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rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Since Traveeh Prayer existed during the time Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and Umer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) just organised this prayer under one Imam hence it is not biddah. Biddah is something new in religion without support of Quraan or Sunnah. The Traveeh can be supported by hadeeths and even you agree that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) performed it for three days hence there is support from Sunnah pbuh for it. If Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) had celebrated his birthday only once in his life time than we had "Jawaz" (justification) to celebrate his (صلى الله عليه وسلم) birthday. For example Sufi raqs is a biddah as it was never done by Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).


Wrong again! Tarwh existed but Tarwh in congregation for more than 3 days did NOT exist and this is why `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) called it a bid`a! Now is our understanding of bid`a better than `Umars? Are you daring to accuse `Umar of lying?! This is the entire Hadth:


- This is the narration in question and displays that it is the teaching of the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) and the methodology employed by his blessed companions to accept “good innovations” and reject “bad” ones.

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ﺮﻣﻋ ﻊﻤ ﺕﺠﺭﺨ :ﻞﺎﻘ ﻪﻧﺃ ﻱﺭﺎﻗﻠﺍﺪﺒﻋ ﻥﺒ ﻥﻣﺤﺮﻠﺍﺪﺒﻋ ﻦﻋ
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،ﺪﺠﺴﻤﻟﺍ ﻰﻟﺇ ﻥﺎﻀﻤﺭ ﻲﻓ ﺔﻠﻴﻠ ﻪﻨﻋ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺐﺎﻂﺧﻠﺍ
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ﻲﻠﺻﻳ ،ﻪﺳﻓﻧﻠ ﻝﺠﺭﻟﺍ ﻲﻠﺼﻴ ﻥﻭﻗﺮﻔﺘﻣ ﻉﺍﺯﻭﺃ ﺲﺎﻧﻟﺍ
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ﻲﻧﺇ :ﻪﻨﻋ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺭﻤﻋ ﻝﺎﻗﻔ ،ﻃﻫﺭﻟﺍ ﻪﺘ ﻼﺻﺒ ﻲﻠﺼﻴﻔ
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ﻢﺛ ،ﻝﺜﻤﺃ ﻥﺎﻛﻠ ﺪﺣﺍﻭ ﺀﻯﺮﺎﻘ ﻰﻟﻋ ﺀﻻﺆﻫ ﺕﻌﻣﺟﻭﻟ
ﻯﺮﺨﺃ ﺔﻠﻴﻠ ﻪﻌﻣ ﺕﺠﺭﺨ ﻡﺜ ،ﺐﻌﻜ ﻦﺒ ﻲﺒﺃ ﻰﻠﻋ ﻡﻬﻌﻤﺠﻔ
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:ﻪﻨﻋ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺭﻤﻋ ﻞﺎﻗ ،ﻡﻬﺋﺮﺎﻗ ﺓﻼﺼﺒ ﻥﻭﻠﺻﻳ ﺲﺎﻧﻠﺍ
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،ﻦﻭﻤﻭﻘﻴ ﻲﺗﻟﺍ ﻥﻣ ﻞﺿﻔﺃ ﺎﻬﻧﻋ ﻦﻮﻣﺎﻨﻴ ﻲﺘﻟﺍﻮ ،ﻩﺫﻫ ﺔﻋﺪﺑﻠﺍ
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ﻪﻠﻭﺃ ﻥﻭﻣﻮﻗﻴ ﺲﺎﻨﻠﺍ ﻥﺎﻛ ،ﻞﻳﻟﻠﺍ ﺭﺧﺁ
“`Abdur-Rahmn ibn `Abdul-Qr narrates that he went into the mosque with `Umar ibn al-Khattb in the month of Ramadn. There he saw the people praying individually by themselves or in small groups. `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) said: 'By Allah! It would be better for you to gather behind a single reciter (qr, meaning imm).' He then gathered them behind Ubayy ibn Ka`b. Then on another night, `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) saw that the people had gathered themselves behind one imm. `Umar said: 'What a good innovation this is (ni` matil-bid`atu hdhih [and a slightly different wording but with the same meaning from al-Bukhr's Sahh: ni`mal-bid`atu hdhih]). And the time people go to sleep in, i.e. tahajjud time, is better than the one being performed (i.e. the tarwh)' and the people read (the tarwh) at the early part (of the night).”

(Bukhr, as-Sahh, Kitb Saltut-Tarwh, #1906 Mlik, Muwatta, 1:114, #250 Bayhaq, as-Sunanul-Kubr, 2:394, #4379 Bayhaq, Shu`abul-mn, 3:177, #3269 Zayla`, Nasbur-Rya, 2:152, #118 Ibn Qudma, al-Mughn, 1:455)



There is ijm` on the acceptance of Mawlid for 1000 years. The Sahba and Tbi`n not arranging such gatherings in the form that we do does not mean that it is prohibited. Their methodology was to accept good innovations and reject bad ones and this is the guideline that has been adopted by later generations of Muslim scholarship. There are literally hundreds of types of gatherings held in our time, which were never done during the eras of the early generation of Muslims. Examples of these are, Shaykh Muhammad bin `Abdul-Wahhb Week (organised in Saudi Arabia), Khilafa Conference, Anti-war rallies, Anti-Voting ralies [?!], Centenary (100 year) Anniversary of the opening of Darul-`Ulum Deoband (arranged in India, in which flowers were thrown, slogans were made, decorations were put up and Indira Gandhi was the main guest), Celebrating the creation of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India which take place every year on exactly the same day etc and the hundreds of talks, exhibitions, concerts, conferences for the hundreds of Islamic issues that effect Muslims which take place in mosques, centres, colleges, universities etc. The list is huge but strangely objection seems only to be made against gatherings in remembrance of the birth of the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) which has been organised for over 1,000 years unbroken. To make any gathering about the Holy Prophet (saw) which consists of only halal activities, whether it is the birth of the Prophet, his migration, his talking, his walking, his greeting people, his meeting people, his miracles, his battles, his ascension (mi`raj), the revelation to him etc all of these are permitted.


Not all considered commemorating the Mawlid to be a bid`a. They used the following as one of many sources in Hadth literature for commemorating the Mawlid.


It is related in a Hadth of Sahh al-Bukhr:

فَلَمَّا مَاتَ أَبُو لَهَبٍ أُرِيَهُ بَعْضُ أَهْلِهِ بِشَرِّ حِيبَةٍ قَالَ لَهُ مَاذَا لَقِيتَ قَالَ أَبُو لَهَبٍ لَمْ أَلْقَ بَعْدَكُمْ غَيْرَ أَنِّي سُقِيتُ فِي هَذِهِ بِعَتَاقَتِي ثُوَيْبَةَ

“After Ab Lahb died, someone from his household saw him in a dream in a bad condition. They asked him, ‘What condition are you in?’ Ab Lahb replied, `I am in severe punishment which I can never escape from. I get a lessening [in the punishment] for freeing my slave girl Thuwayba.”

(Bukhr, as-Sahh, 5:1961, Kitbun-nikh, #4813 `Abdur-Razzq, al-Musannaf, 7:478, #13955 Bayhaq, as-Sunanul-Kubra, 7:162; Bayhaq, Shu`abul-mn, 1:261; Bayhaq, Dal'ilun-Nubuwwa, 1:150; Suhayl, ar-Rawdul-unf, 5:192; Ibn Kathr, as-Sratun-Nabawiyya, 1:224; Ibn Dayba` Shaybn, Had'iqul-Anwr, 1:134; Baghaw, Sharhus-Sunna, 9:76, #2282 Zayla`, Nasbur-rya, 3:168; `Asqaln, Fathul-br, 9:945; `Ayn, `Umdatul-qr, 20:95; `mir, Bahjatul-mahfil, 1:41; Muhaddith Dehelw, Madrijun-Nubuwwa, 2:19)


The great Hadth scholar, Hfiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqaln (rahmatullhi `alay) states with reference to Imm Suhayl (rahmatullhi `alay):

أن العباس قال لما مات أبو لهب رأيته في منامي بعد حول في شر حال فقال ما لقيت بعدكم راحة الا أن العذاب يخفف عني كل يوم اثنين قال وذلك أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ولد يوم الإثنين وكانت ثويبة بشرت أبا لهب بمولده فاعتقها

“`Abbs said:

‘When Ab Lahb died, I saw him one year later in a dream in a very bad state. I heard him say, ‘After separating from you, I have had no rest what so ever and am gripped in a severe punishment. But the punishment is lessened every Monday.’.’

[The reason for this is that] the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) was born on a Monday. His punishment is lessened because of [Ab Lahb's slave girl] Thuwayba giving him [Ab Lahb] the glad tidings and him setting her free out of happiness for his birth (mawlid).”

(`Asqaln, Fathul-br, 9:145)



An interesting quote is the following statement of Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd, who wrote:


“Ab Lahb was seen in a dream after his death and he was asked, `What condition are you in?' He replied, `I am in fire except on every Monday when there is a lessening of the punishment.' He then began gesturing with his fingers and said, `Water comes from between these two fingers of mine which I drink and as a result of this, there is a lessening in the punishment [I receive]. I freed Thuwayba when she gave me the good news of the birth of the Holy Prophet (saw).”

(Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb an-Najd, Mukhtasar Sratur-Rasl (Lahore: Matb'a Maktaba `Ilmiyya, 1979/Lahore: al-Maktabatus-Salafiyya, 1979), 13)


Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd then quotes Imm Ibn Jawz (rahmatullhi `alay) stating:


“If this is the state of such an unbeliever as Ab Lahb whose accursed nature has been revealed in the Holy Qur'an. That he receives a reward (of a lessening in the punishment). Then what would be the state of a Muslim from his Umma who believes in the Oneness of Allah and who shows happiness at his Mawlid?”

(Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb an-Najd, Mukhtasar Sratur-Rasl (Lahore: Matb'a Maktaba `Ilmiyya, 1979/Lahore: al-Maktabatus-Salafiyya, 1979), 13)


So would Imm Ibn Jawz (rahmatullhi `alay) be approving of something reprehensible or against Islam? Would Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd quote something that was against Islam?


Shaykhul-Islam Imm Jalluddn Suyt (rahmatullhi `alay) mentions a similar statement but from Hfiz Shamsud-dn al-Jazr.


Regarding the evidences for the spiritual dance, there are many Hadths from which 2 will be quoted from Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad:


Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallhu `anhu) narrates the following two narrations:


حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ عَنْ ثَابِتٍ عَنْ أَنَسٍ قَالَ كَانَتْ الْحَبَشَةُ يَزْفِنُونَ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَيَرْقُصُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ مُحَمَّدٌ عَبْدٌ صَالِحٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَا يَقُولُونَ قَالُوا يَقُولُونَ مُحَمَّدٌ عَبْدٌ صَالِحٌ.


Anas ibn Mlik (radiyallhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allh (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSn/raqS) while saying “Muhammad is a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Slih)” (in their dialect/language). Allh’s Messenger (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Slih!”.

(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Cairo: Mu’assasat Qurtuba), 3:152, #12562)


This has been narrataed with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim.


Related to this, Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad:


قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ دَاوُدَ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ يَعْنِي ابْنَ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ قَالَتْ وَضَعَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ذَقْنِي عَلَى مَنْكِبَيْهِ لِأَنْظُرَ إِلَى زَفْنِ الْحَبَشَةِ حَتَّى كُنْتُ الَّتِي مَلِلْتُ فَانْصَرَفْتُ عَنْهُمْ


“`’isha stated that Allh’s Messenger (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashs) dance.”

(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Cairo: Mu’assasat Qurtuba), 6:116, #24898)


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahmahullh) himself said about the Sfs: "I don't know people better than them." Someone said to him: "They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy." He said: "Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allh?" (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarn al-Hanbal (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha' al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906)


This is our Islamic tradition, not Pakistani tradition!
 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Compilation of Quraan was not biddah as the same Quraan which was revealed to Prophet Muhammad was compiled. If somebody add a Surrah to the Quraan then it will be diddah.



The vowel (dots) on Quraanic letters is not biddat as just enhanced the readability of Quraan by a non-Arab, words were not changed. If somebody adds a new words to Quraan then it will be called Biddah.

- The Qur’n was NOT compiled and collected into a ONE volume book. This is clear from the words of the Sahba which you mention yourself!! Hence it WAS a bid`a! Read what you write before commenting. Abu Bakr (radiyallahu `anhu) said: "How can I do something which the Prophet (s) did NOT do?"

- The vowels similarly did not exist before and hence they too are a bid`a.


I’ll mention one more example out of hundreds:


- Bukhari and Muslim relate that Rifa'a ibn Rafi said, "When we were praying behind the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) and he raised his head from bowing and said , "Allah hears whoever praises Him", a man behind him said, "Our Lord, Yours is the praise, abundantly, wholesomely, and blessedly therein." When he rose to leave, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked "who said it", and when the man replied that it was he, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "I saw thirty-odd angels each striving to be the one to write it."

The man did this but it was NOT commanded, hence the Prophet (s) asking about it.

Ibn Hajar says in Fath al-Bari that the hadith indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through hadith texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the hadith [since the above words were a mere enhancement and addendum to the known, sunna dhikr].


So it is the Sunna of the companions to accept good innovations and reject bad ones.

All of the greatest scholars of Islam divided bid`a into good and bad:


* Shaykhul-Islam `Izzuddn ibn `Abdus-Salm. He divided bid`a into the following five categories: wjib, mustahab, mubh, makrh and harm. (`Izzuddn ibn `Abdis-Salm, Qaw`idul-Ahkm f Maslihil-an`m, 2:173)


* Hujjatul-Islam Imm al-Ghazl. Divided bid`a into good and bad. (Ghazl, Ihy`ulmuddn, 2:3)


* Shaykhul-Islm Imm Nawaw. He states:

“Al-Bid`a in the Law (shar`a) is the innovating of what did not exist in the time of the Messenger of Allh (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) and is divided into 'excellent' and 'bad' (wahya munqasimatun il Hasana wa qabHa). The Shaykh, `Izzud-dn ibn `Abdus-Salm stated in his book, al-Qaw`id: ‘Innovation is divided into obligatory (wjiba), forbidden (muharrama), recommended (mandba), offensive (makrha), and indifferent (mubha).’”

(Nawaw, Tahdhbul-Asm' wal-Lught, 3:22)


* Ibn Athr in his Jmi`ul-Usl.


* Shaykhul-Islam Imm Ibn Hajar al-`Asqaln. He states:

“The root meaning of innovation (bid`a) is what is produced without precedent. It is applied in the law in opposition to the Sunna and is therefore blameworthy. Strictly speaking, if it is part of what is classified as commendable (mustahsana) by the law then it is a good innovation (hasana), while if it is part of what is classified as blameworthy by the law then it is blameworthy (mustaqbaha), otherwise it falls in the category of what is permitted indifferently (mubh). It can be divided into the known five categories.”

(`Asqaln, Fathul-Br, 4:253)


* Shaykhul-Islam Imm Jalluddn as-Suyt in his Misbhuz-zujja Hshiyya Ibn Mja.

 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Our Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) taught us following:

Narrated 'Ali: We have nothing except the Book of Allah and this written paper from the Prophet (where-in is written: ) Medina is a sanctuary from the 'Air Mountain to such and such a place, and whoever innovates in it an heresy (بدعت) or commits a sin, or gives shelter to such an innovator in it will incur the curse of Allah, the angels, and all the people, none of his compulsory or optional good deeds of worship will be accepted. And the asylum (of protection) granted by any Muslim is to be secured (respected) by all the other Muslims; and whoever betrays a Muslim in this respect incurs the curse of Allah, the angels, and all the people, and none of his compulsory or optional good deeds of worship will be accepted, and whoever (freed slave) befriends (take as masters) other than his manumitters without their permission incurs the curse of Allah, the angels, and all the people, and none of his compulsory or optional good deeds of worship will be accepted. (Sahih Bukhari, Book #30, Hadith #94)

Anas reported: One day the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was sitting amongst us that he dozed off. He then raised his head smilingly. We said: What makes you smile. Messenger of Allah? He said: A Sura has just been revealed to me, and then recited: In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Verily We have given thee Kauthar (fount of abundance). Therefore turn to thy Lord for prayer and offer sacrifice, and surely thy enemy is cut off (from the good). Then he (the Holy Prophet) said: Do you know what Kauthar is? We said: Allah and His Messenger know best. The Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: It (Kauthar) is a canal which my Lord, the Exalted and Glorious has promised me, and there is an abundance of good in it. It is a cistern and my people would come to it on the Day of Resurrection, and tumblers there would be equal to the number of stars. A servant would be turned away from (among the people gathered there). Upon this I would say: My Lord, he is one of my people, and He (the Lord) would say: You do not know that he innovated new things (in Islam) after you. Ibn Hujr made this addition in the hadith:" He (the Holy Prophet) was sitting amongst us in the mosque, and He (Allah) said: (You don't know) what he innovated after you"
(Sahih Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #0790)

Jabir b. Abdullah said: When Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) delivered the sermon, his eyes became red, his voice rose. and his anger increased so that he was like one giving a warning against the enemy and saying:" The enemy has made a morning attack on you and in the evening too." He would also say:" The last Hour and I have been sent like these two." and he would join his forefinger and middle finger; and would further say:" The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the beet of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. And the most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is error." He would further say:, I am more dear to a Muslim even than his self; and he who left behind property that is for his family. and he who dies under debt or leaves children (in helplessness). the responsibility (of paying his debt and bringing up his children) lies on me."
(Sahih Muslim Book #004, Hadith #1885)

'Asim reported: I asked Anas b. Malik whether Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had declared Medina as sacred. He said: Yes. (the area) between so and so. He who made any innovation in it, and further said to me: It is something serious to make any innovation in it (and he who does it) there is upon him the curse of Allah, and that of the angels and of all the people, Allah will not accept from him on the Day of Resurrection either obligatory acts or the surpererogatory acts. Ibn Anas said: Or he accommodates an innovator.
(Sahih Muslim Book #007, Hadith #3159)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #49, Hadith #861)

'A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who innovates things in our affairs for which there is no valid (reason) (commits sin) and these are to be rejected. (Sahih Muslim, Book #018, Hadith #4266)

I have already explained that you should not twist the words of the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa alihi wa sallam).


The prophetic hadith:


"Beware of matters newly begun, for every matter newly begun is innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in hell."


