Napak Muslim Army that will fight Imam Mehdi

Jack Squire

MPA (400+ posts)
They will all be sinked in this world, but Allah will judge them on their intentions on the DoJ, as clearly indicated in hadith because some of them may not agree with the chain of command but are forced.

Also, there is no clear indication that this will be from Pakistan as you imply. Actually it's said to be Army of a Sufiani, most likely coming from iraq or syrian region.

I understand the emotions are high but for your own good, please do not apply Hadiths incorrectly. In general i agree Pakistan is way way below the standards of Allah to qualify as his force but ultimately it's all His decisions.
While I agree with not incorrectly/willynilly applying ayahs/hadeeth to suit one's agenda/cause -- when Allah SWT specifically declares something, we can no longer use the Innama-al-amal-o-bin-niyaat... in particular when there is injustice in the society and you do not do everything in your power to prevent it, you are indeed complacent as well..
"Those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves." Imam Hussain A.S

<<Abu Bakr (ra) was correcting the incorrect interpretation of this ayah. This ayah doesn’t give you permission to be silent when you see something wrong being done!>>
^^ detailed explanation found here:
 

Jack Squire

MPA (400+ posts)
They will all be sinked in this world, but Allah will judge them on their intentions on the DoJ, as clearly indicated in hadith because some of them may not agree with the chain of command but are forced.

Also, there is no clear indication that this will be from Pakistan as you imply. Actually it's said to be Army of a Sufiani, most likely coming from iraq or syrian region.

I understand the emotions are high but for your own good, please do not apply Hadiths incorrectly. In general i agree Pakistan is way way below the standards of Allah to qualify as his force but ultimately it's all His decisions.
While I agree with not incorrectly/willynilly applying ayahs/hadeeth to suit one's agenda/cause -- when Allah SWT specifically declares something, we can no longer use the Innama-al-amal-o-bin-niyaat... in particular when there is injustice in the society and you do not do everything in your power to prevent it, you are indeed complacent as well..
"Those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves." Imam Hussain A.S

<<Abu Bakr (ra) was correcting the incorrect interpretation of this ayah. This ayah doesn’t give you permission to be silent when you see something wrong being done!>>
^^ detailed explanation found here:
While I agree with not incorrectly/willynilly applying ayahs/hadeeth to suit one's agenda/cause -- when Allah SWT specifically declares something, we can no longer use the Innama-al-amal-o-bin-niyaat... in particular when there is injustice in the society and you do not do everything in your power to prevent it, you are indeed complacent as well..
"Those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves." Imam Hussain A.S

<<Abu Bakr (ra) was correcting the incorrect interpretation of this ayah. This ayah doesn’t give you permission to be silent when you see something wrong being done!>>
^^ detailed explanation found here:
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
I never claimed anything but quoted a hadith but seems like all current circumstances are pointing to this that you yourself and other implied that this NaPak army is our army. So don't blame me but blame yourself or the Pak fauj that either their actions are such that when I mentioned a hadith about a napak muslim army fighting Imam Mehdi then Pak Fauj comes into your mind.
You didn't ask any questions. You made a baseless, stupid claim. Shimaz has explained it, and I think I stated the same thing in your previous thread on this topic. The Hadiths makes it abundantly clear that the army in question will come from Iraq, (precisely the Sufiyani army.). What is it that your thick-headed brain can't comprehend?

You need to go back to school and learn English again. I asked a simple question. Where did I implied anything when I said following?

"Any guess who will be that army? ?"
 
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BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
Well now you said it (without implying this time)! But if you say so, although i don't think anyone calls roti a chochi here.
I only mean to say it for your own good. If you truly didn't, good for you.
Good will come out of it InshAllah.
I didn't say it.. I only quoted what you have implied.
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
38:29 A blessed Book that We sent down to you, that they may ponder its Verses, and for those with intelligence to take heed
Yes then you (and all of us) should ponder on Quran verses and let me know where it suggests that we can't take anything from hadith and sunnah? BTW how did you learn to pray namaz? where is it mentioned in the Quran the exact steps of praying and what to recite in prayers?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Yes then you (and all of us) should ponder on Quran verses and let me know where it suggests that we can't take anything from hadith and sunnah? BTW how did you learn to pray namaz? where is it mentioned in the Quran the exact steps of praying and what to recite in prayers?
Here are some more verses of the Quran for you to ponder upon. After these verses, you should not have ifs & buts. And if you still have questions, then you are questioning Allah SWT regarding salat (Namaz)

