News Night with Talat 18th April 2012 - Imran Khan

[QADIANITRUTH]

Have you ever seen any other Pakistani politician giving such interview or facing such tough questions even if he is not in power yet....

Can you imagine Gilani, Nawaz, Altaf Asfandyar..... facing these questions????

ONLY IMRAN IS THE BEST..

 

[BuTurabi]

talat was looking stupid while asking ''kia panchait main kawateen ki numaindgi hogi ?'' i cant believe on my ears ! talat is degred in my eyes,didnt he was prepared enough against ch.nisar.(serious) MASHALLAH khan rocks as always (clap)

Bro, I guess Talat was trying to ask how would women be empowered if PANCHAIT is constituted only on Men and by men?
Who would represent a woman or feminine thoughts if a family mater is discussed? Also, we all agree there has been some bad examples set by some PANCHAITs.
and
IK made it clear, there won't be any arbitration but settlements of disputed Lands and other small issues people go to courts for every other day. . . .:) !

 

[gazoomartian]

Have you ever seen any other Pakistani politician giving such interview or facing such tough questions even if he is not in power yet....

Can you imagine Gilani, Nawaz, Altaf Asfandyar..... facing these questions????

ONLY IMRAN IS THE BEST..

no doubt

but still, IK failed on the question of 'Niazi's and jageerdars. On village council

 

[Gladiator]

Ik does not seem to understand talat's questions.

the basic question is: if a village council hold elections, who will have guts to run against the 'NIAZI's etc.

All voters will vote any candidate that has the blessings of the jagirdaar.

Sorry, but disappointments. if he tries to enforce thru govt writ or by police, there will be bloody situation. the 'Niazi's will arm all their 'slaves' and confront changes. Niazis will never never give up their domain.

so what we should do now??

 

[Star Gazer]

Happy to note that some one discussed with IK in a positive manner on real issues and policies.

 

[pakistanstube]

Talent why you bring Imran. You are very state forward and go point to point. usually Imran come to program without preparation, and any sold answer.
This program is full of confusion. I did not find any outcome from it.

 

[gazoomartian]

so what we should do now??

Land Reform - from Manshoor of the United Patriots.

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[TD]In over six decades of history of Pakistan, Pakistanis have inherited Landlords, Nawabs, Jagirdaars, or
waderas from the British raj, defined as landowner(s) who own vast acres of land and farmers farm
the land for them. For the purpose of this document we shall lump, Landlords, Nawabs, Jagirdaars,
and Waderas, into one category called Boss and their farmers will be called Subject, for the purpose
of this document only.

Bosses have been enjoying the benefit of being the owners off the Subjects, targeting them with
atrocities, pay them in coins for their hard work of all day, worst of all, suppressing the Subjects of
their basic human rights. The Subjects are so confined to their Boss that they do not even know what
exists outside of their thatched homes. The Bosses run the community, administer the justice,
without any proper knowledge of the Pakistani Laws. Whether the Subjects are satisfied with the
judgment or not, they must be content with it because they have no rights or venues to file an
appeal.

Patriots believe that this practice is against the very basic Islamic principle of human rights.
We believe this practice and Boss-Subject relationship must be dissolved and the farmers (Subjects)
must be given piece of the land they farm on to the farmers to sow, grow, and sell creating a tax
base for the Bait-ul-Maal.

We propose that we pass a law allowing us to expropriate the lands from the Bosses in exchange for
a fair and a reasonable price. The fair price will be determined by the appraisers of the lands.
The committee would request the Bait-ul-Maal to appropriate funds on an interest-free loan basis
which will be paid back to the lender as we collect the principle and tax payments from the farmers.

If the buy-out option does not go well the Bosses then legislate to expropriate the lands and relocate
the Bosses into some other cities or town and pay them a reasonable money to live on.

We believe this is not going to be an easy task due to insurmountable pressure from the affected
Bosses, media, and the opposition parties. But we have the will, the desire, and support of the masses.
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[umair ahmed]

Basic point of this program is that land reforms must be made for this village empowerment program to be successful . .