The scholars say that the above hadith does NOT refer to all new things without restriction, but ONLY to those which nothing in Sacred Law attests to the validity of. The use of the word "every - kul" in the hadith does not indicate an absolute generalization, for there are many examples of similar generalizations in the Qur'an and sunna that are not applicable without restriction, but rather are qualified by restrictions found in other primary textual evidence, such as the word of Allah Most High in Surat al-Najm,

". . . A man can have nothing, except what he strives for" (Koran 53:39),


despite there being an overwhelming amount of evidence that a Muslim benefits from the spiritual works of others, for example, from his fellow Muslims, the prayers of angels for him, the funeral prayer over him, charity given by others in his name, and the supplications of believers for him;


Or consider the words of Allah to unbelievers in Surat al-Anbiya,


"Verily you and what you worship apart from Allah are the fuel of hell" (Koran 21:98),


"what you worship" being a general expression, while there is no doubt that Jesus, his mother, and the angels were all worshipped apart from Allah, but are not "the fuel of hell", so are not what is meant by the verse; Or the word of Allah Most High in Surat al-Anam about past nations who paid no heed to the warners who were sent to them,


"But when they forgot what they had been reminded of, We opened unto them the doors of everything" (Koran 6:44),


though the doors of mercy were not opened unto them!


So one cannot make up their own meaning to Hadths or mistranslate them by ignoring the rules of classical Arabic (sarf, nahw, ma`n, bad`, istishqq, mantiq, lugha etc).


The scholar, the one of a kind in his time, the authority of his age, the commentator of Sahh Muslim, al-Hfiz an-Nawaw, explained these Hadiths clearly:

“The Prophet’s (s) saying kul bid`a (every bid`a) is a general- particular (m makhss) and it is a reference to most of the bida` (innovations). The linguistics say: It (bid`a) is any act done without a previous pattern, and it is five different kind.”

(Nawaw, Sharh Sahh Muslim, 6:21)


The Hadths you have mentioned as explained above refer to innovations of misguidance.

Shaykh-ul-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytam similarly states:

“And as for the Hadth ‘Every innovation is misguidance and every misguidance is in the Hell fire’ this Hadth is applied to reprehensible/bad innovations. It has NEVER been applied to anything other than this.”

(Ibn Hajar al-Haytam, al-Fatwal-Hadthiyya, 130)


Mull `Al al-Qr states the same:

“ay kullu bid`atin sayyi'atin Dallatun li qawluh `alayhiS-Saltu was-salm man sanna fil-islmi sunnata Hasanatan falah ajruh wa ajru man `amila bih wa jama` ab bakrin wa `umarinil-qur'n wa katabtuh zaydin fil-muSHaf wa jadad f `ahd `uthmn (radiyallhu `anhum).”

“It means, every ‘bid`a WHICH IS BAD (sayyi'ah) is misguidance’ because he (`alayhis-saltu was-salm) stated: ‘who so ever innovates a good innovation in Islam will get the rewards of it and the rewards of those who practice it after.’ Examples of this are the compiling of the Qur'an by Ab Bakr and `Umar, having it writing in the form of a [one volume] book by Zayd and reviving it in the era of `Uthmn.”

(`Al Qr, Mirqt Sharh Mishkt, 1:216)


So stop twisting, misinterpreting, misapplying and mistranslating the sayings of our beloved Prophet (s).
 

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Imam al-Shatibi's Comprehensive and Definitive Definition of Bid'ah

It seems that innovator do not have a clear understanding of the definition of "Bid'ah". I would invite the innovators to read following article to understand the definition of Bid'ah.

Imaam al-Shatibee in his excellent work, al-I'tisaam, has provided the most comprehensive, concise and definitive legislative definition of al-bid'ah (البدعة) and the foundations would not be complete except by a discussion of it. Imaam al-Shatibee said in al-I'tisaam (1/43):
فالبدعة إذن عبارة عن: طريقة في الدين مخترعة تضاهي الشرعيّة، يُقصد بالسلوك عليها المبالغة في التعبد لله تعالى​
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[The word] innovation (al-bid'ah) then, is an expression of:
  1. A path taken in religion
  2. Which is invented
  3. And resembles the Shari'ah
  4. And by whose practice exaggeration in worshipping Allaah, the Exalted, is intended.
This definition was elaborated upon by al-Shatibee himself and likewise there are from the Scholars from Ahl al-Sunnah who have commented upon it. It contains numerous elements and they can be summarized as follows:

Element 1:
A path (طريقة), this is any sabeel, tareeq, sunan (all terms referring to ways), they are all the same, and it refers whatever is laid down in order to be followed and traversed. So this is the first matter here, that the intent behind the devising or initiation of such a path is for it to be taken as a course of action.

Element 2:
In religious matters (في الدين), so this excludes all other affairs, such as habits, customs and so on, and this is because this path or way is being ascribed to the religion, and if it was a worldly matter, it would not be labelled a bid'ah (innovation) [in the legislative sense]. Thus all worldly affairs are outside of the definition of bid'ah. This is important to grasp because in the language of some of the Scholars one can find them using this term in its wider linguistic sense, and examples of this can be found in the speech of Imaam al-Shafi'ee, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah and Shaykh Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahhaab.

Element 3:
Invented (مخترعة), meaning it has no previous example or model, and with this restriction, many things are excluded from the definition of bid'ah, in particular those things that do have a foundation in the Shari'ah and such things include the compilation of the Qur'an, the writing and compiling of hadeeth, the congregational tarawih prayer, the principles of fiqh, knowledge of grammar and morphology and so on. Even if they were not formally present, their foundations can be found in the Shari'ah. So these are not considered innovations in the legislative (blameworthy sense), and whoever referred to them as innovations, only did so in the linguistic sense, as is found in the saying of Umar bin al-Khattaab about his gathering the people together in a single jamaa'ah for the taraaweeh prayer, that it is an "excellent bid'ah," and this action has a foundation in the Sunnah as the Messenger (alayhis salaam) led the people for three days in Ramadan in congregational taraweeh prayer.

Element 4:
Resembles the Shari'ah (تضاهي الشرعيّة), this is a another crucial part to the definition, because innovation in the religion is of two types. One that has absolutely no basis and is completely alien to the religion and other type which resembles the Shari'ah in its foundation, but opposes the Shari'ah in its form and details and most innovations are of this nature. Al-Shatibee gives some examples of what is meant by this part of his definition and he mentions congregational dhikr (remembrance in unison with a single voice), annd taking the birthday of the Prophet (alayhis salaam) as a day of celebratoin (eed). Dhikr has a foundation in the Shari'ah as does a day of celebration (eed), however in the particular details, these matters (dhikr in unison and the celebrating the Prophet's birthday) are innovations. Al-Shaatibee says that if it was not the nature of innovations to resemble the Shari'ah they would be treated nothing more than habitual actions. Al-Shatibee also explains that the person of innovation innovates these matters from the outset to make them resemble the Shari'ah so that he can deceive others and he will mix affairs of the Sunnah with his innovation, as this is the only way that he will get any response from the people. This is from the most important things that al-Shatibee points out, because you see the innovators, from the contemporary grave-worshippers and other than them who try to justify their actions by claiming they have a basis in the Shari'ah. This is not the place to refute this doubt, inshaa'Allaah it will be done in another article, but it is important to make careful note of this, that it is the very nature of innovation to strongly resemble the Sharee'ah and thus most innovation will have a basis in the Sharee'ah in some aspect, but depart from it in other aspects.

Element 5:
Exaggeration in worship of Allah is what is intended by traversing the particular innovated way (يُقصد بالسلوك عليها المبالغة في التعبد لله تعالى), this is from the completion of the definition of bid'ah, because this is the main objective behind inventing it, and it is as if the Innovator thinks that he has license to do this because it is the objective for his creation, as per the saying of Allaah, "I have not created Jinn and Men except to worship me" (51:56). However, it has not become clear to him that what Allaah has legislated of the laws, rules and limits is sufficient. However, often the innovator has desires such as wanting to be followed, and this is what motivates him to innovate for the people through the claimed objective of bringing them closer to Allaah. And in this regard al-Shatibee quotes the saying of Mu'adh bin Jabal (radiallaahu anhu):

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It is feared that a man might say: They are not my followers and will not follow me, even though I have recited the Qur'an to them. They will not follow me until I innovated something else for them. So beware from what he innovators, for what he innovates is misguidance. Reported by Abu Dawud in his Sunan, al-Darimi in his Sunan, and likewise al-Aajurree in al-Shari'ah, Ibn Waddah in al-Bida' and others.


Al-Shatibee also points out that from this part of the definition, it becomes clear that the notion of innovation [that is blameworthy] does not enter into the habitual matters (al-aadaat). There are ways and matters innovated, which resemble the Shari'ah but nearness to Allaah and worship of Him are not intended by them, so these matters do not enter into the definition of bid'ah. Examples he gives include imposed fines (that a ruler may subject upon his subjects) that have a particular value which may resemble that of zakah, likewise making use of sieves and washing hands with potash from the things that were not previously present. Whilst they may resemble something from the Shari'ah, they are not intended to make exaggeration in worshipping Allaah, the Exalted.

Element 6:
Al-Shatibee also explains that included within this definition is the bid'ah tarkiyyah, and this is when a person abandons an action, seeking closeness and nearness to Allaah, and this abandonment is in opposition to the Shari'ah.

Refer to:

  • al-I'tisaam (tahqiq, M. Salman, Maktabah al-Tawhid) 1/41-55.
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al-boriqee

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asalamu alaikum warahmatullah


how does biddat differ from ijtihad?


Imaam ash-Shaatibee explains bida as


فالبدعة إذن عبارة عن: طريقة في الدين مخترعة تضاهي الشرعيّة، يُقصد بالسلوك عليها المبالغة في التعبد لله تعال

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[The word] innovation (al-bid'ah) then, is an expression of:
A path taken in religion
Which is invented
And resembles the Shari'ah
And by whose practice exaggeration in worshipping Allaah, the Exalted, is intended.
Ijtihaad in contrast to this is the derivation of a stance in comparing a textual source that resembles in likeness to the newly arisen matter.


i'm afraid you can't make up your own meanings to islamic terms. You have to take the meanings from the qur'an and sunna as understood by the classical authorities of the past.


agreed


The dn is complete and a teaching of the dn is to accept innovations that are liked or good (hasana) and reject innovations that are disliked and blameworthy (madhmma or sayyi'ah) or which are raised to the level of essentials of the dn.


Bida is not classified into "bida hasana" or "bida say'iyyah" in its mother category. The manner in which the classical sunni scholars expressed the categorization of bida is that they categorized bida as being
1. bidatu-shar'i
2. bidatu-idaaree (linguistic)


Now, within the framwework of idaaree, then such bidat can be further sub-categorized into bida hasana or say'iyyah. Thus bida hasana or otherwise is not the primary part of such a hierarchical categorization, but rather a sub category. The shariah evidences are to be understood together and interlinked with each other in order to reach proper understanding and they are not to be isolated from its counter proofs on the same topic. Obviously someone who does not understand the shariah will view the prophet's statements
"every bida is dalaalah...." and the other statement "whoever introduces a bida hasana....." to be contradictory. However, for someone who has fiqh, then they understand that one makes takhsees of the other and that the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salam's statement of every innovation is misguidance is pertaining to bida that pertains to aspects related to the shar' (legislation) and has nothing to do with idaaree, or what many people identify as "linguistic". Likewise the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allah alaihi salatu salam about whoever introduces a bida hasana, obviously from the perspective of the fuqahaa is pertaining to those masaail that are idaaree in nature and has absolutely nothing to do with any shar'i basis.


some people object to commemorating the mawlid on account of misunderstanding the hadth of bid`a.


the reason why the classical sunni scholars objected to the inventions of the innovators on milaadu-nabi as commented by Ibn Katheer (who actually identifies that the people who invented this bida were the fatimi shi'a, a murtad sect) and others is because that particular innovation perfectly is in sync with the very basis of how Imaam ash-Shaatibi al-Maaliki has identified bida in the religion.


`irbd ibn sriya (radiyallhu `anhu) relates that the holy prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) stated:
وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور فإن كل محدثة بدعة وكل بدعة ضلالة
wa iyykum wa muhdathtul-umr fa'inna kullu muhdathatin bid`atun wa kullu bid`atin dalla
beware of every novelty for every novelty is a bid`a and every bid`a is misguidance.
(ab dwd, as-sunan, 4:200, kitbus-sunna, bb f luzmus-sunna, #4607 tirmidh, al-jmi`us-sahh, 5:44, kitbul-`ilm, bb mj'a fil-akhdh bis-sunna, #2676 ibn mja, as-sunan, muqaddima, bb ittib'is-sunnatul-khulaf'ir-rshidn, 1:15, #42 ibn mja, as-sunan, muqaddima, bb ittib'is-sunnatul-khulaf'ir-rshidn, 1:15, #44 ahmad ibn hanbal, al-musnad, 4:162; ibn hibbn, as-sahh, 1:178, #5 tabarn, musnad ash-shammiyn, 1:446, #786 tabarn, al-mu`jamul-kabr, 18:249, #624 drim, as-sunan, 1:57, #95 bayhaq, shu`abul-mn, 2:27, #7516 hkim, al-mustadrak, 1:174, #329 hkim, al-mustadrak, 1:176, #332)


the understanding of this hadth according to the classical scholars of hadth of the past is very different to what certain quarters lead us to believe in these troubled times.


the basis of this claim can only result in two outcomes, that being that
1. you are right, and such new quarters have invented a new definition for bida
or
2. you do not have the established view of the classical sunni scholars to identify what actually was their view to determine the basis of the arguments established by this new quarter.


You will obviously contend with the first, and I will by Allah's Grace, explain why this affair you find yourself in is in the second and to desire good for you as I for myself


The classical hadth master, mull `al al-qr [d. 1014] explains this hadth:
ay kullu bid`atin sayyi'atin dallatun li qawluh `alayhis-saltu was-salm man sanna fil-islmi sunnata hasanatan falah ajruh wa ajru man `amila bih wa jama` ab bakrin wa `umarinil-qur'n wa katabtuh zaydin fil-mushaf wa jadad f `ahd `uthmn (radiyallhu `anhum).
it means, every bid`a which is bad (sayyi'ah) is misguidance because he (`alayhis-saltu was-salm) stated: who so ever innovates a good innovation in islam will get the rewards of it and the rewards of those who practice it after. examples of this are the compiling of the qur'an by ab bakr and `umar, having it writing in the form of a [one volume] book by zayd and reviving it in the era of `uthmn.
(`al qr, mirqt sharh mishkt, 1:216)


This is a proof for our sunni argument and is against your theory. While someone may be stuck to reside themselves to the wording of what Mullah Ali al-Qaari has said rahimahullah, by saying verbatim "say'iyyah" and "hasana", people who desire to arrive on accuracy, correctness , and to the pleasure of Allah will understand his usage of these terms by way of what he himself has classified in this very statement. if one tries to arrive at the substance of his argument, one will recognize that he qualifies what he means by "good innovation" by citing examples of that like compiling the Qur'an. In the view of the Sunni orthodox scholars, the compilation of the Qur'an has nothing to do with a bida that pertains to the shariah, rather it is an idaaree, rather "linguistic" existence that has nothing to do with introducing a new concept that differs from the revealed shariah in either number, form, cause, type, place, or time.


Thus Imaam Ali al-Qaari saying "it means, every bid`a which is bad (sayyi'ah) is misguidance because he (`alayhis-saltu was-salm) stated: whosoever innovates a good innovation in islam will get the rewards of it and the rewards of those who practice it after.


and we saying "all innovation is bad unless it falls under what is idaaree, or linguistic", is virtually the same thing yet expressed differently.


this understanding of bid`a is explained further with the following sahh (rigorously authenticated) hadth which mull `al al-qr cited above.


it is related on the authority of jarr ibn `abdullh (radiyallhu `anhu) that the holy prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) stated:
من سن في الإسلام سنة حسنة فله أجرها وأجر من عمل بها بعده من غير أن ينقص من أجورهم شيء ومن سن في الإسلام سنة سيئة كان عليه وزرها ووزر من عمل بها من بعده من غير أن ينقص من أوزارهم شيء
man sanna fil-islmi sunnatan hasanatan falah ajruh wa ajru man `amila bih ba`dih min ghayri ay-yanqusa min ujrihim shay' wa man sanna fil-islmi sunnatan sayyi'atan kna `alayhi wazrih wa wizru man `amila bih min ba`dih min ghayri ay-yanqusa min awzrihim shay'.
whoever innovates a good innovation in islam has its reward and the reward of those who would practice upon it until the day of judgement - without lessening the rewards of those who practice with it. The one who innovates the innovation of misguidance, would take the sin for it and the sin of those who practice upon it until the day of judgement--without lessening the sin of those who practice with it.
(muslim, as-sahh, 2:705, kitbuz-zakt, #1017 nas', as-sunan, 5:55, kitbuz-zakt, #2554 ahmad ibn hanbal, al-musnad, 4:357-359; ibn hibbn, as-sahh, 8:101, 102, #3308 ibn ab shayba, al-musannaf, 2:350, #9803 bayhaq, as-sunanul-kubr, 4:175)


firstly, since the wording of this hadth is general, i.e. "whoever" (من) its application is general. Secondly, one cannot say that "sunna" (سن) in this hadth means the "sunna" of the holy prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) because the hadth describes both "good (hasana)" and "bad (sayyi'a)" sunnas. Since the prophetic sunna is only "good", the term "sunna" in the hadth refers to a new way or innovation and not sunna of the holy prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam). The hadth thus means that an innovation that is good is rewarded for while an innovation that is bad is punished for.


This is indeed a good argument on your behalf if people did not have any details about the explanatory shariah.
Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaani unsurprisingly explained these matters in detail in corresponding to the classical sunni stance as advocated by what you have identified as "a new quarters". He reports from Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee that


قال الشافعي "البدعة بدعتان: محمودة ومذمومة، فما وافق السنة فهو محمود وما خالفها فهو مذموم"

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Al-Shafi'i said:
Bidah is of two types: praiseworthy and blameworthy. Whatever is in agreemenet with the Sunnah it is praiseworthy and whatever opposes it is blameworthy.
Thus we all know by default that every innovation that is truly described as good is so because it automatically conforms with and has basis with the sunnah.


However, if this is not enough to explain, what Ibn Hajr then says will. He says


وأما " البدع " فهو جمع بدعة وهي كل شيء ليس له مثال تقدم فيشمل لغة ما يحمد ويذم ، ويختص في عرف أهل الشرع بما يذم وإن وردت في المحمود فعلى معناها اللغوي





i.e.
As for innovations (البدع), it is the plural of innovation (بدعة) and it is everything which does not have any prior example. Linguistically, [the word] encompasses what is both praiseworthy and blameworthy. In the usage of the people of the legislation (i.e. Scholars) it is specifically for what is blameworthy and if it is used in connection to what is praiseworthy, then it is upon its linguistic meaning.


