Sharmila Bose: Myth-busting the Bangladesh war of 1971 (rejecting the Indian narrative)

cefspan

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Re: Wrong allegats against Pak Army in 1971 war - a Bangali writers prespective

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[MENTION=13871]Unicorn[/MENTION] [MENTION=11489]ASQR1[/MENTION]

Both of u please read this book , Unicorn , u will get the proofs , and ASQR1 u will know the reality .

My Grand DAD said that Niazi was a traitor , this book isn't worth reading . I took the facts he mentioned , took old newspapers , map of bangladesh and it all fitted in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What this person says is nearly the truth ., We played major part in Seperation than Benglais ..... Forexample , Niazi , when army was in Bashani's village , tried to negotiate with the masses , They suceedeed . When army corpse in WEST PAk knew of this , they were dazzled. ANd warnings were issued to him .

THE TRIO IS LIKE THIS ,

YAHYA + BHUTTO + PROSTITUTE GEBNERAL RANI on one side = Mujib with millions of people on other.........

and by the way , the seperation began on the day we started calling east pakistanik bros as BLOODY BENGALIS!
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Facts of 1971 - بنگالیوں پر جنگی جرائم کے الزامات

Aacha keya 1971 sai mutaliq humari akhain aap ney khol deen ...waqt milay tou 1947 ka sikhon k mazalim pay be humari chasham kushai kejeya ga ... 2011 ki baat karoo aab tou nahi tou dastaan tak na hogi dastanoon main .... aasa lagta hai kuch logh chahatey he nahi k aaj ki aur aney waley kaal ki baat kee jayee koe sooch paida kee jaye... haan haan janta hoon jo tareekh sai sabak nahi seekhtey woh tareekh ban jatay hain ... tou abhi kya hum super power baney huee hain ??? bhaar main gaya mujeeb, india, mutibaheni aur gen niyazi... mujha bataoon zardari, america ... TTP aur kayani ka kya karon....??

My family migrated from india , leaving behind everyrthing , cattle ,home , zameenaen , only my grand dad hjis aunt and great grand dad survived ....

But the sikh got in return what the deserved in GOLDEN TEMPLE MASSACRE ><......mostly....
 

Unicorn

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Re: Facts of 1971 - بنگالیوں پر جنگی جرائم کے الزامات

My family migrated from india , leaving behind everyrthing , cattle ,home , zameenaen , only my grand dad hjis aunt and great grand dad survived ....

But the sikh got in return what the deserved in GOLDEN TEMPLE MASSACRE ><......mostly....

I am requesting that you bring back the cute rabbit. This penguin is very distracting. Sorry to hear about your family.

The terrorists hiding in the golden temple got what they deserved but there were many innocent who died as well.
 

Unicorn

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Re: Wrong allegats against Pak Army in 1971 war - a Bangali writers prespective

@Unicorn . its useless to argue with @ASQR1 , because he will never understand how gruesome the image of PAK army was made there . There are many incidents which contributed in building of this hatred against pak army . For example ,

In 1969 flood / Tsunami , mass destruction occured there , according to our very constitution , army has to help[ civilians in case of natural calamity / disaster .
The Governor there asked army for help , which was rejected by ieutenant general sahibzada yaqub Ali which was of authority then .

And British and Indian troops were called for help . THus it was a headline in guardian newspapers (not confirmed ) that ''PAK army too busy in training , INDIAN and BRITISH SOLDIERS burying dead in East Pakistan''

ASQR1 wants me take the word of Indian "Scholar" Sharmila Bose when the evidence on the other side of the scale is overwhelming only by considering UN alone. I would probably take the word of this scholar if ASQR1 consider every Indian writer as a scholar as a true scholar. History is full of false "scholars'
 

asmpk

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
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http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: (شرمیلا بوس : بنگلہ دیش کے خلاف جنگ (بھارتی ک&#1

Excerpts from "Blood and Tears"
Book by Qutubuddin Aziz
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Looking at the tragic events of March 1971 in retrospect, I must confess that even I, although my press service commanded a sizeable network of district correspondents in the interior of East Pakistan, was not fully aware of the scale, ferocity and dimension of the province-wide massacre of the non-Banglis.