 

[Zoaib]

Ik does not seem to understand talat's questions.

the basic question is: if a village council hold elections, who will have guts to run against the 'NIAZI's etc.

All voters will vote any candidate that has the blessings of the jagirdaar.

Sorry, but disappointments. if he tries to enforce thru govt writ or by police, there will be bloody situation. the 'Niazi's will arm all their 'slaves' and confront changes. Niazis will never never give up their domain.

What I got from IK's answers was that the villagers will get the guts to go against the jagirdar when the "thana" is not in their control. He also gave the example of the UK where there are feudals (having big landholdings) but due to the law being independent, the local councils work just fine and there is no exploitation. So it is a new approach to tackling the problem, let's see where it goes...In any case, I think in the very least it may weaken the hold of the feudal...

Also, I'm not very sure of the validity of Talat's assertion that MOST of the villages in Pakistan have different biradari's living together. What I have read is that most have the same Biradari, but a few have different living together because of migrations over the years. This needs to be clearer and backed up by facts because it will have effects on the electoral process in the villages and the fairness there...

 

[khanaman]

I know the village empowerment issue is a valid one. The fact is there will be teething issues. But does that mean it should not be done. Definitely not. I am from rural background in KPK. I can tell you many villages are no longer in the clutches of big zamindars. In such villages the system will immediately start bearing fruit. There will be problems in other areas which need to be tackled through other measures. Over time things will change if the police, patwari etc. are taken out of the influence of these landlords. They will gradually loose their control over people. this is going to be true empowerment but it will only come gradually.

 

[khanaman]

In any case the village empowerment plan is still better than what we have today where the villages dont have any direct access to development funds and are completely dependent on the District councils or their respective MNAs.

 

[saadkiakaray]

why is that stupid???

yes they shouldn't expect him to get everything right with just one programme but this is their job to raise all the relavent questions, we need to understand this.
just because of one damn question he is degraded in ur eyes and just because that question is about women!!!!

what is all that about! I mean which centuary do u really live in?? dear tutor ! not only one question ,talat was acted like he couldnt understand what ik said in manner to deceave viewers.i m not against women, why do i ? my argue that didnt talat know the culture of villages ? then he asked so many stupid questions on election in villages ,if he was so concerned on this issue whyhe didnt attend pti confrence on this issue.i have watch his programes since 2007. n now i can tell u he is not that talat as he was b4 or whome we respected.one day u ppl will know this.

 

[Zoaib]

Bro, I guess Talat was trying to ask how would women be empowered if PANCHAIT is constituted only on Men and by men?
Who would represent a woman or feminine thoughts if a family mater is discussed? Also, we all agree there has been some bad examples set by some PANCHAITs.
and
IK made it clear, there won't be any arbitration but settlements of disputed Lands and other small issues people go to courts for every other day. . . .:) !

From what I read in the PTI proposals, they've given the option of reserved seats for women in the Village Council, though IK was right in the long term women empowerment will require education for them to rise themselves.

 

[hussainy81]

Hai koi Ik jaisa..Rock on mate

 

[mnalam49]

