Stampede during stoning the satan , atleast 150 pilgrims martyred, 390 injured

[Spartacus]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

u think its easy to manage 2 million ppl at a time?? there are stampedes everywhere..even in europe where management is done very nicely, in concerts there are stampedes n ppl die... hajj management is the best possible.. baaqi ye log bhi janwaro ki tarha dhakey maartey hein...

Why are you impressed with EUROPE ?

STUPIDS are everywhere .
I myself survived one such incident in Germany in July 2010 .
I was just away less than 1KM where this incident happened.

This was also a BIG mistake and around 30 People died because of that mismanagement and incompetent of some stupids.

 

[Pak Falcon]

qeemay wala nan lay lo, qeemay wala nan, yehi nooni pooooooti'wario tumhari auqat hey, Allah kay azab say daro, is waqt bhi tum apni ghatia soch say agey nahi barh sakey, jahan tak Nawaz Shareef ki baat hey, yeh kambakht Pakitan per khud aik bohat bara azab hey, Allah is azab say jald qoum ki jan chorwaey.Ameen

lana.t P.otians par b aur Patwariyu par b jo kutu k tarha iqtedar keliye apas mein lartay hain. Aur ye naan bazar mein jakay bech lagta hai tere se koi nhi kharid ta isliye yaha par b shuru ho gya hai

 

[Pak Falcon]

is forum pr bry bry behuda or besherm bherway aa chuky hy, 1 bherwy ne kya chawl mari k PTI k bachy isko b Noon pr daal de gy, is bherwy ke ye chawl perh k mjy punjabi ke kahawat yad aa gye k "Chaddo Majj Thally Te Janda Sanday Thallay Ay"

Aur tu khud kiya hai? Definitely inhi PTI k luchay lafangu aur is qaum k ghatiya tareen naujawanu mein se hai isliye meri is baat par tere pichwaray mein itni aag lagi hai.

 

[Champion 01]

lana.t P.otians par b aur Patwariyu par b jo kutu k tarha iqtedar keliye apas mein lartay hain. Aur ye naan bazar mein jakay bech lagta hai tere se koi nhi kharid ta isliye yaha par b shuru ho gya hai

pooooooti'waree....tumhein kiyoon takleef hui, mein nay to masoomiat say tum poooooooti'warees ki auqat, aik qeemay wala nan hi to batai hey, aur tum apni auqat per aa gaey, rahey poooooti'wareee kay poooooti'waree...:lol::lol:..

 

[Pak Falcon]

pooooooti'waree....tumhein kiyoon takleef hui, mein nay to masoomiat say tum poooooooti'warees ki auqat, aik qeemay wala nan hi to batai hey, aur tum apni auqat per aa gaey, rahey poooooti'wareee kay poooooti'waree...:lol::lol:..

taklif tujhe hui hai teri auqat yaad dilanay par isliye tunay mujhe quote kiya. Tere jaisay sastu ko pata nhi 10 10rs pakra k lagaya hota hai pti walu ne noon walu par bau bau karne ko. But tumhare liye buri khabar ye hai k main noon league ka supporter nhi already tumhare akaun k sath un par b ***** bhej chuka hu aaj ki teri tanha cut :P

 

[tz00007]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

exactly my point... it happens everywhere...n hajj being the biggest gathering in the whole world... the risk is even higher... also add the fact that mostly our muslims are be sabrey...and they dnt care abt rules and would push n shove.... no amount of management can fully control such crowds..

Why are you impressed with EUROPE ?

STUPIDS are everywhere .
I myself survived one such incident in Germany in July 2010 .
I was just away less than 1KM where this incident happened.

This was also a BIG mistake and around 30 People died because of that mismanagement and incompetent of some stupids.

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

exactly my point... it happens everywhere...n hajj being the biggest gathering in the whole world... the risk is even higher... also add the fact that mostly our muslims are be sabrey...and they dnt care abt rules and would push n shove.... no amount of management can fully control such crowds..

Hajj is not the biggest religious gathering in the world

The biggest religious gathering in the world is Khumb Mela of Hindus (the ritual bath ) after every three years

 

[Humi]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

Hajj is not the biggest religious gathering in the world

The biggest religious gathering in the world is Khumb Mela of Hindus (the ritual bath ) after every three years

Do you know the number of attendees in that Mela on average?

 

[OnlyPK]

aj ke new photo me ne abi abi dekhi hy, jis me ne 1 bherway ko dekhni thee k dekh tri behen Khan sab k sat kitni khush nazer aa rhee hy or eid k liye bakra lay rhee hy, ab wo bherwa boly ga k ye photo purany hy, pr us bherway ko ye nhe maloom k tri Khan sab ne tri baji se nikah kra hi is saal hy [hilar]:lol:

 

[OnlyPK]

Aur tu khud kiya hai? Definitely inhi PTI k luchay lafangu aur is qaum k ghatiya tareen naujawanu mein se hai isliye meri is baat par tere pichwaray mein itni aag lagi hai.

