State Bank of Pakistan lost another $225 MILLION gambling in the Stock Market

AsifAmeer

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http://dawn.com/2012/11/18/sbp-moves-fail-to-check-rupee-fall/
SBP moves fail to check rupee fall
From the Newspaper | Shahid Iqbal | 14 hours ago


KARACHI, Nov 17: Currency experts have warned of brewing balance of payments crisis as State Bank of Pakistans efforts to lend support to falling rupee failed despite pumping dollars in massive amounts into the inter-bank market this week.


In the last five working days of this week the State Bank pumped nearly $200 to $225 million into the inter-bank market to check value erosion of local currency but it could hardly recover 40 to 50 paisa against the US dollar, said Atif Ahmed, a currency dealer.


He said the central bank sold dollars twice in the inter-bank market during the week to check the dollars rise, but the move proved temporary as the US dollar again started appreciating against the rupee.


Last week the dollar crossed all boundaries to set record at Rs96.30 which prompted the State Bank to halt the sharp rising trend of the greenback. The dollar was traded at Rs95.98 on Friday while it was traded at Rs95.65-70 after the injection of dollars by the SBP.


Market sources said demand for dollar was still high while at least three banks on behalf of the State Bank pumped dollars in the market to cool down the aggressive mood of the US currency. The price suddenly fell by nearly 50 paisa but the exchange rate again tilted in favour of the greenback.


Now the uncertainty is high. The rates are not sustainable for a longer period particularly in the wake of melting dollar reserves and heavy debt payments due in coming months, said Anwar Jamal, a leading currency dealer.


Currency dealers both in the inter-bank and open market said the latest dollar surge was also due to payment of another installment to the IMF this month.


When contacted the State Bank said the country would pay 258.4 million SDR (special drawing rights) that would be equal to around $400 million to the IMF on 23rd of this month.


The countrys foreign exchange reserves fell to $13.84 billion in week ended November 9, with the central banks reserves at just $9.24 billion and commercial banks at $4.6 billion.


Analysts said the dollar is gaining value due to numerous factors in the international market as well as against Pak rupee. One of the most important factors was the persistent debt and financial crisis in European Union which has weakened the euro, paving way for the dollar to gain.


Japanese yen have been under pressure because of weakness of its economy while Chinese are benefiting by keeping the low price of Yuan to boost their exports. These two factors also have help0ed strengthened the US dollar.


Pressure is also felt in open market as demand is high, supply is low and the price difference between the open and banks market has been increasing, said Malik Bostan, Chairman Exchange Companies Association of Pakistan.


However, he said the exchange companies were still depositing 80 per cent of their foreign currencies in the banks which mean consumer demand is not so high.


Currency dealers said economists have been predicting that by end of this fiscal year Pakistan could have less than $5 billion in its account, if the inflows through IMF or other donor agencies do not start during the year.


This is haunting for the currency dealers and encouraging hoarders to keep sitting on dollars for a good deal, said Anwar Jamal.

COMMENTS: Meh...
 

jeaybhutto

Senator (1k+ posts)
My dear sir, where does it say that SBP lost money in the stock market? Dear Sir, SBP like any other Central Bank in the world controls the monetary policy, it does not "invest" in the stock market!!!

No central bank in the world invests in the stock market!! My God
 

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
My dear sir, where does it say that SBP lost money in the stock market? Dear Sir, SBP like any other Central Bank in the world controls the monetary policy, it does not "invest" in the stock market!!!

No central bank in the world invests in the stock market!! My God

My dear Jiyalay bhai inter bank market ko asaan alfaaaz mein Foreign exchange market khety hayn (stock exchange ka part). and bumping dollars in inter market doesn't means investment. but it is exchange within the the dealers and different banks and comps/
 

Omrkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
End of this month dollar will be at 100. Once it crosses 100, everybody will want to have some. Further dep in PKR.106-110 by dec/jan2013
 

jeaybhutto

Senator (1k+ posts)
My dear Jiyalay bhai inter bank market ko asaan alfaaaz mein Foreign exchange market khety hayn (stock exchange ka part). and bumping dollars in inter market doesn't means investment. but it is exchange within the the dealers and different banks and comps/

Dear sir, I humbly state that I have been an Foreign Exchange dealer for 4 years, State Bank regularly conducts Swaps(buying/selling) transactions with all banks, not companies, only banks.
Depending on the price of dollar, State bank either buys rupees and sells dollars to the banks to ensure adequate supply of dollars in the system in an effort to maintain adequate supply...central banks around the world do it
This has no link to the stock market!! that is no link at all!
and sir, Foreign exchange market bilkul bhi, zara sa bhi stock market ka part naheen hai....! these are two separate markets, for you help

http://www.streetdirectory.com/trav...vs_stock_market___which_is_right_for_you.html
 
You were probably trying to say Money market, anyway they idea of controlling exchange rate is out dated, particularly with market intervention, it is very naive, even UK could not do it so forget about Pakistan. Although you can have some temporary gains by using interest rates instruments, but that hurts the currant account and you ends up in crowding out or Forex. So solution is still sustainable growth in production. :jazak:
 

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear sir, I humbly state that I have been an Foreign Exchange dealer for 4 years, State Bank regularly conducts Swaps(buying/selling) transactions with all banks, not companies, only banks.
Depending on the price of dollar, State bank either buys rupees and sells dollars to the banks to ensure adequate supply of dollars in the system in an effort to maintain adequate supply...central banks around the world do it
This has no link to the stock market!! that is no link at all!
and sir, Foreign exchange market bilkul bhi, zara sa bhi stock market ka part naheen hai....! these are two separate markets, for you help

http://www.streetdirectory.com/trav...vs_stock_market___which_is_right_for_you.html


Thanks For Info Barader, Business or trading ka bhuat shauq hay mager engineering line hay meri..

