So how did Egypt do during the Ottoman Rule (Khilafat)?

AsifAmeer

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Here's a short quote from the book I just started. Read the para




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Download the eBook from HERE

Just started the book and am on chapter 2. Got some very interesting comparative studies of North/South America, the Middle East and South Africa and Asia (past and present). Even speaks of Mohenjo Daro and Harrapa.

But I wanted to share this with my friends here who advocate a 1 Man 1 council Khilafat. Calling Pork chops Islamic, doesnt make the swine halal.


Nov 21,2012:

Few folks asked me the name of the book. Here it is
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Nations-F...9219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353505142&sr=8-1

Also, found an Interesting Quote on Egypt:
Let’s turn to a favorite area for the enthusiasts of the culture hypothesis: the Middle East. Middle Eastern countries are primarily Islamic, and the non–oil producers among them are very poor, as we have already noted. Oil producers are richer, but this windfall of wealth has done little to create diversified modern economies in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. Don’t these facts show convincingly that religion matters? Though plausible, this argument is not right, either. Yes, countries such as Syria and Egypt are poor, and their populations are primarily Muslim. But these countries also systemically differ in other ways that are far more important for prosperity. For one, they were all provinces of the Ottoman Empire, which heavily, and adversely, shaped the way they developed. After Ottoman rule collapsed, the Middle East was absorbed into the English and French colonial empires, which, again, stunted their possibilities. After independence, they followed much of the former colonial world by developing hierarchical, authoritarian political regimes with few of the political and economic institutions that, we will argue, are crucial for generating economic success. This development path was forged largely by the history of Ottoman and European rule. The relationship between the Islamic religion and poverty in the Middle East is largely spurious.

The role of these historical events, rather than cultural factors, in shaping the Middle East’s economic trajectory is also seen in the fact that the parts of the Middle East that temporarily broke away from the hold of the Ottoman Empire and the European powers, such as Egypt between 1805 and 1848 under Muhammad Ali, could embark on a path of rapid economic change. Muhammad Ali usurped power following the withdrawal of the French forces that had occupied Egypt under Napoleon Bonaparte. Exploiting the weakness of the Ottoman hold over the Egyptian territory at the time, he was able to found his own dynasty, which would, in one form or another, rule until the Egyptian Revolution under Nasser in 1952. Muhammad Ali’s reforms, though coercive, did bring growth to Egypt as the state bureaucracy, the army, and the tax system were modernized and there was growth in agriculture and industry. Nevertheless, this process of modernization and growth came to an end after Ali’s death, as Egypt fell under European influence
It requires INSTITUTIONS, Accountable Institutions to continue progress, NOT individuals.
 
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lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
My only contention with these people is that if the Khilafat was so blessed bed of roses, why does it keep failing after a certain amount of time? They throw some Hadiths at me saying this is part of a divine plan where God keeps going back and forth with these Khilafats until finally he decides on one to keep until the end of time. There is no reason given why God keeps going back and forth.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
This is the 1st month of the Islamic Year called Muharram. Guess what its famous or should I say infamous for.. Yes.. thats right.. We the Muslims beheaded the Grandson of Muhammed, blessed His name. Ofcourse, family included. It was an army of MUSLIM SOLDIERS under the command of the great Muslim Khaleefa of the time..

Self-criticism is Haraam in the Muslim circle today...

My only contention with these people is that if the Khilafat was so blessed bed of roses, why does it keep failing after a certain amount of time? They throw some Hadiths at me saying this is part of a divine plan where God keeps going back and forth with these Khilafats until finally he decides on one to keep until the end of time. There is no reason given why God keeps going back and forth.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
My only contention with these people is that if the Khilafat was so blessed bed of roses, why does it keep failing after a certain amount of time? They throw some Hadiths at me saying this is part of a divine plan where God keeps going back and forth with these Khilafats until finally he decides on one to keep until the end of time. There is no reason given why God keeps going back and forth.

Rise and fall is not an exclusive characteristics of Khalafat. It is common with every nation, empire, system. It is not God (Allah) who goes back and forth. They are Muslims who go back and forth and this cause them rise and fall.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Rise and fall is not an exclusive characteristics of Khalafat. It is common with every nation, empire, system. It is not God (Allah) who goes back and forth. They are Muslims who go back and forth and this cause them rise and fall.
.. To which I ask again.. If the Khilafat was such a great system, why is it that still Muslims go back and forth on it?
 