I watch Imran khan interview closely aik baat mein clear kar don keh mein PML N ka supporter nahin hon is leyey mein aik natural tajzia karta hon.....in first phase mein jab umer key barey mein discussion ho rahi thi to mein feel karta hon keh umer kee aik credibility hai par swal yeh hai keh jab Talaat ney imran sey pocha keh Umer wahi hai na jiss ney Sasti roti scheme kee audit kee thi aur usney kaha keh us mein koee irregularity nahin hai..keya umer aab woh sasti roti scheme mein irregularity samney layey ga ya yeh sirf alzamat kee siasat thi keh us mein ghapla hoa hai.....Imran bar bar sasti roti scheme mein ghapley kee baat karta tha par yahan keh raha hai keh aisa nahin hai..yeh baat confused karta hai
2nd Village ka jo govt ka jo imran keh raha hai mein ney note keya hai is mamiley mein Imran khan khud clear nahin hai...Woh England kee misal ya mianwali kee baat kr raha hai problem yeh hai keh village mein mazarey hotey hain aur aik jageerdar hota hai ...ab village mein election ho ga to wahan par to waderon jagerdar apney bandey kharey ga woh panchayat mein bethey ga aur uskey under police aur intizamia ho gee yeh to un logon ko aur powerfull bana raha hai..iska koee wazih jawab nahin mila....masaila yeh hai keh village govt ka jo idea deya hai yeh Jahangir tareen ney ya lagharion ney deya hai aur yeh woh log hain jo khud barey jagerdar hain..woh to woh scheme lain gey jiss sey un logon ko aur power miley....yeh cheez kuch samajh nahin ayee....plz yahan par agar koee logical jawab dey sakta ho to dey yeh noon league ka naukar waghera jaisey logon ko jawab deney kee zaroorat nahin hai jiss ko debate karni ho sirf woh jawab dey....mein PTI kee philosophy ko samajhna chahta hon

 

[InsafianPTI]

yes it will happen, highly likely to, but you never know there are always people who dare to be couragious, aren't there??
But yes this process will be slow.
and we know Ik is not the kind of person who will support an oppressor, if people at large would willinglig do that then there is nothing IK can do,
In long term better financial conditions and education this trend can be changed and it will change, it has to change.

If police is not politicised atleast or govt is ready to take actions on any mismanagement of police this will i think help as well, But we should understand they real change will take time, IK don't have a magic wand to change this.
Butstill one thing should be clear that this system is the way forward, and so far pti is only policy to bring it in.
yes better planning and preparation is needed.

Ik does not seem to understand talat's questions.

the basic question is: if a village council hold elections, who will have guts to run against the 'NIAZI's etc.

All voters will vote any candidate that has the blessings of the jagirdaar.

Sorry, but disappointments. if he tries to enforce thru govt writ or by police, there will be bloody situation. the 'Niazi's will arm all their 'slaves' and confront changes. Niazis will never never give up their domain.

 

[ranaaamer786]

yes I agree with you, Talat Hussain is a unique TV achor, he putted the solid question to Imran which Imran khan answered very well. I just concern one question that Chaudaries interference should be curtained in order to make the Village council successful.

 

[ranaaamer786]

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[InsafianPTI]

I think u weren't listening to him properly, he has said that they will work on this issue too and that will come under a saperate programme,
secondly this jageerdar problem will be there in some rural areas not every where as we know now atleast 40% if not more is urban and not all the villages have jageerdari system, this prgramme was only focusing on how the local govt system will work.

I think police reforms, law and order, health education policy, land and agriculture reforms (what u just suggested) and corruption and tax collection will be planned in detail saperately(and if you watch all the programmes people did on this'pti local govt system' they were criticising all the above related issues which need saperate planning and policy but could not really criticise the system suggested itself, I still think Talat has done best analysis on this and is much appreciated).
From what I have understood some programmes they have them ready and some aren't as they need lots of research and expert views and reviews and takes lots of time specially to think about localising and implementing so many things which are completely new to society.
First of all IK doesn't ever prepare for any interview, secondly issues raised need further research and planning.
The programme itself which means establish a local govt system for development and distribution of resources.
and thats what it should be. Full Stop!

Land Reform - from Manshoor of the United Patriots.

[TABLE="width: 1006"]
[TR]
[TD]In over six decades of history of Pakistan, Pakistanis have inherited Landlords, Nawabs, Jagirdaars, or
waderas from the British raj, defined as landowner(s) who own vast acres of land and farmers farm
the land for them. For the purpose of this document we shall lump, Landlords, Nawabs, Jagirdaars,
and Waderas, into one category called ‘Boss’ and their farmers will be called ‘Subject’, for the purpose
of this document only.

