occasion, mainly its to SHOO OFF the irritants projecting themselves as supporters of ONE POLITICAL PARTY.

No hard feelings mate

The thing is that hacks like Cheema hurt their profession with their gleeful half baked rumor filled stories. In fact in this case, with his stupid approach, he provided IK a lifeline and an out even if he did what is alleged that he did. Just think about about it once the euphoria dies down a little ;-)

Just know that cheema is no walter cronkite or robert fisk....

 

[mrk123]

No offense meant, none taken.

What I don't understand is that why do smart and highly educated people on either side, like yourself, are sucked in and become part of this mindless and deafening rhetoric.

We know very well whats right and we know whats grossly wrong yet we are too eager to right a wrong and don't care if we commit a wrong in doing so.

Maybe its our makeup. Somewhere, sometime it became part of our psyche and unbeknownst to this fact we keep chugging along. As a result things get from bad to worse since no one is taking the time to think about it. In our heads we are doing nothing wrong or the wrong is insignificant in our eyes. I think this attitude is eating us inside out.

Sorry - not directed at you. Its the phenomenon on all sides. All of us are afflicted - including myself.

You carry on....the way you see fit ;-)

Well you have made your point more clear than it was needed here :)

Journalism has been my major subject and hence I would agree with majority of what you have shared, not to mention the hatchet job they do when they run news of ISI for 8 hours but call it ONE POLITICAL PARTY when its MQM.

Former is an accusation and latter is a proven thing, yet the controversy, but you don't have to look at one particular instance to identify. For me, anybody working at that channel full of small time crooks committing hatchet jobs day in and day out, journalists like Umer Cheema, Ansar Abbassi and Aftab Iqbal have no value come what may their reporting skills and experience be, as they are part and parcel of the same organization.

I do sound too much of irrational on many an occasion, mainly its to SHOO OFF the irritants projecting themselves as supporters of ONE POLITICAL PARTY.

No hard feelings mate

 

[afsheen]

عمران خان آپ اتنا غصہ میں کیوں ہو آج کل اگر اس نے ایسی کوئی بات کی بھی ہے تو اس گھٹیا بات کا جواب دینے کی کیا ضرورت ؟

 

[aykay47]

We as Pakistanis have other wrongs as well as some natural inclinations, and this extra wrong is shaped over the years, by observational learning.

As for why we do it, we need recurring lectures on DOING GOOD and avoiding BAD, if once a good was enough, call for prayer wont be happening five times a day.

The Creator knows its creations better than anyone, and hence the biddings, hope and pray we get better and not get carried away like I do , thanks for your reminders.

No offense meant, none taken.

What I don't understand is that why do smart and highly educated people on either side, like yourself, are sucked in and become part of this mindless and deafening rhetoric.

We know very well whats right and we know whats grossly wrong yet we are too eager to right a wrong and don't care if we commit a wrong in doing so.

You carry on....the way you see fit ;-)

 

[mrk123]

It was certainly not directed at you brother. I was just thinking aloud. I struggle to grasp what happened to us collectively. I am sure that I am much older than you and I just wonder that there was some point in time in our lives where our collective approach and attitudes started to change for the worse. I still remember the times when behaviors were different. I am afraid that the newer generation doesn't even realize that there is this inherent flaw that has taken root in our collective psyche.

You are right that we are all fallible and succumb to these behaviors. You made me realize that I myself need to do it more often than not. Thanks.

I just hope that at some point of we realize that even with our differing ideologies and differences the collective good among us overtakes the negative and not so good behaviors that have seeped in over the last 2-3 decades.

We as Pakistanis have other wrongs as well as some natural inclinations, and this extra wrong is shaped over the years, by observational learning.

As for why we do it, we need recurring lectures on DOING GOOD and avoiding BAD, if once a good was enough, call for prayer wont be happening five times a day.

The Creator knows its creations better than anyone, and hence the biddings, hope and pray we get better and not get carried away like I do , thanks for your reminders.

