The cult of "Quranists" prophet SAW warned us about

[Shimaz]

If the verses of the Quran say it is complete and detailed, then obviously, there is no traditional Salah (namaz) in the Quran. This basic concept wouldn't sit well with an anti-Quranist cultist.
If you are still questioning, then you are challenging Allah (SWT)

Well since you are such an enlightened muslim who has figured out that traditional salah of 1400 years established and proven by all prophets and prophet muhammad SAW (and taught by him to his sahaba) is invalid, do enlighten the 2 billion muslims how they should pray according to Quran?
So How you perform your salah because clearly it is made mandatory in the Quran.

Go on mr not-traditional.

"Surely the Salah at fixed hours (of the day and night) has been enjoined upon the believers." (Quran 4:103).

2:43 And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience].

5:6 O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles.

 

[Citizen X]

Believing in Quran, Sunnah, Hadith and basic pillars of Islam, life after death, angles, hell and heaven, is part of of definition of a muslim brought by prophet Muhammad SAW.

Can you point out where in the Quran it says we have to follow hadith. Something that wasn't even invented yet and wouldn't be for a couple of centuries later.

 

[Citizen X]

I asked you before.

And I told you before ?

I give you my word I'll answer any and all of your questions to best of my knowledge and ability BUT ONLY after you answer mine

 

[Citizen X]

Written by another leader of your cult?

???? I was requoting the Quran from Whitehorse's post, you calling that written by a cult reader?

 

[Shimaz]

Can you point out where in the Quran it says we have to follow hadith. Something that wasn't even invented yet and wouldn't be for a couple of centuries later.

A self proclaimed muslim who needs to be taught ABC and claims to be sole follower of Quran. As i said and has fallen on deaf ears, Hadith and Sunnah were collected but to you cultists it's all "same difference", man made vs man collected lol.

Suah Nisa:

Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority;

Surah Baqrah:

Similarly (to complete My Blessings on you) We have sent among you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) of your own, reciting to you Our Verses (the Quran) and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book (the Quran) and the Hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Islamic laws and Fiqh - jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know.

Go on and distort it now in your enlightened genius.

 

[Shimaz]

???? I was requoting the Quran from Whitehorse's post, you calling that written by a cult reader?

Your reply was mistakenly added. Ignore the reply. It's only to the one who "copied and pasted" it here.

 

[Shimaz]

I would love to know since traditional salah of 1400 years practiced by 2 billion muslims is invalid to enlightened self proclaimed "quranists", how do they pray their salah in light of Quran they claim to follow.

 

[Citizen X]

A self proclaimed muslim who needs to be taught ABC and claims to be sole follower of Quran. As i said and has fallen on deaf ears, Hadith and Sunnah were collected but to you cultists it's all "same difference", man made vs man collected lol.

Suah Nisa:

Believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those from among you who are invested with authority;

Surah Baqrah:

Similarly (to complete My Blessings on you) We have sent among you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) of your own, reciting to you Our Verses (the Quran) and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book (the Quran) and the Hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Islamic laws and Fiqh - jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know.

Go on and distort it now in your enlightened genius.

Hmmm.... I don't see anything about the "hadith" in here. The only hadith the Quran ever talks about is the hadith of Allah. The hadith you talk about wasnt even invented yet.

And you have added your own spice here to the word Hikmah in brackets.

 

[Citizen X]

I would love to know since traditional salah of 1400 years practiced by 2 billion muslims is invalid to enlightened self proclaimed "quranists", how do they pray their salah in light of Quran they claim to follow.

That's a very weak argument, the number of Christians out number Muslims and Christianity is 600 years older than Islam, so then according to your logic they must be right! After all how can 2.2 billion followers following Christianity for 2000+ years be wrong!

 

[Citizen X]

Hmmm.... I don't see anything about the "hadith" in here. The only hadith the Quran ever talks about is the hadith of Allah. The hadith you talk about wasnt even invented yet.

And you have added your own spice here to the word Hikmah in brackets.

Also if you don't mind, can I ask you a very very very tiny question. It should be public knowledge and even a kid should know this and the answer could not exceed more than 3 or 4 words max.

 

[Shimaz]

That's a very weak argument, the number of Christians out number Muslims and Christianity is 600 years older than Islam, so then according to your logic they must be right! After all how can 2.2 billion followers following Christianity for 2000+ years be wrong!

Lol of course now it's a weak argument because coming up with an answer will take consultation with higher cultists. lol.
The Quran, preserved by Allah himself for 1400 years, itself orders Salah. So if you do not accept that in your enlightenment, tell us how you do salah?
The Bible has no such preservation.

Oops. Time to ring up your higher ups.

 

[Shimaz]

Hmmm.... I don't see anything about the "hadith" in here. The only hadith the Quran ever talks about is the hadith of Allah. The hadith you talk about wasnt even invented yet.

And you have added your own spice here to the word Hikmah in brackets.

Told you. Go on and distort it now. Such a predictable cultist.

We know Quran itself just like hadith, is spoken words by prophet Muhammad SAW which was then memorized or written down by his companions. The process was exaclty same but to a cultist one is acceptable other is not.

 

[Citizen X]

Lol of course now it's a weak argument because coming up with an answer will take consultation with higher cultists. lol.

