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Farhan wrote on January 1, 2011.
In this whole topic many ayets r taken from www.quran.com a muslim website with quran translation. Note verses number may had been (due to mis numbering of verses in quran) one step forwarded or backwarded a little. Forexample: in place of 2:256 maybe 2:255 or 2:257 is written.
>>> total 4 topics.
TOPIC 1: HOW OLD WAS AISHA WHEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD? DID PROPHET MUHAMMAD MARRY A 9 YEAR OLD? THIS IS A LIE, SHE WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD AT THAT TIME, SHE WAS ATLEAST 17 OR ABOVE.
The Quran was written during the time of Prophet Muhammad and its 100% authentic! Nowhere in The Quran is it mentioned about the Prophet's marriage! But its mentioned in the Hadiths!
BUT LETS SEE WHAT THESE HADITHS SAY
The Prophet married Aisha 1 year after Hijrah! This is a known fact!
POINT 1
According to Sahih Bukhari (which is the most authentic) of the hadiths!According to Sahih Bukhari, Aisha is reported to have said that at the time
Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th Chapter of the Quran, was revealed, "I was a young girl"
The 54th surah of The Quran was revealed nine years before Hijrah. So Aisha was a young girl (jariyah), and not an infant (sibyah) at that time!
the prophet married aisha one year after hijrah! sonow we know she was a young girl, 9 years beforehijrah!so even if for example she was 7 years old when shesaid "i was a young girl", then she married the prophet 10 years after that! which means she was over 17 years old when the prophet married her!
POINT 2
According to a number of narratives, Aisha accompanied the Muslims in the Battle of Badr and Uhud. It was usual for women to accompany men in battle so they can help in looking after the wounded. It was a strict rule that noone under the age of 15 was allowed to accompany anyone in battle!
battle of badr was 2 years after hijrah and battle of uhud was 3 years after hijrah! remember prophet muhammad married her 1 year
after hijrah! which means she could never have been 9 years old
when the prophet married her!
POINT 3
It is a known fact that the Asma, (the elder sister of Aisha) was 10 years older than Aisha. It is reported that Asma died 73 years after Hijrah when she was 100 years old! Now, Obviously if Asma was 100 years old 73 years after Hijrah, then Asma should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah! If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at Hijrah, then Aisha would be 17 or 18 years old at Hijrah!
remember prophet muhammad married aisha 1 yearafter hijrah! so that means aisha was 18 or 19 years old when she got married!
POINT 4
Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (father of Aisha) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during pre Islamic period! If Aisha was born before in the Pre Islamic period, then she would be more
than 13 years old during Hijrah!
remember prophet married her 1 year after hijrah, which means she would be more that 14 years old during the time of marriage!
POINT 5
According to Ibn Hisham, Aisha accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab. Umar ibn Khattab accepted Islam roughly 7 years before Hijrah! Obviously, she would have been a young girl when she accpeted Islam!
IN SHORT:::
OK now , all Abu Bakr children were born in Jahilya (pre Islam) , since the Prophet staid in Mecca 12 years after , and since she married the prophet 1 or 2 yaers after Hijrah to Madina she was no way near 9 years at that time , also it has been recorded that Aisha said she was a young girl (not an infant) when Surat Alqamar (54th chapter of Qur'an) was revealed which was revealed nine years before Hijra to Madina , according to most historians Asma the elder sister to Aisha was 10 years older than Aisha , Asma died at the age of 100 in the 73rd year of hijra which means she was 27 at the time of Hijra which makes Aisha 17 years at that time.If some still insists that aisha was 9(nine) then tell me how a nine year old more like six year old said she wants to marry a 51 year old man? This is ridiculous. It goes against quran, quran says u cannot get a girl married without her permission. Its not about aisha reached puberty at age 9 but its about how did she say, aaaaaaaaa nine year old, that she wants to marry a 51 year old guy. since mohammad lived his live according to quran then it leaves to one answer that many hadiths are
fabricated, If still some one say “okay aisha was atleast 17 but mohammad was 51 at that time. how wiered is that?”
