Saudis in BIG in Trouble! - Congress overrides Obama's 9/11 bill veto - Now Victims can Sue Saudis f

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The president vetoed a bill that would allow citizens to sue foreign governments for terrorism on U.S. soil. Video provided by Newsy Newslook



WASHINGTON The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to override President Obama's veto of legislation allowing lawsuits against foreign sponsors of terrorism, setting up an almost certain and historic defeat for the White House on the bill.

The House is expected to follow suit within hours, making it the first veto of Obamas presidency that has been overturned by Congress.

Obama vetoed the legislation Friday because he said the bill known as the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, or JASTA would infringe on the presidents ability to conduct foreign policy. It was the 12th veto of his presidency.



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But after an intense, lengthy push by 9/11 survivors and families of victims who want to sue Saudi Arabia based on claims the country played a role in the 2001 terror attack, even Obamas Democratic allies on Capitol Hill voted to override his veto. The final vote tally was 97-1. Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-.Nev., cast the sole vote against override.

"In our polarized politics of today, this is pretty much close to a miraculous occurrence," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas. Democrats and Republicans in both cambers have agreed, he said, that the bill "gives the victims of the terrorist attack on our own soil an opportunity to seek the justice they deserve.".


The top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said he shared some of Obama's concerns but said the victims' rights outweighed them.


"We cannot in good conscience close the courthouse door to those families who have suffered unimaginable losses," Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., said.


Over in the House, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has already signaled she will vote to override the veto.


I've worked with these families for a very long time, and I think they should have their day in court, she told reporters.

The measure was approved in the House by voice vote earlier this month and sailed through the Senate by unanimous consent in May. In recent weeks, however, there has been some pushback against the bill, which would create an exception to sovereign immunity, the doctrine that holds one country cant be sued in another countrys courts.

Former ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton and former U.S. Attorney Michael Mukasey, both of whom served under President George W. Bush, warned in a Wall Street Journal op-ed earlier this month that the legislation could open Americans to such suits abroad.

An errant drone strike that kills non-combatants in Afghanistan could easily trigger lawsuits demanding that U.S. military or intelligence personnel be hauled into foreign courts, they wrote.

Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee, and committee Chairman Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, have reached out to colleagues in recent days asking them to reconsider support for the bill. Thornberry sent them a letter saying that in addition to putting Americans abroad in legal jeopardy, the move undermines the United States reliability as an ally.


We must work with other nations, even imperfect ones, he wrote. Requiring their government officials to participate in and give testimony in lawsuits even when nothing has been proven will create tensions and lead to less cooperation. I believe the net result will harm our security.

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Anuj76

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

Serve them right. Al Saud clan was the creation of western terrorist invaders. These child rapist rulers enjoy dead palestinians, keep secret funds in Jewish banks, now the Jews will take away their haram earned stolen money of Muslims.

No more Al Saud al haram tribe, roads blocks in eastern Saudia already by the public. These satanic rulers days are numbered. Mecca and Madina should in the control of a Muslim governing body.

Pakistan Turkey Iran, Indonesia and Malaysia. I wanth Beace and young boys to molest. Yaa Biskeen Pakistanis.
 
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atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

سعودی شہری مبینہ طور پر افغانستان میں بیٹھ کر امریکا بہادر پر حملہ کرنے کی منصوبہ بندی کرتے ہیں. افغانستان سے ٹھوک بجا کر بدلہ لے لیا. عراق کو لپیٹ لیا. پندرہ سال بعد سعودیہ کا نمبر بھی لگ گیا. اگلے سالوں میں کسی اور ملک پر بھی نظر کرم ہو سکتی ہے

لیکن

کیا امریکہ اور برطانیہ نے جھوٹی دستاویزات کی بنیاد پر عراق پر حملہ کرنے کے جرم کا ہرجانہ ادا کر دیا؟
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

امریکہ اور برطانیہ نے جھوٹی دستاویزات کی بنیاد پر عراق پر حملہ کرنے کے جرم کا ہرجانہ ادا کر دیا

lol you forget your own saying Jiski Lathi Uski Bufalo
 

Anuj76

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

Ahh right on cue, a paid troll with a fake ID defending Terrorist Jews and terrorist Israel and the urine drinkers the Hindu buneeyaas. We know who jew are liberal 000 pedophile.
 

tz00007

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

if you are not biased, then you should know that both saudi arabia and iran are the major cause of all the problems... both countries rulers should be changed... al saud and khomeni both serve their interests...