 

[Nice2MU]

وہ انجیکشن خان صاحب نے لگوایا تھا اور اس کے اثرات آپ کل ، آج اور کل میڈیا پر دیکھتے آئے ہیں، دیکھ رہے ہیں اور دیکھتے رہیں گے

منجانب ادارہ تحفظ جنگلی سیاسی حیات

لگتا ھے تمھیں بھی اس نجکشن کی ضرورت ھے۔۔۔۔۔ بلکہ سارے پٹواریوں کو ھے کہ انسان کے پتر بن جائے ورنہ جانور تو ویسے بھی ھیں۔

 

[aykay47]

جزاک اللہ

اللہ آپکو مزید توفیق دے اور نیکی جاریہ کا اجر بھی، آمین

It was certainly not directed at you brother. I was just thinking aloud. I struggle to grasp what happened to us collectively. I am sure that I am much older than you and I just wonder that there was some point in time in our lives where our collective approach and attitudes started to change for the worse. I still remember the times when behaviors were different. I am afraid that the newer generation doesn't even realize that there is this inherent flaw that has taken root in our collective psyche.

You are right that we are all fallible and succumb to these behaviors. You made me realize that I myself need to do it more often than not. Thanks.

I just hope that at some point of we realize that even with our differing ideologies and differences the collective good among us overtakes the negative and not so good behaviors that have seeped in over the last 2-3 decades.

 

[Aleph]

I don't. And this is why I am frustrated! Imran Khan is giving WAY TOO MUCH time to a rumor.

In any case, if twitter is to believed, then this girl is just about ready to come forward and conduct a press conference.

give me a single proof abt this allegation, i promise i will be no more supporting pti n ik

 

[aykay47]

حقیقت اور اس کی کڑواہٹ

محسوس تو ہو گی نا

;)

لگتا ھے تمھیں بھی اس نجکشن کی ضرورت ھے۔۔۔۔۔ بلکہ سارے پٹواریوں کو ھے کہ انسان کے پتر بن جائے ورنہ جانور تو ویسے بھی ھیں۔

 

[mrk123]

I don't. And this is why I am frustrated! Imran Khan is giving WAY TOO MUCH time to a rumor.

I think that there is more to it than what we know. Something had been cooking specially if people were talking about back in March.
I still think that IK mishandled it. This is why I think that he couldn't achieve bigger things since he has developed this habit of entangling himself in trivial things.

He needs some sharp advisers. He may be a great cricketer but he is certainly not adept at this game. The problem is that he doesn't realize that
and doesn't seem to know his weaknesses. I guess he never found a Michael Procter in politics who could have taken him to the next level.

In any case, if twitter is to believed, then this girl is just about ready to come forward and conduct a press conference.

I don't think its going to happen especially if the rumors are to be believed about the identity of this girl.

 

[Nice2MU]

حقیقت اور اس کی کڑواہٹ

محسوس تو ہو گی نا

;)

حقیقت تو یہ ھے دونوں نورے ایک نمبر کے دماغی مریض ھیں اور پاکستان کو تباہ کرکے چھوڑینگے۔

 

[لیڈر صاحب]

تو یہ ہے پاکستانی قوم، عمران کو چاہیے کہ ان لوگوں کو ان کے حال پر چھوڑ کر چلاجائے، یہ جو بھی لکھنے والے ہین ہین تو انسان ہی نا، دہاڑی دار سہی، ان کی بھی بہنیں تو ہوں گی نا، جب ان کی بہنوں کو پاکستان کی گلیون مین سرِ عام حاملہ کیا جائے گا تو ان کی آنکھین ضرور کھلیں گی، حد ہوتی ہے حرامزدگی کی بھی معاملہ صرف اتنا ہے کہ عمران نے جیو کا بائکاٹ کیا اور جیو نے ایک کتا اس پر بھونکنے کے لیے چھوڑ دیا جس کا نام عمر چیمہ ہے، لعنت ہے اس قوم پر

 

[khaaki]

This shows the internal guilt, hurting him badly. it also exposed his true colour (sultan rahi barak baz). he was hard working cricketer, but can not be a leader.
His career started with perchi through (his cousins barki and majid were senior cricketer). He is real opportunist (clearer from his cricket, politics and personal choices ).
Pakistan needs bloody revolution...........................[/QUOTE]- and let you be the first one taken to the gallows!!