Read this important knowledge about agha waqar water kit and battery usage

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
Newbie get ready for some very nice words from some very nice people. :)

To share your load, The Scientist were giving example of law of conservation of energy; which states that the total energy of any isolated system remains intact, i.e. no system can produce energy greater then it has. But one thing they were not mentioning was the system not being an isolated one and Agha Waqar did claimed that his engine was pumping in water on a continuous basis, so how could Law of Conservation of Energy be applied here.

Also as u did mentioned use of Carbides, no scientist gave an exact information on how they were used to produce so much continuous energy. The car kit might be totally a fraud, but what the scientist were saying also had a lot of lapses in it.

Electrical resonant circuits are used also in Telecommunications. if you want to convey your voice with loud speaker from one city to other city you cant even if you use 10 mega watt amplifier for your loud speaker. But if you use resonant tuning circuits then you need as small battery as in our mobiles. now why don't you apply your law of thermodynamic and law of conservation of energy here. why can we convey our voice through very small battery of our mobiles and why can't we transfer our voice through loud speakers.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: ***** Read this important knowledge about agha waqar water kit and battary usage *********

Electrical resonant circuits are used also in Telecommunications. if you want to convey your voice with loud speaker from one city to other city you cant even if you use 10 mega watt amplifier for your loud speaker. But if you use resonant tuning circuits then you need as small battery as in our mobiles. now why don't you apply your law of thermodynamic and law of conservation of energy here. why can we convey our voice through very small battery of our mobiles and why can't we transfer our voice through loud speakers.
 

aamirksa

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Most Simple check of battery running engine and electric motor

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isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
Water energy

I read about agha waqar kit in this forum and many other forums and watch those TV talk shows also. i am forced to write this article.

Many of our scientist and common people said that agha waqar was driving his car through electrolysis and providing the energy through battery for electrolysis to run the engine and when battery will be discharged. car will be stopped. while we saw in many of demonstration that he ran his car for more than 30 minute as in hamid mir talk show "Capital Talk".

Let' see a car battery can run 1000cc vehicle for how much time.

agha waqar drove the cultus and alto car, which is 1000 cc with engine power of 53 Horse Power or 37 Kilowatts.
check here to confirm engine power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cultus

BATTARY ELECTRIC ENERGY CAPACITY
Cultus battery is maximum 50 ah with 12 volt DC. it means that this battery can provide 50 ampere for one hour. now we calculate the power in watts for this battery.
Battery watts = ampere x volt = 12 x 50 = 600 watts hour. (this battery can provide 600 watts for one hour. after that it will be fully discharged.
now we convert it in joules or watt/second , we know that 1 hour = 60x60 = 3600 second.
Battery joules = ampere x volt x 3600= 12 x 50 = 2,160,000 joules or (watt/second)

CULTUS CAR ENGINE (1000CC) ENERGY CONSUMPTION
as we know that cultus engine of 1000cc needs energy about 37 kilowatt per second or 37,000 watt/second or joules.

FOR HOW MUCH TIME THE CULTUS BATTERY CAN RUN HIS ENGINE THROUGH ELECTROLYSIS.
time of engine running in seconds = engine joules/ battery joules
time of engine running in seconds = 2,160,000/37,000 = 58 Seconds (with 100 efficiency and no energy losses.)
while car engine is maximum 30% efficient total duration = 58 x 30/100 = 17 secends
So, this battery can run cultus engine for only 17 SECONDS.
if you are confused with cc and watts then just take the 50 horse power or 37 kilowatt electrical motor and run it battery of 50 ah . it will not be able to run the motor more than a minute.
we all use inverters and ups with
batteries. 50ah battery can give you 50x12=600 watts for one hours. it can run maximum 5 fans of 120 watt for one hours. it can run 37,000 watt electrical motor not more than a minute.
HOW MUCH BATTERIES ARE REQUIRED TO RUN THE CULTUS CAR FOR ONE HOUR THROUGH ELECTROLYSIS.
Now if we want to run this cultus car for one hour how much batteries we need to connect. we can calculate it easily, while we know that 1 hour = 3600 second and one battery can run engine for 58 second.
Batteries required= 3600/17 = 212 batteries to be connected in parallel.
cross check to calculate the numbers of batteries required. = engine watt/one battery watt/hour = 37,000 x 30%/600 = 212 BATTRIES.

