Talaash 22nd February 2012 - Our Education System
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Unicorn
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I think everyone is devoting their fair share on this subject in alignment with the government. They spend less than two percent on education and you will see less than 2 percent paying attention to this subject. There are far more important things to look after(serious)
Very interesting program.
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
and my fellow members on this forum complain that why our people don't have good sense of decisions in politics and the result of that is a complete corrupt system we are living in but no one including these who point fingures would even bother to watch these kind of programmes.
dirty language in programmes is something they would prefer to watch, (serious)
dirty language in programmes is something they would prefer to watch, (serious)
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
who is this guy? is he in that band? or just an anchor?
Of all th programmes i have seen so far on education this was the best, so welldone!
Of all th programmes i have seen so far on education this was the best, so welldone!
InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
so the main thing is One syllabus for all with the freedom to extand things further in any given field and any given style of teaching with the set RULES and CODE OF CONDUCT.
one syllabus should not mean that a ratta raatia WORD TO WORD SYLLABUS, it should be used as a guidlines within certain rules, there should be a degree of freedom for people to bring in new and INNOVATIVE THINGS and be Iqbal's 'sitarun pey jo daltey hein kumand'(sartaj aziz mentioned that a bit in terms of provinces but nothing else, nobody else mentioned that), investigative education is the key.
The worst nightmare of my school and college was when I used to get told off by teachers for ASKING QUESTIONS, they used to make me feel ashamed and I used to be ashamed for being such a brat, untill I came here and saw this freedom to ask questions (untill i get told sometimes very humbly or in secrete gestures that there are other people too who need to speak),
So the biggest problems are perhaps our teachers (I'm not saying its all their fault)they need training to HANDLE THAT SORT OF COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT, and this is ofcourse the hardest way in teaching but the most effective one as proved by all the latest and NOt so latest researchers.
we need to develop that culture in our society and media should glamorise this issue as well as they do with so many orther spicy masala dar things.
In this the respect for teachers should not be compromised but at the same time teacher should not be a symbol of FEAR or TERROR.
One thing they missed while talking about curriculum and text books, why text books only source of knowledge? taken as word to word,
I'm sure the way techonology is soooo common in pakistan why no one talked about collaborating technology in all sort of knowledge and ofcourse it is way beyond just using internet, its way beyond that and relying on text books is out-dated, incomplete, restrictive and most of all EXPENSIVE, our educationists should think about that, the speed we need to develope our education system its a MUST!
and instead of giving out laptops to already majority privilaged (talented or not talented) our govt could have given IT facilities to millions of students with the same money, this money could have helped a lot to go a long way in this. What a shame on this misuse.
one syllabus should not mean that a ratta raatia WORD TO WORD SYLLABUS, it should be used as a guidlines within certain rules, there should be a degree of freedom for people to bring in new and INNOVATIVE THINGS and be Iqbal's 'sitarun pey jo daltey hein kumand'(sartaj aziz mentioned that a bit in terms of provinces but nothing else, nobody else mentioned that), investigative education is the key.
The worst nightmare of my school and college was when I used to get told off by teachers for ASKING QUESTIONS, they used to make me feel ashamed and I used to be ashamed for being such a brat, untill I came here and saw this freedom to ask questions (untill i get told sometimes very humbly or in secrete gestures that there are other people too who need to speak),
So the biggest problems are perhaps our teachers (I'm not saying its all their fault)they need training to HANDLE THAT SORT OF COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT, and this is ofcourse the hardest way in teaching but the most effective one as proved by all the latest and NOt so latest researchers.
we need to develop that culture in our society and media should glamorise this issue as well as they do with so many orther spicy masala dar things.
In this the respect for teachers should not be compromised but at the same time teacher should not be a symbol of FEAR or TERROR.
One thing they missed while talking about curriculum and text books, why text books only source of knowledge? taken as word to word,
I'm sure the way techonology is soooo common in pakistan why no one talked about collaborating technology in all sort of knowledge and ofcourse it is way beyond just using internet, its way beyond that and relying on text books is out-dated, incomplete, restrictive and most of all EXPENSIVE, our educationists should think about that, the speed we need to develope our education system its a MUST!
and instead of giving out laptops to already majority privilaged (talented or not talented) our govt could have given IT facilities to millions of students with the same money, this money could have helped a lot to go a long way in this. What a shame on this misuse.