So what do we have here. As with every terminology in Islam, words have a linguistic, and then have a separate shar'i meaning to it. From its linguistic meaning, it contains both what is praiseworthy and blameworthy. In the language of the fuqaha who define the parameters of the shariah, they have constricted bida to be nothing but blameworthy and ONLY as an exception to this, when it is used in a praiseworthy sense, it is based on its linguistic usage and not on its shar'i usage.
Thus inventing an airplane so Muslims can make Hajj is not a bida in the shar'i sense but in the linguistic sense and celebrating the milad of nabi is a bida in the shar'i sense and not in its linguistic sense.




it is inconceivable that so-called scholars of today who barely know more than a dozen hadths by heart have a better understanding than the traditional authorities of the dn of the past like those in the following list who committed more than 100,000 hadths to memory with their chains of transmission:


Haafidh al-Albaanee committed 100 thousand hadeeth to memory. As we say in hadeeth circles, he has them "hifdhan, haadhiran" meaning not only does he have them, but its present with him. In american English terminology of pop culture it is like saying "he got it like that". Some of the other classical modern day scholars do not reach his ankle, rather they have most or all of the six books memorized.




imam shfi`. Imm shfi` divided bid`a (innovation) into the two basic categories:
قال الشافعي المحدثات من الأمور ضربان ما احدث يخالف كتابا او سنة او اثرا او اجماعا فهذه البدعة ضلالة وما احدث من الخير لا خلاف فيه لواحد من هذا فهذه محدثة غير مذمومة قد قال عمر في قيام رمضان نعمت البدعة هذه يعني انها محدثة لم تكن واذ كانت فليس فيها رد لما مضى
innovated matters are of two kinds (al-muhdathtu minal-umri darbn): One is an innovation that contravenes (m uhditha yukhlifu) some-thing in the qur'n or the sunna or a companion-report (athar) or the consensus (ijm`): That innovation is misguidance (fahdhihil-bid`atu dalla). The other kind is the innovation of any and all good things (m uhditha minal-khayr) contravening none of the above, and this is a blameless innovation (wahdhihi muhdathatun ghayru madhmma). `umar said, concerning the prayers of ramadn: what a fine bid`a this is!* meaning that it was innovated without having existed before and, even so, there was nothing in it that contradicted the above.
(dhahab, siyar a`lmun-nubal', 8:408)


Shaykh Ahmad bin Hajar Aal Butami ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 1423H) explains in his book Tahdhir al-Muslimin anil-Ibtidaa' wal-Bida' fil-Din (Dar al-Imam al-Bukhari, 1428H, p. 114):
As for the saying of Imaam al-Shafi'i, "Bidah is of two types: praiseworthy and blameworthy. Whatever is in agreemenet with the Sunnah it is praiseworthy and whatever opposes the Sunnah is blameworthy", the intent behind "praiseworthy innovation" is what has been innovated of beneficial matters relating to worldly affairs and [affairs of] habitation, livelihood such as the use of radio, electricity, airplanes, cars and using the phone and what is similar to that of good and beneficial inventions. This is because they are not harmful (in and of themselves) and do not lead (in and of themselves) to any evil that comes to the people, or to the performance of what is haraam or destroying any foundation from the foundations of the religion. And Allaah, the Sublime and Exalted, has permitted His servants to invent whatever they wish to look after their worldly interests, He, the Exalted said (وَافْعَلُوا الْخَيْرَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ), "And work good that you may be successful" (2:77).


Thus Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee's statement is understood by the fuqahaa as pertaining to bida that is idaaree, or linguistic, and has nothing to do with inventions that affect the revealed law (shariah)


`al al-qr has not added to it at all! He has explained it because arabic is not like urdu or english. The word kul here is m makhss, meaning general specific. Also, `al al-qr is a hadth master who knew far more hadths and had far more powerful command of islamic sciences than websites like "islam q&a" and saudi government scholars like "sheikh muhammed salih al-munajjid" who can't even pronounce imam an-nasa'is name and instead writes it as "nisaa'i" or "womaniser"!


1. When only the shafi'ee ulema concluded the term "kul" to be am makhsus, they were speaking purely linguistically. However the shariah and the arrival to the truth of the shariah is not solely based on the linguistic usage alone, because Islam came to clarify guidance and did not come to explain arabic. Conversely, the majority of the Scholars of the Sunnah, when they look at this wording (كل بدعة ضلالة), they are upon the understanding that the word (بدعة) has already been qualified in the hadeeth of Aa'ishah (مَنْ أَحْدَثَ فِي أَمْرِنَا هَذَا مَا لَيْسَ مِنْهُ فَهُوَ رَدٌ), which restricts and qualifies innovations in religion only, since the Messenger said, introduces into this affair of ours", and hence when the Messenger (alayhis salaam) says (كل بدعة), this saying is absolute, unqualified and unrestricted and applies to every innovation in the religion.


Thus, in order for a bida to escape the ruling of the Messenger of Allah, it has to be something for which it falls OUTSIDE of the revealed law. That is the primary reason why Ibn Hajr clarifies in Fath al-Bari as quoted above that the fuqaha have a default view of bida being blameworthy, and it only becomes praiseworthy by way of exception, that pertains to its linguistic application thereby having nothing to do with the revealed law.


2. the ulema who rank above Mulla Al-Qaari have made definitive and irrefutable statements


3. You have just demonstrated a severe lack of ignorance of arabic in your demonstration of Imaam an-Nasaa'ees name. While i do concede to the view that his name is Nasaa'ee, like most of the persian names, these names were differed over between ahl-lugha vs ahl-hadeeth. The ahl-hadeeth were adamant to keep the name as pronounced in its original form, thus they favored Nisa'ee. Contrary to them were the ahl-lugha, who favored the position of arabizing the term, thus they favored an-Nasaa'ee over Nisa'ee. The fact that you were ignorant of these facts and concluded a dichotomy based on an immorality because it disagrees with your viewpoint reveals that you should not be engaging in these discussions to begin with.
4. Moreover, even the "saudis" are not unified in the nisbah of Ahmad bin Shu'ayb. moreover, most of them refer to him as "Nasaa'ee" and not "Nisa'ee''.


the scholar, the one of a kind in his time, the authority of his age, the commentator of sahh muslim, al-hfiz an-nawaw, said in sharh sahh muslim (6-21):
the prophets (s) saying kul bid`a (every bid`a) is a general- particular (m makhss) and it is a reference to most of the bida` (innovations). The linguistics say: It (bid`a) is any act done without a previous pattern, and it is five different kind.


the issue here is that al-Nawawi is absolutely correct that the word (كل) is indeed a generalization that is qualified - from his particular perspective of things (which is to see the word "bidah" purely with its linguistic meaning). The difference is that most of Ahl al-Sunnah believe that that word (بدعة) is already qualified by what is in the hadeeth of Aa'ishah (radiallaahu anhaa), whereas al-Nawawi and the Shafi'ite jurists have brought a classification to enable the qualification of what they see to be a word only having its broad unqualified linguistic meaning which is anything without any prior example whether praiseworthy or blameworthy" Now because this definition would include (in the modern era) your pizzas, burgers, hoodies, sneakers, brick and marble houses, the internet, mobile devices, types of technology and so on, these Shafi'ite jurists simply made classifications to allow these types of things to be excluded from what is otherwise the blameworthy bidah (innovation). Hence, they said there is an obligatory innovation (so we would say putting the Qur'an in digital format for devices and for the internet is an obligation) and a recommended innovation (setting up online schools for teaching of Qur'an and tajweed is a recommended innovation), and a permitted innovation (enjoy that pizza, wear that hoodie and don those cool sneakers). So it becomes clear after all this that in reality there is no difference between these two groups of Scholars, they all have the same understanding, but are just simply using two different languages to express it.




the above quote has translated the hadth incorrectly. The sunni principle is that everything new that conforms to the principles of the religion and does not violate them, is acceptable. A major proof for this is this hadth but accurately translated as:


"whoever innovates in this matter of ours something that does not belong in it, this is rejected"
(man ahdatha f amrin hdh m laysa fhi fahuwa radd)
[from aisha by al-bukhari, muslim, abu dawud, ibn majah, and ahmad].


meaning: Whoever innovates in this matter of ours something that *does* belong in it, it is accepted. Shaykh nur al-din `itr said this hadith was the clearest proof for the "innovation of guidance."


That is a logical error from the Shaykh because if something was actually belonging to "this affair of ours", then by definition this cannot be called "bida" in the deen. This is a perfect example where deception is practiced whereby a meaning is introduced by way of another. The shaykh here attempts to validate religious guidance not found in the revealed law of Muhammad to be the same and equal to "an innovation that belongs into this affair of ours". For the people of fiqh, they can clearly see how the former is contrary to the latter.


this is further substantiated by the following hadth.


"man `amila `amalan laysa `alayhi amrun fa huwa radd."
"if anyone innovates something which contradicts our religion, then it is rejected."
(muslim, as-sahh, kitbul-iqdiya, 3:1343, #1718 ahmad ibn hanbal, al-musnad, 6:180, #2551 drqutn, as-sunan, 4:227, #81 mundhir, at-targhb wat-tarhb, 1:44, #77)


in meaning, both of the hadths are the same, yet the second hadth has a specific terminology that is used, and an understanding pertaining to that terminology. This terminology pertains to dispraising what is innovated in the religion - specifically what contradicts the religion. So whoever innovates something which does not contradict the religion, it is accepted.


this same illogic is manifested in this quote. Whatever does NOT contradict the religion, is accepted, and thereby has nothing to do with "bida" in the shariah.


judging by how they have mistranslated the hadth, they are also most likely to have mistranslated/misquoted hfiz ibn rajab unless someone could post the arab (also accurately).


there is no mistranslation of it. The only thing here is accuracy or good, better, or poor choice of words or expression. As for the given translation, all translations are poor if you wish to get down to the nitty gritty. In my view, your translation is as faulty as the translation provided. In fact, in my honest opinion, My viewpoint is that arabic texts of Islam are "untranslatable", including hadeeth and the sayings of scholars. Rendering them into any language requires an "explanation" rather than a translation.


hfiz ibn hajar al-`asqaln states the same as mull `al al-qr in his masterpiece commentary of sahh al-bukhr:
"the root meaning of innovation (bid`a) is what is produced without precedent. It is applied in the law in opposition to the sunna and is therefore blameworthy. Strictly speaking, if it is part of what is classified as commendable (mustahsana) by the law then it is a good innovation (hasana), while if it is part of what is classified as blameworthy by the law then it is blameworthy (mustaqbaha), otherwise it falls in the category of what is permitted indifferently (mubh). It can be divided into the known five categories."
(ibn hajar `asqaln, fathul-br, 4:253)


This a generality and it pertains to bida that is linguistic, however the discussion here is about innovation in deen. Therefore you are mixing apples with oranges here. Here is a more precise application from Ibn Hajr and it refutes the idea of bida as professed by your shaykh Nur-deen al-'Itr. He says


و " المحدثات " بفتح الدال جمع محدثة والمراد بها ما أحدث ، وليس له أصل في الشرع ويسمى في عرف الشرع " بدعة " وما كان له أصل يدل عليه الشرع فليس ببدعة ، فالبدعة في عرف الشرع مذمومة بخلاف اللغة فإن كل شيء أحدث على غير مثال يسمى بدعة
i.e.
And "the newly invented matters" (المحدثات), with the fathah on the daal, is the plural of novelty (محدثة) and what is intended by it is what has been newly-introduced and does not have any basis in the legislation. It is referred to in the usage of the Shari'ah as innovation (بدعة). As for what has a basis indicated by the Shari'ah then it is not an innovation. For "innovation" in the usage of the Shari'ah is blameworthy as opposed to its usage (with its) linguistic (meaning), for everything that has been newly-invented without any prior example is named "bid'ah" irrespective of whether it is praiseworthy, or blameworthy.


So what do we have here. Ibn Hajr rahimahullah clearly explains that while indeed everything that is newly invented without any prior example or likeness is named "bida" linguistically, irrespectively if it is blameworthy or not. HOWEVER Ibn Hajr qualifies the meaning of bida in the shariah by saying that bida, employed in the shariah is always blameworthy, as a default position. This is absolute, and a bida that escapes this ruling is a "linguistic" application of the term bida, which ultimately has nothing to do with the revealed law, or "innovation of guidance" as your Shaykh Nur-deen al-Itr puts it, if indeed he has said this as quoted by yourself.


this is not correct at all. Shaykh al-islm, imm an-nawaw clearly defines bid`a in the law (shar`a):
"al-bid`a (innovation) in the law (shar`a) is the innovating of what did not exist in the time of the messenger of allh (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) and is divided into 'excellent' and 'bad' (wahya munqasimatun il hasana wa qabha). The shaykh, `izzud-dn ibn `abdus-salm stated in his book, al-qaw`id: 'innovation is divided into obligatory (wjiba), forbidden (muharrama), recommended (mandba), offensive (makrha), and indifferent (mubha).'"
(nawaw, tahdhbul-asm' wal-lught (lebanon: Beirut, drul-kutubil-`ilmiyya), 3:22)


Shaykhul-Islam an-Nawawee does indeed define bida in the law. an-Nawawee completely conceded to the view of Sultan al-Ulema al-Izz ibn 'Abdus-Salaam and cites a good portion of his speech verbatim.
Here is the English rendering of the expressions used by al-Izz as quoted by an-Nawawee, which you have not provided, which is understandable from two angles
1. because your merely making taqleed of a defunct tahqeeq provided by someone else
2. if they had done a full tahqeeq, they would have refuted their own stance


At any rate, here is what an-Nawawee actually says


For the obligatory innovations are examples, from them: [First] Being occupied with the knowledge of grammar by which the speech of Allaah and the speech of the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) is understood. This [innovation] is obligatory because the preservation of the Shariah is obligatory, and its preservation cannot be maintained except by that, and that without which an obligation cannot be fulfilled is itself obligatory. Second, preservation of the [meanings of] obscure words in the language occurring in the Book and the Sunnah. Third, laying down the foundations of the religion and of jurisprudence. Fourth, speech about al-jarh wal-ta'deel (criticism and appraisal) [of narrators], and distinguishing between the authentic from the weak. The principles of the Shariah have themselves indicated that preserving the Shariah is fard kifaayah (collective obligation) regarding that which goes beyond the capacity of an individual, and that cannot be fulfilled except by what we have mentioned.And for the unlawful innovations are examples, from them: The [belief] doctrines of al-qadar, and al-jabar, and (those of) the Murji'ah and Mujassimah. Refuting these (people) is from the obligatory innovations.
For the recommended innovations are examples, from them: Setting up hospices and schools and every benevolent endeavour not present in the first era, and (also) from (the examples) is at-Tarawih, and speech regarding the details of tasawwuf, and [also] argumentation, from which is the setting up of gatherings for deduction of evidence (in knowledge based matters) [only] if Allaah, the Exalted's face is sought by that.
And for the disliked innovations are examples, from them: Adornment of the mosques, and decoration of the mushafs [of the Qur'an].
And for the permitted innovations are examples, from them: shaking hands after the morning and late afternoon prayers, and from them is taking liberties in that which is great pleasure in terms of food, drink, clothing and residence and wearing shawls and widening of the sleeves. There could be some differing regarding some of these matters and some of the Scholars may place them amongst the disliked innovations, and others may place them amongst the sunnahs that were actually performed in the time of the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and also after his time, and this is like pronouncing the isti'aadhah and basmalah in the prayer.
[Al-Nawawi:] This is the end of his [al-Izz's] speech.



As anyone who can read can see that while some people are caught up with merely quoting the fact that some shafi'ee Imaams concluded with classifying bida into the five categories of rulings, none of such people bother to actually cite what they have expressed as examples of those rulings. The reason why is clearly noticeable, and that is because mentioning their actual speech in what they viewed to be examples of each ruling entails a direct opposition of what is being advocated under their name and conforms with our view when things are ultimately boiled down.






although the prophet (s) stated this hadth at that specific incident, the meaning is general and covers the general cases. It is not permissible to claim that this hadth applies only to charity because the prophet used a general term in this hadith. He did not specify the reward to 'he who spends in charity,' rather he said:
'he who innovates a good innovation.'
the holy prophet (s) used a general term in this hadth, even though it was revealed for a specific incident. It is the rule among the scholars that if an yah or hadth was revealed for a specific incident or a specific reason yet a general term was used, then the criterion would be in the general meaning of the term and not by the specificity of the incident.


any muslim who knows of an innovation innovated by the pious muslim scholars which complies with tbe qur'n and the hadth, let him step forward and apply it.


all such innovations which comply with the qur'n and the hadth are covered and included by the hadith of the prophet:
"he who innovates a good innovation in islam has its reward and the reward of those who practice with it until the day of judgment."


hence this hadth is a foundation to affirm and confirm the validity of the good innovation in islam. Moreover, the practices of the companions and what we have witnessed from the pious muslims stand as more proof of the validity of the good innovations.


all such innovations which comply with the Qur'an and hadeeth are not muhdathaat fi-deen-they are not invention interpolated into the religion.


asalamu alaikum warahmatullah
 

al-boriqee

Citizen
part 1

The night of the 15th of the Islamic month of Sha`bn is known as “Shabb-e-Bar’at” (Shabb = night in Persian) or “Laylatul-Bar’at” (Layl = night in Arabic) and is mentioned with the words “Laylat min Nisfush-Sha`bn” in Hadths. It is known as “bar’at [Arabic: freedom]” because by worshiping during this night one can free themselves from the torments of Hell and gain forgiveness from Allah from the burden of their sins.


Many Hadths about the virtues of this night have been related on the authority of many Sahba (companions of the Prophet), such as `Abdullh ibn `Amr ibn al-`s, Mu`dh ibn Jabal, Ab Hurayra, Ab Tha`laba, `Awf ibn Mlik, Ab Bakr as-Siddq, Ab Ms al-Ash`ar, Ummul-Mu’minn `’isha Siddqa, `Al ibn Ab Tlib and `Uthmn ibn Abil-`s (radiyallhu `anhum ajma`n).


It is known from the sayings and practices of the righteous Salaf and authorities of the past that it was from their habit to worship on this night. Some in this era are quick to label worshiping, making dhikr, listening to lectures and making gatherings on this night, to be an innovation of misguidance. However one cannot say this, as there are Hadths regarding the special merits available during the blessed night.