WHILE OUR ALL SCIENTEST WERE SAYING THAT CAR IS RUNNING BY BATTARY ENERGY. IF THEY CAN GIVE SUCH A STUPID STATEMENT THEN THINK ABOUT THE LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMMON PEOPLE. WHILE THESE CALCULATION CAN BE DONE EASYILY BY METRIC STUDIENT, BECAUSE THESE FORMULAS ARE AVIALABLE IN METRIC PHYSICS ALSO.
SOME PEOPLE SAID THAT HE USED CALCIUM CARBIDE. WHILE HIS KIT WAS TRANSPERENT. AND NOBODY SAW ANY PROOF OF IT.
EVEN IF HE USED CALCIUM CARBIDE IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO DRIVE A 1000CC ENGINE WITH IT OR ONE MINUTE.

HIDDEN SECRET OF AGHA WAQAR WATER KIT.
When we use High Frequency DC Unipolar electric pulses using electrical resonant circuit to break the water, it takes less energy than faraday law of electrolysis. Stanley Meyer ,andew puharich and many other great scientists have done this and prove it. Their patents are accepted in United States.
check the google and search for Stanley meyer ,andew puharich, bob boyce , free energy and water fuel cell. you will understand that it is possible.
agha waqar is also using same method to break the water as he said in capital talk that he is using resonace. but due to his pour knowledge of science and physics he was unable to justify his invention. but is does not means that he is fraud or lying.

LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY
Electrical resonant circuits are used also in Telecommunications. if you want to convey your voice with loud speaker from one city to other city you cant even if you use 10 mega watt amplifier for your loud speaker. But if you use resonant tuning circuits then you need as small battery as in our mobiles. now why don't you apply your law of thermodynamic and law of conservation of energy here. why can we convey our voice through very small battery of our mobiles and why can't we transfer our voice through loud speakers.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO SPREAD THIS TECHNOLOGY?
Khursheed shah accepted in latest capital talk program that agha waqar kit is working but oil mafia is bigger than our government.
This is trillion dollars game of fossil fuel. we people pay 70 rupees tax on one liter petrol and diesel to government. why would they introduce the water energy? may be our leaders first blackmail the oil mafia through water kit and then got kick backs from oil mafia and stopped promoting agha waqar.
Now, it is up to the people of pakistan that they want water energy or will they keep fighting with each other about agha waqar and use expensive diesel petrol for cars and bear the upcoming summer load shedding of 20 hours a day.

Try to support agha waqar about water energy in social media and stop fighting.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
Water energy

I read about agha waqar kit in this forum and many other forums and watch those TV talk shows also. i am forced to write this article.

Many of our scientist and common people said that agha waqar was driving his car through electrolysis and providing the energy through battery for electrolysis to run the engine and when battery will be discharged. car will be stopped. while we saw in many of demonstration that he ran his car for more than 30 minute as in hamid mir talk show "Capital Talk".

Let' see a car battery can run 1000cc vehicle for how much time.

agha waqar drove the cultus and alto car, which is 1000 cc with engine power of 53 Horse Power or 37 Kilowatts.
check here to confirm engine power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cultus

BATTARY ELECTRIC ENERGY CAPACITY
Cultus battery is maximum 50 ah with 12 volt DC. it means that this battery can provide 50 ampere for one hour. now we calculate the power in watts for this battery.
Battery watts = ampere x volt = 12 x 50 = 600 watts hour. (this battery can provide 600 watts for one hour. after that it will be fully discharged.
now we convert it in joules or watt/second , we know that 1 hour = 60x60 = 3600 second.
Battery joules = ampere x volt x 3600= 12 x 50 = 2,160,000 joules or (watt/second)

CULTUS CAR ENGINE (1000CC) ENERGY CONSUMPTION
as we know that cultus engine of 1000cc needs energy about 37 kilowatt per second or 37,000 watt/second or joules.

FOR HOW MUCH TIME THE CULTUS BATTERY CAN RUN HIS ENGINE THROUGH ELECTROLYSIS.
time of engine running in seconds = engine joules/ battery joules
time of engine running in seconds = 2,160,000/37,000 = 58 Seconds (with 100 efficiency and no energy losses.)
while car engine is maximum 30% efficient total duration = 58 x 30/100 = 17 secends
So, this battery can run cultus engine for only 17 SECONDS.
if you are confused with cc and watts then just take the 50 horse power or 37 kilowatt electrical motor and run it battery of 50 ah . it will not be able to run the motor more than a minute.
we all use inverters and ups with
batteries. 50ah battery can give you 50x12=600 watts for one hours. it can run maximum 5 fans of 120 watt for one hours. it can run 37,000 watt electrical motor not more than a minute.
HOW MUCH BATTERIES ARE REQUIRED TO RUN THE CULTUS CAR FOR ONE HOUR THROUGH ELECTROLYSIS.
Now if we want to run this cultus car for one hour how much batteries we need to connect. we can calculate it easily, while we know that 1 hour = 3600 second and one battery can run engine for 58 second.
Batteries required= 3600/17 = 212 batteries to be connected in parallel.
cross check to calculate the numbers of batteries required. = engine watt/one battery watt/hour = 37,000 x 30%/600 = 212 BATTRIES.

