yasirashraf271
Senator (1k+ posts)
Chalo ye Acha hai ke pk me abi Esa kuch nae
Pakistani Community "Most Backward" in UK, Every Fourth Male is a "Taxi Driver", 57% of women econ
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بھائی جو غربت یہاں پہ ہے وہ اسکو یہاں کے معیار کے حساب سے دیکھا جاتا ہے ، یہاں کے غریب پاکستانی بھی پاکستان میں رہنے والےغریبوں سے ہزار گنا بہتر معیار زندگی رکھتے ہیں
Modest
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is a bullshit report. I live in the UK and I know the real situation. Pakistanis are one of the best performing community here. You will find Pakistani doctors, lawyers, teachers and other Pakistani professionals in every part of the U.K. Pakistani businesses are successfully operating everywhere. Most people do taxi jobs because there is a lot of money in this profession. I know taxi drivers who own two three houses easily and this is a common thing for many taxi drivers. I will say that Pakistani community is one of the wealthiest in the UK.
insaf-tiger
Banned
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canada is worst place for paksitani immigrants . the highest literate labour in canada is from paksitan . you will find all cab drivers here doctor engineer and a big chunk of geologist and geophysicist . and worst illeterates are punjabi truck drivers cleaners and construction workers but since they give money more value then to moral value they look successful not because they are literate but because they will make their old parents work as cleaner and make their wives work in ware house .. a pakistan will commit suicide before forcing parents to work as cleaner that is why indian parents get permanent resident status from india in 8 months and pakistani parent gets in 13 years
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insaf-tiger
Banned
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thats not true the choices for pakistanis are limited .we have strong cultural and religious influence , when i was in uk my ist job was pizza delivery when i was studying there . i have seen many pakistani boys didnt work for pizza hut because of pork . many will not work in liquor store . i met many people in canada they dont own a house because according to them mortgage is haram .specially those families whose husbands work in dubai saudia dsnt not buy house on mortgage .there are so many other factors which bars us to take benefit from system
Scholar1
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ens-school-gains-not-paying-off-in-work-study
[h=1]British Asians 'struggle for top jobs despite better school results'[/h]
[FONT="]Social Mobility Commission study says groups lower likelihood of being employed in managerial or professional jobs is down to workplace discrimination
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Pupils at the Al Hijrag school in Birmingham Photograph: Jamie Jones/Rex/ShutterstockAnushka Asthana Political editor
[FONT="]Tuesday 27 December 2016 11.45 ESTFirst published on Tuesday 27 December 2016 11.34 EST[/FONT]
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Children of Bangladeshi and Pakistani origin in Britain have outperformed other ethnic groups to achieve rapid improvements at every level of education, but are significantly less likely to be employed in managerial or professional jobs than their white counterparts, according to a study.
A report to be published on Wednesday by the governments Social Mobility Commission says the trend is being driven in part by workplace discrimination, particularly against Muslim women.
The commissions chair, Alan Milburn, said the findings showed that Britain was a long way from offering a level playing field to non-white groups, and called for urgent action to break down barriers.
The British social mobility promise is that hard work will be rewarded. This research suggests that promise is being broken for too many people in our society, Milburn said. He argued that it was striking that people who were making the greatest advances at school were still missing out in the workplace.
[FONT="][h=1]Casey review raises alarm over social integration in the UK[/h][/FONT]
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The wide-ranging study, commissioned by Milburns group and carried out by academics from LKMco and Education Datalab, also offers stark warnings for a number of other ethnic and social groups, including the white working classes.
It found that the gap between the performance of pupils from the poorest and better-off households was widest for white British families.
Minority ethnic pupils are outperforming white working class children in English tests throughout school, with white British teenagers coming bottom of the pile in the subject at GCSE level.
Moreover, just one in 10 of the cohort go on to university compared with three in 10 for black Caribbean, five in 10 for Bangladeshi, and nearly seven in 10 for Chinese children from similar economic backgrounds.
The researchers suggest family behaviour as one factor in explaining the trend, citing evidence that white working class parents alongside Roma, Gypsy and Traveller groups tend to be less engaged in their childrens education than other ethnic groups.
There is also a warning for black families, with evidence that although children enter school achieving at an average level, they slip behind to be the worst performers at maths GCSE, the most likely to be excluded, and the least likely to achieve a good degree.
Secondary school is where black pupils attainment falls behind substantially, according to the report. Only 63% achieve a C in maths GCSE, compared with a national average of 68%, and for black boys the figure is worse, at 60%. This translates into strikingly low attainment in science, technology, engineering and maths A-levels.
The report says the university dropout rate among black pupils is 11%, compared with 5% for Chinese and 7% for other Asian and white undergraduates.
The reports recommendations include:
The study found that while there was a positive peer effect for children in the top sets, overall there was no improvement in average performance. Moreover, it found that poorer children were more likely to be placed in lower sets, creating a vicious circle.
Menzies said there could also be an issue for summer-born children who could be almost a year younger than some peers and could wrongly be put in lower sets and labelled as weaker pupils. That could then become a self-fulfilling prophecy, he said.
