Swiss vote on move to ban new minarets

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
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GENEVA Swiss voters are deciding in a referendum Sunday whether to accept a ban on the construction of minarets, which right-wing parties regard as symbols of militant Islam.

The move led by the Swiss People's Party, which has campaigned in previous years against immigrants has stirred fears of boycotts and violent reactions from Muslim countries.

Polls indicate growing support for the proposal, but doubt remains about whether it will pass. The seven-member Cabinet that heads the Swiss government has spoken out strongly against the initiative.

Muslims have been keeping a low profile so far. Still, the Geneva Mosque was vandalized Thursday when someone threw a pot of pink paint at the entrance.

Earlier this month, a vehicle with a loudspeaker drove through the area imitating a muezzin's call to prayer, and vandals damaged a mosaic when they threw cobble stones at the building.

Business leaders say a ban on minarets, the distinctive spires attached to mosques, would be disastrous for the Swiss economy because it could offend wealthy Muslims who bank in Switzerland, buy the country's luxury goods and visit its resorts.

The vote taps into the anxieties about Muslims that have been rippling through Europe in recent years, ranging from French fears of women in body veils to Dutch alarm over the murder by a Muslim fanatic of a filmmaker who made a documentary that criticized Islam.

Local officials and rights defenders have objected to the campaign posters, which show minarets rising like missiles from the Swiss flag next to a fully veiled woman.

Minarets are typically built next to mosques for religious leaders to call the faithful to prayer, but they are not used for that in Switzerland. The four minarets already attached to mosques in the country will remain even if the referendum passes.

Muslims make up about 6 percent of Switzerland's 7.5 million population, many of them refugees from the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s. Fewer than 13 percent practice their religion, the government says.

A survey by the respected polling institute gfs.bern last week indicated that 53 percent of voters oppose the initiative, although support for it has grown by 3 percentage points to 37 percent since last month. Typically in Switzerland the margins on such votes narrow as balloting nears. Ten percent of the 1,213 people polled were undecided. The survey had an error margin of 2.9 percent.
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
---Yet they're in full cry spreading freedom in the arab countries when infact their own backyards need it so badly :roll:
 

foqia khan

MPA (400+ posts)
they r acting like losers n inshallah they will lose,every time their such actions bring their own people to the truth of Islam n help waking up the muslims all around.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Swiss voters back ban on minarets

So much for the freedom of expression and tolerance in the west.

What I find of special interest is the myopic view of the west. Swiss people fail to recognize the favour they are doing to the Islamists who will use this referendum to recruit people and gain sympathy in the islamic community, globally.

On a separate note, the double standards of the measure of corruption in the global community bother me. Switzerland was the 5th best country in the Corruption Perception Index of 2009. Switzerland?!!!!!!!. Are we all not aware of swiss bank accounts of the corrupt people in the world? Apparently, the encouragement by the government and the society to raise and maintain illegal funds was not used as a criterion to measure the corruption perception in the country. How convenient of the people who measured the corruption perception.

Anyhow, below is the article from the BBC covering the final result of the Swiss referendum banning the minarets.

Can someone please post a list of Swiss products? I think that we should start boycotting Swiss items.


Swiss voters back ban on minarets

Swiss voters have supported a referendum proposal to ban the building of minarets, official results show.

More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban.

The proposal had been put forward by the Swiss People's Party, (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which says minarets are a sign of Islamisation.

The government opposed the ban, saying it would harm Switzerland's image, particularly in the Muslim world.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes, in Bern, says the surprise result is very bad news for the Swiss government which also fears unrest among the Muslim community.

Our correspondent says voters worried about rising immigration - and with it the rise of Islam - have ignored the government's advice.

"The Federal Council (government) respects this decision. Consequently the construction of new minarets in Switzerland is no longer permitted," said the government in a statement, quoted by the AFP news agency.


This will cause major problems because during this campaign in the last two weeks different mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland

Tamir Hadjipolu
Zurich's Association of Muslim Organisations


Minaret vote: Your views
Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said the result reflected fear of Islamic fundamentalism.

"These concerns have to be taken seriously. However, the Federal Council takes the view that a ban on the construction of new minarets is not a feasible means of countering extremist tendencies," she said.

She sought to reassure Swiss Muslims, saying the decision was "not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture".

Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets.

After Christianity, Islam is the most widespread religion in Switzerland, but it remains relatively hidden.

There are unofficial Muslim prayer rooms, and planning applications for new minarets are almost always refused.

Supporters of a ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.

But others say the referendum campaign incited hatred. On Thursday the Geneva mosque was vandalised for the third time during the campaign, according to local media.

Before the vote, Amnesty International warned that the ban would violate Switzerland's obligations to freedom of religious expression.

'Political symbol'

The president of Zurich's Association of Muslim Organisations, Tamir Hadjipolu, told the BBC that if the ban was implemented, Switzerland's Muslim community would live in fear.