Serve them right. Al Saud clan was the creation of western terrorist invaders. These child rapist rulers enjoy dead palestinians, keep secret funds in Jewish banks, now the Jews will take away their haram earned stolen money of Muslims.

No more Al Saud al haram tribe, roads blocks in eastern Saudia already by the public. These satanic rulers days are numbered. Mecca and Madina should in the control of a Muslim governing body.

Pakistan Turkey Iran, Indonesia and Malaysia. I wanth Beace and young boys to molest. Yaa Biskeen Pakistanis.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
9/11 Victims Might be able to Sue Saudi Arabia After Congress Overrides Obama's Veto

WASHINGTON U.S. Congress on Wednesday voted overwhelmingly to override President Barack Obamas veto of legislation that would allow 9/11 victims families to sue the Saudi Arabian government over its alleged support for the terrorists who carried out the attacks.

The votes in the House and Senate amounted to a sweeping, bipartisan rejection of the White Houses argument that the legislation poses a national security threat because it could expose U.S. officials to similar lawsuits abroad.Overriding a presidential veto is something we dont take lightly, but it was important in this case that the families of the victims of 9/11 be allowed to pursue justice, even if that pursuit causes some diplomatic discomforts, Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., who co-authored the bill with Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement.

Traveling aboard Air Force One Wednesday, White House press secretary Josh Earnest called the vote the single most embarrassing thing the United States Senate has done possibly since 1983, when Congress overwhelmingly voted to overridePresident Ronald Reagans veto of an Oregon land transfer bill.

Ultimately these senators are going to have to answer their own conscience and their constituents as they account for their actions today, Earnest said, noting that at least one GOP senator said some of his colleagues had failed to read the bill before voting on it initially. To have members of the United States Senate only recently informed of the negative impact of this bill on our service members and our diplomats is in itself embarrassing.

The Senate vote was 97 to 1 and the House tally was 348 to 77.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., cast the lone vote to sustain the veto after receiving a letter from Obama arguing the consequences could be devastating, and urging him to vote to sustain the veto.In the letter, which Obama sent Tuesday to both Reid and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the president said that he was fully committed to assisting the families of the victims of terrorist attacks of Sept. 11″ but the legislation would put military and other U.S. officials overseas at risk. The bills enactment, he warned, would neither protect Americans from terrorist attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks.

Reid voted against the override despite telling reporters earlier this month that I support that legislation and Schumers efforts.
Hes always had the presidents back, said Reid spokesman Adam Jentleson.McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said the president called the majority leader after the override vote was scheduled, but neither the conservation nor the letter did anything to change his mind.

The sharp rebuke of the president is a sign that Saudi Arabias fortunes are waning on Capitol Hill. The Saudi government has denied it had any ties to the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks and has lobbied fiercely against the bill. But victims families have pushed for the legislation so they can press their case in courts, and lawmakers who support the measure argue Saudi Arabia should not be concerned if it did nothing wrong.

Last week, the Senate voted on a resolution to restrict arms sales to Saudi Arabia until it stops targeting civilians in Yemen.
This is not a time when U.S.-Saudi relations have much popular support on either side, said Gregory Gause, head of the international affairs department at Texas A&M Universitys Bush School of Government and Public Service. Just as the Saudis think the administration has tilted too closely to Iran, he said, many U.S. politicians blame Saudi Arabia for the globe spread of Sunni extremism. I think thats really simplistic.

Both chambers passed the 9/11 legislation without dissent earlier this year. But now, several lawmakers are echoing the White House argument that the legislation could set a dangerous precedent, inviting other nations to respond by suing American diplomats, military personnel and other officials in foreign courts.Critics of the bill are now focusing on how to scale back the measure once it becomes law. Approximately 20 senators have signed a letter expressing their intention to return to the issue during the lame duck session if the new law generates negative consequences.

