Religeous thread creators please respond.

[Raaz]

ok

Working on same Bret Hawk's request, do you think you can work with him.

yes, but ہاک ٹھونگے تو نہیں مارتا ؟

 

[abbasiali]

yes, but ہاک ٹھونگے تو نہیں مارتا ؟

He is one of the most talented young person, I bet, You will enjoy working with him.

 

[abbasiali]

Its quite obvious I won't be following this thread after a while, however team members will keep taking your requests and will keep organizing requirments accordingling, Insha Allah you all will find more easy and simple access as well as secured for each other.

 

[Raaz]

He is one of the most talented young person, I bet, You will enjoy working with him.

I know, his level is pretty high.

 

[babadeena]

I think in this case you would be the best choice to start with, You can start your thread, and lnvite every one, keep those whom you would like to keep.

Abbasi Bhai,
This is is not a good option to give control to the thread starter so that he/she can have the participant of
his/her choice. The discussion should be open, transparent, crystal clear and convincing. It should be an
open competition and let the merit and reason survive. Of course, the Admn can control any post or its
contents if so desires. The only trouble starts that when participants start with abuses and vulgarity
and start using words like, "Idiot", "Dude", etc. etc. and these are people when they are at the
verge of defeat upon proof or logic.
The system which u r proposing will further institutionalize the sects and everyone
will be his/her own tents then there is no clash of ideas and no emergence of positive results.

 

[Raaz]

Its quite obvious I won't be following this thread after a while, however team members will keep taking your requests and will keep organizing requirments accordingling, Insha Allah you all will find more easy and simple access as well as secured for each other.

I think it is good thought,

Because this type of threads r started only to hurt feelings who have different way of thinking.

 

[abbasiali]

Abbasi Bhai,
This is is not a good option to give control to the thread starter so that he/she can have the participant of
his/her choice. The discussion should be open, transparent, crystal clear and convincing. It should be an
open competition and let the merit and reason survive. Of course, the Admn can control any post or its
contents if so desires. The only trouble starts that when participants start with abuses and vulgarity
and start using words like, "Idiot", "Dude", etc. etc. and these are people when they are at the
verge of defeat upon proof or logic.
The system which u r proposing will further institutionalize the sects and everyone
will be his/her own tents then there is no clash of ideas and no emergence of positive results.

Brother Babadeena,

We have no positive results so far, instead these type of threads gets negative impact as soon it get posted, unfortunately, there is no tolerance among us, and some elements have made habit of doing wrong things and start blaming to opponents, here in these kind of situations no one could be act as neutral, because every one is so perfect in their believes, they don't want to give any incentive to any one, You personally have gone through these kind of situations. this new format will definitely provide control on direct and personal attacks, abuse. How ever you will be available to have your own thoughts to every one, either public or with your own choice, you can invite those, who oppose you, now at this point, you will use your own discretion to keep that abuser to keep abusing you, or you can throw that abuser out from your thread. I believe this a beginning, give it a try by yourself and let see how it would work.

 

[Raaz]

Why these fighters are not coming forward? Definitely they follow the sect but hesitating to accept it. and showing they r Muslims only.

They start a disputed thread only for stupid discussion.

It will not give any taste to them if no opponent.

 

[hans]

Boss its your domain your website. Its your Call.

All I want that our main interest should be Politics not Religion. There are a few thousand Website related to Islamic Ideology. any one interested can go join there.

Remember Politics it self is a single edge sword, some time its very painful going through some Post reflecting the harsh status of Pakistan and its citizen, but it looks the Boss of Siasat.pk wants the same sword to have two edges One being Political the other religion.

You guys getting my point?

 

[molson4u]

Abbasiali bhai do whatever you feel fit. Even if you want to divide people into sects. We are muslims...thatz all and Allah and prophet asked us to be united but you want us to be divided. Simple thing will be that we leave.

If sunni will go to different page and wahabi will go to a different thread, trust me the charm will be lost and people will not even go on those threads. When people agree with each other...that is the end of the discussion.

In my humble opinion, there should not be a religious thread on a siasee website. If you have to have it and can't live without it... then we all are muslims and we must stay together. We might have difference of opinion but at the end of the day, we still are one ummah.

 

[abbasiali]

Why these fighters are not coming forward? Definitely they follow the sect but hesitating to accept it. and showing they r Muslims only.

They start a disputed thread only for stupid discussion.

It will not give any taste to them if no opponent.

Well brother,

It will not help, either they come forward or not, these threads will go into right place and right people will conduct these thread, up till now they had objection to us, why their threads were deleted or moved, fatweys were issued to us and verdicts were announced by them for us as "KAAFIR" we did show our best, but now who ever will post religeous thread in Siasi page, that will be moved to Islamic page, and then it will be decided by people who will be taking care of these threads. So wish them luck.

 

[atensari]

Abbasi bhai you can place my ID in Ahlal Sunna Wal Jamaa category of this section of religious discussion. Many thanks to keep this section active for Responsible Members of this forum who will also get the creative control of their specific threads from now on.

I nominate Bret Hawk.

 

[abbasiali]

Abbasiali bhai do whatever you feel fit. Even if you want to divide people into sects. We are muslims...thatz all and Allah and prophet asked us to be united but you want us to be divided. Simple thing will be that we leave.

If sunni will go to different page and wahabi will go to a different thread, trust me the charm will be lost and people will not even go on those threads. When people agree with each other...that is the end of the discussion.