Ghalat bandey se panga lenay kay anjaam, baizty kharab honay ki soorat mein nikalta hay :(
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
My headline was more for the "general consumer"... the challenged who want 1 liner articles to explain them a country's monetary policy.

For the technically savy, this is shorting the dollar on leveraged position. SBP takes same actions in the Repo market using Open market operations (OMO) . But there's a diff b/w Rupee and $$. U see SBP cant print dollar....

Hope this suffices.
My dear sir, where does it say that SBP lost money in the stock market? Dear Sir, SBP like any other Central Bank in the world controls the monetary policy, it does not "invest" in the stock market!!!

No central bank in the world invests in the stock market!! My God

My dear Jiyalay bhai inter bank market ko asaan alfaaaz mein Foreign exchange market khety hayn (stock exchange ka part). and bumping dollars in inter market doesn't means investment. but it is exchange within the the dealers and different banks and comps/

You were probably trying to say Money market, anyway they idea of controlling exchange rate is out dated, particularly with market intervention, it is very naive, even UK could not do it so forget about Pakistan. Although you can have some temporary gains by using interest rates instruments, but that hurts the currant account and you ends up in crowding out or Forex. So solution is still sustainable growth in production. :jazak:
 

jeaybhutto

Senator (1k+ posts)
My headline was more for the "general consumer"... the challenged who want 1 liner articles to explain them a country's monetary policy.

For the technically savy, this is shorting the dollar on leveraged position. SBP takes same actions in the Repo market using Open market operations (OMO) . But there's a diff b/w Rupee and $$. U see SBP cant print dollar....

Hope this suffices.

Sir, of course SBP cannot print dollar, but this is not gambling in the stock market! I just felt that the headline was a bit misleading
 

itsnotme90

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think Title is wrong & its nothing to do with stock market . Asif bhai plz change Title of thread.

My dear sir, where does it say that SBP lost money in the stock market? Dear Sir, SBP like any other Central Bank in the world controls the monetary policy, it does not "invest" in the stock market!!!

No central bank in the world invests in the stock market!! My God

My dear Jiyalay bhai inter bank market ko asaan alfaaaz mein Foreign exchange market khety hayn (stock exchange ka part). and bumping dollars in inter market doesn't means investment. but it is exchange within the the dealers and different banks and comps/

You were probably trying to say Money market, anyway they idea of controlling exchange rate is out dated, particularly with market intervention, it is very naive, even UK could not do it so forget about Pakistan. Although you can have some temporary gains by using interest rates instruments, but that hurts the currant account and you ends up in crowding out or Forex. So solution is still sustainable growth in production. :jazak:

My headline was more for the "general consumer"... the challenged who want 1 liner articles to explain them a country's monetary policy.

For the technically savy, this is shorting the dollar on leveraged position. SBP takes same actions in the Repo market using Open market operations (OMO) . But there's a diff b/w Rupee and $$. U see SBP cant print dollar....

Hope this suffices.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Stock market - Maybe not. Gambling - It sure is!

See Gambling's definition is to BET ON AN UNCERTAIN Outcome. Or to act without knowledge. Lekin I dont think Gambling covers the sheer stupidity SBP is showing...

So yeah.. I am guilty of being subtle to SBP...
Sir, of course SBP cannot print dollar, but this is not gambling in the stock market! I just felt that the headline was a bit misleading

I think Title is wrong & its nothing to do with stock market . Asif bhai plz change Title of thread.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Stock market - Maybe not. Gambling - It sure is!

See Gambling's definition is to BET ON AN UNCERTAIN Outcome. Or to act without knowledge. Lekin I dont think Gambling covers the sheer stupidity SBP is showing...

So yeah.. I am guilty of being subtle to SBP...

Honkong Dollars or Chinese Yuan? If you had some spare rupees which one would you convert to.
 

khidr

MPA (400+ posts)
Forex (Foreign Exchange) is completely different than Stock Market. There's a certain amount of risk involved in all forms of investment activities. No business guarantees success or profit. Financial risk is an inherent part of business, gambling may not be the appropriate term for it.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
It depends who's asking. If its a Business owner importing stuff, I'd ask him to arrange USD and RMB.
If its individuals, I'd say buy dollars. and just hold on to them.
Honkong Dollars or Chinese Yuan? If you had some spare rupees which one would you convert to.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
like i said in my previous post, this headline was for the non-technical ppl.

If I had stated, "SBP lost $225 million foreign reserves trying to prop up Rupee in the Forex Market", most wouldnt even care.

SBP is not in the business of business. Its sole purpose is "Price Stability". I rest my case....
Forex (Foreign Exchange) is completely different than Stock Market. There's a certain amount of risk involved in all forms of investment activities. No business guarantees success or profit. Financial risk is an inherent part of business, gambling may not be the appropriate term for it.
 

jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dollar will rise to 105 in next 6 months and after elections will rise to 120 in next three months. Pakistanis better get ready for hyper inflation.
 

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