PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
Zaidi Qasim said:
Yes, my culture, my values, my norms, my prestige, my ego, and bigger of all, my love to my motherland are not commodities that can be traded in any market. That's the hater's business might be.
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Yes, my culture, my values, my norms, my prestige, my ego, and bigger of all, my love to my motherland are not commodities that can be traded in any market. That's the hater's business might be.
mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Difference between DAWN and Ummat Newspaper
Please read the articles in both newspapers and you will be able to see the "Dirty Tactics" of Ummat Newspaper.
There is Not a SINGLE Hard Proof of "Bomb Explosives", but this Filthy Ummat Newspaper are casting doubts only and only on bases of CONJECTURES.
It is very easy to differentiate between the Damage done by Explosives used by Terrorists and that damage which is caused by normal Aatisbaazi material, but it is the duty of newspapers like Ummat to bring such Khabasat out of their filthy mouths to slander the others.
Please read the articles in both newspapers and you will be able to see the "Dirty Tactics" of Ummat Newspaper.
There is Not a SINGLE Hard Proof of "Bomb Explosives", but this Filthy Ummat Newspaper are casting doubts only and only on bases of CONJECTURES.
It is very easy to differentiate between the Damage done by Explosives used by Terrorists and that damage which is caused by normal Aatisbaazi material, but it is the duty of newspapers like Ummat to bring such Khabasat out of their filthy mouths to slander the others.
mqm-basher
Councller (250+ posts)
mqm angels got burnt again...............awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor babyssssssssssssssssssssssss .....my o my this gutter press has really started to hurt mqm angels
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
PakPatriot1 said:
Allah give you some wisdom my friend of common sense and understanding. I was luring to the fact tha those who are emotional can never be good traders in any market. Your words are big but You got to use them wisely.
mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
mqm-basher said:
You see brother, again No Proof and only unnecessary accusations and bashing which could bring only Hate for each other.
I just hope you realize that Ummat Akhbar is doing nothing else than following the footsteps of JEWS in doing false propaganda. I wish people understand it is Allah (swt) who says in Quran "....then bring your Proofs if you are really Truthful".
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
zainabia said:
Zainabia:
You are writting here and Iam waiting for your reply on my other link..... Musharraf's Future is in trouble. Only you can rescue him.Why not reply to clear the ambiguities ? There are some good points to be scored on defending him.... Go for it, My sister.
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
hiflyer1961 said:
We all appreciate Good discussions and agruments full of logic.My beef with MQM is to their top leadership and I am dead against their policies of division and segregation on the lines of languages. As you mentioned,I myself born and raised in Karachi and truly enjoyed the local community and their hospitality but that was before the MQM came in to existance. We use to strolled along the streets of Karachi way later in the wee hours of dawn. There was no fear, no fear of deadbodies lying on the side of the streets, no fear of segretaion of the areas according to the unit incharge.No fear of getting your throat slit by rowdy MQM thugs on the road. The walls were not fimiliar with murderer's slogans of" LAL BATI JAEE GA" OR " JO QUID KA GHADAR HA, WO MOOT KA HAQDAR HA". It was such a nice City that you always adore its beauty, its peace and its ability to take those who come to work and earn their Rizk from across the country.There was no fenders, no barriers and no speed brakers.If there is a problem, we the local people within the neighbourhood would resolve it ourselves. We didn't need any interference of unit incharge and his gang of thugs.
I am deeply disturbed on the events in Karachi and its turn around. Pathans are protecting their assets all the time. Punjabis leaving the businesses and migrating to Punjab for better future of their families.There is no harmony among different communities. Mayor is a pathetic dispaly of MQM'S acheivements. He can build the roads, concreted the streets and put the brigdes, but no ability to bridge the gaps,bring the people of different communities together. What a shame on a Mayor of Karachi. After all the city and the countries are not built by cements and blocks,but rather on human connectivity,prosperity of children without fear of labels, Pathan Kid, Punjabi kid , Sindhi kid and Muhajir kid. And the MQM wouldn't understand it, doesn't want to understand it, will never understand it with the current leadership.
mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Zaidi bhai, I have some limited time at moment. Please provide me with the link though. Thanks.
hiflyer brother,
You are right about Mohajirs in Punjab.
Nevertheless, please allow me to point out some more facts.
1. Punjabi Language (and culture) is very close to the Mohajir's Urdu Language. Thus it was easy for them to adjust with each other. In Lahore almost all Punjabi families are able to understand and speak Urdu. The new generation of great Urdu Poets is coming from Punjab. There are many Families in Lahore where mother and father may speak Punjabi with each other, but they speak Urdu with children.