In my humble opinion, there should not be a religious thread on a siasee website. If you have to have it and can't live without it... then we all are muslims and we must stay together. We might have difference of opinion but at the end of the day, we still are one ummah.

Dear Brother, I appreciate your emotions, but you have really surprised me by saying, we are dividing people, it may be a confusion I believe, because, we had been blasted by every individual with their individual unique believe on Islam, every one held responsible badly and have not shown any mercy or incentive to each other, hatred was so strong and feel like, if they physically face each other, will kill each other, any ways, we are doing our level best to have everyone to share their views within control on their threads, so I believe it will be nice to not let any one unwanted person in your zone and likewise it will be applicable on others as well. so keep sharing your faith and believe to each other talk nicely and remain in peace.

 

[abbasiali]

Boss its your domain your website. Its your Call.

All I want that our main interest should be Politics not Religion. There are a few thousand Website related to Islamic Ideology. any one interested can go join there.

Remember Politics it self is a single edge sword, some time its very painful going through some Post reflecting the harsh status of Pakistan and its citizen, but it looks the Boss of Siasat.pk wants the same sword to have two edges One being Political the other religion.

You guys getting my point?

Yes my dear, I am getting your point and would remind you, that this initiate started by our own members, who repeatedly keep posting threads based on religion and once those threads were removed being held responsible to create sectarian violence on forum, poster immediately started blaming biased to Moderators, We have recieved so many offenses had been recieved from every believer. whose thread was deleted, now what is the issue, will our members will not find good hobby to abuse each other. will this make them one Muslim, I am sure other wbsite are more straight forward and don't allow this kind of flexibility, which sisat.pk had been keep showing for long time.

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Dear Friends,



Could you please forward your self or nominate someone, with Title of your religeous threads, under which members could participate with their choice.



For example

Sunni , Shia


Deobandi



Barelvi



Wahabi




Once initially we will get your names and title, will provide you seperate discussion section and functional authorities to conduct your threads, ID holder will be authorize to add or invite or reject members, There will be one more window available on main page, which will reflect these threads.

i call myself and those (beleve in One Allah , Quran and last Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and his path of life,) MUSLIM. i don't division between my muslim brothers & sisters. so no wahabi or Deobandi or Barelvi only MUSLIM

try to understand below Quranic Ayaat.....

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَ*ٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
​

And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves , and remember Allah's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided​

اور سب مل کر الله کی رسی مضبوط پکڑو اور پھوٹ نہ ڈالو اور الله کا احسان اپنے اوپر یاد کرو جب کہ تم آپس میں دشمن تھے پھر تمہارے دلوں میں الفت ڈال دی پھر تم اس کے فضل سے بھائی بھائی ہو گئے اور تم آگ کے گڑھے کے کنارے پر تھے پھر تم کو اس سے نجات دی اس طرح تم پر الله اپنی نشانیاں بیان کرتا ہے تاکہ تم ہدایت پاؤ​

( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #103)
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[I_hate_Liars]

Keep me also in Bret Hawk team, he is more than capable of job, he has shown his unchallengeable capabilities in past and today also his initiative is highly appreciateable.

 

[Logical]

I follow the Fiqh of Imam Jafar As Sadiq and believe in Twelve Imams after the Prophet(saw). Please put me in whichever category you think is appropriate...

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

as i know only ONE ALLAH, Holy QURAN and Last Prophet MUHAMMAD( PBUH) and life patron of beloving Holy Prophet MUHAMMAD(PBUH). if we follow only these then w will not divide or misguided. for me all masajid are house of Allah and no one can stop me to go for prayer in any masjid.

brother Ali, i had giving some sugestion to control sect. volence or foul words in your other thread. we should get united not divided. unity make strong and division make us weak...

 

[abbasiali]

i call myself and those (beleve in One Allah , Quran and last Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and his path of life,) MUSLIM. i don't division between my muslim brothers & sisters. so no wahabi or Deobandi or Barelvi only MUSLIM

try to understand below Quranic Ayaat.....

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَ*ٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
​

And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves , and remember Allah's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided​

اور سب مل کر الله کی رسی مضبوط پکڑو اور پھوٹ نہ ڈالو اور الله کا احسان اپنے اوپر یاد کرو جب کہ تم آپس میں دشمن تھے پھر تمہارے دلوں میں الفت ڈال دی پھر تم اس کے فضل سے بھائی بھائی ہو گئے اور تم آگ کے گڑھے کے کنارے پر تھے پھر تم کو اس سے نجات دی اس طرح تم پر الله اپنی نشانیاں بیان کرتا ہے تاکہ تم ہدایت پاؤ​

( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #103)
​

Thanks for the nice thoughts, I am very impressed with your emotional remarks, I am not innterested in any kind of debate, please simply read out and choose, where you would like to sit, if you want to create something for your self, please let us know, I am sure you will be very fruitful for your friends by delivering your thoughts. of course it will be more nice if you will keep your doors open for evey one, and will take the full responsibility of any kind of mishap, which is a regular practice over here, so instead of creating any contradiction, face the reality and bring forward yourself to accept challenge.

 

[Logical]

Dear Bro Abbasi Ali

Can I ask you a pointed question here :

"Is posting takfiri messages here against forum rules (yes/no)"???

A simple yes/no should do. Please don't be offended by this demand and let us know of your uncomplicated opinion.