[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.
[Quran 7:52] We have given them a fully detailed scripture, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
Here are some more verses of the Quran for you to ponder upon. After these verses, you should not have ifs & buts. And if you still have questions, then you are questioning Allah SWT regarding salat (Namaz)

[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has inspired me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods besides God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.
[Quran 7:52] We have given them a fully detailed scripture, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
Just giving some reference of Quran ayahs to prove your point without understanding them fully yourself shows your low IQ level.. I asked a simple question that please give reference from Quran about detailed steps of namaz? and you mentioned Quran itself mention it has answers to everything without understanding the context. Now if there is no reference of detailed steps of Namaz in Quran then are you not actually proving Quran to be wrong because Quran is saying it has answers to everything? So, you need to understand the context of Quran claim without literrally applying to every situation. I hope you can understand this.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Just giving some reference of Quran ayahs to prove your point without understanding them fully yourself shows your low IQ level.. I asked a simple question that please give reference from Quran about detailed steps of namaz? and you mentioned Quran itself mention it has answers to everything without understanding the context. Now if there is no reference of detailed steps of Namaz in Quran then are you not actually proving Quran to be wrong because Quran is saying it has answers to everything? So, you need to understand the context of Quran claim without literrally applying to every situation. I hope you can understand this.
This is the problem with blind followers that they even question the word of Allah.
Even though the verses are clear that the Quran is complete and detailed, you still dare to question Allah.
Here is another verse for you that Allah is not short of words.


31:27 If all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean ˹were ink˺, refilled by seven other oceans, the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Surely Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
This is the problem with blind followers that they even question the word of Allah.
Even though the verses are clear that the Quran is complete and detailed, you still dare to question Allah.
Here is another verse for you that Allah is not short of words.


31:27 If all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean ˹were ink˺, refilled by seven other oceans, the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Surely Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.
Since either you are really dumb to understand or does not want to understand, let me put it one more time in simple words.

First, a funny story for you to explain you what you are doing. A man went to a shop to buy some groceries. He asked the shopkeeper how much for the 1Kg tomatoes. The shop keeper said Rs. 100 for 1Kg onion. The man asked again how much for 1Kg tomatoes. The shopkeeper replied Rs.200 for 1 dozen eggs. The man asked again how much for 1Kg tomatoes. The shopkeeper replied Rs. 300 for 1Kg apples.

The simple question I have asked is that if Quran claims as above that Quran is complete and detailed then please give me reference to detailed steps to pray salah from Quran?

If there is none then either Quran is wrong or your understanding of the context of this claim is wrong that you are putting this claim in a wrong context. So go ponder yourself about the above Ayah and don't quote random references from Quran just googling in 10 min without understanding the context of those ayahs. Otherwise if you apply this claim that Quran explains everything literally then there are many things that Quran don't explain. Then wouldn't the Quran claim would prove wrong? So, use your brain a little bit and next time before giving any more reference please first give me the reference in Quran with detailed steps on how to pray salah. And if there is none then you need to understand there are two sources of our deen. Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH (which now exist in the form of Hadith). Now, if there is a contradiction among some hadith and Quran then we go with Quran. Otherwise, we understand our deen from both Quran and Hadith in a manner where Quran provide the guidance and set the rules and then there are hadiths which explain those and you cannot just discard all the hadiths. There is a science of hadith classification that scholars have derived over the last 1400 years and then when we apply a hadith we make sure that it is not in opposition to Quran.

And regarding your sentence: Anti-Quranist cults are waiting for someone to save this world, in other words, they are saying that the Prophet Mohammad was not the last Messanger of Allah.

Who is saying that if Imam Mehdi will come he will proclaim prophethood? This clearly shows your low intelligence level to derive this result from the quoted hadith that Imam Mehdi will proclaim prophethood. The deen is complete and there is no new thing that is going to come.

Now, for your education, if you are really interested to understand the Quran, the claim of Quran that it is complete and detailed is "in the context of explaining the reality of the world (which includes who created this world, why this world was created, how this world will be destroyed i.e. judgement day and what is going to happen after that day)". It is low IQ people like you who thinks that Quran is claiming that it explains every phenomena, every event and every science equation in the world because if you accept this claim then you are opening the door for someone to prove Quran wrong. Every reference that you have mentioned above is about Quran asking people to not blindly follow Quran but question it and ponder on its ayats but it never says that Quran explains every little thing in this universe. E.g. you mentioned this Ayah:

[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.