It is related on the authority of `Abdullh ibn `Amr (radiyallhu `anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) stated:


“Allah observes His creatures on the middle night of Sha`bn. He would forgive the sins of His servants excepts for two people, the quarrelsome and the murderer.”
(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad, 2:176)


Imam Abu Bakr Al-Tartushi al-Maaliki-may Allaah have mercy upon him-said in his book “Al-Hawadeth wal-Bida’” [Events and Heresies]: -Ibn Waddah, based on Zaid ibn Aslam, said : “We have never come up with anyone of our sheikhs or jurisprudents who made a special meritorious consideration to the mid-Sha’ban Night, or even took into account the saying of Makhoul"


as for the reports of this night


Ibn Abi Mulaikah was told that ziad Al-Numairi had said the recompense for the mid-Sha’ban Night is as much as that of the Night of Power (Qadr), but Ibn Mulaikah commented: should I have heard him and had a stick in my hand I would have beaten him. Ziad was a storyteller.


Imaam ash-Shawkaani says the following in several of his works


In “Al-Fawa’id Al-Majmou’ah” (Collected Benefits) he says
"a tradition: O Ali! Whoever performs a hundred-raka’at prayer in the mid-Sha’ban Night, and reads in each rak’ah the opening Chapter of the Quran and the Chapter of Al-Ikhlas ten times, Allaah shall provide for all his needs…etc". It is a spurious tradition, and such is its declared version with the credit its doer gets, that no sensible man can doubt its spuriousness, especially that its informants are unknown. It has been transmitted in a second and third version the purport whereof is entirely fictitious, let alone the unknown nature of its transmitters.


In “Al-Mukhtasar” (The Synopsis):
"The tradition on the mid-Sha’ban prayers is untrue. According to Ibn Hibban out of the speech of ‘Ali, “Let yourself keep vigil in the mid-Sha’ban Night, and let yourself keep fasting on its daytime”. This is a problematic (shadh) saying:


He also said in his work “Al-La’ali” (The pearls):
"A hundred rak’at in the mid-Sha’ban Night, with reading Ikhlas Chapter ten times a rak’ah, and so forth. This tradition, narrated by Al-Dailamy and others, is spurious. Furthermore, most of its transmitters in the three versions are anonymous as well as feeble. He also said: the tradition of performing twelve rak’at with reading Ikhlas Chapter thirty times a rak’ah is spurious as also the tradition of performing fourteen rak’at. Such was the so-called tradition that it beguiled a group of jurisprudence as the author of ”Al-‘Ihya’” (Revival of Religious Sciences-by al-Ghazaali) and others, as well as so many exegetists. The prayers of the Night, that is the mid-Sha’ban Night have been reported in various respects, all of which are untrue and fictitious.


Haafidh al-Iraaqi says about this topic
"the tradition on the mid-Sha’ban prayers is trumped up against the Messenger of Allah (salallahu alaihi wa sallam), quite as it is a lie fabricated against him.


Shaykhul-Islam abu Zakariyyah an-Nawawee ash-Shaafi'ee destroys the heresies of this idea in his fatwa.
here are two fatwas
he was asked


Question: What is said by the leading scholars, the imaams of the religion (radiallaahu anhum) regarding Salat al-Ragha'ib and the Salat Nisf al-Sha'ban which are commonly practised by the people now. Did the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) pray them or anyone from the Companions (radiallaahu anhum ajma'een), or did any of the well-known for Imaams pray them, I mean, the Imaam Abu Hanifah, Imaam al-Shafi'i, and Malik and Ahmad bin Hanbal, or did they make any indication towards praying either of these (prayers). And is anything related about them from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)? And are they in agreement with the intent (muraad) of the Shariah or not? And is it better to perform them or abandon them. And is kindling fire on these two nights above and beyond what is customary unlawful or disliked or permitted? Please answer us, rewarded in your endeavour.


Answer:
All praise is due to Allaah. These two prayers were not prayed by the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and nor anyone from the Companions (radiallaahu anhum), and nor any of the aforementioned four Imaams (rahimahullaah), and nor did any of them hint at it, and no one who is worthy of being followed has practiced it, and nothing is authentically related from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) at all, and nor from anyone who is worthy of being followed. Rather, it was introduced in the later times, and praying them both is from the rejection innovations, and the futile newly-invented matters. And it is authentically related from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) that he said: "Beware of the newly-invented matters, for every innovation is misguidance", and in the two Sahihs from Aa'isah (radiallaahu anhaa) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Whoever introduced into this affair of ours that which is not from it will have it rejected", and in Sahih Muslim that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Whoever does an action which is not upon our affair will have it rejected."
And it is desirable for everyone to prohibit this prayer, warn from and and make [the people] flee from it, to render its performance as repugnant, reprehensible, and to spread its prohibition everywhere (amongst the people). For it is authentically related from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) that he said, "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand, and if he is not able, then with his tongue, and if he is not able then with his heart."


And it is upon the Scholars to warn from it, and to turn away from it more so than it is upon others because they are taken as a model to be followed. And no one should be deceived by the fact that it is common, being practised by the common-folk, and nor by their doubts, for indeed, following (in guidance) is only done through the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), not through what he himself has prohibited and warned against.


As for lighting fire and burning a lot of oil over it in the way that is done, then it is from the evils and repugnant prohibitions. And it is authentically related that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) prohibited from wastage of wealth, and its meaning is to spend it upon other than the angle from which it is permitted to spend, and this action is from that, [Allaah said], "Let those beware who oppose his (the Messenger's) command that a tribulation should afflict them or a painful torment should afflict them" (24:63). May Allaah protect us from the innovated matters and protect us from falling into the oppositions, and Allaah knows best."


Allahu Akbar


Again, another fatwa


The Shaykh of Islam al-Nawawi was asked about the well-known Salat al-Ragha'ib performed on the first Friday night of Rajab, whether it is bid'ah or sunnah?
The Answer:
It is a repugnant, rejected innovation, with the most severe rejection, it comprises many evils, hence it is specifically designated to abandon it and turn away from it and to show rejection againt the one who does it. And it is upon the ruler (one in authority) - may Allaah grant him success - to prevent the people from doing it, for indeed he is a shepherd and every shepherd is responsible for his flock. The scholars have written books in rejection and rebuke of it and declaring those who perform it as fools. One should be not deceived by the abundance of those who perform it in many of the cities, and nor that it is mentioned in [the books] Qut al-Qulub, or Ihya Ulum al-Din and their likes, for it is a futile innovation. And it is authentically related from the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) that he said, "Whoever introduced into this affair of ours that which is not from it will have it rejected." And in the Sahih (of Muslim) that he (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Whoever introduced into this affair of ours that which is not from it will have it rejected," and in Sahih Muslim and others that he (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Every innovation is misguidance." And Allaah the Exalted has ordered us to return to His Book whenever there is a dispute, so He, the Exalted said, "And if you dispute regarding any matter then return it back to Allaah and His Messenger" (4:59), and He did not ordder the following of the ignoramuses, and nor being decieved by the errors of those who have erred, and Allaah knows best."


Allahu-Akbar


an-Nawawee clearly delineated that these were reprehensible innovations and he also attributes the invention of these innovations to Imaam al-Ghazaali himself or other authorities who have erred in their judgment in importing these heretical innovations as "sunnah".


The same and the likes of these stances are as well the views of Shaykhul-Islam ibnul-Qudamah, Shaykhul-Islam ibnul-Taymiyyah, Haafidh al-Khataabi, Haafidh Abu Bakr al-Khateeb, etc.




There are so many mistakes in this, I don't know where to start.


I could say the same for you brother.


To start with, you have contradicted yourself by saying that Milad is not allowed because the Holy Prophet (s) did not do it. You forget that he (s) did not:


- perform Tarawih prayers more than 3 days in a row which is why `Umar called it "ni`mal-bid`a - very good bid`a". Now do you understand the meaning of the word bid`a better than `Umar?


No, rather we understand the meaning of bida in the view of Umar as Umar viewed it. For Umar was speaking about Bid'a that has no relation to the shar. That is WHY Umar said it is a good bida, because it has nothing to do with the shar.


You need to learn the difference between Bid'a Haqiqiyyah and Bida Idaafiyyah.


- The Qur'an was NEVER compiled into a 1 volume book by the Prophet (s) but it was a bid`a that was accepted.


bida idaafiyyah and has nothing to do with the shar


- The Prophet (s) NEVER put vowels (dots) on any Qur'anic letter. It was done later and hence was a bid`a hasana.


bida idaafiyyah and has nothing to do with the shar of some newly conjured guidance for mankind.


Our Prophet (s) taught us that good bida` are accepted and bad ones rejected and this is the understanding of Islam given by all of the classical scholars of Islam before the Saudi American ones.


al-muhdathaat fi deen are innovated matters and every innovation in deen is misguidance, and this was the understanding of the Imaams of Sunnah from time immemorial. All the ulema ruled bida to be haraam by default and it shifts from being haraam based on its linguistic import based on four masaail
1. is itself meritous
2. falls within masaalih al-mursalah
3. sought as a means to an end and not the end in and of itself.
4. has PRECEDENT in the shariah.


when a bida entails one or more of the above four ends, it does not entail a muhdath in the religion.


Wrong again! Tarwh existed but Tarwh in congregation for more than 3 days did NOT exist and this is why `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) called it a bid`a! Now is our understanding of bid`a better than `Umars? Are you daring to accuse `Umar of lying?! This is the entire Hadth:


your failing to comprehend the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allah.


al-Bukharee records
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led his companions in prayer (Taraweeh) for several nights, then on the third or fourth night he did not come out to them. When morning came he said: “Nothing prevented me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.
[Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1129]


Muslim has the wording
"But I feared that night prayers would be made obligatory for you and you would not be able to do them.” [#761]


So what does these statements mean. It means that establishing the taraweh prayers for THE ENTIRE MONTH OF RAMADHAAN was established as the intent of the Prophet BUT he was cut off from his intent by the fact that he feared that by his presence and performing them, Allah would make it obligatory on the people. Thus the Prophet was only detereded from implementing what he already intended to do (of performing taraweh for the rest of the month) on the basis of his reasoning that he gave above.


Thus while performing taraweh prayers was not performed through execution until Umar executed it, Umar also knew that it was already the prerogative of the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa sallam to execute it.


This is fundamentally why it is baseless to validate religious muhdathaat fi deen using this riwaayah to validate heresies in the religion.


- This is the narration in question and displays that it is the teaching of the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) and the methodology employed by his blessed companions to accept “good innovations” and reject “bad” ones.
ﻥﺒ ﺮﻣﻋ ﻊﻤ ﺕﺠﺭﺨ :ﻞﺎﻘ ﻪﻧﺃ ﻱﺭﺎﻗﻠﺍﺪﺒﻋ ﻥﺒ ﻥﻣﺤﺮﻠﺍﺪﺒﻋ ﻦﻋ
ﺍﺬﺈﻔ ،ﺪﺠﺴﻤﻟﺍ ﻰﻟﺇ ﻥﺎﻀﻤﺭ ﻲﻓ ﺔﻠﻴﻠ ﻪﻨﻋ ﷲ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺐﺎﻂﺧﻠﺍ
ﻞﺠﺭﻠﺍ ﻲﻠﺻﻳ ﻭ ،ﻪﺳﻓﻧﻠ ﻝﺠﺭﻟﺍ ﻲﻠﺼﻴ ﻥﻭﻗﺮﻔﺘﻣ ﻉﺍﺯﻭﺃ ﺲﺎﻧﻟﺍ
ﻯﺮﺃ ﻲﻧﺇ :ﻪﻨﻋ ﷲ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺭﻤﻋ ﻝﺎﻗﻔ ،ﻃﻫﺭﻟﺍ ﻪﺘ ﻼﺻﺒ ﻲﻠﺼﻴﻔ
ﻡﺯﻋ ﻢﺛ ،ﻝﺜﻤﺃ ﻥﺎﻛﻠ ﺪﺣﺍﻭ ﺀﻯﺮﺎﻘ ﻰﻟﻋ ﺀﻻﺆﻫ ﺕﻌﻣﺟﻭﻟ
ﻮ ﻯﺮﺨﺃ ﺔﻠﻴﻠ ﻪﻌﻣ ﺕﺠﺭﺨ ﻡﺜ ،ﺐﻌﻜ ﻦﺒ ﻲﺒﺃ ﻰﻠﻋ ﻡﻬﻌﻤﺠﻔ
ﻢﻌﻧ :ﻪﻨﻋ ﷲ ﻲﺿﺭ ﺭﻤﻋ ﻞﺎﻗ ،ﻡﻬﺋﺮﺎﻗ ﺓﻼﺼﺒ ﻥﻭﻠﺻﻳ ﺲﺎﻧﻠﺍ
ﺪﻴﺭﻳ ،ﻦﻭﻤﻭﻘﻴ ﻲﺗﻟﺍ ﻥﻣ ﻞﺿﻔﺃ ﺎﻬﻧﻋ ﻦﻮﻣﺎﻨﻴ ﻲﺘﻟﺍﻮ ،ﻩﺫﻫ ﺔﻋﺪﺑﻠﺍ
.ﻪﻠﻭﺃ ﻥﻭﻣﻮﻗﻴ ﺲﺎﻨﻠﺍ ﻥﺎﻛ ﻮ ،ﻞﻳﻟﻠﺍ ﺭﺧﺁ
“`Abdur-Rahmn ibn `Abdul-Qr narrates that he went into the mosque with `Umar ibn al-Khattb in the month of Ramadn. There he saw the people praying individually by themselves or in small groups. `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) said: 'By Allah! It would be better for you to gather behind a single reciter (qr, meaning imm).' He then gathered them behind Ubayy ibn Ka`b. Then on another night, `Umar (radiyallhu `anhu) saw that the people had gathered themselves behind one imm. `Umar said: 'What a good innovation this is (ni` matil-bid`atu hdhih [and a slightly different wording but with the same meaning from al-Bukhr's Sahh: ni`mal-bid`atu hdhih]). And the time people go to sleep in, i.e. tahajjud time, is better than the one being performed (i.e. the tarwh)' and the people read (the tarwh) at the early part (of the night).”
(Bukhr, as-Sahh, Kitb Saltut-Tarwh, #1906 Mlik, Muwatta, 1:114, #250 Bayhaq, as-Sunanul-Kubr, 2:394, #4379 Bayhaq, Shu`abul-mn, 3:177, #3269 Zayla`, Nasbur-Rya, 2:152, #118 Ibn Qudma, al-Mughn, 1:455)


This is essentially absurd because the this is virtually the same hadeeth that gives reference to the context of what happened. taraweh had already been established in congregation by the Prophet sallalahu alaihi wa sallam and MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Prophet as well intended to complete the entire month in congregational taraweh had it not been for his fear. Thus Umar commanding the people to do what the prophet already established for the people and INTENDED to establish for the people has nothing to do with the baseless theory you are tying to advocate with regards to newly invented concepts and practices in the fulfillment of religious worship.


There is ijm` on the acceptance of Mawlid for 1000 years.


Imaam Ahmad said the one who claims ijmaa is enough for us to know he is a liar.
It is best that you remain quite and speak a word that is undoubtedly true.


Ab Shmah said: the first person to do that in Mosul was Shaykh 'Umar ibn Muhammad al-Mal, one of the well-known righteous people. Then the ruler of Irbil and others followed his example.


Hfidh Ibn Kathr said in al-Bidyah wa'l-Nihyah (13/137), in his biography of Ab Sa'd Kawkabri: "He used to observe the Mawlid in Rab' al-Awwal and hold a huge celebration on that occasion … some of those who were present at the feast of al-Muzaffar on some occasions of the Mawlid said that he used to offer in the feast five thousand grilled heads of sheep, ten thousand chickens and one hundred thousand large dishes, and thirty trays of sweets … he would let the Sfs sing from Dhuhr until Fajr, and he himself would dance with them."


Ibn Khalikn said in Wafiyt al-A'yn (3/274): "When it is the first of Safar they decorate those domes with various kinds of fancy adornments, and in every dome there sits a group of singers and a group of puppeteers and players of musical instruments, and they do not leave any one of those domes without setting up a group (of performers) there.
The people give up work during this period, and they do no work except going around and watching the entertainment. When there are two days to go until the Mawlid, they bring out a large number of camels, cows and sheep, more than can be described, and they accompany them with all the drums, songs and musical instruments that they have, until they bring them to the square… On the night of the Mawlid there are performances of nashds after Maghrib in the citadel."
This is the origin of this celebration on the occasion of the Prophet's birthday. More recently idle entertainment, extravagance, and wasting of money and time have become associated with an innovation for which Allh has not sent down any authority.
What Muslims should do is to revive the Sunnah and put an end to bid'ah (innovation); they should not do any action until they know the ruling of Allh concerning it.