Khadija bint khawilad (Twice widowed before) was 40 years old when she married mohammad, mohammad was 25 years old at that time, Twice widowed before
Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %
Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%
There were many wifes (+widowed) of mohammad who were much older then him. If u still think that marriage of a 17 year od girl with a 51 year old man is wrong then there r many marriages happening in the present which are like this case, forexample a 25 year old girl married some 79 or something year old man ad the most amazing part is it happened in the
west, it’s a god damn love marriage. What’s ur problem? Goto this site and check it out some couples with serious age difference who had love marraige
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16141277/Did-Prophet-Muh...
TOPIC 2:NOW CONCERNING WITH THE SHARIA LAW STUFF.
The following historical incident (of writing hadiths) happened about 30 (or more) years after the death of the Prophet Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never canceled his order, not to write any other books(like hadith books) other then the Quran.
Wasn’t hadith suppose to be about the life of prophet? Then were these laws came from in hadiths many of which go against quran , I will show how wrong hadiths are and sharia laws are only from Quran, forexample,
quran says in 2:256 “there is no compulsion in this religion”
meaning noooooo forcing rather its about leaving islam or accepting islam ,but when u read hadith then it says any one who leaves islam and then propogates his new religion then kill him,
‘Whoever change his Islamic religion, then kill him.’" (Bukhari, Apostates, no. 6922)
This is wrong, killing innocent is wrong, if u still say hadith is right then read quran, quran say don’t hurt or kill inocent people, the guy who leaves islam just couldn’t bring himself to believe in quran, thats all, he is still innocent.
Quran says 5:54 “O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the
blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.”
Meaning if some one among muslims leaves islam then allah will just send strong muslims in place of him meaning no killing the guy who left islam, killing a person who is leaving islam kind of suff is only in hadiths.
Quran no were says to kill those who make fun of ur religion but only hadiths say it, like what is happening to asia bibi because of hadiths.
6:70 “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah:
if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.”
Quran says who ever makes fun of ur believe but still listens to what u say then be kind to him and guide him to the right path, but hadiths say blahsemy and death sentences ********. like what his happening to asia bibi(its not like she killed some one, she is still innocent). But what quran says if the guy who is making fun of ur religion is just a maniac dumbass and dont wants to listen. about such people quran says.
5:57 “O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).”
6:68 “And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversion. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.”
ANYTHING THAT GOES AGAINST QURAN IN HADITHS, DELETE IT, DESTROY IT.
the laws(sharia laws) for emplemetation should only be according to Quran, not Quran + Hadith, and these sharia laws can only be established in a muslim state were real true muslims live in majority, not only by name muslims (just because ur name is abdullah doesnt makes u a muslim if u still say that having a muslim name is enough to be a muslim then all those rapists,thugs n thieves in prisons with muslim names r also muslim and wil go to heaven which is wrong).
how come, at the time of Prophet,all the writtings (hadith) were destroyed,by the all the caliphs, and after 230 yrs these books were written again in direct defiance of Prophet Muhammed command.
in quran Allah says,
39:23 “Quran is the Best Hadith”
If u still thing im lieng then read what is written next, its kinda funny but hadith itself says “dont write me”.
TOPIC 3:MUHAMMED FORBIDS THE WRITING OF HADITHS
Mohammad said that quran is a book from god, mohammad never said that hadith books arefrom God. Because God knows that some sincere believers will get lost and will be looking into the Hadith books for guidance, God insisted on putting enough signs for those sincere ones to see for themselves that these fabrications are not from God and rather an idol-worship practice condemned by God and His messenger.
Hadiths books have enough material to direct the sincere believer to stick ONLY to the Quran as God ordered us. We do not need the proof herein from the hadith books, but we include it here to show the how God plans to expose the disbeliedvers and the hypocrites
(1) Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me except quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."
