Wake up Pak
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6:116 If you were to obey most of those on earth, they would divert you from God's path. They follow nothing but assumptions, and they only conjecture
The cult of "Quranists" prophet SAW warned us about
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Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Answer?
Wake up Pak
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25:44 Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way
Citizen X
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I'm cool as a fish in a pool, didn't you see the smiley face in my previous post? You're the one firing off one post after another. I'm not even halfway done when I get two more notifications from you.
Hence I decided to slow the pace and let you do the talking for a change and hear your thoughts about the questions asked.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Ask the other one if his definition of Islam is same as yours or is it something completely freshly "man made"?
I asked him if he believes in doing Salah, Zakat, and Ramadan - basics of Islam laid down in quran itself. No answer. Any guesses what kind of muslim he would be? Beats me.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
HENCE PROVEN.
SELF CLAIMED QURANISTS ARE NOT EVEN QURANISTS AS THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE.
STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS CULT ACTUALLY IS IN REALITY.
MAJOR BELIEFS:
1. REJECTS HADITH COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING OF ITS PROCESS.
2. REJECTS SUNNAH WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING OF ITS PROCESS.
3. APPARENTLY ACCEPT QURAN BUT WHATEVER FITS THE NEED, FOR EXAMPLE, CLAIMS TO FOLLOW QURAN BUT REJECT CONCEPT OF SALAH.
4. QURAN VS. HADITH COLLECTION IS EXACTLY SAME BUT APPARENTLY THE CULT ACCEPTS QURAN BUT REJECT HADITH AND CALL IT MAN MADE.
STILL CALL THEM PLAIN AND SIMPLE "MUSLIMS".
HMM.
SELF CLAIMED QURANISTS ARE NOT EVEN QURANISTS AS THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE.
STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS CULT ACTUALLY IS IN REALITY.
MAJOR BELIEFS:
1. REJECTS HADITH COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING OF ITS PROCESS.
2. REJECTS SUNNAH WITHOUT ANY EXCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING OF ITS PROCESS.
3. APPARENTLY ACCEPT QURAN BUT WHATEVER FITS THE NEED, FOR EXAMPLE, CLAIMS TO FOLLOW QURAN BUT REJECT CONCEPT OF SALAH.
4. QURAN VS. HADITH COLLECTION IS EXACTLY SAME BUT APPARENTLY THE CULT ACCEPTS QURAN BUT REJECT HADITH AND CALL IT MAN MADE.
STILL CALL THEM PLAIN AND SIMPLE "MUSLIMS".
HMM.
Citizen X
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I know wake up for a very long time. I don't need to ask him anything.
So how are we coming along on those answers? Got anything for me yet? ?
Citizen X
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Ah I see back to playing games than actually answering any questions.
P.S : Psssst! I think you caps lock key is broken.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Back again? I know how this will end again.
i reject salah
i reject hadith sunnah completely
But i am a plain simple muslim because i follow Quran.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
It doesn't matter. He won't answer after seeing how you got exposed. Don't bother.
Citizen X
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I would ask you how those two things are the main criteria as decided by you for one to be considered Muslim in your eyes but since you guys are never in in the habit of answering question, simply because you don't have any answers so I won't ?
LOL, exposed! Man the only person who as predicted got exposed was you, you don't have a single answer to any question so you keep jumping from one goal post to another. Its nothing new, this is how you people always behave.
Maybe one day I will come across one of you, who actually knows a thing or two, has actually read a decent amount of hadith and knows something about it and can actually have a two way conversation civilized conversation.
You lot the self proclaimed biggest blind defenders of hadith and who make the most noise ironically always know very little about it lol
Yes, seems like you love to make unilateral bold declarations, earlier I showed you, two can play that game.?
P.S : I still stand by my promise. If you ever find the courage to take up those questions. I know you won't and will just tuck your tail between your legs and quietly fade away into the night.
i agree with you and look what Allah says in Quran
Quran 3:7
He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive.1 Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.
check the highlighted part, Allah himself said some verses are "elusive" متشابہات
they are basically misguiding themselves, Allah guides the truthseeker Himself,
No matter what they do Allah's promise will be fulfilled and Islam will spread its just who wants to take part who who wants to be part of fitna like thise parvaizi or Quranist type
Citizen X
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Can't agree with you more even if I wanted to.
One has just gotta read the book "“We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason."
No where does it say We believe in this Quran it is all from our lord and books which will be written centuries later. Which will be from men. Because if Allah had wanted us to, he would have mentioned it.
You just brought a fabulous end to this very one sided debate, if you could call it that.
Thank you Sir.
Wake up Pak
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If the verses of the Quran say it is complete and detailed, then obviously, there is no traditional Salah (namaz) in the Quran. This basic concept wouldn't sit well with an anti-Quranist cultist.