The Classical Imaams who warned against Eid Milaadu-Nabi


Imaam al-Faakihaanee or al-'Allaamah Taajud-Deen al-Maaliki [ Umar bin Ali bin Saalim bin Sadaqah al-Lakhmee (654-734AH, famously known as al-Iskandaree (d.734H) - rahimahullaah -said in Al-Mawrid fi 'Amalil-Mawlid: "Celebrating his birthday has no basis in the Book nor the Sunnah, nor is this action recorded from any one of the Scholars of this Ummah; those who are taken as examples to be followed and who cling to the narrations. Rather it is a bid'ah (innovotion), which was introduced by the (deviated) Battaaloon sect (pp.21-22)(The Battaaloon: they are one of the deviated Baatiniyyah sects from the Faatimids - as al-Maqreezee says in al-Khatat (1/490))


Ibn Al-Haaj Al-Maaliki states in his "Al-Madkhal" regarding the Mawlid, specifically in regards to when it is devoid of any evil actions which contradict the Shari'ah (for those who claim it is permissible if nothing haram or evil is carried out as part of the celebrations), "Even if none of the aforementioned evil or haram actions take place, it is still in and of itself a bid'ah (innovation) because of the same intention only. This is because that is making an increase in the religion and also it is was not from the conduct of the pious predecessors (As-Salaf). It has not reached us that a single one of them ever celebrated it nor intended to do so. Thus following in the footsteps of the Salaf is paramount, rather it is obligatory."[Al-Madkhal 2/312]


Haafidh As-Sakhaawi Ash-Shaafi'i states, "The celebration of the Mawlid has not reached us from any of the pious predecessors of the three blessed generations rather only being introduced a long time after."[Quoted by Sheikh Muhammad bin Yusuf As-Saalihi Ash-Shaami in his book "Subul Al-Hudaa War-Rashaad fi Seerati Khayril 'Ibaad" 1/439]


Naseer Ad-Deen Al-Mubarak better known as Ibn At-Tabbaakh states, "This (the Mawlid) is not from the Sunnah."[Quoted by Sheikh Muhammad bin Yusuf As-Saalihi Ash-Shaami in his book "Subul Al-Hudaa War-Rashaad fi Seerati Khayril 'Ibaad" 1/441]


Qaadhi Shihabu-Deen Dolat Abadi al-Hanafee (d 849 h) said:
وما يفعله الجهال على رأس كل حول وشهر ربيع الأول ليس بشىء ويقومون عند ذكر مولده صلى الله عليه وسلم ويزعمون ان روحه يجيء و حاضر فزعمهم باطل وهذا الاعتقاد شرك
On the start of year and in the month of Rabi ul Awwal in the name of Mawlid (salallahu alaihi wa sallam), ignorants (juhaal) do something which is nothing (i.e these things have nothing to do with Islam). They claim that his (salallahu alaihi wa sallam) soul comes and that he (sallalaahu alaihi wa sallam) is present. This is False and this creed is shirk. [Majmoo Fatawa Qazi Shahab ud din 1/27]
Note: He was on of the great muftis of ahnaf, and he was Judge as it can be seen in the books سبحة المرجان فى آثار هندوستان page no: 39 and نزهة الخواطر


Imaam Abu Ishaq ash-Shaatibi al-Maaliki (720 h) said

" فالبدعة إذن عبارة عن طريقة في الدين مخترعة ، تضاهي الشرعية ، يقصد بالسلوك عليها المبالغة في التعبد لله سبحانه ... ومنها التزام الكيفيات والهيآت المعينة ، كالذكر بهيئة الاجتماع على صوت واحد ، واتخاذ يوم ولادة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عيدا ، وما أشبه ذلك .
ومنها التزام العبادات المعينة ، في أوقات معينة ، لم يوجد لها ذلك التعيين في الشريعة ، كالتزام صيام يوم النصف من شعبان ، وقيام ليلته "

Bid'ah (innovation) refers to something that is newly invented in matters of religion that appears similar to that which is prescribed, by which people intend to go to extremes in worshipping Allaah, may He be glorified. That includes adhering to certain forms of worship, such as reciting dhikr in a group, in unison, or taking the day of the Prophet's birth as Eid, and so on.


That also includes adhering to certain acts of worship at certain times, for which there is no evidence in sharee'ah, such as always fasting on the fifteenth of Sha'baan (al-nusf min Sha'baan) and spending that night in prayer. [al-I'tisaam (1/37-39).]


I wonder if Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab travelled back into time and infected all of these Imaams, and millions of others like them among ahlul-hadeeth wal-athar, with his poisonous ideological deviations.
Man, those wahhabis are so dangerous, they even poluted Islamic thought centuries before Ibn Abdul-Wahhab


Oh yeah, the cream of the crop on this topic comes from Imaam Maalik who ultimately told us that "whatever was not part of the religion in their time (the time of the sahabah) cannot be considered part of the religion at any time"


The Sahba and Tbi`n not arranging such gatherings in the form that we do does not mean that it is prohibited.


According to the orthodox sunni Imaams, this is exactly what it means.
Someone who knows the language of the fuqaha will automatically understand that when a faqeeh says
"the sahaaba nor the tabi'een have done this" or "this was unknown in their time", then in the language of legal theory, it means that the action itself has no basis in the shariah and thus entails prohibition. Only someone who is bereft of any fiqh would be unable to conclude this fact.


Their methodology was to accept good innovations and reject bad ones and this is the guideline that has been adopted by later generations of Muslim scholarship.


Their methodology was that as a general default rule, bida was a reprehensible innovation and as an exception, it escapes this ruling when it is merely a linguistic, idaari bida that has nothing to do with religious guidance.


There are literally hundreds of types of gatherings held in our time, which were never done during the eras of the early generation of Muslims. Examples of these are, Shaykh Muhammad bin `Abdul-Wahhb Week (organised in Saudi Arabia), Khilafa Conference, Anti-war rallies, Anti-Voting ralies [?!], Centenary (100 year) Anniversary of the opening of Darul-`Ulum Deoband (arranged in India, in which flowers were thrown, slogans were made, decorations were put up and Indira Gandhi was the main guest), Celebrating the creation of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India which take place every year on exactly the same day etc and the hundreds of talks, exhibitions, concerts, conferences for the hundreds of Islamic issues that effect Muslims which take place in mosques, centres, colleges, universities etc.


people can observe injustice when people intermingle different topics under the same lime light. You are comparing apples and oranges in this single quote.
1. a seminar or a conference is one thing and has nothing to do with religious innovation.
2. Rallies on the other hand are political maneuvers which affect the fiqh of a slave between himself and the state, which has a different ruling altogether and has nothing to do with bid'a.
3. as for celebrating anniversaries, then this is likewise a heresy. if it is a heresy, as established by the orthodox Imaams above, that celebrating the most noble of creation in his birthday is heresy, then anything less worthy of celebration is likewise a heresy.


4. as for celebrating a "national holiday" of a creation of a country, then the topic likewise changes because now the topic is not just centralized to it being a heresy of celebrating an eid other than the two established eids that ijmaa is settled upon. Rather now the topic enters eman and kufr because what is incorporated into the discussion is allegiance to a nation-state, or to a state that implements the shariah of Allah. Thus people involved in this polemic are not busy with themselves about merely "celebrating the holiday" of a nation-state, but are now discussing the aspects of whether it is from kufr of apostasy or not to do so.


5. As for the Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab week. You must be ignorant of this. This was held once, and was an acdemic seminar, not a religious celebration to worship Allah.


Shaikh Abdel Aziz Aal Abdel Latif:
Question: Why does Saudi Arabia permit celebrating the commemoration of Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab in a conference, paying hundreds
of thousands for it, and it is not allowed for us to celebrate the commemoration of the mawlid of the Messenger of Allah -Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam-?
Who is more deserving of that: the Messenger of Allah -Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam- or Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab?
This is a question that some of the people of knowledge of Damascus ask, please give us an answer.


The Answer:
All praise be to Allah alone, and Salat and Salam be upon the Messenger of Allah
The week of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab was only an academic conference held in 1400 Hijri, under the supervision of the Islamic
University of Imam Muhammad bin Sa'ud in Riyadh, it consisted for a number of researches regarding the dawah of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel
Wahhab in terms of its emergence and its affects, and the doubts created surrounding it with its refutation. In addition to that, the works of
shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab were printed after compiling and organizing it.


The difference between that conference and the celebration of the Prophetic Mawlid is obvious, as the week of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel
Wahhab was not an act of worship itself, what was meant by it is to inform about this dawah and to do justice to its reviver; also, the week of the
shaikh does not reoccur or return as is the case with the ones who celebrate the Prophetic Mawlid, tending it every year; while this week was
held about a quarter century ago, and has ended.


Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen -rahimahullah-:
The shaikh was asked: What is the difference between what is called "The week of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab" -Rahimahullah, and
the celebration of the Prophetic Mawlid, as the second is condemned, while the first isn't?


So he answered:
"The difference between them -according to our knowledge- is from two sides:
The first is: the week of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab -Rahimahullah Ta'ala- was not done as a means to get closer to Allah -Azza wa Jal-, it is only meant for removing doubts that are in the hearts of some people towards this man, and to show what Allah has blessed the
Muslims through this man.
the second is: the week of shaikh Muhammad bin Abdel Wahhab -Rahimahullah- does not reoccur and return (every year) as is the case with
'Eids; it is something that has been clarified to the people, things were written in it, and the truth regarding this man, that was not known before,
was shown to many people, then it ended."


Source: Majmu' Fatawa wa Rasael Shaikh Muhammad Saleh al-Uthaimeen, volume 16 - Prayer of the two Eids.


one must have 'itidaal in discussing issues and it destroys the ways to correctness and amplifies the modes of deception when people confuse various matters into a single platform.


The list is huge but strangely objection seems only to be made against gatherings in remembrance of the birth of the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) which has been organised for over 1,000 years unbroken.
yeah, it has been organized heretics of the baatinis and then adopted by gullible sunnis. The first Imaam of the sunnah to have used a deplorable ijtihaad to validate the milaad of nabi was as-Suyootee, and the basis for his ijtihaad was on a narration by which every haafidh in Islam has utterly rfuted the despicable nature of such a spurious report. Im not going to go into depth with what has been said, but it suffices that this practice found its way into popularity much much later.


To make any gathering about the Holy Prophet (saw) which consists of only halal activities, whether it is the birth of the Prophet, his migration, his talking, his walking, his greeting people, his meeting people, his miracles, his battles, his ascension (mi`raj), the revelation to him etc all of these are permitted.


Imaam Ibnul-Hajj disagrees with you. he says in his "Al-Madkhal" regarding the Mawlid, specifically in regards to when it is devoid of any evil actions which contradict the Shari'ah (for those who claim it is permissible if nothing haram or evil is carried out as part of the celebrations), "Even if none of the aforementioned evil or haram actions take place, it is still in and of itself a bid'ah (innovation) because of the same intention only. This is because that is making an increase in the religion and also it is was not from the conduct of the pious predecessors (As-Salaf). It has not reached us that a single one of them ever celebrated it nor intended to do so. Thus following in the footsteps of the Salaf is paramount, rather it is obligatory."[Al-Madkhal 2/312]


Not all considered commemorating the Mawlid to be a bid`a. They used the following as one of many sources in Hadth literature for commemorating the Mawlid.


So first you went from "ijmaa on celebrating the birthday of the prophet", which by default means that NO one has said otherwise. Now you say "not all considered it a bida", which essentially implies that "some actually did". ajeeb


It is related in a Hadth of Sahh al-Bukhr:
فَلَمَّا مَاتَ أَبُو لَهَبٍ أُرِيَهُ بَعْضُ أَهْلِهِ بِشَرِّ حِيبَةٍ قَالَ لَهُ مَاذَا لَقِيتَ قَالَ أَبُو لَهَبٍ لَمْ أَلْقَ بَعْدَكُمْ غَيْرَ أَنِّي سُقِيتُ فِي هَذِهِ بِعَتَاقَتِي ثُوَيْبَةَ
“After Ab Lahb died, someone from his household saw him in a dream in a bad condition. They asked him, ‘What condition are you in?’ Ab Lahb replied, `I am in severe punishment which I can never escape from. I get a lessening [in the punishment] for freeing my slave girl Thuwayba.”
(Bukhr, as-Sahh, 5:1961, Kitbun-nikh, #4813 `Abdur-Razzq, al-Musannaf, 7:478, #13955 Bayhaq, as-Sunanul-Kubra, 7:162; Bayhaq, Shu`abul-mn, 1:261; Bayhaq, Dal'ilun-Nubuwwa, 1:150; Suhayl, ar-Rawdul-unf, 5:192; Ibn Kathr, as-Sratun-Nabawiyya, 1:224; Ibn Dayba` Shaybn, Had'iqul-Anwr, 1:134; Baghaw, Sharhus-Sunna, 9:76, #2282 Zayla`, Nasbur-rya, 3:168; `Asqaln, Fathul-br, 9:945; `Ayn, `Umdatul-qr, 20:95; `mir, Bahjatul-mahfil, 1:41; Muhaddith Dehelw, Madrijun-Nubuwwa, 2:19)


The great Hadth scholar, Hfiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqaln (rahmatullhi `alay) states with reference to Imm Suhayl (rahmatullhi `alay):
أن العباس قال لما مات أبو لهب رأيته في منامي بعد حول في شر حال فقال ما لقيت بعدكم راحة الا أن العذاب يخفف عني كل يوم اثنين قال وذلك أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ولد يوم الإثنين وكانت ثويبة بشرت أبا لهب بمولده فاعتقها
“`Abbs said:
‘When Ab Lahb died, I saw him one year later in a dream in a very bad state. I heard him say, ‘After separating from you, I have had no rest what so ever and am gripped in a severe punishment. But the punishment is lessened every Monday.’.’
[The reason for this is that] the Holy Prophet (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) was born on a Monday. His punishment is lessened because of [Ab Lahb's slave girl] Thuwayba giving him [Ab Lahb] the glad tidings and him setting her free out of happiness for his birth (mawlid).”
(`Asqaln, Fathul-br, 9:145)


Such a deplorable methodology to adopt
1. Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaani is merely quoting what was stated Suhayli and is thus not his statement
2. The narration of Suhayli does not constitute a legal judgment.
why?, because the commentary is based on a report from al-Abbass regarding a dream that al-Abbass had. In usoolul-Fiqh, the mujtahid Imaams have clearly laid out as a matter of usool that dreams are not a source to derive rulings, which is exactly what your are trying to do here.
3. what really puts the cherry on top is the fact that this commentary has nothing to do with EID milaadu-Nabi. Allah it explains is that Abu Lahab has been given a fadl, and that fadl is that his punishment is lessened EVERY monday (that means every monday till the day of judgment, and not every YEAR to the day in which the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa sallam was born)
In other words the narration is about the fadl and mercy of the prophets birth on that day, just as there is mercy and fadl on every jumu'ah.
4. Furthermore, Imaam suhayli is merely giving a commentary. He could be right or he could be wrong. Thwere is no indication in the shariah as to why Abu Lahabs punishment is lessened on Mondays. Thu as-Suhayli is merely offerin an opinion. And it is an opinion that I could agree with, but even at that juncture, it has nothing to do with legalizing the celebration of the prophet's birthday
5. another reason why this cannot be used as a proof to validate a third eid in Islam on miladu-nabi is because it is a mursal narration. Of course there is ikhtilaaf as to what irsaal hadeeth can be used or not.


Thus your attempt to use this as a valid legal extraction for a judgment in the shariah regarding the validity of celebrating a third eid in Islam is simply religious malpractice on your part may Allah guide you and me towards His Pleasure.


An interesting quote is the following statement of Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd, who wrote:


“Ab Lahb was seen in a dream after his death and he was asked, `What condition are you in?' He replied, `I am in fire except on every Monday when there is a lessening of the punishment.' He then began gesturing with his fingers and said, `Water comes from between these two fingers of mine which I drink and as a result of this, there is a lessening in the punishment [I receive]. I freed Thuwayba when she gave me the good news of the birth of the Holy Prophet (saw).”
(Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb an-Najd, Mukhtasar Sratur-Rasl (Lahore: Matb'a Maktaba `Ilmiyya, 1979/Lahore: al-Maktabatus-Salafiyya, 1979), 13)


Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd then quotes Imm Ibn Jawz (rahmatullhi `alay) stating:


“If this is the state of such an unbeliever as Ab Lahb whose accursed nature has been revealed in the Holy Qur'an. That he receives a reward (of a lessening in the punishment). Then what would be the state of a Muslim from his Umma who believes in the Oneness of Allah and who shows happiness at his Mawlid?”
(Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb an-Najd, Mukhtasar Sratur-Rasl (Lahore: Matb'a Maktaba `Ilmiyya, 1979/Lahore: al-Maktabatus-Salafiyya, 1979), 13)


So would Imm Ibn Jawz (rahmatullhi `alay) be approving of something reprehensible or against Islam? Would Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhb Najd quote something that was against Islam?


everyone quotes something against Islam. It is called "quoting". Quoting means exactly that, quoting. Quoting does not mean "I validate and endorse what I am quoting".


1. This is not what Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab did. If one knows history, it was the son of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab who quotes Ibnul-Jawzi and not Ibn Adbul-Wahhab himself.


2. Imaam Isma’il bin Muhammad Ansari notes the objections that I have provided in my previous quote prior to this statement of your by saying :
The narration of Urwa regarding Abu Lahab and his slave girl cannot be used to prove the gatherings of Mawlid because, firstly, it is Mursal. Secondly, even if it is Muttasil, it cannot be used as proof because it is an occurrence of a dream. Thirdly, it mentions that Abu Lahab released Thuwayba before she suckled the Prophet sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam. This is against what the biographers write, that is, Abu Lahab released her a long time after she suckled. Fourthly, the Mursal of Urwa, which Nasir al-Din Dimashqi and ibn al-Jazari have used to prove the gatherings of Mawlid; it is against what is apparent from the Qur’an.
[al-Qawlul-Fasl p. 84-87]




Shaykhul-Islam Imm Jalluddn Suyt (rahmatullhi `alay) mentions a similar statement but from Hfiz Shamsud-dn al-Jazr.


Regarding the evidences for the spiritual dance, there are many Hadths from which 2 will be quoted from Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad:


Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallhu `anhu) narrates the following two narrations:


حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ عَنْ ثَابِتٍ عَنْ أَنَسٍ قَالَ كَانَتْ الْحَبَشَةُ يَزْفِنُونَ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَيَرْقُصُونَ وَيَقُولُونَ مُحَمَّدٌ عَبْدٌ صَالِحٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَا يَقُولُونَ قَالُوا يَقُولُونَ مُحَمَّدٌ عَبْدٌ صَالِحٌ.


Anas ibn Mlik (radiyallhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allh (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSn/raqS) while saying “Muhammad is a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Slih)” (in their dialect/language). Allh’s Messenger (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Slih!”.
(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Cairo: Mu’assasat Qurtuba), 3:152, #12562)


This has been narrataed with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim.


Related to this, Imm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad:


قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ دَاوُدَ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ يَعْنِي ابْنَ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ قَالَتْ وَضَعَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ذَقْنِي عَلَى مَنْكِبَيْهِ لِأَنْظُرَ إِلَى زَفْنِ الْحَبَشَةِ حَتَّى كُنْتُ الَّتِي مَلِلْتُ فَانْصَرَفْتُ عَنْهُمْ


“`’isha stated that Allh’s Messenger (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashs) dance.”
(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Cairo: Mu’assasat Qurtuba), 6:116, #24898)


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahmahullh) himself said about the Sfs: "I don't know people better than them." Someone said to him: "They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy." He said: "Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allh?" (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarn al-Hanbal (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha' al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906)


This is our Islamic tradition, not Pakistani tradition!


I guess the issue has now shifted to dancing.


Imaamul-Haramayn Ibnul-Juwaynee says


والرَّقْص ليس محرَم العين، وإنما هو حركات على استقامة أو اعوجاج، ولكن كثيره يَخْرِم المروءة،

i.e.
dancing is not prohibited by itself as it is movements; staright and twisted ones. However, the much of it is a defect in the chracter of one's manhood" [Source: Nihayet al-Matlab: 12138].