The following historical incident (of writing hadiths) happened about 30 (or more) years after the death of the Prophet Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never canceled his order not to write but the Quran. The hadiths books however contained some fabricated hadiths that are considered by the same Hadiths scholars as very weak, trying to indicate that Muhammed changed his view about writing the hadiths. The readers of the hadith to follow, that happened
about 30 years after the death of the Prophet, will conclude by themselves that the Prophet Muhammed never authorized the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write but the Quran.
(2) From Ibn Hanbal;
Zayd
Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write anything of his hadith,"
(3) The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God." He said, "A book other than the book of God ?!" We said, "Should we talk about you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire.
(4) In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.
(5) Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad book, narrates a hadith in which Abdullah Ibn Omar said, "the messenger of God one day came out to us as if he was going to depart us soon and said, "When I depart you (die), hold to the book of God, prohibit what it prohibits and accept as halal what it
makes halal."
He (mohammad) never mentioned to follow the Sunna in this hadiths.
(6) Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, " I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me a permission."
Now the most important Question,why didnt these people who wrote tens of volumes of hadith books
"obey allah and obey rasool"
how come this disobedience to Allah Allmighty and Rasool could be part of Islam.
SOURCE(S):
is Glorious quran difficult to understand ,is Glorious Quran Not Complete/detailed/perfect.
did Prophet give us incomplete Quran,if Glorious Quran doesnt have the details as majority practice does it make it Incomplete ! cant our practice be wrong ! why cant we compare our faulty practices with Glorious Quran, and disregard the extra more practices why cant we make
Glorious Quran as our judge for our practices !.
most common question how to pray ! where is it written in hadith books how to pray !
EDIT:
Glorious Quran talks about Allah's Sunnah and does not even mention Muhammed's sunnah, sunnah in Glorious Quran means unchangable system.
probably the most abused verse in the Quran, 59: 7, in part, "...Whatever the Messenger gives you, you shall take and whatever he prohibits, you shall refrain from." to legitimize and mandate the acceptance of the Hadeeth and the 'sunna'. !! this is concerning FAY. and not a free mandate to go deviate from Glorious Quran,see 69:40-47,17:73-75.
why dont people follow the sunnah, by marrying their 6-9 yrs old daughters to a 50 yrs old man ! i am Certain Prophet never married 6-9 yrs old Ayesha witch i proved in start.
TOPIC 4:WHAT QURAN SAYS ABOUT SECTS(FIRQAH’s) IN ISLAM ?
30:30-35 “So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. [Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be (one) of those who associate others with Allah [Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects(firqah’s: shia, sunnih etc), every faction rejoicing in what it has. And when adversity touches the people, they call upon their Lord, turning in repentance to Him. Then when He lets them taste mercy from Him, at once a party of them associate others with their Lord, So that they will deny what We have granted them. Then enjoy yourselves, for you are going to know. Or have We sent down to them an authority, and it speaks of what they were associating with Him?”
here clairly Allah forbids of making firqa's and since firqa's exist due to conflicts in hadiths then if u only follow quran only or Quran+hadiths (excluding those hadiths which conflict with quran and those which creates sects (firqas) ) then firqa's will vanish.
So if any one asks u that which sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) u belong to then just say ur a muslim because if u say u belong to some sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) then ur going against one of the basic laws in quran, meaning ur going against Allah, meaning ur picking a fight with Allah, in other words ur not a muslim to begin with if u say u belong to some sect (firqah’s :shia, sunnih etc).
For starters, if any one asks u that which sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) u belong to then just say ur a muslim, thats it, this is the first step in removing of these sects (firqah's : shia, sunnih etc) among us and uniting muslims
In another place Allah says in quran that he made these sects to test us.
In another place in quran Alah says that only one group (Note: the word is group not firqah) among muslims will go to heaven.
And to know why these sects (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) are proven wrong here ? here is the answer in quran.
6:20-21 “And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.”
