Musharraf's validity & endorsements by Supreme Court

[waseemmanno]

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[Spartacus]

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[PakPatriot1]

We are not talking any dictator here. We still have many dictators in this democracy. All Jaagirdaars and sarmayadar who are running their political parties are not dictators?
By the book democracy never existed in the history of Pakistan. All the time, we have been living under dictorships of different kinds. Some times army some times civilians.
We are talking here a reformer, and for sure Musharaf was a reformer, and the other civil dictators kicked him out of the power because of their very own interests.

 

[waseemmanno]

We are not talking any dictator here. We still have many dictators in this democracy. All Jaagirdaars and sarmayadar who are running their political parties are not dictators?
By the book democracy never existed in the history of Pakistan. All the time, we have been living under dictorships of different kinds. Some times army some times civilians.
We are talking here a reformer, and for sure Musharaf was a reformer, and the other civil dictators kicked him out of the power because of their very own interests.

WELL SAID!

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

ya better go to school by now!! I better ask ya a simple question what ur ruling so called democracy has done for the nation?

The very existing of Pakistan was a result of people exercising it right to chose.It was not founded so, some one wearing army boot should run it like its own kingdom.If you care to look at the history of Pakistan, The army never allowed the political reform and gave it enough time to prosper.The division of the Pakistan was a direct result of neglecting the aspirations of the poeple and supressing their rights to chose.Army can never run the country and the Generals always trying to appease foreign Governments to accomodate themselves and to legitimize their existance. It is much easier to deal with a dictator than to confront a parliament with the member chosen from the public.In Pakistan's history, All dictators sold the soul of the nation to the foreign powers and worked on their agenda.There are some Politicians as well, who have done that and there are some who still doing it.Nevertheless, I chose democracy everytime over a dictatorship.I don't know about you but I can guess prety good that Dictators suit you well. But don't try to prom them up with self made stats which any dictator will do during his time in power.

I guess that ur knowledge is = 0%

yeah, And that zero percentage is more than what is needed for the answer you deserve.

 

[Jury]

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[Zaidi Qasim]

We are not talking any dictator here. We still have many dictators in this democracy. All Jaagirdaars and sarmayadar who are running their political parties are not dictators?
By the book democracy never existed in the history of Pakistan. All the time, we have been living under dictorships of different kinds. Some times army some times civilians.
We are talking here a reformer, and for sure Musharaf was a reformer, and the other civil dictators kicked him out of the power because of their very own interests.

You and your weired ways. So, we are talking about a reformer who happens to be a dictator.Don't talk about the dictator Musharraf, Talk about reformer musharraf.I will call him Busharraf, he is well known as this name rather than the reformer you suggesting.So, why don't this reformer coming in to Pakistan to reform us even more ? The kind of problem he left behind, it will take ages to solve.
Ask this sob to come and establish a political party in Pakistan and fight the election.There is a real problem which lies beneath this nation. It never hold anyone accountable for their screw ups. And there are those who love to see the dictatorship flourish in Pakistan since the opportunist can easly take advantages of it.And there is no shortages of Opportunist in Pakistan. Lift a rock from the ground and you will find tens of these suckers prop up from below.

 

[waseemmanno]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FaOKJ6OrlE&feature=channel_page[/video]

Thanks for sharing!!

 

[waseemmanno]

We are not talking any dictator here. We still have many dictators in this democracy. All Jaagirdaars and sarmayadar who are running their political parties are not dictators?
By the book democracy never existed in the history of Pakistan. All the time, we have been living under dictorships of different kinds. Some times army some times civilians.
We are talking here a reformer, and for sure Musharaf was a reformer, and the other civil dictators kicked him out of the power because of their very own interests.

You and your weired ways. So, we are talking about a reformer who happens to be a dictator.Don't talk about the dictator Musharraf, Talk about reformer musharraf.I will call him Busharraf, he is well known as this name rather than the reformer you suggesting.So, why don't this reformer coming in to Pakistan to reform us even more ? The kind of problem he left behind, it will take ages to solve.
Ask this sob to come and establish a political party in Pakistan and fight the election.There is a real problem which lies beneath this nation. It never hold anyone accountable for their screw ups. And there are those who love to see the dictatorship flourish in Pakistan since the opportunist can easly take advantages of it.And there is no shortages of Opportunist in Pakistan. Lift a rock from the ground and you will find tens of these suckers prop up from below.

Offcourse its result of election we are facing now. You better let everyone know who is better than Musharraf?