Unicorn

Banned
Rise and fall is not an exclusive characteristics of Khalafat. It is common with every nation, empire, system. It is not God (Allah) who goes back and forth. They are Muslims who go back and forth and this cause them rise and fall.

If rise and fall is common with every nation than what is the difference between Muslims and non-Muslims. The rise of every was due to sword so is the fall nothing else.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
This is the 1st month of the Islamic Year called Muharram. Guess what its famous or should I say infamous for.. Yes.. thats right.. We the Muslims beheaded the Grandson of Muhammed, blessed His name. Ofcourse, family included. It was an army of MUSLIM SOLDIERS under the command of the great Muslim Khaleefa of the time..

Self-criticism is Haraam in the Muslim circle today...

This is bitter true, sourer truth is that we emphasize on who martyred Hazrat Hussain RA rather than the objective of His sacrifice.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
.. To which I ask again.. If the Khilafat was such a great system, why is it that still Muslims go back and forth on it?

This great car (Khilafat) run by humans, if they take care of it will run, if not it will stop some where.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
If rise and fall is common with every nation than what is the difference between Muslims and non-Muslims. The rise of every was due to sword so is the fall nothing else.

Difference between Muslims and non-Muslims is the difference of socio-economical political system. Hijab – no Hijab, interest - no interest, Diving law – one man show/51% vote.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
My hint was to that very point.. HIS SACRIFIC to stand against Tyranny. You ask a Muslim today why did Hussain RA give his life and I bet you the answer would be "For the sake of Islam". This is how hollow we are as Muslims.
This is bitter true, sourer truth is that we emphasize on who martyred Hazrat Hussain RA rather than the objective of His sacrifice.
 

tz00007

Minister (2k+ posts)
.. To which I ask again.. If the Khilafat was such a great system, why is it that still Muslims go back and forth on it?

khilafa is not something "fully describe" that we can call it a great system of bad system... it was a system of governance, usually to unite large areas...but in the end.. depend on the person on the top.. the khalifah..

the khilafah with Umar(RA) was as example for the world.. the same khilafah later on turned into malookiat, n no different than any monarchy of the world..

our muslims tend to live in past..n thats y they go back n forth..n forget the real deal.. which is sincerity and commitment..

even we made a mess of democracy too.. democracy is considered to be the best solution humans adopted for governance.. yet we made a joke out of it.. so unless the ppl change.. no system can benefit us..
 

AsifAmeer

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Khilafat is the lack of a robust system. It is the same as the British/French/Colonial Monarchy. Only difference - they are christians, we are Muslims. Its like that saying "Our S0B is better than your S0B"

.. To which I ask again.. If the Khilafat was such a great system, why is it that still Muslims go back and forth on it?

This great car (Khilafat) run by humans, if they take care of it will run, if not it will stop some where.
 

Unicorn

Banned
Difference between Muslims and non-Muslims is the difference of socio-economical political system. Hijab – no Hijab, interest - no interest, Diving law – one man show/51% vote.

I understand that difference. Why would a divine socio-economical system once put in place failed?
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
The best example of applying devine system sucessfully for the welfare of human was from Rasool Allahpbuhto Khilafat e rashda ,Hazrat Ummar bin abdul aziz was the 5 th in this chain ,after that it was malooqiat according to the hadith of our beloved prophetpbuh,till now we are waiting for an honest person who can break the idles of nationalism,democracy etc.So please dont compare usmani khilafat, ummavi khilafat with the real khelafat.If you want to see and understand the fruits of real khilafat read about the era of khilafat e rashda.
 

MS Jan

MPA (400+ posts)
To all of you against the system of Khilafah----- LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS---- Dont argue on the subject on which you are not having enough knowledge and dont conclude on the same------ Just answer my questions
What is European Union? (Few nations decided to have same currency, economy and security system)
What is USA? (Few states decided to have same currency, economy and security system)
What was Soviet Union? (Few nations / states decided to have same currency, economy and security system)
What is NATO? (Few nations decided to have to cooperate for security)

and What is khilafah ? ( same currency, economic system, and security system as per Islamic guidelines)
So why you are against khilafah--- when many of you would recommend or applaud EU or NATO etc just becuase you have limited knowledge on the subject matter. Further check history when west was in dark age we were progressing rapidly in every field why?? because of the common system called khilafah which produced synergy in the efforts of our elders .. and then west learnt the lesson from us today they have formed EU, USA, NATO etc etc...

