Sex Talk for Muslim Women

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sex Talk for Muslim Women

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After I gave a reading in Britain last year, a woman stood in line as I signed books. When it was her turn, the woman, who said she was from a British Muslim family of Arab origin, knelt down to speak so that we were at eye level.

I, too, am fed up with waiting to have sex, she said, referring to the experience I had related in the reading. Im 32 and theres no one I want to marry. How do I get over the fear that God will hate me if I have sex before marriage?

I hear this a lot. My email inbox is jammed with messages from women who, like me, are of Middle Eastern and Muslim descent. They write to vent about how to get rid of this burden of virginity, or to ask about hymen reconstruction surgery if theyre planning to marry someone who doesnt know their sexual history, or just to share their thoughts about sex.

Countless articles have been written on the sexual frustration of men in the Middle East from the jihadi supposedly drawn to armed militancy by the promise of virgins in the afterlife toordinary Arab men unable to afford marriage. Far fewer stories have given voice to the sexual frustration of women in the region or to an honest account of womens sexual experiences, either within or outside marriage.

I am not a cleric, and I am not here to argue over what religion says about sex. I am an Egyptian, Muslim woman who waited until she was 29 to have sex and has been making up for lost time. My upbringing and faith taught me that I should abstain until I married. I obeyed this until I could not find anyone I wanted to marry and grew impatient. I have come to regret that it took my younger self so long to rebel and experience something that gives me so much pleasure.

We barely acknowledge the sexual straitjacket we force upon women. When it comes to women, especially Muslim women in the Middle East, the story seems to begin and end with the debate about the veil. Always the veil. As if we dont exist unless its to express a position on the veil.

So where are the stories on womens sexual frustrations and experiences? I spent much of last year on a book tour that took me to 12 countries. Everywhere I went from Europe and North America to India, Nigeria and Pakistan women, including Muslim women, readily shared with me their stories of guilt, shame, denial and desire. They shared because I shared.

It has not been easy for my parents to hear their daughter talk so frankly about sex, but it has opened up a world of other womens experiences. In many non-Western countries, speaking about such things is scorned as white or Western behavior. But when sex is surrounded by silence and taboo, it is the most vulnerable who are hurt, especially girls and sexual minorities.Many cultures and religions prescribe the abstinence that was indoctrinated in me.

When I was teaching at the University of Oklahoma in 2010, one of my students told the class that she had signed a purity pledge with her father, vowing to wait until she married before she had sex. It was a useful reminder that a cult of virginity is specific neither to Egypt, my birthplace, nor to Islam, my religion. Remembering my struggles with abstinence and being alone with that, I determined to talk honestly about the sexual frustration of my 20s, how I overcame the initial guilt of disobedience, and how I made my way through that guilt to a positive attitude toward sex.

In New York, a Christian Egyptian-American woman told me how hard it was for her to come out to her family. In Washington, a young Egyptian woman told the audience that her family didnt know she was a lesbian. In Jaipur, a young Indian talked about the challenge of being gender nonconforming; and in Lahore, I met a young woman who shared what it was like to be queer in Pakistan.

My notebooks are full of stories like these. I tell friends I could write the manual on how to lose your virginity.

But the issue of sex affects all women, not just those with money or a college degree. Sometimes, I hear the argument that women in the Middle East have enough to worry about simply struggling with literacy and employment. To which my response is: So because someone is poor or cant read, she shouldnt have consent and agency, the right to enjoy sex and her own body?Many of the women who share them with me, I realize, enjoy some privilege, be it education or an independent income. It is striking that such privilege does not always translate into sexual freedom, nor protect women if they transgress cultural norms.

The answer to that question is already out there, in places like the blog Adventures From the Bedroom of African Women, founded by the Ghana-based writer Nana Darkoa Sekyiamah, and the Mumbai-based Agents of Ishq, a digital project on sex education and sexual life. These initiatives prove that sex-positive attitudes are not the province only of so-called white feminism. As the writer Mitali Saran put it, in an anthology of Indian womens writing: I am not ashamed of being a sexual being.

