Pakistan at the brink of Sovereign default on its IPP dues

AsifAmeer

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[h=1]UPDATE NEWS: IPPs give 72-hour ultimatum[/h]

LAHORE - The advisory council of independent power producers (IPPs) has issued an ultimatum of 72 hours to the government for the non-payment of Rs 34 billion, failing which the IPPs legal counsel will proceed with legal options. The ultimatum was issued after the failure of government to honor its sovereign commitment. Moreover, eight IPPs served another fresh notice for payment of Rs 9 billion to the government. Sources said the government must act positively to avoid any embarrassment in court of law, as the industry was facing a hard time with severe cash crunch, especially when banks had stopped further loans. However, in the larger national interest, the IPPs are continuing to run their plants on the basis of fuel payment they got from NTDC for a few hours. The sources revealed that despite this huge default, the IPPs were generating power per their commitment based on funds they were given for fuel, but the situation was getting worse day by day.

The IPPs would soon start to default on their loans, both short-term and project loans from the banks, which would cause another of Pakistani industry (banks) to collapse. The sources said since the deadline of the final 10-day notice of Rs 34 billion payment ended on May 4, 2012, which was served by the same eight IPPs on April 19, it had become evident that soon the IPPs would have all their investment jeopardized by the government’s indifference towards financial woes of these power producers. They said a case outside Pakistan against this sovereign default would immediately result in severe reactions by the global financial sectors. The banks, they added, would stop honouring trade documents from Pakistani banks and would insist on cash payments.


PERSONAL NOTE: I have mentioned in the past that I expect the Commercial Banks in Pakistan to collapse. I was thinking that it would be triggered by Govt bonds loosing values, hence erasing bank capital. I missed this situation. I am honestly starting to feel that the Greek default will come after Pakistan's default.




Saif Power, Liberty Tech, Nishat Power, Nishat Chunian Power, Oriental Power, Saphire Power, Halmore Power and Atlas Power have all presented notices to the Government for payment of their dues. – File photo

http://dawn.com/2012/05/04/govt-may-face-default-on-ipps-dues/




LAHORE: The government is on the edge of sovereign default unless it pays by Friday (today) evening eight independent power producers (IPPs) their dues of Rs34 billion on account of electricity purchased from them in October and November last year.

“We would be forced to shut down our plants and stop producing electricity if the payment of our outstanding dues is not made by tomorrow evening,” the CEO of one of the IPPs told Dawn on Thursday on condition of anonymity.

The eight IPPS that have invoked sovereign guarantee together produce 1,700 megawatts of electricity. “The closure of the plants and non-compliance of the contractual obligations by the government will also lead the IPPs to default on their quarterly payments on their bank loans,” he said.

In all, the government owes a sum of Rs59bn against electricity purchased from the eight IPPs since October last.
“The delay in payment of our dues will jeopardise our investment of Rs200 billion. We are no longer able to purchase fuel and pay back our project loans of $1.6 billion to the banks because of the government’s default on our dues,” a senior executive of another IPP said while talking to this reporter.

”It is simply not possible to run power plants without finance, but the government is not paying any heed to this issue that will worsen the power crisis in the country,” he said.

He said the government had called them for meetings in Islamabad a week ago to ask them to withdraw their notices instead of paying their dues.

He said the power producers would operate only if and when the government pays them their electricity price.

He said the IPPs — Saif Power, Liberty Tech, Nishat Power, Nishat Chunian Power, Oriental Power, Saphire Power, Halmore Power and Atlas Power — were forced to put the government on notice in accordance with their contracts because Pepco, the power purchaser, had failed to clear its dues within the agreed period for power supplied to it by them.

“As the government is the sovereign guarantor, the IPPs after exhausting all legal avenues, including serving notices to Pepco, invoked the guarantee,” he said.



PERSONAL NOTE: See that $1.6 billion.. Thats in DOLLARS. Govt cannot print it. Check out the M2 Statement from State Bank. See that negative -244,804? I was warning then that your commercial banks are gonna get hammered. I wont go into too much detail but do not keep too much money in commercial banks. Do not hold alot of Rupee cash.