This is the same argument the kuffar gave to the Prophet when asked to accept Islam, that how can we abandon the tradition, culture and religion of our forefathers.

The Quran, preserved by Allah himself for 1400 years, itself orders Salah. So if you do not accept that in your enlightenment, tell us how you do salah?

I hate to keep repeating myself but I'm left with no choice.

I give you my word I'll answer any and all of your questions to best of my knowledge and ability BUT ONLY after you answer mine

The Quran, preserved by Allah himself for 1400 years...The Bible has no such preservation.

Yeah try convincing a Christian with that argument. Or a Jew about his scripture or a Hindu about his scripture or a sikh with his scripture. We are just looking at your logic of something is right just because the number of followers and how old it is.

 

[Citizen X]

Told you. Go on and distort it now. Such a predictable cultist.

Are you kidding me? You are the one who added brackets and added what you wanted to the word hikmah to mean while I did no such thing, yet I'm the one you are accusing of distorting? I would suggest look up the word irony and the phrase self projection.

We know Quran itself just like hadith,

What! ? You really need to be more careful and selective in your choice of words.

is spoken words by prophet Muhammad SAW which was then memorized or written down by his companions

Like I said you really need to go do some learning, studying and reading if you really believe that.
And let me save us some time, so before you ask me to tell you the difference, my answer will be exactly the same as last time and in fact pretty much the same on all your queries as it has been.

 

[WHAT]

Believing in Quran, Sunnah, Hadith and basic pillars of Islam, life after death, angles, hell and heaven, is part of of definition of a muslim brought by prophet Muhammad SAW.

I asked you before. Please enlighten 1.9 billion muslims of you reinvented definition of a muslim. May be you have a specially crafted definition of a muslim that you are working on, one that includes rejection of basic pillars of islam as completely acceptable, and rejecting hadith and sunnah blindly is a basic pillar of it but still calling oneself as muslim.

Do let us know when you have perfected it.

seedhi c baat hy, you take out Sunnah and Hadith, phir to every thing is easy , namaz ke tension khatam, one of the guy have no idea of wadu ,can you believe that, since wadu is not in Quran so he don't know that Namaz cannot be done without wazu or wadu how ever you spell it,
2nd masjid for him is just get together place which i partially agree, because we made masjid for Prayers only however Masjid is supposed to be an institution where everyone can pray meet and greet and discuss issues and solutions

anyways i can go on and on but like I said if you have truthfulness in your heart and actually looking for guidance Allah will not let you go unguided, but if someone is working on an agenda than its their own loss

 

[Shimaz]

What! ? You really need to be more careful and selective in your choice of words.

Or did you think Quran just dropped in a book form from sky ? Is that one of your beliefs?

 

[Shimaz]

seedhi c baat hy, you take out Sunnah and Hadith, phir to every thing is easy , namaz ke tension khatam, one of the guy have no idea of wadu ,can you believe that, since wadu is not in Quran so he don't know that Namaz cannot be done without wazu or wadu how ever you spell it,
2nd masjid for him is just get together place which i partially agree, because we made masjid for Prayers only however Masjid is supposed to be an institution where everyone can pray meet and greet and discuss issues and solutions

anyways i can go on and on but like I said if you have truthfulness in your heart and actually looking for guidance Allah will not let you go unguided, but if someone is working on an agenda than its their own loss

This cult is an invention of so called muslims who were failing to keep up with the basic pillars of Islam. Both of these specimen on this thread openly reject concept of Salah, zakat and other pillars taught by the prophet and practiced by the sahaba through recorded history itself.

Hence an easy way was carved out to adopt a downgraded form of agnosticism to satisfy their parents of the shock and also keep themselves blissed. Till now i have not received the alternative definition of muslim by either one of them claiming to be quranists but failing even on that standard by openly rejecting basic islam conceptually.

It's understandable to some extent if someone practically falls short of doing salah , zakat etc but conceptually accepts it. Here the case is different since rejecting of Sunnah is done with preconceived mindset of distorting islam.

The funny thing is they stopped answering any more questions because to hide one lie you must create a dozen more and they just keep getting exposed. They started out with blindly and comprehensvely rejecting sunnah and hadith but eventually ended up rejecting salah even with no answer how alternative salah is performed. Now they're just gona go round and round trying to prove how they represent the real enlightened islam with no sunnah, hadith, or basic pillars of islam in it, but can even man up to come up with that in a definition.

It's worse than talking to an atheist or a christian, or a wall for that matter, because at least they know what they are up to with some basic principles laid down. Here's it's a complete confusion and on-the-go distortion as they get exposed, come up with new distortions.

 

[Citizen X]

Or did you think Quran just dropped in a book form from sky ? Is that one of your beliefs?

Another great dodge by the one and only about everything posting and then cherry picking only one easy point, but can only go into great length and detail with co member of his choir.

 

[Shimaz]

Or did you think Quran just dropped in a book form from sky ? Is that one of your beliefs?

He probably thinks Quran was given to Muhammad SAW in a proper book form, hence it is not collected similar to Hadith.

 

[Citizen X]

He probably thinks Quran was given to Muhammad SAW in a proper book form, hence it is not collected similar to Hadith.

"He" probably thinks hadith was written down in PDF format, saved on a USB and then given to imam fulan and dhumkan centuries later who later then uploaded them to his website.

See like I said before I can play these games too. ?