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MQM

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
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MYCOUNTRY

Minister (2k+ posts)
[taseer] May Allah forgive us What kind of stupid [taseer] [zardari] are ruling us ???????????????
Taseer is as crazy as Zardari so pls don,t mind them...............pls put in the garbage what Taseer say B/C he is crazy.
 

Tahreek_Insaf

New Member
Hey friends just a quick question the "blasphemy law". Was it practised during our prophet's(PBUP) lifetime or did it come into practice after? Not sure,as well would like to know is Taseer's wife a skih?
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
I HATE SALAMAN TASEER AS MUCH AS I HATE SALAMAN RUSHDDIE.
BUT I AGREE WITH HIM, WE SHOULD NOT USE NAME OF PROPHET(PBUM) FOR OUR PERSONAL REVENGES.
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tahreek_Insaf said:
Hey friends just a quick question the "blasphemy law". Was it practised during our prophet's(PBUP) lifetime or did it come into practice after? Not sure,as well would like to know is Taseer's wife a skih?
DOES IT MATTER WHAT RELIGION SALAMAN TASEER'S WIFE BELONGS TO?
JUST WATCH THEIR LIFE STYLE.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLJ6-MEA5Rw[/video]
 

dukelondon

Senator (1k+ posts)
Asalam-o-alaikum brothers and sisters,

Eid Mubarak to all of you.

Blasphemy law was not in practice at the time of the our beloved Prophet (PBUH). Infact, whenever anyone said anything bad about the Prophet, the Prophet instructed his companions NEVER to react to it and used to personally address that person's concerns. He converted hundreds of people by his Ikhlaq in that way instead of ordering them to be persecuted or killed. This was the conduct of our Holy Prophet (PBUH). This law was also not present during the time of the Khulfa-e-Rashideen (RA).

Now lets look at what We did. We created a law which has got nothing to do with Islam to punish people who say anything bad about our religion/prophet with the DEATH Sentence (Capital Punishment). This law in principle is against Islam which promotes freedom of speech and rejects violence. In addition, this law is used in Pakistan for personal benefits to kill people from minorities. The worst part of this UnIslamic Law is that the Non-Muslim who is accused of blasphemy has to prove himself innocent or else.. Dont believe it!!! Its true.. In sharp contrast with other laws, this law dictates that the accused has to prove himself innocent and not the other way round. Every other law dictates that you are innocent unless proven guilty. But here you are guilty unless proven innocent. This UnIslamic Law has taken the lives of hundreds of innocent Non-Muslims who were killed due to personal enmity.

Now Let me tell you something. If a Non-Muslim lives around you area/school/college etc and you dont like him/have any enmity and or money problems or anything with him and you want him out of your way, its very simple. You accuse him of blasphemy, then either take him to court and get him killed or gather a mob and kill him. No questions asked. No accountability. Nothing. THIS IS THE FORM OF JUSTICE PRACTICED IN OUR COUNTRY. UNBELIEVABLE RIGHT????? Can't believe the followers of an angel like Prophet (PBUH) practicing this.. Its true brothers and sisters. If you think I'm not stating the facts, do some research.

THis is NOT about Salman Taseer. He is an a** hole and everyone knows it. Its about what is right and what is wrong. Its time for us to show the world that We Muslims are the followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the most humble and just individual the world has every seen and we practice Islam which is the religion of Peace and Harmony. A religion that gives rights to minorities like Never given before. A religion that teaches us to co-exist peacefully with people from other religions.
 

MQM

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@Tahreek_Insaf
dear en ki pehly wife sikh sahafi thee jis sey es ka ek larka bhi hey jis ne taseer ki asleat par ek book likhi jo london main rehta hey or still sikh mazhab ki practice karta hey [taseer]
 

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
What would a zani, kababi, juwari, sharabi and sazishi know about Islam?

Salman Taseer believes in secularism, capitalism, materialism and usury and should stop quoting the Quran and hadiz of our beloved Prophet Mohammed (SAW). He is a munafiq and should refrain from quoting Islam.

He is an insult to Islam. PPP is a secular and irreligious party and believes that Islam should not have any say in the running of Pakistan and its religious and political affairs. PPP and MQM are sympathiser and supporters of mushrik qadayani movement and under pressure from the USA and European government to grant the mushriks full status. Qadayani movement is an American, Zionist, Indian and European backed organization and helped and financed through out the world by the West to weaken and disunite Muslims of the world.

In a Muslim state, zamis are a protected minorities and qadayanis are dangerous mushriks.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

I heard on a tape that whoever insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should be executed even if he shows that he has repented. Should he be killed as a hadd punishment or because of kufr? If his repentance is sincere, will Allaah forgive him or will he go to Hell and his repentance will be of no avail?

Praise be to Allaah.

The answer to this question may be given by addressing the two following issues:

1 The ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16

This ruling is indicated by the Quraan and Sunnah.

In the Quraan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Quraan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: (Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.