2. But this is not the case with Pushtoon or Sindhi Language and Culture.
And it is not only Mohajirs which were unable to get settle, but also the Punjabi families which settled in interior Sindh or Baluchistan, they are still behaved like outsiders and being attacked regularly.
Any how these attacks are entirely another thing, our main point was difference of Culture and Language due to which two communities were unable to dissolve in each other.
3. Another Natural Fact is this too that things Normally go from non-developed things to Developed things. The Urdu Language and Culture was at that time more Advanced and Developed as compared to Interior Sindh.
You see people learn English while it is more developed than Urdu and is used in books etc. But for Sindhi Language one didn't need it while better Reading Material was available in Urdu language itself.
4. Also economically Karachi was more developed than Interior Sindh. And then millions of people of other communities came to Karachi like Punjabies and Pathans, and none of them adopted Sindhi Culture and Language but Urdu was their main language of communication.
If you also consider all these facts, then you could understand why Mohajirs of Karachi were unable to adopt the Sindhi Culture and I don't think they are responsible for any crime in this case. They migrated along with a complete culture and language and it is not good to impose any other culture or language over them.
The clapping is done with both hands. Also question arises if Language or Culture of Interior Sindh came near to Mohajir Culture? Mohajirs were not in such minority in Sindh like Mohajirs in Punjab. But they are in majority in 2 big Cities. And you will go against Law of Nature if you impose foreign language and culture over them.
You have an example of Saraiki People in Punjab. They lived for hundreds of years with Punjabies but didn't give up their culture and Language.
hiflyer1961 said:
hiflyer brother,
You are right about Mohajirs in Punjab.
Nevertheless, please allow me to point out some more facts.
1. Punjabi Language (and culture) is very close to the Mohajir's Urdu Language. Thus it was easy for them to adjust with each other. In Lahore almost all Punjabi families are able to understand and speak Urdu. The new generation of great Urdu Poets is coming from Punjab. There are many Families in Lahore where mother and father may speak Punjabi with each other, but they speak Urdu with children.
2. But this is not the case with Pushtoon or Sindhi Language and Culture.
And it is not only Mohajirs which were unable to get settle, but also the Punjabi families which settled in interior Sindh or Baluchistan, they are still behaved like outsiders and being attacked regularly.
Any how these attacks are entirely another thing, our main point was difference of Culture and Language due to which two communities were unable to dissolve in each other.
3. Another Natural Fact is this too that things Normally go from non-developed things to Developed things. The Urdu Language and Culture was at that time more Advanced and Developed as compared to Interior Sindh.
You see people learn English while it is more developed than Urdu and is used in books etc. But for Sindhi Language one didn't need it while better Reading Material was available in Urdu language itself.
4. Also economically Karachi was more developed than Interior Sindh. And then millions of people of other communities came to Karachi like Punjabies and Pathans, and none of them adopted Sindhi Culture and Language but Urdu was their main language of communication.
If you also consider all these facts, then you could understand why Mohajirs of Karachi were unable to adopt the Sindhi Culture and I don't think they are responsible for any crime in this case. They migrated along with a complete culture and language and it is not good to impose any other culture or language over them.
The clapping is done with both hands. Also question arises if Language or Culture of Interior Sindh came near to Mohajir Culture? Mohajirs were not in such minority in Sindh like Mohajirs in Punjab. But they are in majority in 2 big Cities. And you will go against Law of Nature if you impose foreign language and culture over them.
You have an example of Saraiki People in Punjab. They lived for hundreds of years with Punjabies but didn't give up their culture and Language.
Zaidi Qasim
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
mqm-basher
Councller (250+ posts)
@zainabia
listen whoever u r........dont bring quran in it ok......becuz quran says so many other things but u chose to pick what suited ur purpose.......so lets not make quran an excuse for our misdeeds.
secondly lets get to the basics who is a mohjir by the way if u want to inflict some light on it.....look it up in a urdu dictionary see what u find but for now stay with me....a mohajir is one who migrate from one place to another for any reason......it could be to seek good opportunities for living...could be to seek refuge from the brutalities/injustices from selected group of people......etc...all my family came from amratsir, indian pujab so we r mohaajirs too but we r punjabi mohaajirs okkkk and then these punjabi mohajirs make at least 35% of the population of punjab and punjab's population is atleast 60% of pakistan's pop. which comes about to 100 million (das caror)and the pujabi mohajir shares 35 million (sarey teen caror) of this 100 million pop.