Sultan al-Ulema al-Izz Ibn Abdu-Sallaam says


الرَّقْصُ لَا يَتَعَاطَاهُ إلَّا نَاقِصُ الْعَقْلِ، وَلَا يَصْلُحُ إلَّا لِلنِّسَاءِ.

i.e.
"Only those with defects in their minds who dance, and it is only suitable for women"


ash-Sharbini said: "most of those who dance do not dance due to an overwhelming state of heart due to dhikr. That is why Ibn Abdul salam said.... (the part above)." [Mughni al-Muhtaaj: 6/350].


Moreover The classical Sunni Scholars have explained these riwayaat differently than what the heretics have tried to deduce for them or those who have erred in their judgments .


Haafidh Ibnul-Jawzi said regarding the meaning of Hajal in Talbees Iblees 1/230
زفن الحبشة نوع من المشى يفعل عند اللقاء للحرب

Regarding Raqs of habashis, it refers to one step which is performed at times of war when meeting the enemy


Hafidh Ibn Hajar al Asqalani rahimahu Allah said:
وَاسْتَدَلَّ قَوْم مِنْ الصُّوفِيَّة بِحَدِيثِ الْبَاب عَلَى جَوَاز الرَّقْص وَسَمَاع آلَات الْمَلَاهِي ، وَطَعَنَ فِيهِ الْجُمْهُور بِاخْتِلَافِ الْمَقْصِدَيْنِ ، فَإِنَّ لَعِب الْحَبَشَة بِحِرَابِهِمْ كَانَ لِلتَّمْرِينِ عَلَى الْحَرْب فَلَا يُحْتَجّ بِهِ لِلرَّقْصِ فِي اللَّهْو ، وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ .

And some Sufis used the hadeeth of this chapter as proof for the permissibility of dancing and listening to musical instruments. However, the majority of scholars criticized this (deduction), because the two matters have different purposes. For, the playing of the Ethiopians was for the purpose of practicing for war. So, one cannot use this hadeeth as proof for the permissibility of dancing for entertainment purposes. And Allah knows best.
[Fath al Bari, Kitab al Manaqib (Virtues), Chapter Qisat al Habash (the story of the Ethiopians)]


Shaykhul-Islam Imam Nawawi said in commentary of hadith of Aisha ra in sahih Muslim that is
(. - قولها : ( جاء حبش يزفنون في يوم عيد في المسجد )
ومعناه يرقصون ، وحمله العلماء على التوثب بسلاحهم ولعبهم بحرابهم على قريب من هيئة الراقص لأن معظم الروايات إنما فيها لعبهم بحرابهم ، فيتأول هذه اللفظة على موافقة سائر الروايات

The meaning is RAQS by the Scholars is that it means Jumping with weapons and Playing with Spears that is near the Kafiyah of RAQS, So in many narrations there Playing of spears is mentioned so commentary of this word should be done with other narrations.


Imaam al-Qurtubee refers to a judgment made by Imaam Abu bakr at-Tartushi in his tafseer. The statement from Imam Tartushi came when he was asked:


The Question: What does our knowledgeable master say about the madhab of the Sufis?


And know – May Allah preserve your time – that a group of men gather, and then increase in the mentioning of Allah the Exalted, and the mentioning of Muhammad peace be upon him, after which they hit with a rod on an Adeem, and some of them stand up and dance andYatawajad, until he falls unconscious, and then they get something to eat.


Is attending with them permissible or not?


Answer us, May Allah have mercy on you.


The Answer:
May Allah have mercy on you, the madhab of the Sufis is that of Batalah (wastefulness), Jahalah (ignorance), and Dalalah (misguidance). Islam is but the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His messenger.


As for the dancing and the Tawajud, the first to perform this are the companions of Al-Samiri, when he founded for them an image of a calf that had a sound, so they started dancing around it and Yatawajadoon, thus [this action] is the religion of the Kuffar (unbelievers), and the worshippers of the calf.


As for the [hitting with the] rod, the first to adopt this action are the Zanadiqah (disbelieving heretics), to distract Muslims from the Book of Allah the Exalted.


Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him used to sit with his companions, as if birds were standing on their heads from their dignity [tranquility and stillness]. That is why the Sultan and his assistants are required to stop [these people] from gathering in Masjids and in any other place.


It is not permissible for anyone that believes in Allah and the Hereafter to attend with them, and to assist them in their evil and wastefulness, and that is the Madhab of Malik, Abu Hanifa, Ash-Shafi'ee, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and others from the scholars of the Muslims, and from Allah we seek success


Ibnul-Hajj al-Maaliki is one of the scholars who Haafidh Ibn Hajar transmitted a lot [of his views] in his book Fath Al-Bari.


He said [May Allah have mercy on him] in his book “Al-Madkhal” (3/99) while talking about Sufis and the innovation of singing and dancing, the following:


"It was mentioned that some people asked for a fatwa in the year 661 H, and sought and collected the opinions of the four Mazhabs in this matter, and its wording is:


“What is the opinion of the masters of Fiqh, the Imams of this Religion, and the Scholars of the Muslims – May Allah grant them success to His obedience, and assist them in what Pleases Him – in a group from among the Muslims, who arrived to a city and headed to the Masjid, and started clapping, singing, and dancing, once with their hands and in another time using Doufs and Shababah. Is such an act Islamically permissible in a Masjid, answer us – May Allah the Exalted reward you and have mercy on you?


The Shafi’is said: Samaa’ (Listening [to the above mentioned]) is a Detested form of play which is similar to Batil (Falsehood), and whoever says by it (i.e. agrees on it and accepts it), his testimony would be rejected (Turad Shahadatuh), and Allah knows best.


The Malikis said: The rulers and the ones responsible should restrain and prevent them [from this], and eject them (expel them) from the Masjids until they Repent and Return [to Allah], and Allah knows best.


The Hanbalis said: Whoever does this, one should not pray behind him, and his testimony should not be accepted, and his ruling should not be accepted even if he was a judge/ruler, and if he performs a marriage ‘Aqd (contract) then it is Fasid (Void), and Allah knows best.


The Hanafis said: The rug that they dance on is not to be prayed on until it is washed, and the earth that they dance on is not to be prayed on until its sand is dug and thrown away, and Allah knows best.”


Imaam at-Tahaawi says


"Doing Raqs (dancing), Clapping, making voices aloud, playing harmonium, shrieking and to play bugle; all these things which you find in the habit of Sufis are Harram with Consensus (Ijma). Because it is the way of Kuffar (Disbelievers)"[ Hashiyatal Tahawi Ala Mawaqi Al-Falah 183 ]
 
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al-boriqee

Citizen
part 2

- The Qur’n was NOT compiled and collected into a ONE volume book. This is clear from the words of the Sahba which you mention yourself!! Hence it WAS a bid`a!


yes, a linguistic bida that has nothing to do with newly invented religious guidance


Read what you write before commenting. Abu Bakr (radiyallahu `anhu) said: "How can I do something which the Prophet (s) did NOT do?"


even in the linguistic bida, bidatun-idaaree, the companions were cautious and weary. This is a proof against you because even in what has no connection to religious guidance, the proper methodology adopted by a Muslims should be one of cautiousness, and not one of heedlessness.


- The vowels similarly did not exist before and hence they too are a bid`a.


yes, it was invented by Hajjaaj bin Yusif ath-Thaqaafi. Again, has nothing to do with invented concepts and rituals in the religion.


I’ll mention one more example out of hundreds:


- Bukhari and Muslim relate that Rifa'a ibn Rafi said, "When we were praying behind the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) and he raised his head from bowing and said , "Allah hears whoever praises Him", a man behind him said, "Our Lord, Yours is the praise, abundantly, wholesomely, and blessedly therein." When he rose to leave, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked "who said it", and when the man replied that it was he, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "I saw thirty-odd angels each striving to be the one to write it."


What does this have to do with newly invented concepts and practices in the religion. The man was praising Allah, a concept already established in the deen. We were allowed to praise Allah in various adkhaar, and this is an example of one.


These are pitiful reasons to somehow validate newly unfounded concepts and practices in the religion. Another example was brought to me alsmot similar to this about the sahaabi who used to love to recite Suratul-Ikhlaas every Eisha and he was asked why he used to recite it every Eisha, and his response because it contains the most powerful sifaat of Allah in it or something like this.


these are absurd reasons to some how use with a long stretch of one's imagination that seeking help from the dead is allowed, dancing in spiritual ecstacy as the mushriks do is allowed, and other muhdathaat in the religion are allowed under such auspices.


The man did this but it was NOT commanded, hence the Prophet (s) asking about it.


Ibn Hajar says in Fath al-Bari that the hadith indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through hadith texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the hadith [since the above words were a mere enhancement and addendum to the known, sunna dhikr].


what is stated in bold by Ibn Hajr actually does nothing to help your argument because anything that does not contradict the shariah can never be qualified with the attribute of being a "bida in the religion" even though linguistically such a thing can be called a "bida"


So it is the Sunna of the companions to accept good innovations and reject bad ones.


yeah, it is the sunnah of the sahaba to accept good innovations and reject bad ones, the problem is your defunct theory of what constitutes what "bida hasan" is and what 'bida sa'iyyyah" is.


All of the greatest scholars of Islam divided bid`a into good and bad:


* Shaykhul-Islam `Izzuddn ibn `Abdus-Salm. He divided bid`a into the following five categories: wjib, mustahab, mubh, makrh and harm. (`Izzuddn ibn `Abdis-Salm, Qaw`idul-Ahkm f Maslihil-an`m, 2:173)


you are jumping all over the place and not really aware of the views of the Imaams.


The ijmaa of the ummah is that all innovation is misguidance by default, as stated by Ibn Hajr in my previous post. And it frees itself from this ruling when it is a linguistic reality of bida that has nothing to do with bida in the shar (revealed law)


The Shafi'ees, on the other hand, reported an academic extraction of bida from its purely linguistic term. In other words, when some of the muhaqiqeen among the Shafi'ees broke down "bid'a" into the general five categories of rulings, they broke down the term "bid'a" from its purely linguistic definition, and they did this so they can extract the bad from the good and they did this without qualifying the term through other hadeeths in their classification. I don't know how else to stress this fact, I have already done it in so many ways.


Another way to say this is that these Shafi'ees did not incorporate the other hadeeths that qualified what the messenger of Allah salallahu alaihi wa sallam meant by "kullu Muhdathatun-bid'a wa kullu bidatun-dalaalah" with the hadeeth of Aisha or other than that, rather they made extractions of the term bida purely from its linguistic usage, and then they determined the states of their rulings based on the other hadeeths whereas the Jamhoor of the ulema of the other three madhaabs took the opposite route by qualifying the term bida based on the other hadeeths and thereby stating that its default position is haraam, and it becomes otherwise based on other factors.


The end result between the two ways is the same, which is that ultimately the sunni/athari perspective remains supreme and that the unfounded theories of the heretics remains baseless, and this is exemplified by the fact that the heretics never qualify "WHAT" these Imaams, whom they use as reference for their corrupt ideologies, have said as to what constitutes bida that is waajib, haraam, mustahab, makruh, or mubah.
In other words, the people who oppose the ahlu-sunnah wal-jamaah only mention the fact that a handful of scholars classified bida into the five categories of rulings, by they never list what these imaams have clarified as to what types of bida fall into these five rulings. And the reason is quite clear. it is because to list what they have actually said would result in them refuting their own baseless ideology.
therefore quoting the following facts below


* Hujjatul-Islam Imm al-Ghazl. Divided bid`a into good and bad. (Ghazl, Ihy`ulmuddn, 2:3)


* Shaykhul-Islm Imm Nawaw. He states:
“Al-Bid`a in the Law (shar`a) is the innovating of what did not exist in the time of the Messenger of Allh (sallallhu `alayhi wa sallam) and is divided into 'excellent' and 'bad' (wahya munqasimatun il Hasana wa qabHa). The Shaykh, `Izzud-dn ibn `Abdus-Salm stated in his book, al-Qaw`id: ‘Innovation is divided into obligatory (wjiba), forbidden (muharrama), recommended (mandba), offensive (makrha), and indifferent (mubha).’”
(Nawaw, Tahdhbul-Asm' wal-Lught, 3:22)


* Ibn Athr in his Jmi`ul-Usl.


* Shaykhul-Islam Imm Ibn Hajar al-`Asqaln. He states:
“The root meaning of innovation (bid`a) is what is produced without precedent. It is applied in the law in opposition to the Sunna and is therefore blameworthy. Strictly speaking, if it is part of what is classified as commendable (mustahsana) by the law then it is a good innovation (hasana), while if it is part of what is classified as blameworthy by the law then it is blameworthy (mustaqbaha), otherwise it falls in the category of what is permitted indifferently (mubh). It can be divided into the known five categories.”
(`Asqaln, Fathul-Br, 4:253)


* Shaykhul-Islam Imm Jalluddn as-Suyt in his Misbhuz-zujja Hshiyya Ibn Mja.


is useless to us especially if your unwilling to "qualify" what they considered to be bida as haraam, waajub, makruh, mustahab, or mubah.




I have already explained that you should not twist the words of the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa alihi wa sallam).


The prophetic hadith:


"Beware of matters newly begun, for every matter newly begun is innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in hell."


The scholars say that the above hadith does NOT refer to all new things without restriction, but ONLY to those which nothing in Sacred Law attests to the validity of. The use of the word "every - kul" in the hadith does not indicate an absolute generalization, for there are many examples of similar generalizations in the Qur'an and sunna that are not applicable without restriction, but rather are qualified by restrictions found in other primary textual evidence, such as the word of Allah Most High in Surat al-Najm,
". . . A man can have nothing, except what he strives for" (Koran 53:39),


Yes, this is the view of an-Nawawee and al-Izz, and others have said otherwise, but despite the ikhtilaaf, all of them, when the water really boils down, are unified towards the ahlu-sunnah position or the ahlul-hadeeth wal-athar.


in simpler terms, everyone who said "kul" is mutlaq (absolute) said so because they were corresponding all of the hadeeth of muhdathaat fi deen together as an integral whole on the subject. However, those who specified that it was not mutlaq but with amm khass, only did so by NOT initially corresponding the term bid'a with all of the other hadeeth, rather they place the lexical term "bida" into the five categories, AND THEN proceeded to judge the basis of the term based on the ahadeeth relating to the topic.


So one cannot make up their own meaning to Hadths or mistranslate them by ignoring the rules of classical Arabic (sarf, nahw, ma`n, bad`, istishqq, mantiq, lugha etc).


there are thirteen sciences to the Arabic and Im sure you do not know the basics of a single one.


furthermore, twisting can occur not only through arabic, but through corrupted methods of deduction. Thus Usoolul-fiqh is as much an integral part to understanding the athaar of Islam as arabic is, in fact even more than Arabic.


The scholar, the one of a kind in his time, the authority of his age, the commentator of Sahh Muslim, al-Hfiz an-Nawaw, explained these Hadiths clearly:


it is not necessary that you excessively praise someone for the sake of stressing your point. I try hard not to do so myself and merely just state their common title and name.


“The Prophet’s (s) saying kul bid`a (every bid`a) is a general- particular (m makhss) and it is a reference to most of the bida` (innovations). The linguistics say: It (bid`a) is any act done without a previous pattern, and it is five different kind.”
(Nawaw, Sharh Sahh Muslim, 6:21)


refer to my comments above between the different methodological structure that the shafi'ees took to deduce bida and those beyond them as Im beginnning to feel like I have beatin the horse too much with the same stick.


The Hadths you have mentioned as explained above refer to innovations of misguidance.


Shaykh-ul-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytam similarly states:


“And as for the Hadth ‘Every innovation is misguidance and every misguidance is in the Hell fire’ this Hadth is applied to reprehensible/bad innovations. It has NEVER been applied to anything other than this.”
(Ibn Hajar al-Haytam, al-Fatwal-Hadthiyya, 130)


what does this have to do with validating muhdathaat in the religion like milaadu-nabi and other oddities in the religion as introduced by heretics.


So stop twisting, misinterpreting, misapplying and mistranslating the sayings of our beloved Prophet (s).


No one has accused you of doing this and no one here has matched the characteristic of doing this. The only one who seemingly comes close to this is yourself, but i am simply giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are unaware of the disciplines of usoolul-fiqh and arabic and aqeedah to understand what your actually talking about in a cohesive manner.


i ask that you actually study from qualified scholars who are "sunni" in their aqeedah and practices and who do not incline towards innovated ideologies.


asalamu alaikum warahmatullah
 
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Pakistani1947

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Re: part 2

yes, a linguistic bida that has nothing to do with newly invented religious guidance
asalamu alaikum warahmatullah

Dear Brother al-boriqee,

Thank you very Much (JizakAllah) for your valuable, logical and to the point comments.

May Allah give you Jiza for your efforts. (Aameen)

Pakistani1947
 

makdaone

Councller (250+ posts)

سورة آل عمران
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم



وَإِنَّ مِنْهُمْ لَفَرِيقًا يَلْوُونَ أَلْسِنَتَهُم بِالْكِتَابِ لِتَحْسَبُوهُ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّـهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّـهِ وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٧٨﴾ مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّـهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِّي مِن دُونِ اللَّـهِ وَلَـٰكِن كُونُوا رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ ﴿٧٩﴾ وَلَا يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَن تَتَّخِذُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ أَرْبَابًا ۗأَيَأْمُرُكُم بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ ﴿٨٠﴾


اوربے شک ان میں سے ایک جماعت ہے کہ کتاب کو زبان مروڑ کر پڑھتے ہیں تاکہ تم یہ خیال کرو کہ وہ کتاب میں سے ہے حالانکہ وہ کتاب میں سے نہیں ہے اوروہ کہتے ہیں کہ الله کے ہاں سے ہے حالانکہ وہ الله کے ہاں سے نہیں ہے اور الله پر جان بوجھ کر جھوٹ بولتے ہیں (٧٨) کسی انسان کے لیے یہ جائز نہیں ہے کہ الله اسے کتاب اور حکمت اور نبوت عطا فرمائے پھر وہ لوگوں سے یہ کہے کہ الله کو چھوڑ کر میرے بندے ہو جاؤ لیکن کہے گا کہ تم لوگ الله والے بن جاؤ اس لیے کہ تم الله کی کتاب سکھاتے ہو اوراس واسطے کہ تم پڑھتے ہو (٧٩) اورنہ یہ جائز ہے کہ تمہیں حکم کرے کہ تم فرشتوں اور نبیوں کو رب بنا لو کیا وہ تمہیں کفر سکھائے گا بعد اس کے کہ تم مسلمان ہو چکے ہو (٨٠)


Al-i-Imran




And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it. (78) It is not (possible) for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book and Al-Hukma (the knowledge and understanding of the laws of religion, etc.) and Prophethood to say to the people: "Be my worshippers rather than Allah's." On the contrary (he would say): "Be you Rabbaniyun (learned men of religion who practise what they know and also preach others), because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it." (79) Nor would he order you to take angels and Prophets for lords (gods). Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to Allah's Will? (Tafsir At-Tabari). (80)
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
May Allah give hidayat to innovators that they can follow the clear verses of Quraan and authentic Hadeeths and may they stop blind follow their ignorant Peers. (Aameen)
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
My question is, who are the real culprits and why? Those who changed deen to mazhab centuries back or mullahs of today who follow them blindly thinking they are following islam or both?
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
My question is, who are the real culprits and why? Those who changed deen to mazhab centuries back or mullahs of today who follow them blindly thinking they are following islam or both?