Okay now go back words, mohammad lived his life according to quran to become an example then sunnah should be according to quran meaning following quran(only) is same as following the way of life of mohammad (hadith books) thus meaning no need of hadith books.
the laws(sharia laws) for emplemetation should only be according to Quran, not Quran + Hadith, and these sharia laws can only be established in a muslim state were real muslims live in majority, not only by name muslims (just because ur name is abdullah doesnt makes u a muslim if u still say that having a muslim name is enough to be a muslim then all those rapists,thugs n thieves in prisons with muslim names r also muslim and wil go to heaven which is wrong).
MORE INFO CONCERNING WITH SECTS(FIRQAH’s: SHIA,SUNNIH etc) IN ISLAM. DONT SAY U BELONG TO A SECT(FIRQAH’s: SHIA,SUNNIH etc)
sunnih’s have there own hadith books similarly shia’s have there own hadith books, let me show u how sects in islam are formed because of these hadiths, Prophet's last sermon , witnessed by around 100,000 people according to history , why 3 different accounts !! each chain and matn to be so called ' authentic ' !!
1)- First version, " I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Family. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; Ibn Hanbal
4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
This is the version made up by the Shiite Muslims.
2)-Second version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Sunnah" . Muwatta, 46/3
This is the version made up by the Sunni Muslims.
3)- Third version,
"I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God." Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud
11/56.
the Messenger did not leave anything behind him except the Quran. There is even a tradition in “Bukhari” considered to be the most authentic book of Ahadis, which runs as follows: Ibn Abbas was asked: What did the Messenger leave (for his community)? He said “He did not leave anything except the Quran.” (Bukhari, Volume III Kitab Fazailul-Quran.)
After the death of the Messenger, his companions did their best to preserve and promulgate the Quran but what did they do about the Ahadis? Did they try to preserve and promulgate them?
In ‘Tazkiratul Haffaz’ it is said about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (the first Caliph): “After the death of the Messenger, he once collected the people and told them, ‘you relate the sayings of the Messenger and you differ
amongst yourselves about it. Those people who come after you shall differ more. So do not tell any hadiths of the Messenger. If anybody asks you about the sayings of the Messenger, tell him that the Book of God is present between you and me. All that is said to be lawful in it should be considered and all that is said to be unlawful in it should be considered to be unlawful.”
Omar was even more strict about it. A tradition runs as follows – Abu Huraira was asked – “Did you relate Ahadis during the time of Omar?” He said “Omar would have beaten me with his stick, if I had done so.” Once the issue of bringing the Ahadis of the Messenger into writing was
brought before Omar who thought over it for one month and said, “There was a mention of bringing the Ahadis into writing. But when I thought over it, there came into my mind the state of a nation who wrote a book themselves and became so much absorbed in it that they forsook the Book of God. By God, I shall not mix up the Book of God with anything else.”
Even till the end of the first four Caliphates there is no trace of any Ahadis being collected by the Caliphs themselves or being collected under their supervision. In 100A.H. some Ahadis were collected during the Khilafat of Omer Bin Abdul Aziz. After this, Imam Ibn Shahab Zahri (died 124A.H.) prepared a small collection of Ahadis, under orders of the then Caliph, about which he himself said that he did not like. But these two collections did not last long, although the latter collections have quoted from them. The first such collection of Ahadis which is available at present is by Imam Malik (died 179A.H.). different copies of this collection of Ahadis increased in number and volumes. Most well-known collections are “Sahih Bukhari” and “Muslim.” Bukhari died in 256A.H. He collected 600,000 Ahadis out of which he selected 2,630 for entry into his book and rejected the rest on account of their unreliability.
WHAT ARE U IF U STILL DON’T BELIEVE IN WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOVE
These are three qualities that Allah Almighty described the hypocrites with – deaf, they do not listen to or hear the truth; dumb, they do not speak the truth; blind, they do not see what the truth is nor do they see by the truth. And because their senses are thus blocked from knowledge, they will not return from their wandering and from their hypocrisy
ARIGATO!!!! FOR READING!, I HOPE U GAINED SOME GOOD KNOWLEDGE! (www.millatfacebook.com)
Farhan wrote on January 1, 2011.