what should we pujabi mohajirs start doing start claiming another province for us and start kicking "native punjabissssss"... make more division and segregation in our society by creating more difference from this class, culture talk.....what do u think we came in land of no sorrow or some paradise by coming to pujab hannnnnnnnnnn................our kids eat from garbage ok.... our kids and women folk and males are on streets begging ...... half of us dont get to drink clean water........ more than half of us r jobless.......more than half doesnt have access to education and health facilities...... and i can keep on going......we dont cry crocodile tears like other traitors.......this situation is true well beyond for more than half of pakistanis.. so stop singling urself out that all harm comes to u and ur section in pakistan and everybody else is spared......this is non-sense and if there were discrimination towards so call mohajirs of uthar pardesh in sindh that was not from pujabis.....got it smart heads..it was in buttto's time things got bitter in interior sindh......but whats happening in balouchistan with balochis and whats happening in pathans in nwfp........whats happening in sindh has it become paradise.....or even karachi where it used to be known as city of lights before the evolution of the great MQM now turned into city of darkness......
thats why the bells go off when u call urself mohajir right away u have created a division in society and it totally seems on purpose its been done to weaken the pakistan.....that's why the MQM is called the illegitimate child of zia-ul-haq who brought up mqm and created another division in the society to counter the religious parties.........if ur claim is that things were not good in karachi then when it was under religious political parties then my question to u is how much prosperity karachi has seen now............darkness, hunger, no peace, ghunda gardi, bahta khori, politics of gun, blood baths of poor karachites at will, fires burning away most of the industrial units of karachi on weekly basis, roads and over head bridges and some bridges collapsed in less than a month at least part of em, has poverty been eliminated from karachi???has unemployment been taken care of ???? has peace been given to karachites???? 10 years in a row u could have done better than this........dont fool urselves..... i would love to indulge in a reasonable discussion only if i have any hope.........
listen whoever u r........dont bring quran in it ok......becuz quran says so many other things but u chose to pick what suited ur purpose.......so lets not make quran an excuse for our misdeeds.
secondly lets get to the basics who is a mohjir by the way if u want to inflict some light on it.....look it up in a urdu dictionary see what u find but for now stay with me....a mohajir is one who migrate from one place to another for any reason......it could be to seek good opportunities for living...could be to seek refuge from the brutalities/injustices from selected group of people......etc...all my family came from amratsir, indian pujab so we r mohaajirs too but we r punjabi mohaajirs okkkk and then these punjabi mohajirs make at least 35% of the population of punjab and punjab's population is atleast 60% of pakistan's pop. which comes about to 100 million (das caror)and the pujabi mohajir shares 35 million (sarey teen caror) of this 100 million pop.
what should we pujabi mohajirs start doing start claiming another province for us and start kicking "native punjabissssss"... make more division and segregation in our society by creating more difference from this class, culture talk.....what do u think we came in land of no sorrow or some paradise by coming to pujab hannnnnnnnnnn................our kids eat from garbage ok.... our kids and women folk and males are on streets begging ...... half of us dont get to drink clean water........ more than half of us r jobless.......more than half doesnt have access to education and health facilities...... and i can keep on going......we dont cry crocodile tears like other traitors.......this situation is true well beyond for more than half of pakistanis.. so stop singling urself out that all harm comes to u and ur section in pakistan and everybody else is spared......this is non-sense and if there were discrimination towards so call mohajirs of uthar pardesh in sindh that was not from pujabis.....got it smart heads..it was in buttto's time things got bitter in interior sindh......but whats happening in balouchistan with balochis and whats happening in pathans in nwfp........whats happening in sindh has it become paradise.....or even karachi where it used to be known as city of lights before the evolution of the great MQM now turned into city of darkness......
thats why the bells go off when u call urself mohajir right away u have created a division in society and it totally seems on purpose its been done to weaken the pakistan.....that's why the MQM is called the illegitimate child of zia-ul-haq who brought up mqm and created another division in the society to counter the religious parties.........if ur claim is that things were not good in karachi then when it was under religious political parties then my question to u is how much prosperity karachi has seen now............darkness, hunger, no peace, ghunda gardi, bahta khori, politics of gun, blood baths of poor karachites at will, fires burning away most of the industrial units of karachi on weekly basis, roads and over head bridges and some bridges collapsed in less than a month at least part of em, has poverty been eliminated from karachi???has unemployment been taken care of ???? has peace been given to karachites???? 10 years in a row u could have done better than this........dont fool urselves..... i would love to indulge in a reasonable discussion only if i have any hope.........
mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear brother,
I am sorry I even don't have enough time at moment to read your post in details. Only some quick notes:
1. Please don't blame taking the name of Muhajireen. Otherwise (naudobillah) you have to blame Rasool Allah (saw) for creating DIVISION etc. while it was he himself who gave this name to the Community of People who migrated from Mecca to Madina.