I must stress, with all the force and sincerity at my command, that this bock is not intended to be a racist indictment of the Bengalis as a nation. In writing and publishing this book, I am not motivated by any revanchist obsession or a wish to condemn my erstwhile Bengali compatriots as a nation. Just as it is stupid to condemn the great German people for the sins of the Nazis, it would be foolish to blame the Bengali people as a whole for the dark deeds of the Awami League militants and their accomplices.
I have incorporated in this book the acts of heroism and courage of those brave and patriotic Bengalis who sheltered and protected, at great peril to themselves, their terror-stricken non-Bengali friends and neighbours. On the basis of the heaps of eye-witness accounts, which I have carefully read, sifted and analysed, I do make bold to say that the vast majority of Bengalis disapproved of and was not a party to the barbaric atrocities inflicted on the hapless non-Bengalis by the Awami League's terror machine and the Frankensteins and vampires it unloosed. This silent majority, it seemed, was awed, immobilised and neutralised by the terrifying power, weapons and ruthlessness of a misguided minority hell-bent on accomplishing the secession of East Pakistan.

The sheaves of eye-witness accounts, documented in this book, prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the massacre of West Pakistanis, Biharis and other non-Bengalis in East Pakistan had begun long before the Pakistan Army took punitive action against the rebels late in the night of March 25, 1971. It is also crystal clear that the Awami League's terror machine was the initiator and executor of the genocide against the non-Bengalis which exterminated at least half a million of them in less than two months of horror and trauma. Many witnesses have opined that the federal Government acted a bit too late against the insurgents. The initial success of the federal military action is proved by the fact that in barely 30 days, the Pakistan Army, with a combat strength of 38,717 officers and men in East Pakistan, had squelched the Awami League's March-April, 1971, rebellion all over the province.

Typical of the open-air, human abattoirs operated by the Awami League-led rebels in East Pakistan in 1971 is this photograph of multiple-executions done by a Mukti-Bahini killer squad in Dacca Race Course. The pro-Pakistan Bengali and non-Bengali victims were tortured before being slain
The hundreds of eye-witnesses from towns and cities of East Pakistan, whose testimonies are documented in this book, are unanimous in reporting that the slaughter of West Pakistanis, Biharis, and other non-Bangalis and of some pro-Pakistan Bengalis had begun in the early days of the murderous month of March 1971.

Looking at the tragic events of March 1971 in retrospect, I must confess that even I, although my press service commanded a sizeable network of district correspondents in the interior of East Pakistan, was not fully aware of the scale, ferocity and dimension of the province-wide massacre of the non-Banglis.I must stress, with all the force and sincerity at my command, that this bock is not intended to be a racist indictment of the Bengalis as a nation. In writing and publishing this book, I am not motivated by any revanchist obsession or a wish to condemn my erstwhile Bengali compatriots as a nation. Just as it is stupid to condemn the great German people for the sins of the Nazis, it would be foolish to blame the Bengali people as a whole for the dark deeds of the Awami League militants and their accomplices.

I have incorporated in this book the acts of heroism and courage of those brave and patriotic Bengalis who sheltered and protected, at great peril to themselves, their terror-stricken non-Bengali friends and neighbours. On the basis of the heaps of eye-witness accounts, which I have carefully read, sifted and analysed, I do make bold to say that the vast majority of Bengalis disapproved of and was not a party to the barbaric atrocities inflicted on the hapless non-Bengalis by the Awami League's terror machine and the Frankensteins and vampires it unloosed. This silent majority, it seemed, was awed, immobilised and neutralised by the terrifying power, weapons and ruthlessness of a misguided minority hell-bent on accomplishing the secession of East Pakistan.


The 170 eye-witnesses, whose testimonies or interviews are contained in this book in abridged form have been chosen from a universe of more than 5,000 repatriated non-Bengali families. I had identified, after some considerable research, 55 towns and cities in East Pakistan where the abridgement of the non-Bengali population in March and early April 1971 was conspicuously heavy. The collection and compilation of these eye-witness accounts was started in January 1974 and completed in twelve weeks. A team of four reporters, commissioned for interviewing the witnesses from all these 55 towns and cities of East Pakistan, worked with intense devotion to secure their testimony. Many of the interviews were prolonged because the Witnesses broke down in a flurry of sobs and tears as they related the agonising stories of their wrecked lives. I had issued in February 1974 an appeal in the newspapers for such eye-witness accounts, and I am grateful to the many hundreds of witnesses who promptly responded to my call.
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A scene of Mukti Bahini mass murder of Biharis in Dacca on December 18, 1971. A rebel soldier lifts his boot to strike a bleeding bayoneted boy who showed signs of life. Dead bodies of other slain non-Bengalis lie in the foreground.