Bosses have been enjoying the benefit of being the owners off the Subjects, targeting them with
atrocities, pay them in coins for their hard work of all day, worst of all, suppressing the Subjects of
their basic human rights. The Subjects are so confined to their Boss that they do not even know what
exists outside of their thatched homes. The Bosses run the community, administer the justice,
without any proper knowledge of the Pakistani Laws. Whether the Subjects are satisfied with the
judgment or not, they must be content with it because they have no rights or venues to file an
appeal.

Patriots believe that this practice is against the very basic Islamic principle of human rights.
We believe this practice and Boss-Subject relationship must be dissolved and the farmers (Subjects)
must be given piece of the land they farm on to the farmers to sow, grow, and sell creating a tax
base for the Bait-ul-Maal.

We propose that we pass a law allowing us to expropriate the lands from the Bosses in exchange for
a fair and a reasonable price. The fair price will be determined by the appraisers of the lands.
The committee would request the Bait-ul-Maal to appropriate funds on an interest-free loan basis
which will be paid back to the lender as we collect the principle and tax payments from the farmers.

If the buy-out option does not go well the Bosses then legislate to expropriate the lands and relocate
the Bosses into some other cities or town and pay them a reasonable money to live on.

We believe this is not going to be an easy task due to insurmountable pressure from the affected
Bosses, media, and the opposition parties. But we have the will, the desire, and support of the masses.
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[InsafianPTI]

for the first part yes we need clarification, we don't know wthat is the truth but if this guy himself was not involved in corruption than i think he can be taken,
if we can take some of the typical politicians (which u urself said they have powers in villages) for political reasons they why not a very highly educated person too.
To be fair if we start thinking that we will not take anyone from so called rich families than who will we go in elections? and also if these people as you say urself have such a big ground support then u really think pti will have any future in politics, in real politics and bring in any change??
I think it will be impossible.
Ik needs some of these people from elite class as long as there is no corruption charges on them, but he should be careful and make it fairer for all.

I watch Imran khan interview closely aik baat mein clear kar don keh mein PML N ka supporter nahin hon is leyey mein aik natural tajzia karta hon.....in first phase mein jab umer key barey mein discussion ho rahi thi to mein feel karta hon keh umer kee aik credibility hai par swal yeh hai keh jab Talaat ney imran sey pocha keh Umer wahi hai na jiss ney Sasti roti scheme kee audit kee thi aur usney kaha keh us mein koee irregularity nahin hai..keya umer aab woh sasti roti scheme mein irregularity samney layey ga ya yeh sirf alzamat kee siasat thi keh us mein ghapla hoa hai.....Imran bar bar sasti roti scheme mein ghapley kee baat karta tha par yahan keh raha hai keh aisa nahin hai..yeh baat confused karta hai
2nd Village ka jo govt ka jo imran keh raha hai mein ney note keya hai is mamiley mein Imran khan khud clear nahin hai...Woh England kee misal ya mianwali kee baat kr raha hai problem yeh hai keh village mein mazarey hotey hain aur aik jageerdar hota hai ...ab village mein election ho ga to wahan par to waderon jagerdar apney bandey kharey ga woh panchayat mein bethey ga aur uskey under police aur intizamia ho gee yeh to un logon ko aur powerfull bana raha hai..iska koee wazih jawab nahin mila....masaila yeh hai keh village govt ka jo idea deya hai yeh Jahangir tareen ney ya lagharion ney deya hai aur yeh woh log hain jo khud barey jagerdar hain..woh to woh scheme lain gey jiss sey un logon ko aur power miley....yeh cheez kuch samajh nahin ayee....plz yahan par agar koee logical jawab dey sakta ho to dey yeh noon league ka naukar waghera jaisey logon ko jawab deney kee zaroorat nahin hai jiss ko debate karni ho sirf woh jawab dey....mein PTI kee philosophy ko samajhna chahta hon