Whoever blind follows is a culprit. Every soul is responsible for their own acts.

Al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi ( رحمة الله عليه ) defines Taqleed as, "To accept an opinion without knowing the evidence" (al-Fiqhi wa'al-Mutafiqa)

Imam Shafi'ee ( رحمة الله عليه ) has been quoted by Imam Muzni as saying, "One should not make Taqleed of anyone except Rasoolullah
(صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)". (Mukhtasar al-Muzni)

Ibn Hazm ( رحمة الله عليه ) says, "In reality Taqleed is to accept any other's words other than the messenger of Allah's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) without evidence. This description/definition is what the Muslim Ummah has agreed that this is what is Taqleed and the baselessness of this (concept) is proven". (Al-Ahkaam fi Usool)
 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
the reason why the classical sunni scholars objected to the inventions of the innovators on milaadu-nabi as commented by Ibn Katheer (who actually identifies that the people who invented this bida were the fatimi shi'a, a murtad sect) and others is because that particular innovation perfectly is in sync with the very basis of how Imaam ash-Shaatibi al-Maaliki has identified bida in the religion.


However, Ibn Kathr does not censor the Mld but rather writes of it favourably.

Also, the origin provided above is also disputed since there has been mention of it prior to the Fatimid rule.
In his book Akhbar Makka, Vol. 2, p. 160, the 3rd-century historian of Mecca, al-Azraqi, mentions as one of the many places in Mecca in which the performance of sala is desirable (mustahabb), the house where the Prophet was born (Mawlid al-Nabi ). According to him, the house had previously been turned into a mosque by the mother of the caliphs Musa al-Hadi and Harun ar-Rashid.
The Qur’anic scholar al-Naqqash (266-351) mentions the birthplace of the Prophet as a place where du`a by noon on Mondays is answered. He is quoted in al-Fasi’s Shifa’ al-gharam Vol. 1, p. 199, and others.

This is a proof for our sunni argument and is against your theory. While someone may be stuck to reside themselves to the wording of what Mullah Ali al-Qaari has said rahimahullah, by saying verbatim "say'iyyah" and "hasana", people who desire to arrive on accuracy, correctness , and to the pleasure of Allah will understand his usage of these terms by way of what he himself has classified in this very statement. if one tries to arrive at the substance of his argument, one will recognize that he qualifies what he means by "good innovation" by citing examples of that like compiling the Qur'an. In the view of the Sunni orthodox scholars, the compilation of the Qur'an has nothing to do with a bida that pertains to the shariah, rather it is an idaaree, rather "linguistic" existence that has nothing to do with introducing a new concept that differs from the revealed shariah in either number, form, cause, type, place, or time.

Thus Imaam Ali al-Qaari saying "it means, every ‘bid`a which is bad (sayyi'ah) is misguidance’ because he (`alayhis-saltu was-salm) stated: ‘whosoever innovates a good innovation in islam will get the rewards of it and the rewards of those who practice it after.’

and we saying "all innovation is bad unless it falls under what is idaaree, or linguistic", is virtually the same thing yet expressed differently.

The same could be done of Imm ash-Shtibs discourse on this subject by bringing it in line with the clearly worded text of Mull `Al Qr, rahmahumallh.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya`qubi has rejected the division of innovation into bid`a fid-din and bid`a fid-dunya.


This is indeed a good argument on your behalf if people did not have any details about the explanatory shariah.
Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaani unsurprisingly explained these matters in detail in corresponding to the classical sunni stance as advocated by what you have identified as "a new quarters". He reports from Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee that
قال الشافعي "البدعة بدعتان: محمودة ومذمومة، فما وافق السنة فهو محمود وما خالفها فهو مذموم"
i.e.
Al-Shafi'i said:
Bidah is of two types: praiseworthy and blameworthy. Whatever is in agreemenet with the Sunnah it is praiseworthy and whatever opposes it is blameworthy.
Thus we all know by default that every innovation that is truly described as good is so because it automatically conforms with and has basis with the sunnah.

However, if this is not enough to explain, what Ibn Hajr then says will. He says
وأما " البدع " فهو جمع بدعة وهي كل شيء ليس له مثال تقدم فيشمل لغة ما يحمد ويذم ، ويختص في عرف أهل الشرع بما يذم وإن وردت في المحمود فعلى معناها اللغوي

i.e.
As for innovations (البدع), it is the plural of innovation (بدعة) and it is everything which does not have any prior example. Linguistically, [the word] encompasses what is both praiseworthy and blameworthy. In the usage of the people of the legislation (i.e. Scholars) it is specifically for what is blameworthy and if it is used in connection to what is praiseworthy, then it is upon its linguistic meaning.

So what do we have here. As with every terminology in Islam, words have a linguistic, and then have a separate shar'i meaning to it. From its linguistic meaning, it contains both what is praiseworthy and blameworthy. In the language of the fuqaha who define the parameters of the shariah, they have constricted bida to be nothing but blameworthy and ONLY as an exception to this, when it is used in a praiseworthy sense, it is based on its linguistic usage and not on its shar'i usage.
Thus inventing an airplane so Muslims can make Hajj is not a bida in the shar'i sense but in the linguistic sense and celebrating the milad of nabi is a bida in the shar'i sense and not in its linguistic sense.


It wouldn’t be taken only linguistically because Imam ash-Shafi’i uses the words “minal-umr – in the religion” and cites the statement of Sayyidun `Umar (radiyallhu ta`l `anhu) as evidence which is related to the Shar`a:

“Innovated matters in religion are of two kinds: 1) Whatever is innovated and contravenes the Book, or the Sunnah, or a narration, or Ijma` (consensus) – then that is an innovation of misguidance. 2) Whatever is innovated of [any and all good things - minal-khayr] and that does not contradict any of these – then this is a novelty which is not blameworthy. And `Umar (radiyallahu `anhu) said concerning the night-prayer in the month of Ramadan: ‘ni`matul-bida`atu hdhihi’ what a good innovation this is’ meaning it was innovated without having existed before and, even so, there was nothing in it that contradicted the above.”
(Bayhaqi, Manqib al-Shfi`, 1:469)

al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani in his commentary of `Umar’s saying related by Bukhari about Salat al-Tarawih: “What a fine innovation this is” (ni`mat al-bid`a hadhih):
قال عمر نعم البدعة في بعض الروايات نعمت البدعة بزياة تاء والبدعة أصلها ما أحدث على غير مثال سابق وتطلق في الشرع في مقابل السنة فتكون مذمومة والتحقيق أنها أن كانت مما تندرج تحت مستحسن في الشرع فهي حسنة وأن كانت مما تندرج تحت مستقبح في الشرع فهي مستقبحة وإلا فهي من قسم المباح وقد تنقسم إلى الأحكام الخمسة
“‘Umar said, “[What a] Fine innovation!” and in some narrations a (letter) ‘taa’ is added. The root meaning of innovation (bid`a) is what is produced without precedent. It is applied in the law in opposition to the Sunna and is, in that case, blameworthy. Strictly speaking, if it is part of what is classified as commendable by the law then it is an excellent innovation (hasana), while if it is part of what is classified as blameworthy by the law then it is blameworthy (mustaqbaha), otherwise it falls in the category of what is permitted (mubh). It can be divided into the five legal categories [(or rulings) ahkm al-khamsa)].”


And the five categories are give categories of the law.


Notice that most jurists define bid`a dalāla (misguided) as an act or dogma that contradicts the Sunna and has no foundation in Islām. So if an act does not contradict the pure Sunna and does have a basis in law, it is not an evil bid`a but a good bid`a.


Haafidh al-Albaanee committed 100 thousand hadeeth to memory. As we say in hadeeth circles, he has them "hifdhan, haadhiran" meaning not only does he have them, but its present with him. In american English terminology of pop culture it is like saying "he got it like that". Some of the other classical modern day scholars do not reach his ankle, rather they have most or all of the six books memorized.

Is it possible for you to quote a book which has stated the above please as this is the first time I have read such a thing.

Shaykh Ahmad bin Hajar Aal Butami ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 1423H) explains in his book Tahdhir al-Muslimin anil-Ibtidaa' wal-Bida' fil-Din (Dar al-Imam al-Bukhari, 1428H, p. 114):...
Thus Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee's statement is understood by the fuqahaa as pertaining to bida that is idaaree, or linguistic, and has nothing to do with inventions that affect the revealed law (shariah)

When we have Hfiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalns [d. 852AH] statement, with all due respect, there is no need for the modern writer Shaykh Ahmad bin Hajar Aal Butami ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 1423H). Otherwise, several dozen modern scholars can be cited saying the opposite.

1. When only the shafi'ee ulema concluded the term "kul" to be am makhsus, they were speaking purely linguistically. However the shariah and the arrival to the truth of the shariah is not solely based on the linguistic usage alone, because Islam came to clarify guidance and did not come to explain arabic. Conversely, the majority of the Scholars of the Sunnah, when they look at this wording (كل بدعة ضلالة), they are upon the understanding that the word (بدعة) has already been qualified in the hadeeth of Aa'ishah (مَنْ أَحْدَثَ فِي أَمْرِنَا هَذَا مَا لَيْسَ مِنْهُ فَهُوَ رَدٌ), which restricts and qualifies innovations in religion only, since the Messenger said, introduces into this affair of ours", and hence when the Messenger (alayhis salaam) says (كل بدعة), this saying is absolute, unqualified and unrestricted and applies to every innovation in the religion.

This is just an assumption. The quote from Hafiz Ibn Hajar above clearly describes it with the words: في الشرع.

3. You have just demonstrated a severe lack of ignorance of arabic in your demonstration of Imaam an-Nasaa'ees name. While i do concede to the view that his name is Nasaa'ee, like most of the persian names, these names were differed over between ahl-lugha vs ahl-hadeeth. The ahl-hadeeth were adamant to keep the name as pronounced in its original form, thus they favored Nisa'ee. Contrary to them were the ahl-lugha, who favored the position of arabizing the term, thus they favored an-Nasaa'ee over Nisa'ee. The fact that you were ignorant of these facts and concluded a dichotomy based on an immorality because it disagrees with your viewpoint reveals that you should not be engaging in these discussions to begin with.

His name is Nas’ because he was from “Nas’” and that has nothing to do with Arabic lugha.

the issue here is that al-Nawawi is absolutely correct that the word (كل) is indeed a generalization that is qualified - from his particular perspective of things (which is to see the word "bidah" purely with its linguistic meaning). The difference is that most of Ahl al-Sunnah believe that that word (بدعة) is already qualified by what is in the hadeeth of Aa'ishah (radiallaahu anhaa), whereas al-Nawawi and the Shafi'ite jurists have brought a classification to enable the qualification of what they see to be a word only having its broad unqualified linguistic meaning which is anything without any prior example whether praiseworthy or blameworthy" Now because this definition would include (in the modern era) your pizzas, burgers, hoodies, sneakers, brick and marble houses, the internet, mobile devices, types of technology and so on, these Shafi'ite jurists simply made classifications to allow these types of things to be excluded from what is otherwise the blameworthy bidah (innovation). Hence, they said there is an obligatory innovation (so we would say putting the Qur'an in digital format for devices and for the internet is an obligation) and a recommended innovation (setting up online schools for teaching of Qur'an and tajweed is a recommended innovation), and a permitted innovation (enjoy that pizza, wear that hoodie and don those cool sneakers). So it becomes clear after all this that in reality there is no difference between these two groups of Scholars, they all have the same understanding, but are just simply using two different languages to express it.

Imm an-Nawaw clearly mentions the Shar`i definition (see below) and in relation to the Hadith, he has clarified this issue of bid`a in further depth in the Chapter on Jumu’ah:
وَقَدْ سَبَقَ بَيَان هَذَا فِي كِتَاب صَلَاة الْجُمُعَة , وَذَكَرْنَا هُنَاكَ أَنَّ الْبِدَع خَمْسَة أَقْسَام : وَاجِبَة وَمَنْدُوبَة وَمُحَرَّمَة وَمَكْرُوهَة وَمُبَاحَة .
“…that bida’ah is divided into 5 branches: obligatory, recommended, forbidden, hated, and permitted - Wjib, mandb, harm, makrh and mubh are Shar` classifications."


The term kull ("every") in the Hadith to be all encompassing without exception, whereas in Arabic it may mean "Nearly all" or "the vast majority." This is how al-Shafi'i understood it or else he would have never allowed for any innovation whatsoever to be considered good, and he is considered a hujja or "Proof," that is, reference without peer for questions regarding the Arabic language. The stylistic figure of meaning the part by the whole, or nechdoche in English is in Arabic: 'abbara 'an al-kathrat bil-kulliyya. This is illustrated by the use of kull in the following verse 46:25 of the Quran which Imam an-Nawaw cites to prove its usage in a selective or partial sense not a universal sense:

"Destroying all things by commandment of its Lord. And morning found them so that naught could be seen save their dwellings". Thus, the dwellings were not destroyed although "all" things had been destroyed. "All" here means specifically the lives of the unbelievers of 'Ad and their properties except their houses.


That is a logical error from the Shaykh because if something was actually belonging to "this affair of ours", then by definition this cannot be called "bida" in the deen. This is a perfect example where deception is practiced whereby a meaning is introduced by way of another. The shaykh here attempts to validate religious guidance not found in the revealed law of Muhammad to be the same and equal to "an innovation that belongs into this affair of ours". For the people of fiqh, they can clearly see how the former is contrary to the latter.
this same illogic is manifested in this quote. Whatever does NOT contradict the religion, is accepted, and thereby has nothing to do with "bida" in the shariah.

The first Hadith has the words "aHdatha - innovates" and the second one is related to it hence it is to do with bid`a.

Shaykhul-Islam an-Nawawee does indeed define bida in the law. an-Nawawee completely conceded to the view of Sultan al-Ulema al-Izz ibn 'Abdus-Salaam and cites a good portion of his speech verbatim.
Here is the English rendering of the expressions used by al-Izz as quoted by an-Nawawee, which you have not provided, which is understandable from two angles
1. because your merely making taqleed of a defunct tahqeeq provided by someone else
2. if they had done a full tahqeeq, they would have refuted their own stance
At any rate, here is what an-Nawawee actually says

For the obligatory innovations are examples, from them: [First] Being occupied with the knowledge of grammar by which the speech of Allaah and the speech of the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) is understood. This [innovation] is obligatory because the preservation of the Shariah is obligatory, and its preservation cannot be maintained except by that, and that without which an obligation cannot be fulfilled is itself obligatory. Second, preservation of the [meanings of] obscure words in the language occurring in the Book and the Sunnah. Third, laying down the foundations of the religion and of jurisprudence. Fourth, speech about al-jarh wal-ta'deel (criticism and appraisal) [of narrators], and distinguishing between the authentic from the weak. The principles of the Shariah have themselves indicated that preserving the Shariah is fard kifaayah (collective obligation) regarding that which goes beyond the capacity of an individual, and that cannot be fulfilled except by what we have mentioned.And for the unlawful innovations are examples, from them: The [belief] doctrines of al-qadar, and al-jabar, and (those of) the Murji'ah and Mujassimah. Refuting these (people) is from the obligatory innovations.
For the recommended innovations are examples, from them: Setting up hospices and schools and every benevolent endeavour not present in the first era, and (also) from (the examples) is at-Tarawih, and speech regarding the details of tasawwuf, and [also] argumentation, from which is the setting up of gatherings for deduction of evidence (in knowledge based matters) [only] if Allaah, the Exalted's face is sought by that.
And for the disliked innovations are examples, from them: Adornment of the mosques, and decoration of the mushafs [of the Qur'an].
And for the permitted innovations are examples, from them: shaking hands after the morning and late afternoon prayers, and from them is taking liberties in that which is great pleasure in terms of food, drink, clothing and residence and wearing shawls and widening of the sleeves. There could be some differing regarding some of these matters and some of the Scholars may place them amongst the disliked innovations, and others may place them amongst the sunnahs that were actually performed in the time of the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and also after his time, and this is like pronouncing the isti'aadhah and basmalah in the prayer.
[Al-Nawawi:] This is the end of his [al-Izz's] speech.

As anyone who can read can see that while some people are caught up with merely quoting the fact that some shafi'ee Imaams concluded with classifying bida into the five categories of rulings, none of such people bother to actually cite what they have expressed as examples of those rulings. The reason why is clearly noticeable, and that is because mentioning their actual speech in what they viewed to be examples of each ruling entails a direct opposition of what is being advocated under their name and conforms with our view when things are ultimately boiled down.


This is Shaykh al-Islm, Sultn al-`Ulm' Imm al-`Izz Ibn `Abd al-Salm classification from his own book:

“There are different types of innovations (bida`). The first type is whatever the Law indicated as praiseworthy or obligatory and the like of which was not done in the first period of Islm. The second type is whatever the Law indicated as forbidden or disliked, and which was not done in the first period of Islm. The third type is whatever the Law indicated as indifferently permitted and which was not done in the first period of Islm.”
(Ibn `Abd al-Salm, al-Fatw al-Mawsiliyya, p. 129)


Elsewhere he states that the categories of bid`a are five, identical to the jurists' classification of deeds:
“obligatory” (wjib),
“forbidden” (h.arm),
“recommended” (mandb),
“disliked” (makrh), and
“indifferently permitted” (mubh.).
(Ibn `Abd al-Salm, al-Qaw`id al-Kubr, 2:337-339)


Shaykh al-Islm, Imm al-Nawaw simply endorses his view:
“Al-Bid`a in the Law is the innovating of what did not exist in the time of the Messenger of Allh and is divided into “excellent” and “bad” (wahya munqasimatun il hasana wa qabha). The Shaykh, the Imm on whose foremost leadership, greatness, standing, and brilliance in all kinds of Islamic sciences there is consensus, Ab Muhammad `Abd al-`Azz ibn `Abd al-Salm - Allh have mercy on him and be well-pleased with him! - said toward the end of his book, al-Qaw`id [al-Kubr]:

“Innovation is divided into 'obligatory' (wjiba), 'forbidden's (muharrama), 'recommended's (mandba), 'offensive's (makrha), and 'indifferent's (mubha).