I am the lone survivor of a group of ten Pathans who were employed as Security Guards by the Delta Construction Company in the Mohakhali locality in Dacca; all the others were slaughtered by the Bengali rebels in the night of March 25, 1971, said 40-year-old Bacha Khan.


I heard the screams of an Urdu-speaking girl who was being ravished by her Bengali captors but I was so scared that I did not have the courage to emerge from hiding said a 24-year-old Zahid Abdi, who was employed in a trading firm in Dacca. He escaped the slaughter of the non-Bengalis in the crowded New Market locality of Dacca on March 23, 1971 and was sheltered by a God-fearing Bengali in his shop. The killers raped their non-Bengali teenage victim at the back of the shop and later on slayed her.
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My only daughter has been insane since she was forced by her savage tormentors to watch the brutal murder of her husband, said Mukhtar Ahmed Khan, 43, while giving an account of his suffering during the Ides of March 1971 in Dacca.In the third week of March 1971, a gang of armed Bengali rebels raided house of my son-in-law and overpowered him. He was a courageous Youngman and he resisted the attackers. My daughter also resisted the attackers but they were far too many and they were well armed. They tied up my son-in-law and my daughter with ropes and they forced her to watch as they slit the throat of her husband and ripped his stomach open in the style of butchers. She fainted and lost consciousness. Since that dreadful day she has been mentally ill."

Shamim Akhtar, 28, whose husband was employed as a clerk in the Railway office in Dacca, lived in a small house in the Mirpur locality there.

She described her tragedy in these words:

On December 17, 1971, the Mukti Bahini cut off the water supply to our homes. We used to get water from a nearby pond; it was polluted and had a bad odour. I was nine months pregnant. On December 23, 1971, I gave birth to a baby girl. No midwife was available and my husband helped me at child birth. Late at night, a gang of armed Bengalis raided our house, grabbed my husband and trucked him away. I begged them in the name of God to spare him as I could not even walk and my children were too small. The killers were heartless and I learnt that they murdered my husband. After five days, they returned and ordered me and my children to vacate the house as they claimed that it was now their property.

Zaibunnissa Haq, 30, whose journalist husband, Izhar-ul-Haque, worked as a columnist in the Daily Watan in Dacca, gave this account of her travail in 1971:
A copy of the ads and the forms used for soliciting testimony from the victims.
.On December 21, a posse of Mukti Bahini soldiers and some thugs rode into our locality with blazing guns and ordered us to leave our house as, according to them, no Bihari could own a house in Bangladesh. For two days, we lived on bare earth in an open space and we had nothing to eat. Subsequently, we were taken to a Relief Camp by the Red Cross.

In Pubail and Tangibari, the Awami League militants and their rebel confederates murdered dozens of affluent Biharis. Shops owned by the Biharis were favourite target of attack.Four armed thugs dragged two captive non-Bengali teenage girls into an empty bus and violated their chastity before gunning them to death, said Gulzar Hussain, 38, who witnessed the massacre of 22 non-Bengali men, women and children on March 21, 1971, close to a bus stand in Narayangang. Repatriated to Karachi in November 1973, Gulzar Hussain reported: ".On March 21, our Dacca-bound bus was stopped on the way, soon after it left the heart of the city. I was seated in the front portion of the bus and I saw that the killer gang had guns, scythes and daggers. The gunmen raised 'Joi Bangla' and anti-Pakistan slogans. The bus driver obeyed their signal to stop and the thugs motioned to the passengers to get down. A jingo barked out the order that Bengalis and non-Bengalis should fall into separate lines. As I spoke Bengali with a perfect Dacca accent and could easily pass for a Bengali, I joined the Bengali group of passengers. The killer gang asked us to utter a few sentences in Bengali which we did. I passed the test and our tormentors instructed the Bengalis to scatter. The thugs then gunned all the male non-Bengalis. It was a horrible scene. Four of the gunmen took for their loot two young non-Bengali women and raped them inside the empty bus. After they had ravished the girls, the killers shot them and half a dozen other women and children.

She described her tragedy in these words:

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As the victim did not die in a single bayonet strike, another Mukti-Bahini killer plunged his bayonet in to the writhing Biharis chest. Dead bodies of Bihari and Bengali victims lie strewn over the execution ground as Mukti-Bahini killers and their accomplices watch the butchery with sadist pleasure.
On December 17, 1971, the Mukti Bahini cut off the water supply to our homes. We used to get water from a nearby pond; it was polluted and had a bad odour. I was nine months pregnant. On December 23, 1971, I gave birth to a baby girl. No midwife was available and my husband helped me at child birth. Late at night, a gang of armed Bengalis raided our house, grabbed my husband and trucked him away. I begged them in the name of God to spare him as I could not even walk and my children were too small. The killers were heartless and I learnt that they murdered my husband. After five days, they returned and ordered me and my children to vacate the house as they claimed that it was now their property.