WHILE OUR ALL SCIENTEST WERE SAYING THAT CAR IS RUNNING BY BATTARY ENERGY. IF THEY CAN GIVE SUCH A STUPID STATEMENT THEN THINK ABOUT THE LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMMON PEOPLE. WHILE THESE CALCULATION CAN BE DONE EASYILY BY METRIC STUDIENT, BECAUSE THESE FORMULAS ARE AVIALABLE IN METRIC PHYSICS ALSO.
SOME PEOPLE SAID THAT HE USED CALCIUM CARBIDE. WHILE HIS KIT WAS TRANSPERENT. AND NOBODY SAW ANY PROOF OF IT.
EVEN IF HE USED CALCIUM CARBIDE IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO DRIVE A 1000CC ENGINE WITH IT OR ONE MINUTE.

HIDDEN SECRET OF AGHA WAQAR WATER KIT.
When we use High Frequency DC Unipolar electric pulses using electrical resonant circuit to break the water, it takes less energy than faraday law of electrolysis. Stanley Meyer ,andew puharich and many other great scientists have done this and prove it. Their patents are accepted in United States.
check the google and search for Stanley meyer ,andew puharich, bob boyce , free energy and water fuel cell. you will understand that it is possible.
agha waqar is also using same method to break the water as he said in capital talk that he is using resonace. but due to his pour knowledge of science and physics he was unable to justify his invention. but is does not means that he is fraud or lying.

LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY
Electrical resonant circuits are used also in Telecommunications. if you want to convey your voice with loud speaker from one city to other city you cant even if you use 10 mega watt amplifier for your loud speaker. But if you use resonant tuning circuits then you need as small battery as in our mobiles. now why don't you apply your law of thermodynamic and law of conservation of energy here. why can we convey our voice through very small battery of our mobiles and why can't we transfer our voice through loud speakers.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO SPREAD THIS TECHNOLOGY?
Khursheed shah accepted in latest capital talk program that agha waqar kit is working but oil mafia is bigger than our government.
This is trillion dollars game of fossil fuel. we people pay 70 rupees tax on one liter petrol and diesel to government. why would they introduce the water energy? may be our leaders first blackmail the oil mafia through water kit and then got kick backs from oil mafia and stopped promoting agha waqar.
Now, it is up to the people of pakistan that they want water energy or will they keep fighting with each other about agha waqar and use expensive diesel petrol for cars and bear the upcoming summer load shedding of 20 hours a day.

Try to support agha waqar about water energy in social media and stop fighting.
 

Khanisback

Councller (250+ posts)
Electrical resonant circuits are used also in Telecommunications. if you want to convey your voice with loud speaker from one city to other city you cant even if you use 10 mega watt amplifier for your loud speaker. but if you use resonant tuning circuits then you need as small battery as in our mobiles. now why don't you apply your law of thermodynamic and law of conservation of energy here. why can we convey our voice through very small battery of our mobiles and why can't we transfer our voice through loud speakers.

You deserve this year Nobel Prize for making fun of Laws of Thermodynamics and Conservation of Energy
 

Khanisback

Councller (250+ posts)
you first check the cultus engine 1000cc in wikipeida link or any other site. Can can produce power of 37 horse power. every motor. 1000cc is the engine volume of cylender and 53 horse power or 37 kilowatt is the energy which engine can produce. engine is maximum 30% efficient, so engine will consume 123 kilowatt energy. and battery will discharge in 17 seconds as per law of conservation of energy.

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isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
non of forum member is able to criticize calculation on solid scientific basis. har aik hawa me teer mar raha ha.
in anybody proof me wrong with calculations that 37 kilowatt engine can be run on car battery for more than a minute. i will agree with him.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
law of thermodynamic is not applicable on electrolysis. it is Faraday law of electrolysis which is applied in physis. many scientist has patent and they gave solid practice proof that they produced more hydrogen then the Faraday law.
 