@Admin: I request a ban on this member for being so personal and abusive.

 

[Pak Falcon]

@Admin: I request a ban on this member for being so personal and abusive.

You started abusing me now dont cry and shut up.

 

[kpkpak]

ہمیشہ کیسے ؟ اس سے پہلے 2006 میں واقع ہوا تھا اور وہ جمرات کے مقام پر ہوا, اس کے بعد سعودی حکومت نے 5 منزلہ کیا جمرات کو آج تک وہاں دوبارہ ایسا واقع نہی ہوا, کل والا واقع کماز کم آدھا کلو میٹر. دور ہوا.

This place always causes an accide t. Think Saudi' need to manage this area better to avoid further casualities.

 

[Smiter]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

hajj management is the best possible.. baaqi ye log bhi janwaro ki tarha dhakey maartey hein...

It is easy to blame pilgrims rather than look at what happened exactly. One should at least look at what other reports are emerging for the reason of this tragedy.
For example, see below:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/world/middleeast/mecca-stampede.html?_r=0
...some present in the area at the time said security forces had temporarily closed exits from an area packed with pilgrims, causing the crowding that led to the stampede.
Khalid Saleh, a Saudi government employee who rushed to the site when he heard screams and sirens, said he had found “huge numbers of people on the ground either dying or injured.” Pilgrims there told him that some of the area’s exits had been closed so that V.I.P. cars could pass, he said.

Maj. Gen. Mansour Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry, told reporters that large groups of pilgrims had run into one another and started shoving, causing the stampede, which was exacerbated by extreme heat and fatigue.
General Turki and other officials said they would not comment on how the streets had become so crowded before the official investigation was complete.

Saudi state television reported the deaths in text banners on its screen during normal pilgrimage programming, only briefly showing footage of rescue workers putting injured pilgrims into ambulances.
“That is among the things that happen at any large gathering,” one presenter said.
He closed his program by reminding viewers that it is a “virtue” to die while performing the pilgrimage and that the tragedy was only “temporary.”

 

[Smiter]

Re: How CNN Reporting Saudi Hajj Stampede in Mina

It is clear more and more that the crowd increased because all exits and entrances except one were closed, to allow a prince to pass through with his entourage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...j-horror-and-describe-seeing-dead-bodies.html

"There was crowding. The police had closed all entrances and exits to the pilgrims' camp, leaving only one," said Ahmed Abu Bakr, a 45-year-old Libyan who escaped the stampede with his mother.
He added that police at the scene appeared inexperienced. "They don't even know the roads and the places around here," he said as others nodded in agreement.

A Kenyan survivor who returned to the pillars on Friday told AFP his group lost three people. "I can blame the Saudi government because they did not control (the situation). I was there. I survived," a tearful Isaac Saleh said.
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Even before Thursday's stoning tragedy, other pilgrims had complained of a lack of organisation.
In the view of an Egyptian worshipper who identified himself only by his first name Ahmed, "the fault is not on the pilgrims".
"Saudi Arabia is spending a lot on hajj but there is no organisation," he said, complaining that the flow of people into and out of the tent camp needed to be better managed.
"They could make one road for those going and another for those returning," Ahmed said.
"If one policeman would stand at the start of every road and organise the pilgrims, none of this would happen."

 

[Smiter]

Saudis have commercialized the Hajj too much. If you can pay then you can get a room in a hotel from where you can watch Kaaba. Is this a spiritual experienc?
"Khadim" of Harmain is not much different from our own "Khadim e Aala". Their purpose of organizing Hajj is not the "khidmat" but to make as much money as possible from pilgrims.

Take a look at following video. Here a Saudi VIP is stoning the devil from within his luxurious SUV.

 

[Smiter]

Incompetent Saudis were so quick to blame the crowd itself for this tragedy. Experts however blame management.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...jured-in-crush-during-hajj-outside-Mecca.html

Crowd control experts generally prefer to avoid even using words such as "stampede", as that implies blame on the crowd itself rather than those responsible for managing them.
John Drury, an expert in crowd psychology at the University of Sussex, told The Telegraph: "In general, the reason why there are crowd crushes are because there are problems with management. People can't see how dense a crowd is when they are in one, they have what we call poor 'back to front communication'. So when it goes wrong you cannot blame the crowd because they are not in a position to be blamed."Crowd control experts generally prefer to avoid even using words such as "stampede", as that implies blame on the crowd itself rather than those responsible for managing them.

 

[Smiter]

@yasir18: Why did you "dislike" my post no. 34?