 

[PakPatriot1]

We are not talking any dictator here. We still have many dictators in this democracy. All Jaagirdaars and sarmayadar who are running their political parties are not dictators?
By the book democracy never existed in the history of Pakistan. All the time, we have been living under dictorships of different kinds. Some times army some times civilians.
We are talking here a reformer, and for sure Musharaf was a reformer, and the other civil dictators kicked him out of the power because of their very own interests.

You and your weired ways. So, we are talking about a reformer who happens to be a dictator.Don't talk about the dictator Musharraf, Talk about reformer musharraf.I will call him Busharraf, he is well known as this name rather than the reformer you suggesting.So, why don't this reformer coming in to Pakistan to reform us even more ? The kind of problem he left behind, it will take ages to solve.
Ask this sob to come and establish a political party in Pakistan and fight the election.There is a real problem which lies beneath this nation. It never hold anyone accountable for their screw ups. And there are those who love to see the dictatorship flourish in Pakistan since the opportunist can easly take advantages of it.And there is no shortages of Opportunist in Pakistan. Lift a rock from the ground and you will find tens of these suckers prop up from below.

That`s why I am saying Musharaf was a reformer and others are opportunists. To prove you, enough evidences have been given at the begining of this thread. Just go through them and let all us know what is in their baskets for Pakistan who are not dictators and claim themselves democratic leaders.

I told you by the book democracy never existed in Pakistan and there is no hope for it until we have a very corrupt and rottten feudal system in our society. See the root cause first and fix it and then become the advocate of the real democracy.

 

[waseemmanno]

Bugti has been alleged to have Indian backing. According to a report in the Urdu daily Ummat of Karachi, (7 December 2005) a Hindu leader from Dera Bugti and the former member of Balochistan Provincial Assembly, Arjun Das Bugti is the link between Indian secret agencies and the Bugtis. This is enough for your Bughti supporters!

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Pakpatriot:
Look, you guys are sympathizer of Musharraf. There is no doubt about it. He opend up another thread to praise Musharraf.
Now, obviously your party MQM was founded by a Dictator ( Zia Ul Haq) to counter the PPP in Karachi. There is nothing surprizing about your party support to Musharraf. As a matter of fact, when asked if MQM will support another army dictator in Pakistan in the future, Sattar Farooq didn't want to commet.since, MQM was party which came in to existance by a dictator, It will hold that line and won't waiver.

It just happens to be that Musharraf is from a urdu speaking family, MQM decided to support him even though you are claiming still to be against fuedilists. By just looking at who was with Musharraf, one can easily identify those fuedilist and Jagirdars who were supporting him.Some of the other crowd came from those who supported Mushararf to hide their corruption and some of them were blackmailed by him.

After taking Nawaz Sharif off, who were with Musharraf, Shaikh Rasheed, Pervaiz Ellahi, Choudry Shujat,Shear pao ... etc. These were the same politicians who were with Nawaz at his time. They deserted his party and went to Join Musharraf.Who else came along !!! ? MQM.

I heard so much that MQM is against Army dictators and always called pak army, Punjab army.But it was before Musharraf came in to power by force.Everything seemed huncky doory after that. mqm got a share of ministries. Thier funds got restored. MQM Haqiqi got punished. Thier head office was raised to the ground. Thier leaders were put behind bars and not a single words from your leadership or anyone who had some fear of Allah.
Now come to the point.When Bugti got killed, no Minister of MQM resigned from the post. Bugti helped Altaf and MQM when they needed it,but after a little noise , everything went hush hush.This is the opportunists , I was taking about.

For the sake of arguments,you always make noises against this failing system,but always wanted to be a part of it as well.

 

[PakPatriot1]

Now you are out of the context and came to your favorite one to hate MQM and it's supporters. So note my points in red in reply of your venom:

Pakpatriot:
Look, you guys are sympathizer of Musharraf. There is no doubt about it. He opend up another thread to praise Musharraf.
Now, obviously your party MQM was founded by a Dictator ( Zia Ul Haq) to counter the PPP in Karachi. There is nothing surprizing about your party support to Musharraf. As a matter of fact, when asked if MQM will support another army dictator in Pakistan in the future, Sattar Farooq didn't want to commet.since, MQM was party which came in to existance by a dictator, It will hold that line and won't waiver.Yes, if this is a crime then MQM doen't stand alone in the trial room (how about Z.A.Bhutto(PPP) to Ayub Khan, Nawaz Sharif(PMLN) and Jamat - e - Islami to Zia -ul Haq and recently Imran Khan (PTI), Pir Pagara and PMLQ to Musharaf, why all the firing only against MQM? Because you think MQM people are not the sons of the soils and the rest are unpunishable because they own this land.
It just happens to be that Musharraf is from a urdu speaking family (This is cat out of the bag now. Your opposition for Musharaf is because he belongs to Muhajir family, other dictators not), MQM decided to support him even though you are claiming still to be against fuedilists. By just looking at who was with Musharraf, one can easily identify those fuedilist and Jagirdars who were supporting him.Some of the other crowd came from those who supported Mushararf to hide their corruption and some of them were blackmailed by him.