"This will cause major problems because during this campaign in the last two weeks different mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland.

"So with the campaign... the Islamaphobia has increased very intensively."

Sunday's referendum was held after the People's party collected 100,000 signatures from eligible voters within 18 months calling for a vote.

SVP member of parliament Ulrich Schluer said the campaign had helped integration by encouraging debate. He rejected the charge of discrimination.

In recent years many countries in Europe have been debating their relationship with Islam, and how best to integrate their Muslim populations.

France focused on the headscarf, while in Germany there was controversy over plans to build one of Europe's largest mosques in Cologne.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385069.stm
 

Waffen SS

Banned
This is a non-issue. It is their country, their law and their way of life.

Agar muslims ko problem hai to wo apnay mulkon mein waapas aa jaain.

Pakistanis are uncomfortable with this while they are crazy to get visas to these countries. Munaafiqat chor dein. Zindagee aasan ho jai gee.

I am not concerned with because I have no intention to migrate to Switzerland unlike many of my fellow countrymen.
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
Waffen you are so immature when you mentioned 'agar wapis ana hay tu wapis aa jayen' it's not about that it's about religous freedom. Such things should be stopped and should be protested. There's a bigger picture to it.
 

Waffen SS

Banned
digitalzygot said:
Waffen you are so immature when you mentioned 'agar wapis ana hay tu wapis aa jayen' it's not about that it's about religous freedom. Such things should be stopped and should be protested. There's a bigger picture to it.

For your kind information, there is no such thing as RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. No religion allows another religon to prosper. This is natural.

We should stop being insecure about our faith and stop hypocricy. Childish attitude to aap ka hai. Mujhay musalmaan hotay hoay bhee koi problem naheen hai kionkay mein munafiqat nahein karta.

Switzerland jana band kar dein. That is enough.
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
@ waffle :oops:



--If only you could figure out what "Religious freedom" means?and they (West) take pride in being torchbearers of it :oops: ..Stifling it contradicts their own standing and such dubious nature is bothersome.


--What about the local muslim population??who were born and bred there for generations and reverted to Islam :| your myopic and irrational view does NOT give them the right to practice their faith freely living in their own country :roll:
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
Taul he's too immature to think about that..... can't debate with such kind of people. Their argument finishes at 'oh if you/others have problem with that why don't they stop going there' it's not about that you dozy tart.....
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
I believe this would work as previous...

as this is going to incite curiosity amongst the common people...

and Inshallah we will see a rise in hte number of people who would be accepting Islam in Switzerland and Europe overall.........
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We have to look at things from Justice Point of View.

1. Firstly, freedom of Speech, freedom of Religion is basic human Right. We do point fingers towards West, but in our own Islamic Countries we are way behind giving equal rights to the minorities.
Actually, we kill any Person who want to convert from Islam in name of Freedom of Religion. (I did long discussion on this Subject and proved that the Killing of Murtad in Islam was related only to situation of that time just like the slavery. And today slavery in Islam has been vanished, so as the killing of Murtad. We all are living under International Treaties according to which we should not kill any who converts from Islam.... same as Christians are not killed for becoming Muslims in Western Countries)

2. What Majority of People of Switzerland did in present Referendum, it was wrong.
(Good and Bad people are every where in every Society, just like we have religious fanatics in form of Taliban and their supporters).
Things become worst only when these Evil forces become in Majority and they overcome the good forces.


3. The Secular West didn't hate Islam in the beginning.
But every Action has a Reaction.

The Religious Fanatics of our side thought that they could do any thing and there would be no Reaction upon their cruel interpretations of Islam and imposing their Ideas upon others.
Even I (as being Muslim) myself fear these Religious Extremists and never feel easy while these people always try to impose their version of things upon others. And for the WESTERN people, they are just like nightmare.

Why West should not hate Muslims?


Now look at the following Images, and tell me why WEST should not hate the Muslims & Islam.

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Justice......
Allah says in Quran to do Justice even if you have to do it in favour of your enemy nation.

Justice..... could you ever allow any such Demonstration in Islamic Countries where they are abusing you, threatening you to attack upon you, abusing you system of living (i.e. Islam like Muslims are abusing their System which is sacred to them i.e. Freedom and democracy?)......

It is better we stop weeping and look are our Mistakes too. You could keep on crying upon Switzerland and Minarets, but if you are blind of what Extremist Fanatic Muslims are doing and you don't condemn them, then end result would always be this same hatred and your crying over Minarets is going to bring nothing to you.

So:

* 1st step is to condemn these Fanatic Islam, these Fanatic Muslims
* 2nd step is to condemn West for creating these Minarets problem.
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
So:

* 1st step is to condemn these Fanatic Islam,



--This is something of a shock,the ridiculous expression :o I believe your twisted thinking has led you to use this derogatory term regarding our beautiful religion of Islam and if you meant otherwise then be extremely careful while prefixing anything with Islam.
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
@Mehwish....