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Zaibunnissa Haq, 30, whose journalist husband, Izhar-ul-Haque, worked as a columnist in the Daily Watan in Dacca, gave this account of her travail in 1971: .On December 21, a posse of Mukti Bahini soldiers and some thugs rode into our locality with blazing guns and ordered us to leave our house as, according to them, no Bihari could own a house in Bangladesh. For two days, we lived on bare earth in an open space and we had nothing to eat. Subsequently, we were taken to a Relief Camp by the Red Cross.

Nasima Khatoon, 25, lived in a rented house in the Pancho Boti locality in Narayanganj. Her husband, Mohammad Qamrul Hasan, was employed in a Vegetable Oil manufacturing factory. Repatriated to Karachi in January 1974, along with her 4-year-old orphaned daughter, from a Red Cross Camp in Dacca, Nasima gave this hair-raising account of her travail in 1971:
A Bihari victim grabbed by Mukti-Bahini killers, begging for mercy.
At gun point, our captors made us leave our house and marched us to an open square where more than 500 non Bengali old men, women and children were detained. Some 50 Bengali gunmen led us through swampy ground towards a deserted school building. On the way, the 3-year-old child of a hapless captive woman died in her arms. She asked her captors to allow her to dig a small grave and bury the child. The tough man in the lead snorted a sharp NO, snatched the body of the dead child from her wailing mother and tossed it into the river

The Awami League's rebellion of March 1971 took the heaviest toll of non-Bengali lives in the populous port city of Chittagong. Although the Government of Pakistan's White Paper of August 1971 on the East Pakistan crisis estimated the non-Bengali death toll in Chittagong and its neighbouring townships during the Awami League's insurrection to be a little under 15,000, the testimony of hundreds of eye-witnesses interviewed for this book gives the impression that more than 50,000 non-Bengalis perished in the March 1971 carnage. Thousands of dead bodies were flung into the Karnaphuli river and the Bay of Bengal.
Savage killings also took place in the Halishahar, Kalurghat and Pahartali localities where the Bengali rebel soldiers poured petrol and kerosine oil around entire blocks, igniting them with flame-throwers and petrol-soaked jute balls, then mowed down the non-Bengali innocents trying to escape the cordons of fire. In the wanton slaughter in the last week of March and early April, 1971, some 40,000 non-Bengalis perished in Chittagong and its neighbourhood. The exact death toll, which could possibly be much more will never be known because of the practice of burning dead bodies or dumping them in the river and the sea.

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The uniformed killer puffing the cigarette to singe the eyes of the terrified prey. Eye gouging and burning the skin of victims was a favourite torture method of the rebels.
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saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Most of the Bangalis specially educated Bangali people did not want division. But uneducated Bangali gangs were working on Indian agenda with Indian support.
Mujib had created misunderstanding among Bangalis that they were being mistreated and he will give them equal rights. While thinking that Mujib is a loyal Pakistani and will be a good PM majority of Bangalis voted him to be PM of Pakistan. But whatever Mujib did majority did not want this.
My dad was out of Pakistan those days,he tells that his Bangali friends were weeping after they got the news of separation.
 

hassam

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Since I do not watch pakistani news media, I have a question for the members of this forum. How many news channels have highlight this book and its contents?
 

ASQR1

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Re: Wrong allegats against Pak Army in 1971 war - a Bangali writers prespective

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[MENTION=13871]Unicorn[/MENTION] [MENTION=11489]ASQR1[/MENTION]

Both of u please read this book , Unicorn , u will get the proofs , and ASQR1 u will know the reality .

My Grand DAD said that Niazi was a traitor , this book isn't worth reading . I took the facts he mentioned , took old newspapers , map of bangladesh and it all fitted in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What this person says is nearly the truth ., We played major part in Seperation than Benglais ..... Forexample , Niazi , when army was in Bashani's village , tried to negotiate with the masses , They suceedeed . When army corpse in WEST PAk knew of this , they were dazzled. ANd warnings were issued to him .