In this whole topic many ayets r taken from www.quran.com a muslim website with quran translation. Note verses number may had been (due to mis numbering of verses in quran) one step forwarded or backwarded a little. Forexample: in place of 2:256 maybe 2:255 or 2:257 is written.
>>> total 4 topics.
TOPIC 1: HOW OLD WAS AISHA WHEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD? DID PROPHET MUHAMMAD MARRY A 9 YEAR OLD? THIS IS A LIE, SHE WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD AT THAT TIME, SHE WAS ATLEAST 17 OR ABOVE.
The Quran was written during the time of Prophet Muhammad and its 100% authentic! Nowhere in The Quran is it mentioned about the Prophet's marriage! But its mentioned in the Hadiths!
BUT LETS SEE WHAT THESE HADITHS SAY
The Prophet married Aisha 1 year after Hijrah! This is a known fact!
POINT 1
According to Sahih Bukhari (which is the most authentic) of the hadiths!According to Sahih Bukhari, Aisha is reported to have said that at the time
Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th Chapter of the Quran, was revealed, "I was a young girl"
The 54th surah of The Quran was revealed nine years before Hijrah. So Aisha was a young girl (jariyah), and not an infant (sibyah) at that time!
the prophet married aisha one year after hijrah! sonow we know she was a young girl, 9 years beforehijrah!so even if for example she was 7 years old when shesaid "i was a young girl", then she married the prophet 10 years after that! which means she was over 17 years old when the prophet married her!
POINT 2
According to a number of narratives, Aisha accompanied the Muslims in the Battle of Badr and Uhud. It was usual for women to accompany men in battle so they can help in looking after the wounded. It was a strict rule that noone under the age of 15 was allowed to accompany anyone in battle!
battle of badr was 2 years after hijrah and battle of uhud was 3 years after hijrah! remember prophet muhammad married her 1 year
after hijrah! which means she could never have been 9 years old
when the prophet married her!
POINT 3
It is a known fact that the Asma, (the elder sister of Aisha) was 10 years older than Aisha. It is reported that Asma died 73 years after Hijrah when she was 100 years old! Now, Obviously if Asma was 100 years old 73 years after Hijrah, then Asma should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah! If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at Hijrah, then Aisha would be 17 or 18 years old at Hijrah!
remember prophet muhammad married aisha 1 yearafter hijrah! so that means aisha was 18 or 19 years old when she got married!
POINT 4
Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (father of Aisha) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during pre Islamic period! If Aisha was born before in the Pre Islamic period, then she would be more
than 13 years old during Hijrah!
remember prophet married her 1 year after hijrah, which means she would be more that 14 years old during the time of marriage!
POINT 5
According to Ibn Hisham, Aisha accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab. Umar ibn Khattab accepted Islam roughly 7 years before Hijrah! Obviously, she would have been a young girl when she accpeted Islam!
IN SHORT:::
OK now , all Abu Bakr children were born in Jahilya (pre Islam) , since the Prophet staid in Mecca 12 years after , and since she married the prophet 1 or 2 yaers after Hijrah to Madina she was no way near 9 years at that time , also it has been recorded that Aisha said she was a young girl (not an infant) when Surat Alqamar (54th chapter of Qur'an) was revealed which was revealed nine years before Hijra to Madina , according to most historians Asma the elder sister to Aisha was 10 years older than Aisha , Asma died at the age of 100 in the 73rd year of hijra which means she was 27 at the time of Hijra which makes Aisha 17 years at that time.If some still insists that aisha was 9(nine) then tell me how a nine year old more like six year old said she wants to marry a 51 year old man? This is ridiculous. It goes against quran, quran says u cannot get a girl married without her permission. Its not about aisha reached puberty at age 9 but its about how did she say, aaaaaaaaa nine year old, that she wants to marry a 51 year old guy. since mohammad lived his live according to quran then it leaves to one answer that many hadiths are
fabricated, If still some one say “okay aisha was atleast 17 but mohammad was 51 at that time. how wiered is that?”