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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Summers are already hot... were paying $500 a month for back up generators already because of 3 hrs of loadshedding... if its 6-12 hrs we wont even be able to afford the generators for most of the day.... not including the electricity bills which are increasing every month. The rupees that were wasting here on water and electricity and security if we lived in another country we wud hav had a more comfortable lifestyle than this.
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am thick is this a Federal debt, why ?

Secondly who was this Electric supplied to,
and why are they not paying for it
Why would a supplier let a debt run so high,
when an ordinary Citizen can have his Electricity supply cut off for small bills which are unpaid

and why is the Government (not) paying for it, as a Guarantor ?

If I try to put two and two together, The Gov is not in the business of buying and selling Electric ?

If the Electric has been supplied, someone must have paid for it ? Where has the money gone, or is the Gov giving away free Electric by not paying for it

Seems like a sorry mess and beyond my comprehension, but I would like to know what is going on here

Someone indulge me and explain
 

Keepinformed

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Summers are already hot... were paying $500 a month for back up generators already because of 3 hrs of loadshedding... if its 6-12 hrs we wont even be able to afford the generators for most of the day.... not including the electricity bills which are increasing every month. The rupees that were wasting here on water and electricity and security if we lived in another country we wud hav had a more comfortable lifestyle than this.

Think about it? You only have a few years to live on this planet. Leave the hell hole and move to a country where you can have the basics at least.

There is a life better than being donkeys and monkeys.
 
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Shah Zad

Banned
Dear brother asif, can you please write how to post thread on Siasat.pk ....... as i have searched all around, i couldn't find any option to upload some thread ..... Jazak Allah
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I am thick is this a Federal debt, why ?

Secondly who was this Electric supplied to,
and why are they not paying for it
Why would a supplier let a debt run so high,
when an ordinary Citizen can have his Electricity supply cut off for small bills which are unpaid

and why is the Government (not) paying for it, as a Guarantor ?

If I try to put two and two together, The Gov is not in the business of buying and selling Electric ?

If the Electric has been supplied, someone must have paid for it ? Where has the money gone, or is the Gov giving away free Electric by not paying for it

Seems like a sorry mess and beyond my comprehension, but I would like to know what is going on here

Someone indulge me and explain

Brother, call me crazy if you will, but its a conspiracy by the US to its sponsored govt of Zardari to destroy our institutions. Zardari hold back payments. As soon as there is a severe protest or long march, you will see him release the money overnight to pacify people and derail protest.

1. They meaning the US, are mixing mind controlling substance in the water purifying plants that bottles water. You know that from a clerk to a TV anchor is drinking out of bottle. This substance actually neutralizes people's patriotism to the extent that they do not care whats happening in the country.

2. They meaning the US has paid TV channels to broadcast music tones. News, commercials, nits n bytes on TV are bombarding the Pakistanis with subliminal message that 'dont make any move to protest, every thing is fine' and so the ills of our country goes unnoticed and people dont take it on streets.

Do you remember Munter meeting FazlurRahamn and them immediately Rahman was invited at Ghaddari palace for dinner. After the dinner fazlurRahman softened his tone against the pening of NATO supplies. What do you think happened? Mind controlling substance again.

I know some or most you are thinking I am senile, but mark my words it will be proven sooner or later then Pakis will regret sitting idle all this while and let the anti-state elements take over

Sad thing is the very same people whom we trust (IK or NS or AH, depending on whom you support) are also quiet. They are nothing but full of hot air. Shitty 'jamhooriat' is more important to them than our lives or country for that matter.

IK has been big talk, I will do this, or I will do that, in reality he has done nothing. Prove me wrong.

IK must never accept, if offered, dinner invitation from Ghaddari office or any other govt office.

We honestly need few Mumtaz Qadri's.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
The house I live in, its pretty huge 3200sqft .. single story. My bill was $88 last month. I crack my AC to 65F or 18C...

Anything about $300 even in the US is insane.