2. People dying with hunger in Punjab has nothing to do with the Injustice in Karachi and Sindh.
Even many were dying with hunger in Punjab, but there were many in Central Government and Sindhies in Sindh Government who were illegally giving all the Posts to their communities and people of Karachi had no say in their own affairs. Even the money collected from them in name of tax for water, sewerage and local development was going to the central Sindh Government, where Sindhies were Present who never let that money return to Karachi.
Just look at Karachi for the last 55 years of Sindhi Rule and last 6 years of Musharraf's Rule (after introduction of Local Government) where for the first time people of Karachi got their fate in their own hands.
If you still keep on denying these facts then I am afraid you will bring nation again to that point which we saw in 1971.(God Forbid).
I am sorry I even don't have enough time at moment to read your post in details. Only some quick notes:
1. Please don't blame taking the name of Muhajireen. Otherwise (naudobillah) you have to blame Rasool Allah (saw) for creating DIVISION etc. while it was he himself who gave this name to the Community of People who migrated from Mecca to Madina.
2. People dying with hunger in Punjab has nothing to do with the Injustice in Karachi and Sindh.
Even many were dying with hunger in Punjab, but there were many in Central Government and Sindhies in Sindh Government who were illegally giving all the Posts to their communities and people of Karachi had no say in their own affairs. Even the money collected from them in name of tax for water, sewerage and local development was going to the central Sindh Government, where Sindhies were Present who never let that money return to Karachi.
Just look at Karachi for the last 55 years of Sindhi Rule and last 6 years of Musharraf's Rule (after introduction of Local Government) where for the first time people of Karachi got their fate in their own hands.
If you still keep on denying these facts then I am afraid you will bring nation again to that point which we saw in 1971.(God Forbid).
PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
To Mr. MQM-basher
Please correct your records as:
1- We never claim we are muhajirs, our parents came to Pakistan as Pakistanis, but the word Muhajir is one of the best word that we chose from many dirty names like, Bhayya and Mutterway etc. These were given to us by our local brothers.
2- You said: "MQM is a Najaiz aulad of Zia -ul -Haque", ok if I am affirmative in your accusation then would you mind to say Nawaz Sharif from Punjab was Jaiz Aulod of Zia - ul - Haque? Because MQM is Najaiz, you don't accept it but Nawaz Sharif is a Jaiz you accept it as your leader. Najaiz Aulad has no meaning to survive and deserves all the hatered. Is that you mean?
3- Be positive my dear. Accept the reality. The most sensible and educated population of Pakistan support MQM. You can not change their mind set about MQM. It is too late now. They know the difference clearly.
4- Your baseless hue and cry will not bring any change in Karachi's politics. You bet.
Please correct your records as:
1- We never claim we are muhajirs, our parents came to Pakistan as Pakistanis, but the word Muhajir is one of the best word that we chose from many dirty names like, Bhayya and Mutterway etc. These were given to us by our local brothers.
2- You said: "MQM is a Najaiz aulad of Zia -ul -Haque", ok if I am affirmative in your accusation then would you mind to say Nawaz Sharif from Punjab was Jaiz Aulod of Zia - ul - Haque? Because MQM is Najaiz, you don't accept it but Nawaz Sharif is a Jaiz you accept it as your leader. Najaiz Aulad has no meaning to survive and deserves all the hatered. Is that you mean?
3- Be positive my dear. Accept the reality. The most sensible and educated population of Pakistan support MQM. You can not change their mind set about MQM. It is too late now. They know the difference clearly.
4- Your baseless hue and cry will not bring any change in Karachi's politics. You bet.
mqm-basher
Councller (250+ posts)
@ pakpatriot
i agree with u about nawaz sharif he was also a brought up of zia....what cant be right for mqm cant be right of nawaz league.....i wish karchites the prosperity and peace it is mini pakistan and doesnt belong to just one faction......so we'll see how this elite educated class turn pakistan into a first world country and the rest of the "SHUDARS" in ur opinion it seems rest of pakistanis r......bring pakistan to rags.......best of luck
i agree with u about nawaz sharif he was also a brought up of zia....what cant be right for mqm cant be right of nawaz league.....i wish karchites the prosperity and peace it is mini pakistan and doesnt belong to just one faction......so we'll see how this elite educated class turn pakistan into a first world country and the rest of the "SHUDARS" in ur opinion it seems rest of pakistanis r......bring pakistan to rags.......best of luck
PakPatriot1
Senator (1k+ posts)
No one is "Shudar"my dear.mqm-basher said:
If we are muslims then we are all equal. To introduce myself never means that I am under estimating others.
Rather to label each others as traitors and ghaddars or whatever, can we give each other every right to live on our own?
Can we deserve to get a respect from each other?
Rather to be devided, can't we be united against our common enemy?