If you ask them (about this), they declare: We were only talking idly and joking. Say: Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed

[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]

This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir, whether he was serious or joking.

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn Abbaas which we will quote below.

This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up. The blind man stood up and said, O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)

It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her.

Al-Nasaai narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, Shall I kill him? He rebuked me and said, That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) . (Saheeh al-Nasaai, 3795)

It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs.

The second issue is: if a person who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, should his repentance be accepted or not?

The scholars are agreed that if such a person repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

But they differed as to whether his repentance should be accepted in this world and whether that means he is no longer subject to the sentence of execution.

Maalik and Ahmad were of the view that it should not be accepted, and that he should be killed even if he has repented.

They quoted as evidence the Sunnah and proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

In the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sad ibn Abi Waqqaas said: On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with Uthmaan ibn Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of Abd-Allaah. He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance? They said, We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes? He said, It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes.

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334)

This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant.

Abd-Allaah ibn Sad was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult. Then he became Muslim again and was a good Muslim, may Allaah be pleased with him. Al-Saarim 115.

With regard to proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

They said that insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has to do with two rights, the right of Allaah and the right of a human being. With regard to the right of Allaah, this is obvious, because it is casting aspersions upon His Message, His Book and His Religion. As for the right of a human being, this is also obvious, because it is like trying to slander the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by this insult. In a case which involves both the rights of Allaah and the rights of a human being, the rights of the human beings are not dropped when the person repents, as in the case of the punishment for banditry, because if the bandit has killed someone, that means that he must be executed and crucified. But if he repents before he is caught, then the right of Allaah over him, that he should be executed and crucified, no longer applies, but the rights of other humans with regard to qisaas (retaliatory punishment) still stand. The same applies in this case. If the one who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, then the rights of Allaah no longer apply, but there remains the right of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which still stand despite his repentance.

If it is said, Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them? The answer is:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438

Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a valuable book on this matter, entitled al-Saarim al-Maslool ala Shaatim al-Rasool which every believer should read, especially in these times when a lot of hypocrites and heretics dare to insult the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because they see that the Muslims are careless and feel little protective jealousy towards their religion and their Prophet, and they do not implement the shari punishment which would deter these people and their ilk from committing this act of blatant kufr.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions.


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such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why should a person who disbelieves after becoming Muslim be executed?


The punishment for the apostate is execution. Why such harshness?.


Praise be to Allaah.

The punishment for apostasy from the religion of Islam is execution. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever

[al-Baqarah 2:217]

And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Whoever changes his religion, execute him. Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh. What this hadeeth means is that whoever leaves Islam and changes to another religion and persists in that and does not repent, is to be executed. It was also proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: It is not permissible to shed the blood of a person who bears witness that there is no god but Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases: a life for a life, a previously-married person who commits adultery, and one who leaves Islam and forsakes the jamaaah. Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

This harsh punishment is for a number of reasons:

1 This punishment is a deterrent to anyone who wants to enter Islam just to follow the crowd or for hypocritical purposes. This will motivate him to examine the matter thoroughly and not to proceed unless he understands the consequences of that in this world and in the Hereafter. The one who announces his Islam has agreed to adhere to all the rulings of Islam of his own free will and consent, one of which rulings is that he is to be executed if he apostatizes from the faith.

2 The one who announces his Islam has joined the jamaaah (main body) of the Muslims, and whoever joins the main body of the Muslims is required to be completely loyal and to support it and protect it against anything that may lead to fitnah or destroy it or cause division. Apostasy from Islam means forsaking the jamaaah and its divine order, and has a harmful effect on it. Execution is the greatest deterrent that will prevent people from committing such a crime.

3 Those Muslims who are weak in faith and others who are against Islam may think that the apostate has only left Islam because of what he has found out about its real nature, because if it were the truth then he would never have turned away from it. So they learn from him all the doubts, lies and fabrications which are aimed at extinguishing the light of Islam and putting people off from it. In this case executing the apostate is obligatory, in order to protect the true religion from the defamation of the liars and to protect the faith of its adherents and remove obstacles from the path of those who are entering the faith.

4 We also say that the death penalty exists in the modern laws of man to protect the system from disorder in some situation and to protect society against certain crimes which may cause its disintegration, such as drugs etc. If execution can serve as a deterrent to protect man-made systems, then it is more appropriate that the true religion of Allaah, which Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it [cf. Fussilat 41:42], and which is all goodness, happiness and tranquility in this world and in the Hereafter should punish those who commit acts of aggression against it and seek to extinguish its light and defame its image, and who fabricate lies against it to justify their apostasy and deviation.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daaimah, 21/234-231.


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Tahreek_Insaf

New Member
Thank you MQM for your reply so what it means is that its yet another "added Law" . And what surprises me is that this is only in Pakistan? Hey what can i say..
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
Why do you care how these people live their personal live. Look at Bill Clinton, he was one of the great president of USA but didn't have a good lifestyle.
 

MQM

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@Nepali Pandit
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