Have you noticed something....

almost everyone with "kill the infidels" type slogans ... have their face covered.....

Wonder WHY?

and the writings on all playcards are the same....smell something fishy???
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
taul said:
So:

* 1st step is to condemn these Fanatic Islam,



--This is something of a shock,the ridiculous expression :o I believe your twisted thinking has led you to use this derogatory term regarding our beautiful religion of Islam and if you meant otherwise then be extremely careful while prefixing anything with Islam.

Taul, you know it very well here were are not Talking about "Islam" but the fanatic Extremist Muslims and their version of Fanatic Islam. I don't know why you then diverted the discussion to this non-issue.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
sagaciouscorpion said:
@Mehwish....

Have you noticed something....

almost everyone with "kill the infidels" type slogans ... have their face covered.....

Wonder WHY?

and the writings on all playcards are the same....smell something fishy???

@sagaciouscorpion.....

Brother, I am afraid we could not hide our faces behind the lame excuses of such "Conspiracy Theories" that these photos are fake etc.

When 9/11 incident happened, there was only one Pakistani mosque in our City. There is a Pakistani Administrator of that Mosque who was living on SOCIAL for several years (SOZIAL means he didn't go to work, but Government give them every type of Money to meet their livings).

I was small at that time, but I still remember it very very well that Person was saying about that incident: "9/11..... Oh. This attack is very good, and I have only one objection upon it that those people (i.e. Muslim Terrorists) are already late. They should have made such attack some years ago and one attack is not enough but they should do many of them...... blah blah blah"

I could never forget his response. That was the time my hatred against these Fanatics started as for the first time their real face was revealed in front of me.
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
I never said that these fanatics are not found amongst us....

The fuel of the suicidal warfare... the bomber is always a young muslim boy who generally doesnt know much.... about Islam, about life, even about JIhad....all he knows that he has to go and blow himself up in a group of so called kafirs...



So you wont find conspiracy at the execution level... but the conspiracy is a bit higher in the levels... where the handlers are...

There is extremism in Europe, America and elsewhere...but the roots of extremism are being watered by the unfair policies... whether its gulf, afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine... or even Europe...


And conspiracy exists.....

Same goes with the pictures you posted...They are not very straight forward to believe... just like the flogging video.... I just raised two points...

If you want to believe everything as it is shown in the media...I cant help you....

At least I cant believe in every thing as it is shown...
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
mehwish_ali said:
Taul, you know it very well here were are not Talking about "Islam" but the fanatic Extremist Muslims and their version of Fanatic Islam. I don't know why you then diverted the discussion to this non-issue.



--Your repetition truly depicts how you have been taken for a ride by all the devilish hype created against our religion and it's people like you who further their diabolic case by not once recognizing and thinking rationally about it,how easily and carelessly you made it a non-issue? :shock:


--You seem to have seen the horrific scenes of 9/11 that were repeatedly broadcasted and shown since it happened in the world's biggest superpower every soul felt for it but truth is behind the curtains so much had been going on our poor Muslim brothers and sisters that gets no attention at all whatsoever and NO one dare raise their voice against these tortures,there isn't justification for tit for tat but atleast stand for truth when see injustices being done for decades on Muslims and every now and then something is plotted and strewn against Muslim nations.


--As far as Islam goes take it as it is and Not to appease anybody.If in Islam any thing exists it does exist and do NOT shy away from it.A lot of americans and even westerners themselves realize it's the interference by them that has caused all the Chaos and are completely against their evil and ill-planned policies that seems to have no end,it's good to see sense prevailing in them..
 
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Guest

Guest
Ahmadis are not allowed by 90% of Pakistani people to build their mosques in Pakistan!!!!! Start protesting from your own homeland. Switzerland is too far. Justice should be absolute, for everybody without any condition if not, then swiss are doing right.
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
@ ab



--Non-muslims are fully allowed to build their places of worship like churches,temples,gurdwara etc..But Qadiyanis have been suffering from identity crisis and once they found their identity and place of worship they'll be given full rights as Minorities to freely worship their "Qadiyanism or Mirzaism" :ugeek:
 
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Guest

Guest
taul said:
--Non-muslims are fully allowed to build their places of worship like churches,temples,gurdwara etc..But Qadiyanis have been suffering from identity crisis and once they found their identity and place of worship they'll be given full rights as Minorities to freely worship their "Qadiyanism or Mirzaism"

Pakistanis using "identity theft", swiss using "fear from political islam" weapons against minorities. I condemn both, because of same mentality, to harrass minorities.

Swiss are just thinking while pakistanis are already implementing this stupidity.

"I believe it is a game of power" who cares for basic human rights.
taul! Again!!! if you have any idea, what justice is! then start crying from your homeland. swiss are beyond your responsibility.
 

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