For those who say that why khilafah system failed.. the answer lies in our deeds.. we have forgotten what islam tought us.. If you give mercedez in the hands of bad driver he will crash it.. then who would you blame the mercedez or the driver...

Today EU and USA are in problem.. and you better know about soviet fall.. dont argue agaisnt the re-establishment of khilafah just bcz it had fallen after more than 1000 years of rise.. And i dont want to go for the reason of the fall of Khilafah.. Just see your self, the misery of muslims during 100 years without the khilafah..

What if we rename Khilafah as UNITED STATES OF ISLAM.. Now every one will agree as the name is similar to modern age etc.. The problem you have is with word KHILAFAH and it shows your miserable knowledge about the subject..
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
(bigsmile)(bigsmile) @AsifAmeer @lurker .....Good going guys ....thanks for rekindling the debate ! :lol:...Let me know when you need to be truly enlightened and I can share the Muslims perspective on the Muslim history that your reading through WESTERN EYES and Books. Let me step in and solve this question :

Why does the Khilafat Keep on breaking ??

Well the answer is simple: This life is a test for all the creation. Allah swt has created this test and he has created RULES to living in this world, which he handed to us through the Prophet Muhammad pbuh in the name of Quran plus he gave us a practical example which was documented in the form of Hadith.

If we Muslims follow these RULES (Shariah) and Allah's rule which is to spread HIS word through example, peaceful persuasion and exemplified living THEN we will succeed BOTH in this world and the Hereafter. This is when Khilafat's are established.

BUT

The moment and i mean the very moment WE VEER away from HIS path ...that is the decline and HE takes this Blessing away from US.

Thats why their is a Rise and Decline - Because WE the followers dont remain steadfast ...Allah's swt promise is always there ..

There you go (bigsmile)
 
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modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Exaclty.....THATS THE WHOLE POINT ...The benchmark is definitely Khilafat-e-Rashida ...it was the best for Humanity. When Humanity faulters by not following and implementing the word of GOD thats when we lose this blessing called Khilafat !.

But even amongst the Ottomons, ummayads and any other Khilafat their was a lot of Khair and we in Particular remember the Ottomons because our AKKA pbuh gave us a Beautiful Basharat about Constantinople being captured. ..Plain and simple.

The ottomons had issues in the mid- decline phases BUT they implemented shariah, were benevolent to Muslims and NOn muslims alike, no visa restrictions, no zardari and 10 %, little inflation...etc etc. Were a safe haven for the jews and Millions of people lived in Harmony without any major man inflicted disaster.

But to the secularly blind people they rather hav modern democracy which has caused massive wars with millions killed and being killed, economic collapses, visa restrictions , nukes being used, famine...heartbreak, breaking of the family structures ...rampant divorce rates...hypocrisy....and I can go on like the ENERGIZER BUNNY :lol::lol:

Yeah these secular dudes are like on a one way bike ride into darkness ...Im like :

Q:Look at all the kiling

Answer: -we need secularism [hilar]

Q: yeah but your in secularism and that is the cause of all this

Answer - we still need secularism [hilar]

Q-Im like ...what about world wars ?

Answer- we still need secularism [hilar]

Q: Your house is on fire ??

Answer: Just shutup and give us more secularism [hilar]

Like pleassee....snap out of it...!!!...some hypnoses this is !!!


The best example of applying devine system sucessfully for the welfare of human was from Rasool Allahpbuhto Khilafat e rashda ,Hazrat Ummar bin abdul aziz was the 5 th in this chain ,after that it was malooqiat according to the hadith of our beloved prophetpbuh,till now we are waiting for an honest person who can break the idles of nationalism,democracy etc.So please dont compare usmani khilafat, ummavi khilafat with the real khelafat.If you want to see and understand the fruits of real khilafat read about the era of khilafat e rashda.
 
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