We see the writing on the wall: The override is going to occur, said Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker, R-Tenn., who has been leading efforts to negotiate a narrower alternative, before the vote.Corker is one of several members who argue the bill, which would allow courts to waive claims to foreign sovereign immunity in situations involving acts of terrorism on U.S. soil, is so broad that it could expose the United States to retaliation in foreign courts.

He complained that if the bill becomes law what you really do is you end up exporting your foreign policy to trial lawyers, adding that U.S. personnel might find themselves dragged into lawsuits abroad over American drone use in Pakistan and Afghanistan, or even its support for Israel.Yet he and other senators who expressed similar concerns elected, in the end, to vote for the override.

Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, said he voted for the override because concrete benefit for the 9/11 victims families outweighed speculative detriment to American officials and foreign relations.
In a letter Monday to House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, and ranking member Adam Smith, D-Wash., Defense Secretary Ashton Carter warned that allowing the bill to become law risked damaging our close and effective cooperation with other countries and could ultimately have a chilling effect on our own counter-terrorism efforts.

Thornberry and Smith both circulated letters among members in the last few days, urging them to vote against overriding the veto.CIA Director John Brennan also warned of the 9/11 bills grave implications for the national security of the United States in a statement Wednesday.Critics guessed their colleagues might be more open to scaling back the measure after observing any international blowback once it becomes law. Corker said he is working with Senate Foreign Relations Committee ranking member Ben Cardin, D-Md. who also supported the override Wednesday in the hopes that during the lame duck, maybe theres a way to be successful in tightening this up.

One alternative lawmakers have discussed is limiting the measure to the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, as a way of satisfying the demands of the 9/11 victims families without opening the United States to continuing diplomatic and legal problems.
Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said in an interview that it could take time to grasp the bills full implications, and there may be some time to tweak the law before some of the most damaging consequences become clear.

But the biggest issue is that it opens up government agencies to court-ordered discovery, Alterman said, adding that the federal government could face lawsuits from those who have been victims of drone strikes and other American military activities. Its not limited to Saudi Arabia, and its likely to have a much larger impact on the U.S. government than the Saudi government, because the U.S. government takes rules very seriously.While White House staffers have reached out to certain members of Congress, Obama did not launch an all-out lobbying push to pull members away from this bill.

I know of no counting or anything theyve asked me to do on that, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters Tuesday. Pelosi intends to vote to override Obamas veto.Supporters have not warmed to any of the alternative proposals critics are floating and Cornyn dismissed the idea Congress will revisit the legislation later this year.

As far as Im concerned, this bill is a done deal, Cornyn said. Obviously any senator or group of senators can offer any additional legislation they want, and well take it up in due course.

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Liaqat Hussain

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سعودی پہلے ہی کنگلے ہو رہے ہیں. ابّ تو بلکل تباہ ہو جائیں گے
جو بھی سعودی پیسہ امریکا میں پڑا ہے، سب امریکیوں نے ہڑپ لے لینا ہے
یاد رکھنا، امریکا صرف اپنے مفاد کا دوست ہے. سعودیوں کے دن ختم ہو گئے
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
They want to get money out of them. Would not be surprised if Obama wanted the same.

I doubt it as he vetoed the bill but I think Hillary will be friendlier to the House of Saud even though she says otherwise because she has deep connections with people lobbying for Saudi Arabia
 

Anuj76

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Senate overwhelmingly votes to override Obama veto on 9/11 Saudi bill

Cleanse your mind of hatred, I sense you don't like Iran, because they are shias? 100% education in Iran, 100 % child rapist ruler I Al Saudi Arabia. Treason against Islam, Iran 100% pro Islamic ideologies, knows the real ENEMY OF ISLAM, Israhell, AMERICA.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
​This could be a good thing, now the courts can investigate 9/11.

اب وہ صفحے بھی جلد ہی منظر عام پر آ جائیں گے جو نو سمتبر کی رپورٹ میں سفید رکھے گئے تھے کہ سعودیہ حکومت کیسے اس میں ملوث تھی
جن کی تعداد میرے خیال میں سو سے زیادہ ہے

 

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