Khadija bint khawilad (Twice widowed before) was 40 years old when she married mohammad, mohammad was 25 years old at that time, Twice widowed before
Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %
Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%
There were many wifes (+widowed) of mohammad who were much older then him. If u still think that marriage of a 17 year od girl with a 51 year old man is wrong then there r many marriages happening in the present which are like this case, forexample a 25 year old girl married some 79 or something year old man ad the most amazing part is it happened in the
west, it’s a god damn love marriage. What’s ur problem? Goto this site and check it out some couples with serious age difference who had love marraige
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16141277/Did-Prophet-Muh...
TOPIC 2:NOW CONCERNING WITH THE SHARIA LAW STUFF.
The following historical incident (of writing hadiths) happened about 30 (or more) years after the death of the Prophet Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never canceled his order, not to write any other books(like hadith books) other then the Quran.
Wasn’t hadith suppose to be about the life of prophet? Then were these laws came from in hadiths many of which go against quran , I will show how wrong hadiths are and sharia laws are only from Quran, forexample,
quran says in 2:256 “there is no compulsion in this religion”
meaning noooooo forcing rather its about leaving islam or accepting islam ,but when u read hadith then it says any one who leaves islam and then propogates his new religion then kill him,
‘Whoever change
This is wrong, killing innocent is wrong, if u still say hadith is right then read quran, quran say don’t hurt or kill inocent people, the guy who leaves islam just couldn’t bring himself to believe in quran, thats all, he is still innocent.
Quran says 5:54 “O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the
blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.”
Meaning if some one among muslims leaves islam then allah will just send strong muslims in place of him meaning no killing the guy who left islam, killing a person who is leaving islam kind of suff is only in hadiths.
Quran no were says to kill those who make fun of ur religion but only hadiths say it, like what is happening to asia bibi because of hadiths.
6:70 “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah:
if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.”
Quran says who ever makes fun of ur believe but still listens to what u say then be kind to him and guide him to the right path, but hadiths say blahsemy and death sentences ********. like what his happening to asia bibi(its not like she killed some one, she is still innocent). But what quran says if the guy who is making fun of ur religion is just a maniac dumbass and dont wants to listen. about such people quran says.
5:57 “O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).”
6:68 “And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversion. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.”
ANYTHING THAT GOES AGAINST QURAN IN HADITHS, DELETE IT, DESTROY IT.
the laws(sharia laws) for emplemetation should only be according to Quran, not Quran + Hadith, and these sharia laws can only be established in a muslim state were real true muslims live in majority, not only by name muslims (just because ur name is abdullah doesnt makes u a muslim if u still say that having a muslim name is enough to be a muslim then all those rapists,thugs n thieves in prisons with muslim names r also muslim and wil go to heaven which is wrong).
how come, at the time of Prophet,all the writtings (hadith) were destroyed,by the all the caliphs, and after 230 yrs these books were written again in direct defiance of Prophet Muhammed command.
in quran Allah says,
39:23 “Quran is the Best Hadith”
If u still thing im lieng then read what is written next, its kinda funny but hadith itself says “dont write me”.
TOPIC 3:MUHAMMED FORBIDS THE WRITING OF HADITHS
Mohammad said that quran is a book from god, mohammad never said that hadith books arefrom God. Because God knows that some sincere believers will get lost and will be looking into the Hadith books for guidance, God insisted on putting enough signs for those sincere ones to see for themselves that these fabrications are not from God and rather an idol-worship practice condemned by God and His messenger.
Hadiths books have enough material to direct the sincere believer to stick ONLY to the Quran as God ordered us. We do not need the proof herein from the hadith books, but we include it here to show the how God plans to expose the disbeliedvers and the hypocrites
(1) Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me except quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."