If you read this ayah only, it seems Allah is claiming he has left nothing out of this book (although there are issues in this translation) but then you are quoting this ayah out of context. If you go and read all the ayahs before and after it and try to connect them in a homogeneous way, and ponder a bit (i.e. use your brain) you will come to the conclusion that the translation that you mentioned of "this book" is wrong. Here Allah is talking about "the book" of decrees (the preserved tablet) that everything is recorded in "that book". Otherwise putting Quran here will result in proving Quran wrong. I hope you will ponder a bit on my reply instead of making it on your ego to just try to put me down.
 

Shimaz

MPA (400+ posts)
Yes then you (and all of us) should ponder on Quran verses and let me know where it suggests that we can't take anything from hadith and sunnah? BTW how did you learn to pray namaz? where is it mentioned in the Quran the exact steps of praying and what to recite in prayers?
I'll save it for you. He is a munqir of Hadith/Sunnah (all of it) and Quran (picks and distorts what he wants). You can find out for yourself but i'd suggest don't waste your time.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
The simple question I have asked is that if Quran claims as above that Quran is complete and detailed then please give me reference to detailed steps to pray salah from Quran?
Once again, you are questioning the authority of Allah SWT.
If you can not comprehend the basic verses of the Quran, then I pray to Allah to have mercy on you and to come out of the illogical and irrational beliefs you have regarding ahadith.
Since you believe in the namaz, let me ask you a simple question, where did you learn to perform the namaz?
The deen is complete and there is no new thing that is going to come.
If the Deen is complete, then why in the hell this Mahdi character will come into the world for?
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.
Go read the context, it still means that Allah did not leave anything out of the Quran.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
According to the hadith of the Prophet (PBUH), when Imam Mehdi will come, a muslim army will come to fight him and will be sunk into the ground by Allah (swt) as punishment. There will be practicing muslims in that army but they will either not recognize the truth or will chicken out or will not break the chain of command due to army discipline. Guess what, THEY ALL WILL GET PUNISHMENTMENT from Allah (swt). Any guess who will be that army? ?

Fake mullah promoting fake Mahdi.

 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
Once again, you are questioning the authority of Allah SWT.
If you can not comprehend the basic verses of the Quran, then I pray to Allah to have mercy on you and to come out of the illogical and irrational beliefs you have regarding ahadith.
Since you believe in the namaz, let me ask you a simple question, where did you learn to perform the namaz?

If the Deen is complete, then why in the hell this Mahdi character will come into the world for?

Go read the context, it still means that Allah did not leave anything out of the Quran.
you keep showing your stupidity and I understand now there is no point keep explaining something to a person of your caliber. When I said "The deen is complete and there is no new thing that is going to come" the context was the deen is complete and there is no new thing in the deen that will come". Either you don't understand what deen is and so keep adding everything into the deen or else you are really a very low IQ person. Coming of a Mehdi is a prophecy by the prophet PBUH but it has nothing to do with the deen that Mehdi will bring something new into the deen. So try to understand the context...
Regarding your other video about fake mullah.. I dont know who is this mullah is and this goes back to the same story that i mentioned, the person ask for the price of potatoes and the shopkeeper keep telling him price of something else. You are not really answering the question that I have asked but keep giving random replies. That will be all. If you need my reply keep reading my replies and use your brain (if any).
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
you keep showing your stupidity and I understand now there is no point keep explaining something to a person of your caliber. When I said "The deen is complete and there is no new thing that is going to come" the context was the deen is complete and there is no new thing in the deen that will come". Either you don't understand what deen is and so keep adding everything into the deen or else you are really a very low IQ person. Coming of a Mehdi is a prophecy by the prophet PBUH but it has nothing to do with the deen that Mehdi will bring something new into the deen. So try to understand the context...
Regarding your other video about fake mullah.. I dont know who is this mullah is and this goes back to the same story that i mentioned, the person ask for the price of potatoes and the shopkeeper keep telling him price of something else. You are not really answering the question that I have asked but keep giving random replies. That will be all. If you need my reply keep reading my replies and use your brain (if any).
Once again, you are questioning the authority of Allah SWT.
If you can not comprehend the basic verses of the Quran, then I pray to Allah to have mercy on you and to come out of the illogical and irrational beliefs you have regarding ahadith.
Since you believe in the namaz, let me ask you a simple question, where did you learn to perform the namaz?

If the Deen is complete, then why in the hell this Mahdi character will come into the world for?