THE TRIO IS LIKE THIS ,

YAHYA + BHUTTO + PROSTITUTE GEBNERAL RANI on one side = Mujib with millions of people on other.........

and by the way , the seperation began on the day we started calling east pakistanik bros as BLOODY BENGALIS!

Bro. Cefspan./

I need not to read this book, time for this book has passed as is indicated by Indian researchers,That was than, now with new deviance I say it makes sense, but Uni being India will favor old stores as it severs India purpose and not Pakistan.

How many times I have to tll Indians that new research makes old books and research nul and void, so with new research in hasd I say it is true and Pakistani Army has been made escapes goat for blunders of Indians and international media.

Let me give new example;-

A new flash is going across TV in Toronto about freed hostages,but media here is so biased that it is not naming Pakistani navy being the pivotal force for the release. We the humble, truthful and law abiding Muslims have to keep telling the truth for it to be the norm for all things, instances in this wold.


Islam prohibits violence but asks that the truth be spoken and be supported in all the cases all the time.
 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Wrong allegats against Pak Army in 1971 war - a Bangali writers prespective

Bro I can't read Urdu but from your response I got the picture. Watch this documentary by a Bangladeshi and argue with him then let the Bangladesh PM publicly declare that the whole thing was a hoax than I will apologize. Now you have your work cut out for you. Look up the maker of this documentary should be your first task.

For the last two years they are showing this documentary to all the politicians throughout world in search for justice. Do something about it while you have the chance.


Well how Indian Army dressed half of their army as Pakistani Army and gave it the liberty to shoot indiscriminately would definitely show that Pakistanis were responsible for that. I have heard that even the prime minister Hasina Wajid in her book has accepted the fact that Indian Army was dressed as Pakistan Army. This would change the whole scenario would it not???
 

Unicorn

Banned
Re: Wrong allegats against Pak Army in 1971 war - a Bangali writers prespective

Well how Indian Army dressed half of their army as Pakistani Army and gave it the liberty to shoot indiscriminately would definitely show that Pakistanis were responsible for that. I have heard that even the prime minister Hasina Wajid in her book has accepted the fact that Indian Army was dressed as Pakistan Army. This would change the whole scenario would it not???

It is very easy to deal with situation. Let the Government of Bangladesh declare that it was Indian army along with Mukti Bahani responsible for the genocide. Quote me the page of the book where Hasina has wrote that Indian army was dressed as Pakistani army this will be in contradiction of her speech when she stated that a memorial for the dead Indian solders will be build to honor them.

If you can't do at least convenience the UN that it was Indian army. UN was there for a long time.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sarmila Bose is from an elite family of Indian Bengal. While I do not agree with her opinion, I would like to point out the world opinion.
Given the animosity existed between India and USA in those days of Nixon era, why no country supported Pakistan in UN? why there was no sanctions on India's duplicity during 1971 war? why Mr. Bhutto has to tear the UN resolution in the Assembly ?

To quote a book is okay, it the the personal opinion/analysis of an individual. Whereas History is collective thinking of many individuals of that time. That's what matters. Distortion of history by personal opinions does not matter.

 
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ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sarmila Bose is from an elite family of Indian Bengal. While I do not agree with her opinion, I would like to point out the world opinion.
Given the animosity existed between India and USA in those days of Nixon era, why no country supported Pakistan in UN? why there was no sanctions on India's duplicity during 1971 war? why Mr. Bhutto has to tear the UN resolution in the Assembly ?

To quote a book is okay, it the the personal opinion/analysis of an individual. Whereas History is collective thinking of many individuals of that time. That's what matters. Distortion of history by personal opinions does not matter.


sharmila may from elite or tiger family, discussion here is not about sharmila it is about truth which makes sense, it makes sense that 20,000 troops will do such a hienus act as it is very clearly conayed to Muslims soldiers to not to indulge in any activity such as that.

Now that you are trying to lesson the impact of truth by your impression of sharmila as a elite carries no value, U.N. has only been doing what its elite member what it to do, Prime case is that of Iraq, 2 million people died and U,N, has nothing to say where as when poeple are killed by others such by Radavan in eastern Europe or other in Africa they are promptly brought to justice, not that it is wrong to bring them to justice, the proper way to bring Justice should not by selective methods, but be applied to all across to all Nations all the time.

As you mention the history, you forget to mention the fact that History stands to be proved wrong by truthful research, it has been done for millaniums and Sharmila just did what needed to be done.

Your name is only truth and it is funny that you are always trying to hide it by your concocted ideas.
 
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