My revolution has been to develop from a 29-year-old virgin to the 49-year-old woman who now declares, on any platform I get: It is I who own my body. Not the state, the mosque, the street or my family. And it is my right to have sex whenever, and with whomever, I choose.

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Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Of course its your right to decide if you want to be a harlot.
Wanna get noticed as a muslim in the world of bigoted libral scum? Write against islam in any way shape or form. Salman Rushdie is a prime example.
It's a pitty most of these so called forward thinking people end up disease ridden lonely individuals taking their lives in the end if drugs hasn't already.
Lets see what these librals have to show for it..... morally degrading society with no sense of family and teenaged single moms shaking their junk in the trunk for $5.
Good luck in your pursuit of promiscuity you two cent ho.
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
paagal baewaqoof aurat just wants limelight in media, what I read and experiencedheared in our society,

females 80% tend not begin with sexual relationship but prefer soul mate first commitment and then ofcourse,

but ITS WRONG TO SAY ANY WOMEN majority 80% are NOT dieing for SEX as MEN of all cultures and ages, women are different, above is all BS
 
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atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
کسی دلیل کسی بحث کی ضرورت نہیں پاکستانی لبرلز کے لیے لبرل ہونے کا مطلب و مقصد یہی ہے
 

fannekhan

Banned
well done lady ,when men are free to have four biwis why not a single woman have four husbands ? (bigsmile)
women are coming forward when they get themselves free from the jail of men , that is possible only when they get educated and become independent ,
men can't stand any woman talking eye to eye with them , this is mostly in underdeveloped countries. so even educated men try to keep women uneducated so she can not compete with them , this hurts ego of men.
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
well done lady ,when men are free to have four biwis why not a single woman have four husbands ? (bigsmile)
women are coming forward when they get themselves free from the jail of men , that is possible only when they get educated and become independent ,
men can't stand any woman talking eye to eye with them , this is mostly in underdeveloped countries. so even educated men try to keep women uneducated so she can not compete with them , this hurts ego of men.
An arrogant rant of a mediocre human being with no ability to get the finer details you have all it takes to make a classic case of a libral bigot.
If not religion as you claim is the reason for women's predicaments, mankind will find something else to cause them that. Being liberal shouldn't mean you have to be thick as a door knob.
In the name of liberalism you have done nothing but built invisible cages around women who are mainly used as sex symbols. The more sexually open a society, the more perverted and sexually starved are its members. Pedophilia, incest and all sorts of sickness is the norm in liberal states and if that doesn't satisfy your desires, you can always hunt down stray teenagers, chop them into pieces, have sex with the corpse and then write about it from within the prison cell as some equally sick but with less guts makes millions by writing a book about you while you spend your miserable existence in the bin.
Women empowerment you say? first university to issue certificates and degrees in the islamic world and probably in the entire world was founded by a woman in Morocco but I digress.
 

akinternational

Minister (2k+ posts)
Keep this education for yourself your sisters and daughters......such stupid SEX edu has mad India, USA and Europe a SEX Heaven....namely every 7 min a rape in USA every 14min in India and every 11 min in Europe.....not reported cases and adultry is not included...; just check it out you kafir and munafiq....Liberal000.
 
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fannekhan

Banned
An arrogant rant of a mediocre human being with no ability to get the finer details you have all it takes to make a classic case of a libral bigot.
If not religion as you claim is the reason for women's predicaments, mankind will find something else to cause them that. Being liberal shouldn't mean you have to be thick as a door knob.
In the name of liberalism you have done nothing but built invisible cages around women who are mainly used as sex symbols. The more sexually open a society, the more perverted and sexually starved are its members. Pedophilia, incest and all sorts of sickness is the norm in liberal states and if that doesn't satisfy your desires, you can always hunt down stray teenagers, chop them into pieces, have sex with the corpse and then write about it from within the prison cell as some equally sick but with less guts makes millions by writing a book about you while you spend your miserable existence in the bin.
Women empowerment you say? first university to issue certificates and degrees in the islamic world and probably in the entire world was founded by a woman in Morocco but I digress.

any suggestion how to bring ladies on equal platform with men so that they are not treated like lesser humans ? if men have sexual desires why can't women not have it ? why men only decide fate of women ?
yes i am talking about woman empowerment .

this is a news that pervertism is more in open society , in closed society you try to hide all negative things including pervertism.so it does not exist in closed societies .
 