Khanisback

Councller (250+ posts)
non of forum member is able to criticize calculation on solid scientific basis. har aik hawa me teer mar raha ha.
in anybody proof me wrong with calculations that 37 kilowatt engine can be run on car battery for more than a minute. i will agree with him.

That is not the point how much time the car takes to run on battery and if he drived the car for 30 minutes, it does not mean automatically that his invention works but it signals that he might be doing some other fraud. No one tested his car, for obvious reason. You yourself does not know difference between power and energy and have written watts/sec or joules as equivalent which is just non-sense. I already told you that there is no unique conversion between cc and hp. Moreover, the car engine does not produce constant power when you are driving an upward slope or downward slope or on different gears the engine hp is different so your calculation are wrong on simple basis that you are taking hp of the engine constant everytime.
 

isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
i think you should revise your metric course. joule = watt/sec. check on internet for detail.
there is no conversion between cc and hp but !
every engine has output power which can be measured in horse power or kilowatt. check the cultus 1000cc engine specification at Wikipedia. it is 37 kilowatt max. if you took average then use 20 kilowatt. again it will not run on battery more than a minute.

I think you people just want to satisfy your self. our scientists , media and government are sold by oil mafia. check kamran khan show.
they brainwashed the mind of common people that it is fraud. but to proof it fruad practically is different thing. these scients are afraid of practical through check, while agha said them many times to come and check your self. but they don't. they know he is right.
if during practical thorough checkup no fruad is proven then they will be ashamed. and oil mafia will lose all money.

agha waqar ran his car many times in front of scientists. a simple auto mechanic can check that is there any secret fuel or not. fuel can be provided only through carburetor or air intake. do you think that all of those scientist and professors who checked his vehicle were stupid. did any body said that he is mixing some hidden fuel in vehicle.

you people can check www.freeenergy.co.uk and download the pdf guides of water electrolysers and check the practical devices which are built by many scientist.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
law of thermodynamics are nothing but it is law of oil mafia.
you can prepare perpetual motion machine from computer fan also.
just watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDeK6rprA4&feature=player_embedded
and tell me now. are you still brain washed or will you awake now.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. You cannot convert more or even near 100% of the energy you put into any closed system. You are using energy from a 12V lead acid battery to break the bonds of water, thereby creating Hydrogen and Oxygen. This is really old science. People have known and have been doing this since the 1800s. And then you want to use Hydrogen to run a car engine. You burn the hydrogen to release its energy to turn drive a car AND recharge the Battery, Car headlights, all other electronics.

There are two energy conversions that are going on in this system.
1. Chemical energy in a lead acid battery to electrical to electrolysis of the water.
2. The hydrogen is collected and used as fuel which is burned to convert energy to mechanical energy

At this point I'd like to point out a few key problems that you will face. There are hydrogen powered vehicles today on the road. But its pressurized hydrogen. How much pressure is Agha Waqar's electrolysis actually producing? From the looks of it its hardly anything higher than 1 to 2 psi, if at that even. Let me also point out that the modern car combustion engine is incredibly inefficient at converting energy itself. At best, your car engine only has upto 40% efficiency with regular gasoline.

So you have wasted energy on producing hydrogen. You have wasted energy on burning this in an incredibly inefficient engine. You have two big energy loses right there. The energy the alternator will derive from the hydrogen burning inefficient engine will be LESS than the amount of energy the battery is putting into the electrolysis process. The efficiency of such a system is very low. More over the amount of hydrogen required has to be under pressure. If add a compressor to the system, it becomes even more inefficient.

What Agha Waqar demonstrated was more than likely a fraud. A 12V DC battery does not electrolyze that much water at that efficiency and magically pressurize the produced hydrogen to feed into a combustion engine. His kit is available on the internet for $200 since the late 90s. People use it to augment efficiency of their current gasoline engines. That too is an inefficient process. Agha Waqar more than likely has pressurized Hydrogen somewhere in the car OR he still has a fuel line and fuel somewhere within the body of the car.

As for that video of "Free Energy" for a CPU fan - That does not work. Try it yourself. The man in the video is using those magnets to not turn the fan, but rather to assist in delaying the fan from stopping. ;) What he is actually doing is blowing air on the fan from another fan. You don't see it on camera. He edits the sound of the blower out of the video. The magnets are not useless, they keep the fan spinning just enough for him to show that the fan does not abruptly stop after he changes its angles every now and then. No such thing as "Free" energy. ;)
 
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isbman

Voter (50+ posts)
[FONT=&quot]there are so many patent [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on magnets motors. to say every free energy fake is very easy way.

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