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InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
atleast media on name of education shows in no more talking about KHASTA HAAL buildings, as it was happening untill now.
so there is little improvement.
But media itself need to investigate better so that people know more about them and take more interest.
If media can make Valentine so common, a very foreign culture(regardless its good or bad), then why not education, education is our heritage, it should be on the top of all other type of cultures.
I liked it very much when someone said that for any democracy we need two must things:
One Law system for all.
One education system for all.
this is why we are failing because we don't have both!
(contrary to what some say for democracy Benazir bhutto shaheed and Nawaz shareef ***** the ghazi are ingredients, No they are SO NOT!)
so there is little improvement.
But media itself need to investigate better so that people know more about them and take more interest.
If media can make Valentine so common, a very foreign culture(regardless its good or bad), then why not education, education is our heritage, it should be on the top of all other type of cultures.
I liked it very much when someone said that for any democracy we need two must things:
One Law system for all.
One education system for all.
this is why we are failing because we don't have both!
(contrary to what some say for democracy Benazir bhutto shaheed and Nawaz shareef ***** the ghazi are ingredients, No they are SO NOT!)
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InsafianPTI
Minister (2k+ posts)
I think if the title was 'shaikh rasheed' this would have been the super hit programme.
I think media should do something like this 'education sheeda talli ki zubani' and maybe put a small little clip of him too somewhere in the programme.(he is easily available all the time, so he can do that much)
I think media should do something like this 'education sheeda talli ki zubani' and maybe put a small little clip of him too somewhere in the programme.(he is easily available all the time, so he can do that much)
The issue centres around the 'substance' of the education provided and not the disparity in the method of delivery or the medium of delivery.
A single method of delivery can only exist (theoretically) in a commune base society. Communism showed that such a method is unfeasible and ultimately prone to systemic rot. In a country dominated by muslim thought, a singular method of delivery is unfeasible, unwanted and incorrect. Having different delivery systems based on financial disparity of the people is not something to avoid, but to regulate.
As for the medium of delivery, that should be localised. Only colonies and perpetual slaves retain foreign mediums of education, free people do not. English, Mandarin and French have a place of prominence within international commerce. Spanish, German, Russian and Portuguese have an influence as well. With a population of 40 million under the age of 19 a fair Pakistan should have groups of students who can converse in all of these languages. Persian, Arabic, Turkish and Malay should be in larger proportions too. However these languages should be taught as "additional" languages and not the 'medium' of education. (Japan, Germany, France, China, Turkey etc too many examples to quote).
Now to the 'substance' aspect i.e. This is a far more important matter and is absolutely essential to overhaul in Pakistan. This would mean a singular and mandatory syllabus for the basic, primary, secondary and high school education. Conditions upon public sector employment and representation can be placed based upon such a syllabus. (Example, no government employee or representative will be accepted after 202x unless they have studied under this syllabus).
A comparatively small amount of intellectuals can achieve this task and an even smaller number of peer elected members can maintain it. Pakistans higher academic institutions and diaspora have the expertise required.
A single method of delivery can only exist (theoretically) in a commune base society. Communism showed that such a method is unfeasible and ultimately prone to systemic rot. In a country dominated by muslim thought, a singular method of delivery is unfeasible, unwanted and incorrect. Having different delivery systems based on financial disparity of the people is not something to avoid, but to regulate.
As for the medium of delivery, that should be localised. Only colonies and perpetual slaves retain foreign mediums of education, free people do not. English, Mandarin and French have a place of prominence within international commerce. Spanish, German, Russian and Portuguese have an influence as well. With a population of 40 million under the age of 19 a fair Pakistan should have groups of students who can converse in all of these languages. Persian, Arabic, Turkish and Malay should be in larger proportions too. However these languages should be taught as "additional" languages and not the 'medium' of education. (Japan, Germany, France, China, Turkey etc too many examples to quote).
Now to the 'substance' aspect i.e. This is a far more important matter and is absolutely essential to overhaul in Pakistan. This would mean a singular and mandatory syllabus for the basic, primary, secondary and high school education. Conditions upon public sector employment and representation can be placed based upon such a syllabus. (Example, no government employee or representative will be accepted after 202x unless they have studied under this syllabus).
A comparatively small amount of intellectuals can achieve this task and an even smaller number of peer elected members can maintain it. Pakistans higher academic institutions and diaspora have the expertise required.
