Off The Record 24th November 2015 - Asif Zardari SSG, Cotecna Case Se Bari
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SAYDANWAR
Senator (1k+ posts)
واقعی مانلینا چاہئے کہ انڈین ۵۰۰۰ سال پرانی تہذیب ہے اور ہندو ہم سے زیادہ پڑہے لکھے لوگ ہیں وہ ججز کومہابھاڑو اور وکیلوں کو بھاڑو کہتے ہیں آپ پروف کریں کہ انڈین سے زیادہ مالشئے قابل ہیں۔سندہی میں کہتے ہیں رن تے وئی رلی بھی کنٹھی وئی ۳۰ کروڑ وہ بھی۹۷ میں جب ڈالرموجودہ قیمت سےتہائی قیمت کم تھا۔ارے ان مالشیوں کو حکومت برطانیہ جیسی حکومت بھی تسلیم کرتی ہے
zeeshan_xt
Councller (250+ posts)
What are you talking about?
If you paid attention you would know that its the COURT that acquitted Zardari.
Where else can you take the proof now?
Its this corrupt PMLN government who doesn't want to prosecute their cronies!
So you have already passed judgement on Zardari?? You have already decided that he is a criminal and a looter. You are so smart and intelligent that you know NS does not want to persecute Zardari. Wow! I mean shouldn't you be asking that all these TV anchors that come and sell corruption stories every night on our tv screens, call Zardari all kinds of names, who are they accountable to? If a politically motivated case against Imran khan is made tomorrow, and he is put away for 11 years, with entire media ripping him to shreds, how would you react? I am very interested in your answer.
khalilkhan
MPA (400+ posts)
m.a.adar c.h,od kahira tax choori karo to chori nahin hotti ek rotti gharib aadmi kartah hai woh chori hoti hai bohot bara madar c.h.o.d hai
zeeshan_xt
Councller (250+ posts)
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Benazir was and Zardari & NS are some of the most corrupt people in Pakistan's history. You know just as well as I do, court cases are not won by proof...they're won by who argues best and these people have all the money in the world to hire top lawyers who argue their cases. If these cases are truly politically motivated then why are there corruption charges/cases against Zardari but not Bilawal? He's also the leader of a political party. If you can't believe the proof you see on TV screens then i don't think there's anything i can say to change your mind and this argument is pointless. I believe the proof when someone shows it to me.
If Zardari and Sharjeel Memon and all the top PPP leadership had nothing to hide, why do you think they fled the country? I hope to live long enough to see the day when honest people are elected/appointed for accountability and all of these corrupt people are prosecuted and put behind bars.
"You know just as well as I do, court cases are not won by proof" No I don't. Court cases are won by solid evidence not on arguments, and judges make decisions based on the law. It is the law that decides what is wrong and what is right. Now you can make the law based on sharia or secularism. Most people including yourself don't even know that. Secondly, I don't pass judgments by watching tv shows, media is not a court. The court system is ok, when decision goes in your favor but corrupt when its not in your favor. This means you need to fix our judiciary.
To your last point, if Zardari and entire PPP is corrupt to the core, why didn't you punish him when he was already behind bars? why didn't you prove these cases for 15 years when PPP wasn't in gvernment? Why couldn't Ghulam Ishaq Khan or other clean brave generals like Musharraf prove these cases? where were you when they were in the country? I also long for the day when honest people with good morals are elected. Moral corruption is also a form of corruption, having sex outside of marriage is also against our constitution and Islam. Taking money in name of charity to build a hospital, is also a form of corruption.
zeeshan_xt
Councller (250+ posts)
Are you kidding me? In which world is collecting funds to build hospitals a form of corruption???
That's how they build and run hospitals everywhere...even here in Canada...its perfectly legal and moral thing to do.
You must be mistaken!
Fortunately for Pakistan, people who support corrupt leaders are a dying breed.
PPP...once a big force in Pakistan...has lost almost all its power and is limited to a portion of a single province...
Why do you think that is? Because its leaders are being wrongly persecuted? I don't think so!
Corruption of PPP leaders has sunk that ship...they have no one to blame but themselves...I'm glad most of the Pakistan has caught onto that.
What about Imran's personal scandals? Is Imran Khan going to allow his sisters, daughters, mother to live the life he lived when he was young? Third I am not going to discuss corruption cases on an internet forum. Because if you want to do that, then post original documents in pdf format of all the reciets, invoices, bills, bank transactions, and etc. Just saying whole world knows isn't going to convince a judge, and I am no judge so it definitely won't convince me. Are you going to do that?
I have no doubt in my mind that PTI is trying to get into power through GHQ and ISI because it doesn't have the public support it thinks it does.
zeeshan_xt
Councller (250+ posts)
Firstly, its not my job...nor do i have the expertise to dig out documents related to corruption cases...I applaud the efforts of people who perform this difficult task.
You see people on TV showing documented proof, yet you choose to dismiss it.
People have written books about Zardari and Sharif family's corruption like...Capitalism's Achilles Heel: Dirty Money and How to Renew the Free-Market System
If all that can't open your eyes then how is one more guy (me) with more documents going to convince you? I highly doubt that'll happen.
Your insinuation about PTI and GHQ is laughable...it shows your state of mind.
I take pleasure in knowing that corrupt political parties in Pakistan are on the decline...and their leaders are on the run!
Sultan Alvi
Minister (2k+ posts)
Kaira is a clever guy, and being a PPP guy he has to defend Zardari. Politics and ethics are two different things. Asad Umer has asked a very simple and relevant question. What was the purpose of registering off-shore companies if Zardari/Benazir did not want to hide their illegal money?