The way [to discriminate] in this is that the innovation be examined in the light of the regulations of the Law (qaw`id al-shar`a). If it falls under the regulations of obligatoriness (jb) then it is obligatory; under the regulations of prohibitiveness (tahrm) then it is prohibited; recommendability, then recommended; offensiveness, then offensive; indifference, then indifferent.”
(Al-Nawaw, Tahdhb al-Asm' wal-Lught, 3:20-22)


The lexicographer Ibn al-Athr al-Jazar said the same in his masterpiece, al-Nihya f Gharb al-Hdth wal-Athar:

“Bid`a is two kinds: the bid`a of guidance and the bid`a of misguidance (bid`atu hud wa-bid`atu dalla). Whatever contravenes the command of Allh and His Messenger : that is within the sphere of blame and condemnation. And whatever enters into the generality of what Allh or His Prophet commended or stressed: that is within the sphere of praise. Whatever has no precedent such as extreme generosity or goodness - such are among the praiseworthy acts. It is impermissible that such be deemed to contravene the Law because the Prophet has stipulated that such would carry reward when he said: “Whoever institutes a good practice in Islm (man sanna fl-islmi sunnatan h.asana) has its reward and the reward of all those who practice it.” And he said, conversely, “whoever institutes a bad practice in Islm (waman sanna fl-islmi sunnatan sayyi'atan) bears its onus and the onus of all those who practice it.” Such is when the act goes against what Allh and His Messenger commanded.... It is in this sense that the h.adth “every innovation is misguidance” is understood: he means, whatever contravenes the bases of the Law and does not concur with the Sunna.”
(Ibn al-Athr, al-Nihya, 1:79, entry b-d-`)


Further quotes can be found in Shaykh al-`Amrawi's work, along with further analysis and research on the topic. The following is one of the quotes from Qadi Abu Bakr in al-`Arabi as cited by the Shaykh on p.46 of his book:

وقال القاضي أبو بكر بن العربي: "اعلموا –علَّمَكُم الله- أنَّ المحدثَ على قسمين: محدثٌ ليس له أصل إلا الشهوة والعمل بمقتضى الإرادة، فهذا باطل قطعاً، ومحدَّثٌ بحمل النظير على النظير، فهذه سنة الخلفاء، والأئمة الفضلاء، وليس المحدث والبدعة مذمومين للفظ محدث وبدعة، ولا لمعناهما
[انظر (عارضة الأحوذي) 10/147]
“Know - May Allh grant you knowledge! - that innovated matters are two kinds (al-muh.dathtu d.arbn).
1.) An innovated matter that has no basis other than lust and arbitrary practice. Such is categorically invalid. And
2.) An innovated matter understood to correspond to something [established]. Such is the Sunna of the Caliphs and that of the eminent Imms. Innovated matters and innovations are not blameworthy merely for being called muh.dath and bid`a nor because of their meaning! Allh Most High has said, { Never comes there unto them a new (muh.dath) reminder from their Lord **(21:2) and `Umar (ra) said: “What a fine bid`a this is!” Rather, only the bid`a that contradicts the Sunna is blameworthy and only the innovated matters that invite to misguidance are blameworthy.”
(Ibn al-`Arab, `rid.at al-Ahwadh (10:146-147))


And this is a quote from Qadi `Iyad, from p.50:

 وقال القاضي أبو الفضل عَيَاض السَّبْتي في تعريف البدعة: "كل ما أحدث بعد النبي
"كل بدعة ضلالة"  فهو بدعة، والبدعة فعل ما لم يسبق إليه، فما وافق من السنة يقاس عليها، فهو محمود، وما خالف السنن فهو ضلالٌ، ومنه قوله
[انظر (مشارق الأنوار...) 1/22]


Hujjat al-Islām al-Ghazzālī said in his discussion of the adding of dots to the Qur’anic script:

"The fact that this is innovated (muhdath) forms no impediment to this. How many innovated matters are excellent! As it was said concerning the establishing of congregations in Tarāwīh. That it was among the innovations of `Umar and that it was an excellent innovation ( bid’a hasana). The blameworthy bid’a is only what opposes the ancient Sunna or might lead to changing it."
(Al-Ghazzālī, Ihyā’ ‘Ulūm al-Dīn (1:276)


This basic distinction between acceptable and unacceptable forms of bid'a is recognised by the overwhelming majority of classical ulema. Among some, for instance al-Izz ibn Abd al-Salam (one of the half-dozen or so great mujtahids of Islamic history), innovations fall under the five axiological headings of the Shari'a: the obligatory (wajib), the recommended (mandub), the permissible (mubah), the offensive (makruh), and the forbidden (haram):

(1) The first category comprises innovations that are obligatory , such as recording the Koran and the laws of Islam in writing when it was feared that something might be lost from them; the study of the
disciplines of Arabic that are necessary to understand the Koran and sunna such as grammar, word declension, and lexicography; hadith classification to distinguish between genuine and spurious prophetic traditions; and the philosophical refutations of arguments advanced by the Mu'tazilites and the like.


(2)The second category is that of unlawful innovations such as non-Islamic taxes and levies, giving positions of authority in Sacred Law to those unfit for them, and devoting ones time to learning the beliefs of heretical sects that contravene the tenets of faith of Ahl al-Sunna.

(3) The third category consists of recommended innovations such as building hostels and schools of Sacred Law, recording the research of Islamic schools of legal thought, writing books on beneficial subjects, extensive research into fundamentals and particular applications of Sacred Law, in-depth studies of Arabic linguistics, the reciting of wirds (def:Reliance of the Traveller w20) by those with a Sufi path, and commemorating the birth (mawlid), of the Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) and wearing ones best and rejoicing at it.


(4) The fourth category includes innovations that are offensive, such as embellishing mosques, decorating the Koran and having a backup man (muballigh) loudly repeat the spoken Allahu Akbar of the imam when the latters voice is already clearly audible to those who are praying behind him.


(5) the fifth category is that of innovations that are permissible, such as sifting flour, using spoons and having more enjoyable food, drink and housing.

(Cited in Muhammad al-Jurdani, al-Jawahir al-lu'lu'iyya fi sharh al-Arba'in al-Nawawiya (Damascus, 1328), 220-1)

This is how the Shfi`s understand `Izzuddn ibn Abdus-Salms position.


In conclusion, the position of the majority of the scholars is clear: "To invent" (ahdatha - ) a "new practice" (bid'at - ) may refer either to the matter that is new linguistically speaking (lafzan), e.g. stone masjids, all the Islamic sciences, writing books about religion, etc. or the matter that is new legally speaking (shar`an - ), e.g. a sixth daily prayer. Since bid`a usually applies to innovations in religion in the legal sense, the former kind of "new matter" does not qualify as a bid`a and therefore is not prohibited. The celebration of mawlid falls under its heading. This is the ruling of all the major scholars on the definition of bid`a.
 
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rafiq

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There is a lot of Mawlid related material in Kitb al-Madkhal by Ibn al-Hjj where he describes the merits related to it:
"It is an obligation that on every Monday of Rabi` ul- Awwal we increase our worship to thank Allah for what He gave us as a great favor -- the favor of sending us His beloved Prophet to direct us to Islam and to peace... The Prophet, when answering someone questioning him about fasting on Mondays, mentioned: On that day I was born. Therefore that day gives honor to that month, because that is the day of the Prophet... and he said: I am the master of the children of Adam and I say that without pride... and he said: Adam and whoever is descended from him are under my flag on the day of Judgment. These hadiths were transmitted by the Shaikhayn [Bukhari and Muslim]. And Muslim quotes in his Sahih, the Prophet said, On that day, Monday, I was born and on that day the first message was sent to me."

(Ibn Hjj, al-Madkhal, 1:261)


Imm Suyt explains Imm Ibnul-Hjjs opinion to avoid others getting confused:

“He did not decry mawlid per se, but only denounced the forbidden and reprehensible actions that [people] include in the mawlid.”


This is also what al-Imm az-Zarqn stated:

“Though this act is an innovation (bid`a), it is a praiseworthy (hasana) innovation, as stated by Suyt and indicated by Ibn al-Hajj in his book Madkhal. Although he condemns the forbidden (harm) ingredients introduced (into some congregations), prior to this [in his book], he specifically mentioned giving alms, charity, doing extra acts of worship and other pious deeds more vigorously during the blessed month of The Birth.”

(Sharh al-Mawhib by Imm az-Zarqn, 1:139)


Other Mliks also wrote with approval. The great scholar, Jallud-dn [`Abdur-Rahmn] Suyt, related from Kamlud-dn al-Adfaw’s book at-Tli` as-Sa`d, who stated in there:

“Our friend al-`Adl Nsirud-dn Mahmd ibn al-`Imd narrated to us that Abut-Tayyib Muhammad ibn Ibrhm as-Sabt al-Malik, who lives at Qs and who is one of the practising scholars (al-`ulam’ al-`miln), used to pass by the school on the day of the Prophet’s peace and blessings of Allh be upon him birth and say: ‘O faqh ! This is a day of joy. Let the children go’ and he would let us go. This is a proof of his confirmation and acceptance, not a denial (of showing happiness for the Prophet’s birth). This man was a Mlik faqh, excellent in science and an ascetic. Ab Hayyn and others took (Hadth) from him. He died in 695 AH.”

(Husn Maqsid f `Amal-il Mawlid by Imm Jall ad-Dn Suyt, pp. 66-67)


Other than the [few page] tract ascribed to al-Fkihn, you would be hard pressed to find a work by a scholar disapproving of the Mawlid prior to about 150 years ago. Who are these new comers compared to the numerous authorities who agree with marking it?


This can go back and fro on and on which I certainly don’t have time for whilst trying to reap the rewards of Ramadn. At the end of the day, there are masses of classical authorities of this Dn who agreed with marking the Mawlid. Were they going against the Qur’n and Sunna? Are the modern day scholars who disapprove of it yet who make excuses for the practices of their leaders (kings/princes) the only ones who have following the Qur’n and Sunna for the past 1000 years?


Hanafis:

Imam Qutb al-Din al-Hanafi, al-I`lam bi a`lam bayt Allah al-haram Imam Muhammad ibn Jar Allah ibn Zahira, al-Jami` al-latif `Abd al-Haqq Muhaddith Dihlawi, Ma thabata min al-sunna Shah `Abd al-Rahim Dihlawi, al-Durr al-thamin Shah Wali Allah Dihlawi, Fuyud al-haramayn Mufti `Inayat Allah Kakurawi, Tarikh Habib Allah Mufti Muhammad Mazhar Allah Dihlawi, Fatawa mazhari Mulla `Ali al-Qari, al-Mawrid al-rawi fi Mawlid al-nabi. Haji Imdad Allah Muhajir Makki, Shama'im imdadiyya Muhaddith `Abd al-Hayy al-Lucknawi, Fatawa `Abd al-Hayy


Malikis:

Hafiz Ibn Dihya al-Kalbi, al-Tanwir fi mawlid al-bashir al-nadhir Imam al-Turtushi, Kitab al-hawadith wa al-bida` (indirectly) Imam al-Faqih Abu al-Tayyib Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Sabti (d. 695), as quoted by al-Adfawi in Suyuti's Husn al-maqsid Abu `Abd Allah Sayyidi Muhammad ibn `Abbad al-Nafzi, al-Rasa'il al-kubra Shaykh Jalal al-Din al-Kattani, Rawdat al-Jannat fi Mawlid khatim al-risalat, also quoted in Sakhawi's Subul al-huda Shaykh Nasir al-Din ibn al-Tabbakh, quoted in Sakhawi's Subul al-huda Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Makki, al-Ihtifal bi dhikra al-mawlid


Shafi`is:

Hafiz Abu Shama, al-Ba`ith `ala inkar al-bida` wa al-hawadith Hafiz Shams al-Din al-Jazari, `Urf al-ta`rif bi al-mawlid al-sharif. Hafiz Shams al-Din ibn Nasir al-Din al-Dimashqi, al-Mawrid al- sadi fi mawlid al-hadi; Jami` al-athar fi mawlid al-nabi al-mukhtar; al-lafz al-ra'iq fi mawlid khayr al-khala'iq Hafiz Zayn al-Din al-`Iraqi, al-Mawrid al-hani fi al-mawlid al-sani Hafiz al-Dhahabi, Siyar a`lam al-nubala' (indirectly) Hafiz Ibn Kathir, Kitab Mawlid an-Nabi, and al-Bidaya p. 272-273. Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani, as quoted by Suyuti in al-Hawi. Qastallani, al-Mawahib al-laduniyya Hafiz al-Sakhawi, Subul al-huda, also quoted in Qari, al-Mawrid al-rawi Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Fatawa hadithiyya; al-Ni`mat al- kubra `ala al-`alam fi mawlid sayyid waladi Adam; Tahrir al-kalam fi al-qiyam `inda dhikr mawlid sayyid al-anam; Tuhfat al-akhyar fi mawlid al-mukhtar Hafiz Wajih al-Din `Abd al-Rahman al-Zabidi al-Dayba` (d. 944), Kitab al-mawlid. Zahir al-Din Ja`far al-Misri, quoted in Sakhawi's Subul al-huda Muhammad ibn Yusuf al-Salihi al-Shami, quoted in Sakhawi's Subul al-huda Kamal al-Din al-Adfawi, al-Tali` al-sa`id Hafiz al-Suyuti, Husn al-Maqsid fi `amal al-Mawlid in his al- Hawi li al-fatawi al-Zarqani, Sharh al-mawahib Abu Zur`a al-`Iraqi, as quoted in Muhammad ibn Siddiq al- Ghumari's Tashnif al-adhan


Hanbalis:

Ibn al-Jawz
 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytam mentions that some scholars have seen in this evidence for the permissibility of dancing (ar-raqs) upon hearing a recital (sam`) that lifts the spirit:

وقد صح القيام والرقص في مجالس الذكر والسماع عن جماعة من كبار الأئمة منهم عز الدين شيخ الإسلام ابن عبد السلام

(al-Haytam, Fatw hadithiyya p. 212).

al-Yfi` concurs with him in Mir't al-jinn.(al-Yfi`, Mir't al-jinn, 4:154).

Both of them mention al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salm (misqouted above) as the chief example of such scholars, since it is authentically reported that he himself 'attended the sam` and danced in states of ecstasy' (kna yahduru al-sam` wa yarqusu wa yatawjadu), as stated by Ibn al-`Imd on the authority of al-Dhahab, Ibn Shkir al- Kutab, al-Yfi`, an-Nabahn, and Ab al- Sa`dat. (Ibn al-`Imd, Shadharat al-dhahab 5:302; Ibn Shkir al-Kutab, Fawat al-wafyat, 1:595; al-Yfi`, Mir't al-jinn, 4:154; an-Nabahn, Jmi` karamt al-awliy, 2:71; Ab al-Sa`dat, Tj al-ma`rif, p. 250)
 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
There is an accepted difference of opinion about gathering during the night of mid-Sha`ban. However, the below Hadith is not weak.

It is related on the authority of `Abdullāh ibn`Amr (radiyallāhu `anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (sallallāhu `alayhi wa sallam) stated:


“Allah observes His creatures on the middle night of Sha`bān. He would forgive the sins of His servants except for two people, the quarrelsome and the murderer.”
(Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad, 2:176)

Mundhirī has stated: “Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal has related this from a layyin narrator (narrator with a weakness)” (al-Mundhirī, at-Targhīb wat-Tarhīb, 3:308).

Haythamī has: “This narration has [in its chain of transmission] Ibn Lahī`ah who is layyin al-Hadīth (has a weakness in narrating)” (al-Haythamī, Majma`uz-zawā’id, 8:65).

`Abdullāh ibn Lahī`ah ibn`Uqba al-Misrī has been mentioned by Imām Suyūtī who stated “Imām Ahmad and others have labelled him thiqa (a strong narrator) while Yahya ibn Qattān and others consider him weak (da`īf)” (Suyūtī, Tabaqātul-Huffāz, 1:107).

The Muhaddithīn have given the following verdicts about the rest of the chain:

a. Hasan ibn Mūsā is a tābi` (a successor of the Sahāba). Yahya ibn Ma`īn, `Alī ibn Madīnī and Ibn Hibbān have declared him to be thiqa (strong). (`Asqalānī, Tahdhībut-tahdhīb, 2:279)

b. Yahya ibn `Abdullāh is thiqa. (Ibn Hibbān, ath-Thiqa, 6:236)

c. Abū `Abdur-Rahmān ibn Yazīd Shāmī is a tābi` and is thiqa. (`Ijlī, Ma`rifatus-Sahāba, 2:66)

There are numerous supporting narrations for this which strengthens this Hadīth and brings it above any level of weakness and there are plenty of books available documenting this.
 

rafiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
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If the purpose of your post was the wholesale condemnation of taqlid of the 4 classical schools of law, then be warned that you are then condemning 95% of the greatest scholars of the past. If you are happy with that, then all I can say is good luck to you.

If you oppose anyone following the great authorities of the past, don't expect anyone to follow you.

Whoever blind follows is a culprit. Every soul is responsible for their own acts.

Al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi ( رحمة الله عليه ) defines Taqleed as, "To accept an opinion without knowing the evidence" (al-Fiqhi wa'al-Mutafiqa)

Imam Shafi'ee ( رحمة الله عليه ) has been quoted by Imam Muzni as saying, "One should not make Taqleed of anyone except Rasoolullah
(صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)". (Mukhtasar al-Muzni)

Ibn Hazm ( رحمة الله عليه ) says, "In reality Taqleed is to accept any other's words other than the messenger of Allah's (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) without evidence. This description/definition is what the Muslim Ummah has agreed that this is what is Taqleed and the baselessness of this (concept) is proven". (Al-Ahkaam fi Usool)
 

makdaone

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If the purpose of your post was the wholesale condemnation of taqlid of the 4 classical schools of law, then be warned that you are then condemning 95% of the greatest scholars of the past. If you are happy with that, then all I can say is good luck to you.

If you oppose anyone following the great authorities of the past, don't expect anyone to follow you.


why you select dislike on Quran Verses which i post perviously
what kind of muslim you are ???
i can only say for you
ان لله وان اليه راجعون
 

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