The following historical incident (of writing hadiths) happened about 30 (or more) years after the death of the Prophet Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never canceled his order not to write but the Quran. The hadiths books however contained some fabricated hadiths that are considered by the same Hadiths scholars as very weak, trying to indicate that Muhammed changed his view about writing the hadiths. The readers of the hadith to follow, that happened
about 30 years after the death of the Prophet, will conclude by themselves that the Prophet Muhammed never authorized the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write but the Quran.
(2) From Ibn Hanbal;
Zayd
Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write anything of his hadith,"
(3) The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths that we hear from you, messenger of God." He said, "A book other than the book of God ?!" We said, "Should we talk about you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them in fire.
(4) In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.
(5) Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad book, narrates a hadith in which Abdullah Ibn Omar said, "the messenger of God one day came out to us as if he was going to depart us soon and said, "When I depart you (die), hold to the book of God, prohibit what it prohibits and accept as halal what it
makes halal."
He (mohammad) never mentioned to follow the Sunna in this hadiths.
(6) Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, " I asked the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me a permission."
Now the most important Question,why didnt these people who wrote tens of volumes of hadith books
"obey allah and obey rasool"
how come this disobedience to Allah Allmighty and Rasool could be part of Islam.
SOURCE(S):
is Glorious quran difficult to understand ,is Glorious Quran Not Complete/detailed/perfect.
did Prophet give us incomplete Quran,if Glorious Quran doesnt have the details as majority practice does it make it Incomplete ! cant our practice be wrong ! why cant we compare our faulty practices with Glorious Quran, and disregard the extra more practices why cant we make
Glorious Quran as our judge for our practices !.
most common question how to pray ! where is it written in hadith books how to pray !
EDIT:
Glorious Quran talks about Allah's Sunnah and does not even mention Muhammed's sunnah, sunnah in Glorious Quran means unchangable system.
probably the most abused verse in the Quran, 59: 7, in part, "...Whatever the Messenger gives you, you shall take and whatever he prohibits, you shall refrain from." to legitimize and mandate the acceptance of the Hadeeth and the 'sunna'. !! this is concerning FAY. and not a free mandate to go deviate from Glorious Quran,see 69:40-47,17:73-75.
why dont people follow the sunnah, by marrying their 6-9 yrs old daughters to a 50 yrs old man ! i am Certain Prophet never married 6-9 yrs old Ayesha witch i proved in start.
TOPIC 4:WHAT QURAN SAYS ABOUT SECTS(FIRQAH’s) IN ISLAM ?
30:30-35 “So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. [Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be (one) of those who associate others with Allah [Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects(firqah’s: shia, sunnih etc), every faction rejoicing in what it has. And when adversity touches the people, they call upon their Lord, turning in repentance to Him. Then when He lets them taste mercy from Him, at once a party of them associate others with their Lord, So that they will deny what We have granted them. Then enjoy yourselves, for you are going to know. Or have We sent down to them an authority, and it speaks of what they were associating with Him?”
here clairly Allah forbids of making firqa's and since firqa's exist due to conflicts in hadiths then if u only follow quran only or Quran+hadiths (excluding those hadiths which conflict with quran and those which creates sects (firqas) ) then firqa's will vanish.
So if any one asks u that which sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) u belong to then just say ur a muslim because if u say u belong to some sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) then ur going against one of the basic laws in quran, meaning ur going against Allah, meaning ur picking a fight with Allah, in other words ur not a muslim to begin with if u say u belong to some sect (firqah’s :shia, sunnih etc).
For starters, if any one asks u that which sect (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) u belong to then just say ur a muslim, thats it, this is the first step in removing of these sects (firqah's : shia, sunnih etc) among us and uniting muslims
In another place Allah says in quran that he made these sects to test us.
In another place in quran Alah says that only one group (Note: the word is group not firqah) among muslims will go to heaven.
And to know why these sects (firqah’s : shia, sunnih etc) are proven wrong here ? here is the answer in quran.
6:20-21 “And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.”