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fannekhan

Banned
Keep this education for yourself your sisters and daughters......such stupid SEX edu has mad India, USA and Europe a SEX Heaven....namely every 7 min a rape in USA every 14min in India and every 11 min in Europe.....not reported cases and adultry is not included...; just check it out you kafir and munafiq....Liberal000.

thank god rape has been stopped in many countries , because rapes are not recorded and reports are not written down in police stations including pakistan . (bigsmile)

india usa and europe are sex heaven ?

ha ha ha ...............do you know how many lakhs of children are used as sex slaves in pakistan ? my dear fellow do you have rape figures in pakistan at hand ? do you have any figure how many girls have been killed in cold blood in the name of ghairat ?

i have pity on your level of ignorance ,
 
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abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
well done lady ,when men are free to have four biwis why not a single woman have four husbands ? (bigsmile)
women are coming forward when they get themselves free from the jail of men , that is possible only when they get educated and become independent ,
men can't stand any woman talking eye to eye with them , this is mostly in underdeveloped countries. so even educated men try to keep women uneducated so she can not compete with them , this hurts ego of men.
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what a bs comment , discrimination against women exist all over the world not just in charrr biwi culture which only rich sheikhs can afford,

, jiss aurat koe joe kae very very small percentage hae agurr desire hae toe woe kisee kae leeae nahee ruktee as too many willing men ready 24/7,

above Egyptian muslim lady is wrong,

aisaa koiee issue yaaa priorty nahee hae in any women of the world, theirn pority is soul mate commitment FIRST then yes natural stuff.

Male dominance chauvinisim exist universally infact women abused more in GHETTOS of western countries as MEn get drunk and beat up their female.

Phunnukhan why being Indian bhartee you care about Pakistani siasat Forum, your views are so annoying KEEYA MODI nae taeree Gmaarr kae neekal deeya that's why.chotuphunnukhan
 
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abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
thank god rape has been stopped in many countries , because rapes are not recorded and reports are not written down in police stations including pakistan . (bigsmile)

india usa and europe are sex heaven ?

ha ha ha ...............do you know how many lakhs of children are used as sex slaves in pakistan ? my dear fellow do you have rape figures in pakistan at hand ? do you have any figure how many girls have been killed in cold blood in the name of ghairat ?

i have pity on your level of ignorance ,


AJJJ KUL TOE INDIA BLOODY BHARUTT MEI TOE RAPEEPIDEMIC HAE, PAKISTAN MEIN RAPE IS LESSS THAN INDIA, THESE DAYS WE HAVE MILITARY COURTS, INSANT PHANSEE, PAKISTANI rapist bheeindia bhaggg gae hein ubb bhrutt kaaa baja bujjae gaa
 

fannekhan

Banned
what a bs comment , discrimination against women exist all over the world not just in charrr biwi culture which only rich sheikhs can afford,

, jiss aurat koe joe kae very very small percentage hae agurr desire hae toe woe kisee kae leeae nahee ruktee as too many willing men ready 24/7,

above Egyptian muslim lady is wrong,

aisaa koiee issue yaaa priorty nahee hae in any women of the world, theirn pority is soul mate commitment FIRST then yes natural stuff.

Male dominance chauvinisim exist universally infact women abused more in GHETTOS of western countries as MEn get drunk and beat up their female.

Phunnukhan why being Indian bhartee you care about Pakistani siasat Forum, your views are so annoying KEEYA MODI nae taeree Gmaarr kae neekal deeya that's why.chotuphunnukhan


well well well ...............no need to get out of your pajama .(bigsmile)

first read my comments , i am talking about places where ladies are not treated equal . not in pakistan only.

you have typical mulla type outlook of western world , they treat their women better than us .
 