Having been a pupil in top sets and a teacher who found it easier to teach kids in sets, its difficult to accept that this is what the evidence shows, but it does and the kids who suffer are most vulnerable, he said.
[FONT="][h=1]Children from poorer areas 'make two years' less progress' at school[/h][/FONT]
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On the issue of white working class parents being less engaged, the reports points to a number of studies, including those that suggest there could be higher aspirations and expectations among some minority ethnic parents for their children.
One study quoted claims that Indian children in Britain were much more likely to complete their homework five days a week and to have access to a computer at home. Another showed higher engagement among Pakistani and Bangladeshi families.
It suggested the trend could help explain why there is a much smaller gap between the school performance of the poorest and best-off in other ethnic groups.
There is also some evidence that girls and boys can perform differently depending on how they are treated, with some parents pushing female pupils towards more altruistic roles, while male pupils have expectations around power and money. One study suggests girls who reject traditional gender roles and want to delay motherhood do better at school.
Both Milburn and Menzies argued that the findings showed that for some groups in particular Muslim women hard work at school was not being fairly paid off.
The reports lead author, Bart Shaw, said discrimination was part of the reason, although he also highlighted cultural norms, family expectations and geography.
Meanwhile in education, differences arise from access to schools, teachers perceptions of behaviour and practices such as tiering and setting. Out-of-school factors such as parental expectations and support also play a critical role, he said.
[h=2]Since youre here[/h]we have a small favor to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever but far fewer are paying for it. And advertising revenues across the media are falling fast. So you can see why we need to ask for your help. The Guardian's independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce. But we do it because we believe our perspective matters because it might well be your perspective, too.
If everyone who reads our reporting, who likes it, helps to pay for it our future would be much more secure.
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[h=1]British Asians 'struggle for top jobs despite better school results'[/h]
[FONT="]Social Mobility Commission study says groups lower likelihood of being employed in managerial or professional jobs is down to workplace discrimination
[/FONT]
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Pupils at the Al Hijrag school in Birmingham Photograph: Jamie Jones/Rex/ShutterstockAnushka Asthana Political editor
[FONT="]Tuesday 27 December 2016 11.45 ESTFirst published on Tuesday 27 December 2016 11.34 EST[/FONT]
[h=3]
Shares[/h][FONT="]2,017[/FONT]
Children of Bangladeshi and Pakistani origin in Britain have outperformed other ethnic groups to achieve rapid improvements at every level of education, but are significantly less likely to be employed in managerial or professional jobs than their white counterparts, according to a study.
A report to be published on Wednesday by the governments Social Mobility Commission says the trend is being driven in part by workplace discrimination, particularly against Muslim women.
The commissions chair, Alan Milburn, said the findings showed that Britain was a long way from offering a level playing field to non-white groups, and called for urgent action to break down barriers.
The British social mobility promise is that hard work will be rewarded. This research suggests that promise is being broken for too many people in our society, Milburn said. He argued that it was striking that people who were making the greatest advances at school were still missing out in the workplace.
[FONT="][h=1]Casey review raises alarm over social integration in the UK[/h][/FONT]
[FONT="]Read more[/FONT]
The wide-ranging study, commissioned by Milburns group and carried out by academics from LKMco and Education Datalab, also offers stark warnings for a number of other ethnic and social groups, including the white working classes.
It found that the gap between the performance of pupils from the poorest and better-off households was widest for white British families.
Minority ethnic pupils are outperforming white working class children in English tests throughout school, with white British teenagers coming bottom of the pile in the subject at GCSE level.
Moreover, just one in 10 of the cohort go on to university compared with three in 10 for black Caribbean, five in 10 for Bangladeshi, and nearly seven in 10 for Chinese children from similar economic backgrounds.
The researchers suggest family behaviour as one factor in explaining the trend, citing evidence that white working class parents alongside Roma, Gypsy and Traveller groups tend to be less engaged in their childrens education than other ethnic groups.
There is also a warning for black families, with evidence that although children enter school achieving at an average level, they slip behind to be the worst performers at maths GCSE, the most likely to be excluded, and the least likely to achieve a good degree.
Secondary school is where black pupils attainment falls behind substantially, according to the report. Only 63% achieve a C in maths GCSE, compared with a national average of 68%, and for black boys the figure is worse, at 60%. This translates into strikingly low attainment in science, technology, engineering and maths A-levels.
The report says the university dropout rate among black pupils is 11%, compared with 5% for Chinese and 7% for other Asian and white undergraduates.
The reports recommendations include:
- The government should take action to discourage schools from setting children by ability, particularly at primary level, because of evidence that it could have a profound negative impact on pupils future social mobility.
- Teachers should urgently act to ensure that white working class parents, and those from Gypsy, Roma and Traveller groups, engage more in their childrens education amid evidence that they do so far less than some minority ethnic counterparts.
- Universities should do more to reach out to white working class pupils because of the proportionally low numbers entering higher education, and take action to understand the unusually high dropout rate among black students.
- There should be targeted support from schools, universities and employers to help Muslim women achieve their career ambitions.
The study found that while there was a positive peer effect for children in the top sets, overall there was no improvement in average performance. Moreover, it found that poorer children were more likely to be placed in lower sets, creating a vicious circle.