Summers are already hot... were paying $500 a month for back up generators already because of 3 hrs of loadshedding... if its 6-12 hrs we wont even be able to afford the generators for most of the day.... not including the electricity bills which are increasing every month. The rupees that were wasting here on water and electricity and security if we lived in another country we wud hav had a more comfortable lifestyle than this.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The house I live in, its pretty huge 3200sqft .. single story. My bill was $88 last month. I crack my AC to 65F or 18C...

Anything about $300 even in the US is insane.


holy!!! 3200SF is a huge farmer's ranch

got any room for rent? lmao
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Ok.. I'll give it a try. Folks correct me whereever I may be wrong.

Power is produced by the Private sector. Distributed by the Govt. Private sector imports Oil, involving the State Bank of Pakistan to release DOLLARS to the Crude Exporters. Mind it, Govt cannot print dollars nor can it tax its ppl to pay dollar. There are only 2 inflows of dollars.
  • Remittance
  • Pakistan Exports

Now where does the buck stop.
  • Govt is subsidizing the price. If cost is 9 cents, Govt is selling it for 7, at a loss of 2. This loss accumulates in the circular debt.
  • Power leakage (power theft)
  • Rupee devaluation. Govt charges in Rs, but cost is in Dollars. If Rs devalues, the difference adds to the circular debt.

I tried to keep it as simple and some statements are pretty generalized. But you get the broader picture.

I am thick is this a Federal debt, why ?

Secondly who was this Electric supplied to,
and why are they not paying for it
Why would a supplier let a debt run so high,
when an ordinary Citizen can have his Electricity supply cut off for small bills which are unpaid

and why is the Government (not) paying for it, as a Guarantor ?

If I try to put two and two together, The Gov is not in the business of buying and selling Electric ?

If the Electric has been supplied, someone must have paid for it ? Where has the money gone, or is the Gov giving away free Electric by not paying for it

Seems like a sorry mess and beyond my comprehension, but I would like to know what is going on here

Someone indulge me and explain
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Go to the section where you want to post the thread and use the button POST NEW THREAD. If you dont have that button, you may need to get [MENTION=10205]Waseem[/MENTION] or the @admin to maybe enable that option for ya.

Hope that helps.

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Dear brother asif, can you please write how to post thread on Siasat.pk ....... as i have searched all around, i couldn't find any option to upload some thread ..... Jazak Allah
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Ya Allah rehem. Kya kar rahay ho Gazoo.. kyun duniya ko dara rahay ho..! lol
Brother, call me crazy if you will, but its a conspiracy by the US to its sponsored govt of Zardari to destroy our institutions. Zardari hold back payments. As soon as there is a severe protest or long march, you will see him release the money overnight to pacify people and derail protest.

1. They meaning the US, are mixing mind controlling substance in the water purifying plants that bottles water. You know that from a clerk to a TV anchor is drinking out of bottle. This substance actually neutralizes people's patriotism to the extent that they do not care whats happening in the country.

2. They meaning the US has paid TV channels to broadcast music tones. News, commercials, nits n bytes on TV are bombarding the Pakistanis with subliminal message that 'dont make any move to protest, every thing is fine' and so the ills of our country goes unnoticed and people dont take it on streets.

Do you remember Munter meeting FazlurRahamn and them immediately Rahman was invited at Ghaddari palace for dinner. After the dinner fazlurRahman softened his tone against the pening of NATO supplies. What do you think happened? Mind controlling substance again.

I know some or most you are thinking I am senile, but mark my words it will be proven sooner or later then Pakis will regret sitting idle all this while and let the anti-state elements take over

Sad thing is the very same people whom we trust (IK or NS or AH, depending on whom you support) are also quiet. They are nothing but full of hot air. Shitty 'jamhooriat' is more important to them than our lives or country for that matter.

IK has been big talk, I will do this, or I will do that, in reality he has done nothing. Prove me wrong.

IK must never accept, if offered, dinner invitation from Ghaddari office or any other govt office.

We honestly need few Mumtaz Qadri's.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The house I live in, its pretty huge 3200sqft .. single story. My bill was $88 last month. I crack my AC to 65F or 18C...

Anything about $300 even in the US is insane.