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fannekhan

Banned
AJJJ KUL TOE INDIA BLOODY BHARUTT MEI TOE RAPEEPIDEMIC HAE, PAKISTAN MEIN RAPE IS LESSS THAN INDIA, THESE DAYS WE HAVE MILITARY COURTS, INSANT PHANSEE, PAKISTANI rapist bheeindia bhaggg gae hein ubb bhrutt kaaa baja bujjae gaa

charag pa hone ki jarurat nahi,
you are deviating from the topic please.:)
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
well well well ...............no need to get out of your pajama .(bigsmile)

first read my comments , i am talking about places where ladies are not treated equal . not in pakistan only.

you typical mulla outlook of western world , they treat their women better than us .

ok, what is MULLA outlook? nobody in Pakistan wats to be a mulla, who treat better BS, women are abused all over the world, see the abuse stats
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
any suggestion how to bring ladies on equal platform with men so that they are not treated like lesser humans ? if men have sexual desires why can't women not have it ? why men only decide fate of women ?
yes i am talking about woman empowerment .

this is a news that pervertism is more in open society , in closed society you try to hide all negative things including pervertism.so it does not exist in closed societies .

Women already have the best possible status they could ever have (edited: + in islam). I will illustrate my statement with this example the rest is up to you, I cannot spoonfeed you. There are 2 students in a classroom topping their class. Both getting lets say 450/500. Student A however scored 2 less than student B in Mathematics department, but scored 2 more in Literature.
There are aspects of life, in which a women excel, there are others where men excel and there are some where they're both equal.
Whatever troubles women go through in the islamic world is straight down right to ignorance of the people and nothing to do with Islam.
You are just cherry picking crap from the pile of shite you are dwelling on and hurling it at muslims in the name of women.
You must be very much deluded and I CANNOT stress it enough to think that the so called "Liberal" world has given a woman more respect and importance.
Allow sexual deviance in the name of freedom so that a common man is busy chasing after a dike holster and a woman jumping from one pocket rocket to another one (I cannot cleanse it more than that) so that the select few can keep doing what they do best, amassing wealth. As well as to absolve themselves (men) from their duties towards women.
Any son of a gun can get laid, only real men raise families and the only thing liberals are raising is psychopathic bastids who run around screaming Allah Akbar stabbing people just to make a certain group of people look bad.
How does a muslim women feel about herself, her faith, her hijab and what not, ask a muslim woman, not some prostitute writing jabber wacky for money and probably fame. These so called feminist/liberals are usually the saddest lot, they're so fricking sad they even disagree with themselves.
I am done here.
 
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Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
thank god rape has been stopped in many countries , because rapes are not recorded and reports are not written down in police stations including pakistan . (bigsmile)

india usa and europe are sex heaven ?

ha ha ha ...............do you know how many lakhs of children are used as sex slaves in pakistan ? my dear fellow do you have rape figures in pakistan at hand ? do you have any figure how many girls have been killed in cold blood in the name of ghairat ?

i have pity on your level of ignorance ,
Of course india/usa etc have a higher rape rate you like I said you must be deluded to think otherwise and biased for a fact. Clearly you've never stepped outside India. Go to thailand for instance, or combodia, maybe vietnam, you will find many a white men hounding for minors. South east asia is especially a white pedophile's haven.
The only ignorant here is you who is programmed into thinking the west has a superior social system. If it were, there wouldn't be any jails, foster houses and the amount of babies people desert. You must think whatever is portrayed in Bollywood actually renders the actual India lol goodness gracious.
Now I am done. And I am putting you on permanent ignore since I don't waste time one monotonous bigots whose real reason to be here is to hate on Pakistan while denying the fact that India is these days known as rapistan. Even your idol, the white man thinks so. India is the least favorable place for a woman to work on, do some research and most importantly soul searching before you start spewing your very obscene thoughts.
 

Deen2

MPA (400+ posts)
I feel user fannykhan is to tick off Muslim women dividers focus on divide Muslim men from women in their own respective society! Fannykhan get a life for the record.
 

360turn

Minister (2k+ posts)
I feel user fannykhan is to tick off Muslim women dividers focus on divide Muslim men from women in their own respective society! Fannykhan get a life for the record.

Yes it's true, fannykhan is paid gossip monger with no positive replies on siasat forum's.
For the number of posts directed towards division is her main sole purpose simply.
 

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