Menzies said there could also be an issue for summer-born children who could be almost a year younger than some peers and could wrongly be put in lower sets and labelled as weaker pupils. That could then become a self-fulfilling prophecy, he said.
Having been a pupil in top sets and a teacher who found it easier to teach kids in sets, its difficult to accept that this is what the evidence shows, but it does and the kids who suffer are most vulnerable, he said.
[FONT="][h=1]Children from poorer areas 'make two years' less progress' at school[/h][/FONT]
[FONT="]Read more[/FONT]
On the issue of white working class parents being less engaged, the reports points to a number of studies, including those that suggest there could be higher aspirations and expectations among some minority ethnic parents for their children.
One study quoted claims that Indian children in Britain were much more likely to complete their homework five days a week and to have access to a computer at home. Another showed higher engagement among Pakistani and Bangladeshi families.
It suggested the trend could help explain why there is a much smaller gap between the school performance of the poorest and best-off in other ethnic groups.
There is also some evidence that girls and boys can perform differently depending on how they are treated, with some parents pushing female pupils towards more altruistic roles, while male pupils have expectations around power and money. One study suggests girls who reject traditional gender roles and want to delay motherhood do better at school.
Both Milburn and Menzies argued that the findings showed that for some groups in particular Muslim women hard work at school was not being fairly paid off.
The reports lead author, Bart Shaw, said discrimination was part of the reason, although he also highlighted cultural norms, family expectations and geography.
Meanwhile in education, differences arise from access to schools, teachers perceptions of behaviour and practices such as tiering and setting. Out-of-school factors such as parental expectations and support also play a critical role, he said.
[h=2]Since youre here[/h]we have a small favor to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever but far fewer are paying for it. And advertising revenues across the media are falling fast. So you can see why we need to ask for your help. The Guardian's independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce. But we do it because we believe our perspective matters because it might well be your perspective, too.
If everyone who reads our reporting, who likes it, helps to pay for it our future would be much more secure.
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ThirdUmpireFinger
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why you dont want your wife to work? Because you are rich or you have problem with female working outside home? If you have problem with ladies doing jobs then you dont even fit in Pakistani culture let alone UK culture.
You cant have prosper society when majority is sitting at home disucssing gossips and wasting time on star dramas. All girls and boys has same responsibilities in society and neither one of them has more duties to perform than the others.
Working ladies can educate their children much better than those who knows nothing other than sitting home and discussing black majic and rishta and talaq.
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Living in UK for more than decade and being doctor i can tell you intresting observation.
1. Most of the families from Pakistani are from low educated background like Mir puri, jehlum etc. which also reflects in their jobs.
2. It is also true that most of our housewifes dont work even from very educated families and professionals the reason is they want to give best time to their family which is also evident that later these Pakistani's kids are very good in education.
3. They income of lots of Pakistani's is very discrete as they want benefits as well work for cash like in Cabing etc, so its hard to know exectly their income.
In nutshell the 4rd generation of Pakistanis is not as hard working or into education like their ancisters were so in future things will change and will be seen in two decades. This is what my observation is if some one find it offensive than sorry in advance
1. Most of the families from Pakistani are from low educated background like Mir puri, jehlum etc. which also reflects in their jobs.
2. It is also true that most of our housewifes dont work even from very educated families and professionals the reason is they want to give best time to their family which is also evident that later these Pakistani's kids are very good in education.
3. They income of lots of Pakistani's is very discrete as they want benefits as well work for cash like in Cabing etc, so its hard to know exectly their income.
In nutshell the 4rd generation of Pakistanis is not as hard working or into education like their ancisters were so in future things will change and will be seen in two decades. This is what my observation is if some one find it offensive than sorry in advance
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agreed. Thread starter is saying right. Mostly kishmiris and dam effectee (govt took their land for building dam)went their and doing rough jobs and their kids selling drugs for easy money or mostly are on social benifits. After taxis (cabbie) their main bussines is chicken shops or off licenses thats what most of them do. While indian they are on mostly white collar jobs including banking and stock and most managerial positions. These pakistani peoples only did one thing here "miki england kharoo"
if anyone had a chance to visit bradford ,luton, nottingham he will see these pakistani( english say them paki) same as 30-40 years old pakistani with same backword thinking and tandoor in back yard and charpaee in front garden and their women same back biting as they use to do in pakistan. Some of them you will see in bookkies(william hill,coral,paddy power etc) playing with their social benefit money
if anyone had a chance to visit bradford ,luton, nottingham he will see these pakistani( english say them paki) same as 30-40 years old pakistani with same backword thinking and tandoor in back yard and charpaee in front garden and their women same back biting as they use to do in pakistan. Some of them you will see in bookkies(william hill,coral,paddy power etc) playing with their social benefit money
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Taramasih
Senator (1k+ posts)
this is because of lower level of education , fraud ,cheating , jahalat is because of low education.
Taramasih
Senator (1k+ posts)
nepali.nationalist
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ArsalanKhan
Voter (50+ posts)
its fact if out of four , fourth is taxi driver definitely he has no other option then be one.......lets work hard and prove ourselves better,,,