In my house we have 5 bedrooms each is about 300sqft and 7 inhabitants in total. Plus 2 servants in the servant quarters. My parents are not used to the air conditioners, Rest of us are in the office at day, so for most of the day the house is empty, right now my ac is at 28C.. My ac wasnt working this month so i got a new one yesterday... and the electricity bill for last month was over $300... even though there was load shedding of 3hrs on average and most of us only just started using the AC because of the sudden rise in temperature.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ya Allah rehem. Kya kar rahay ho Gazoo.. kyun duniya ko dara rahay ho..! lol

Some of this may be true, i heard rumors during the last flooding that chemicals were added into the river to reduce brain function and reproduction ability of the people, and some of my friends working in the NGOs also said they witnessed this. Many diseases today are man made.

Since we dont get line water, we have to purchase water from the tanker, each tanker costs around $20 and lasts for 3-4 days then we have to order more. Last week we called a tanker for water in the morning and they filled the tank, when I woke up and washed my face my eyes started burning. In the afternoon we called a water company that changes our water filters for drinking water to check the water and the impurities for drinking water was 75 (anything below 100 is acceptable) Nestle was over 100, the water in our tank was over 900. Then the guy put a device inside a glass of water and it showed sewage waste, and chemicals half the glass went green, brown and purple and all the dirt became visible. I never knew we shower in this ****. We dumped all the water and all the gutters in the neighborhood were overflowing ...
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Brother, call me crazy if you will, but its a conspiracy by the US to its sponsored govt of Zardari to destroy our institutions. Zardari hold back payments. As soon as there is a severe protest or long march, you will see him release the money overnight to pacify people and derail protest.

1. They meaning the US, are mixing mind controlling substance in the water purifying plants that bottles water. You know that from a clerk to a TV anchor is drinking out of bottle. This substance actually neutralizes people's patriotism to the extent that they do not care whats happening in the country.

2. They meaning the US has paid TV channels to broadcast music tones. News, commercials, nits n bytes on TV are bombarding the Pakistanis with subliminal message that 'dont make any move to protest, every thing is fine' and so the ills of our country goes unnoticed and people dont take it on streets.

Do you remember Munter meeting FazlurRahamn and them immediately Rahman was invited at Ghaddari palace for dinner. After the dinner fazlurRahman softened his tone against the pening of NATO supplies. What do you think happened? Mind controlling substance again.

I know some or most you are thinking I am senile, but mark my words it will be proven sooner or later then Pakis will regret sitting idle all this while and let the anti-state elements take over

Sad thing is the very same people whom we trust (IK or NS or AH, depending on whom you support) are also quiet. They are nothing but full of hot air. Shitty 'jamhooriat' is more important to them than our lives or country for that matter.

IK has been big talk, I will do this, or I will do that, in reality he has done nothing. Prove me wrong.

IK must never accept, if offered, dinner invitation from Ghaddari office or any other govt office.

We honestly need few Mumtaz Qadri's.

So no one else will do it hence its left to me to say what Gazoo asked for..


Gazoo is a senile crazy loon.

:D
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
mutherf...

I guess I see [MENTION=22120]Keepinformed[/MENTION] 's point k is it even worth it when life's this short..

Some of this may be true, i heard rumors during the last flooding that chemicals were added into the river to reduce brain function and reproduction ability of the people, and some of my friends working in the NGOs also said they witnessed this. Many diseases today are man made.

Since we dont get line water, we have to purchase water from the tanker, each tanker costs around $20 and lasts for 3-4 days then we have to order more. Last week we called a tanker for water in the morning and they filled the tank, when I woke up and washed my face my eyes started burning. In the afternoon we called a water company that changes our water filters for drinking water to check the water and the impurities for drinking water was 75 (anything below 100 is acceptable) Nestle was over 100, the water in our tank was over 900. Then the guy put a device inside a glass of water and it showed sewage waste, and chemicals half the glass went green, brown and purple and all the dirt became visible. I never knew we shower in this ****. We dumped all the water and all the gutters in the neighborhood were overflowing ...
 

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