If you are still questioning, then you are challenging Allah (SWT)
Wake up Pak
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Today the Muslim World is in the depth of darkness and ignorance. The people who were supposed to be the torchbearers of learning and knowledge are themselves devoid of any enlightenment. They do recognize this, and it only increases their sense of inferiority. To “heal” this inferiority complex, scholars and leaders point fingers at others for their own shortcomings. They blame the West and the “Non-believers” for the present state of the Muslims. When oppression and lack of tolerance in the Muslim World are pointed out to them, they immediately point either to their glorious past or to the oppression in the Western World, forgetting the fact that the Western World is not our teacher and that pointing out other people’s faults does not rectify one’s own shortcomings.
Muslim scholars in particular, and the Muslim masses in general, are very reluctant to review and revise their own understandings of the Message of Islam. The first step in an individual’s intellectual and spiritual growth is to look at himself critically and be ready to change his “accepted facts” in the face of the evidence presented. The willingness to do this has been absent from the Muslim psyche, which is why most Muslims refuse even to consider the possibility that perhaps what their forefathers or their scholars told them might not be correct.
It is assumed that the people reading this work do believe in the Qur'an as the revealed Word of Allah. In what follows, I have tried to show that the Qur’an should be accepted as the ultimate authority on all religious matters. It is through this Revelation alone that Allah taught the Prophet, who then recited it to the people. So to follow the “Sunnah” of the Messenger himself, one must rely on the Qur’an alone.
It is my belief that on the day the Muslims realize that the Sunnah of the Messenger is to follow the Qur’an in every religious matter; on the day when the Muslim World breaks the shackles of tradition and formulas and starts to view the Book of Allah as the Guidance-giving Light for all times and ages, on that day will begin the Muslim Renaissance. It is only through the Qur’an that the Muslims will be able to come out of the endless pit of darkness and ignorance, that many of them currently inhabit.
Today the Muslim World is in the depth of darkness and ignorance. The people who were supposed to be the torchbearers of learning and knowledge are themselves devoid of any enlightenment. They do recognize this, and it only increases their sense of inferiority. To “heal” this inferiority complex, scholars and leaders point fingers at others for their own shortcomings. They blame the West and the “Non-believers” for the present state of the Muslims. When oppression and lack of tolerance in the Muslim World are pointed out to them, they immediately point either to their glorious past or to the oppression in the Western World, forgetting the fact that the Western World is not our teacher and that pointing out other people’s faults does not rectify one’s own shortcomings.
Muslim scholars in particular, and the Muslim masses in general, are very reluctant to review and revise their own understandings of the Message of Islam. The first step in an individual’s intellectual and spiritual growth is to look at himself critically and be ready to change his “accepted facts” in the face of the evidence presented. The willingness to do this has been absent from the Muslim psyche, which is why most Muslims refuse even to consider the possibility that perhaps what their forefathers or their scholars told them might not be correct.
It is assumed that the people reading this work do believe in the Qur'an as the revealed Word of Allah. In what follows, I have tried to show that the Qur’an should be accepted as the ultimate authority on all religious matters. It is through this Revelation alone that Allah taught the Prophet, who then recited it to the people. So to follow the “Sunnah” of the Messenger himself, one must rely on the Qur’an alone.
It is my belief that on the day the Muslims realize that the Sunnah of the Messenger is to follow the Qur’an in every religious matter; on the day when the Muslim World breaks the shackles of tradition and formulas and starts to view the Book of Allah as the Guidance-giving Light for all times and ages, on that day will begin the Muslim Renaissance. It is only through the Qur’an that the Muslims will be able to come out of the endless pit of darkness and ignorance, that many of them currently inhabit.
Wake up Pak
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Many mullahs can recite the Quran perfectly from memory, and all are fond of using Arabic phrases however, any useful understanding of the message is very poor.
The Quran's practical wisdom for universal welfare and progress has
instead been transformed into mantras, rituals, and traditions.
The Quran's practical wisdom for universal welfare and progress has
instead been transformed into mantras, rituals, and traditions.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Believing in Quran, Sunnah, Hadith and basic pillars of Islam, life after death, angles, hell and heaven, is part of of definition of a muslim brought by prophet Muhammad SAW.
I asked you before. Please enlighten 1.9 billion muslims of you reinvented definition of a muslim. May be you have a specially crafted definition of a muslim that you are working on, one that includes rejection of basic pillars of islam as completely acceptable, and rejecting hadith and sunnah blindly is a basic pillar of it but still calling oneself as muslim.
Do let us know when you have perfected it.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Perfectly explained from the Quran itself.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
Written by another leader of your cult?
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
WhiteHorse There you can see how they reject concept of Salah (and Zakat) but call themselves muslims, even though Quran has pressed upon Salah so many times.
"Surely the Salah at fixed hours (of the day and night) has been enjoined upon the believers." (Quran 4:103).
2:43 And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience].
5:6 O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles.