Okay now go back words, mohammad lived his life according to quran to become an example then sunnah should be according to quran meaning following quran(only) is same as following the way of life of mohammad (hadith books) thus meaning no need of hadith books.
the laws(sharia laws) for emplemetation should only be according to Quran, not Quran + Hadith, and these sharia laws can only be established in a muslim state were real muslims live in majority, not only by name muslims (just because ur name is abdullah doesnt makes u a muslim if u still say that having a muslim name is enough to be a muslim then all those rapists,thugs n thieves in prisons with muslim names r also muslim and wil go to heaven which is wrong).
MORE INFO CONCERNING WITH SECTS(FIRQAH’s: SHIA,SUNNIH etc) IN ISLAM. DONT SAY U BELONG TO A SECT(FIRQAH’s: SHIA,SUNNIH etc)
sunnih’s have there own hadith books similarly shia’s have there own hadith books, let me show u how sects in islam are formed because of these hadiths, Prophet's last sermon , witnessed by around 100,000 people according to history , why 3 different accounts !! each chain and matn to be so called ' authentic ' !!
1)- First version, " I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Family. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; Ibn Hanbal
4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
This is the version made up by the Shiite Muslims.
2)-Second version, "I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my Sunnah" . Muwatta, 46/3
This is the version made up by the Sunni Muslims.
3)- Third version,
"I left for you what if you hold up to, you will never be misguided, the book of God." Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud
11/56.
the Messenger did not leave anything behind him except the Quran. There is even a tradition in “Bukhari” considered to be the most authentic book of Ahadis, which runs as follows: Ibn Abbas was asked: What did the Messenger leave (for his community)? He said “He did not leave anything except the Quran.” (Bukhari, Volume III Kitab Fazailul-Quran.)
After the death of the Messenger, his companions did their best to preserve and promulgate the Quran but what did they do about the Ahadis? Did they try to preserve and promulgate them?
In ‘Tazkiratul Haffaz’ it is said about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (the first Caliph): “After the death of the Messenger, he once collected the people and told them, ‘you relate the sayings of the Messenger and you differ
amongst yourselves about it. Those people who come after you shall differ more. So do not tell any hadiths of the Messenger. If anybody asks you about the sayings of the Messenger, tell him that the Book of God is present between you and me. All that is said to be lawful in it should be considered and all that is said to be unlawful in it should be considered to be unlawful.”
Omar was even more strict about it. A tradition runs as follows – Abu Huraira was asked – “Did you relate Ahadis during the time of Omar?” He said “Omar would have beaten me with his stick, if I had done so.” Once the issue of bringing the Ahadis of the Messenger into writing was
brought before Omar who thought over it for one month and said, “There was a mention of bringing the Ahadis into writing. But when I thought over it, there came into my mind the state of a nation who wrote a book themselves and became so much absorbed in it that they forsook the Book of God. By God, I shall not mix up the Book of God with anything else.”
Even till the end of the first four Caliphates there is no trace of any Ahadis being collected by the Caliphs themselves or being collected under their supervision. In 100A.H. some Ahadis were collected during the Khilafat of Omer Bin Abdul Aziz. After this, Imam Ibn Shahab Zahri (died 124A.H.) prepared a small collection of Ahadis, under orders of the then Caliph, about which he himself said that he did not like. But these two collections did not last long, although the latter collections have quoted from them. The first such collection of Ahadis which is available at present is by Imam Malik (died 179A.H.). different copies of this collection of Ahadis increased in number and volumes. Most well-known collections are “Sahih Bukhari” and “Muslim.” Bukhari died in 256A.H. He collected 600,000 Ahadis out of which he selected 2,630 for entry into his book and rejected the rest on account of their unreliability.
WHAT ARE U IF U STILL DON’T BELIEVE IN WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOVE
These are three qualities that Allah Almighty described the hypocrites with – deaf, they do not listen to or hear the truth; dumb, they do not speak the truth; blind, they do not see what the truth is nor do they see by the truth. And because their senses are thus blocked from knowledge, they will not return from their wandering and from their hypocrisy
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