Coming of a Mehdi is a prophecy by the prophet PBUH
The Prophet Mohammad did not know anything about the future. Now try to deny this verse as well Mr. anti-Quranist cultist

11:31 I do not say to you that I possess Allah’s treasuries or know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel, nor do I say that Allah will never grant goodness to those you look down upon. Allah knows best what is ˹hidden˺ within them. ˹If I did,˺ then I would truly be one of the wrongdoers.”
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Coming of a Mehdi is a prophecy by the prophet PBUH
7:188 Say, “I have no power to benefit or protect myself, except by the Will of Allah. If I had known the unknown, I would have benefited myself enormously, and no harm would have ever touched me. I am only a warner and deliverer of good news for those who believe.”
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
The Prophet Mohammad did not know anything about the future. Now try to deny this verse as well Mr. anti-Quranist cultist

11:31 I do not say to you that I possess Allah’s treasuries or know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel, nor do I say that Allah will never grant goodness to those you look down upon. Allah knows best what is ˹hidden˺ within them. ˹If I did,˺ then I would truly be one of the wrongdoers.”
Again same story applies..just giving me random references and what I have asked you specifically, you dont have any answer to it.

Who says that Prophet PBUH have all the knowledge of (whether the future or his time). But he has the knowledge which Allah has granted him. Otherwise tell me if I take your above statement "The Prophet Mohammad did not know anything about the future." literally as you are taking statements literally then the prophet PBUH should not have the knowledge of the day of judgement or the life after death as well as the reference of quran you mentioned says "11:31 I do not say to you that I possess Allah’s treasuries or know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel, nor do I say that Allah will never grant goodness to those you look down upon. Allah knows best what is ˹hidden˺ within them. ˹If I did,˺ then I would truly be one of the wrongdoers.”. Now if I take this literally then the prophet PBUH prophecy about coming of a judgement day can be considered wrong as well (since what is Quran and how we got it?.. these are the words recited by the prophet PBUH in the end but we only trust him when he said these words coming out of his mouth are divine and Quran).

And how the hadith of prophecy about Imam Mehdi is conflicting with all this that you are giving reference? because either you apply the rule completely and if this prophecy is wrong there could be others that could be wrong as well. Now there is a science of classification of hadiths which are you not discussing but only outright discarding all the hadiths without realizing the consequences of it.

And in no way this cultivates the reasoning about being anti-quran cultist or questioning the authority of Allah swt because no one is denying Quran or the authority of Allah swt. You are just not applying the right context and comparing apples with oranges due to your ignorance.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Again same story applies..just giving me random references and what I have asked you specifically, you dont have any answer to it.

Who says that Prophet PBUH have all the knowledge of (whether the future or his time). But he has the knowledge which Allah has granted him. Otherwise tell me if I take your above statement "The Prophet Mohammad did not know anything about the future." literally as you are taking statements literally then the prophet PBUH should not have the knowledge of the day of judgement or the life after death as well as the reference of quran you mentioned says "11:31 I do not say to you that I possess Allah’s treasuries or know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel, nor do I say that Allah will never grant goodness to those you look down upon. Allah knows best what is ˹hidden˺ within them. ˹If I did,˺ then I would truly be one of the wrongdoers.”. Now if I take this literally then the prophet PBUH prophecy about coming of a judgement day can be considered wrong as well (since what is Quran and how we got it?.. these are the words recited by the prophet PBUH in the end but we only trust him when he said these words coming out of his mouth are divine and Quran).

And how the hadith of prophecy about Imam Mehdi is conflicting with all this that you are giving reference? because either you apply the rule completely and if this prophecy is wrong there could be others that could be wrong as well. Now there is a science of classification of hadiths which are you not discussing but only outright discarding all the hadiths without realizing the consequences of it.

And in no way this cultivates the reasoning about being anti-quran cultist or questioning the authority of Allah swt because no one is denying Quran or the authority of Allah swt. You are just not applying the right context and comparing apples with oranges due to your ignorance.
It seems like you have an IQ below the freezing mark, or you just pretending to be ignorant and kept on denying the Quranic verses I have quoted above. By denying the Quranic verses one after the other, it is confirmed that you belong to an anti-Quranist cult.
As per Quranic verse, Nabi Mohammad did not know the unseen

11:31 I do not say to you that I possess Allah’s treasuries or know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel, nor do I say that Allah will never grant goodness to those you look down upon. Allah knows best what is ˹hidden˺ within them. ˹If I did,˺ then I would truly be one of the wrongdoers.”
 

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
Since you keep repeating and moving in circles and really does not reply to what I have written. I am going to stop for my own sanity. There is no point discussing this with low IQ person like you who does not proceed further with the dialogue because unable to comprehend what I have written before.
 

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