After taking Nawaz Sharif off, who were with Musharraf, Shaikh Rasheed, Pervaiz Ellahi, Choudry Shujat,Shear pao ... etc. These were the same politicians who were with Nawaz at his time. They deserted his party and went to Join Musharraf.Who else came along !!! ? MQM.

I heard so much that MQM is against Army dictators and always called pak army, Punjab army.But it was before Musharraf came in to power by force.Everything seemed huncky doory after that. mqm got a share of ministries(we have to otherwise our development works would have een stopped and on retaliation another army operation in Karachi could be started, we are in ministries to serve the nation not to loot this poor country). Thier funds got restored. MQM Haqiqi got punished. Thier head office was raised to the ground. Thier leaders were put behind bars and not a single words from your leadership or anyone who had some fear of Allah.
Now come to the point.When Bugti got killed, no Minister of MQM resigned from the post. Bugti helped Altaf and MQM when they needed it,but after a little noise , everything went hush hush.This is the opportunists , I was taking about. (see the other fellow's reply on this matter)For the sake of arguments,you always make noises against this failing system,but always wanted to be a part of it as well.

BTW, when you are coming to Karachi for another army operation? After all 12 million MQM supporters and traitors are here come and get or kill them. They diserve it man

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Don't play it dumb now. I also said that all the feudilists were with Musharraf. How come you are climing to be against Fuedilists while joining the fuedilist to make up the government ? so, you needed money for the Construction in Karachi, therefore you sacrified your principle to get the money ..... Defination of Opportunist .....

Akber Bugti was a Pakistani National. If, you think he had some ties to the Indians( i Guess, your pir in London has much more strong ties with indians ) why wasn't he arrested and brought in to the court for the justice ? Another lousy excuse for deserting those who once were friends....another defination of Opportunist and shelfishness......


By and Large, you proving my point. Thanks for the explanation......

 

[PakPatriot1]

Don't play it dumb now. I also said that all the feudilists were with Musharraf. How come you are climing to be against Fuedilists while joining the fuedilist to make up the government ? so, you needed money for the Construction in Karachi, therefore you sacrified your principle to get the money ..... Defination of Opportunist .....

Akber Bugti was a Pakistani National. If, you think he had some ties to the Indians( i Guess, your pir in London has much more strong ties with indians ) why didn't he was arrested and brought in to the court for the justice ? Another lousy excuse for deserting those who once were friends....another defination of Opportunist and shelfishness......


By and Large, you proving my point. Thanks for the explanation......

Can you give us any proof that Akbar Bugti ever supported us?
Do you know for how many years he did not speak urdu language and bycot it? Once he was admitted in Agha Khan Hospital and when press came to him he said it's better to talk in english because urdu is a language of "Bhayyas". This is in record, go and search through the archives of 1980's and 90's news papers (I forgot the exact dates though).

Only Akber Bugti was a Pakistani national?
How about those who were killed in Karachi without any judicial trial in 1992 army operation?
Were they Pakistani or not? Or were they only "Ghus Bethiye"? Where is your shining and top class full of justice democratic personality now? will you do any comment on it please? No, you will never as you don't consider them Pakistanis.

If Musharaf or Altaf Hussain have committed any crime against Pakistan or Pakistani nation, why don't you people bring these culprits to justice? Now the judiciary is free and you have CJ of your own choice in the office? Why you and others are so much reluctant? Or you guys are afraid of a pandora box to be opened? and your names will be on top of the list in the crimes against this poor nation? or your masters in USA are not allowing you to do that?

What happened with that RADDI that Imran Khan took from Naseer Baber and went to London to file a case against Altaf Hussain? Did he prove anything there or it was just a rubbish to misguide the people?

We are not opportunists, we gave everything to this land and still not being considered full Pakistanis. We still have to struggle to claim ourselves Pakistanis. This is you guys who forgot everything about sacrifices and services of our elders at the starting days of this country.
But in this generation NO MORE. TIT for TAT my dear TIT for TAT.

 

[waseemmanno]

Akber Bughti was destruction for Pakistan, as he wanted a separate nation for Baloch people for his self interest. India has been involved in backing him up for this cause as they did in the case of East Pakistan. He was infact a terrorist.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Pakpatriot:

I proved my point with your help. so lets just look at your claim fo extra judiciary killings in Karachi/

Do you know that statement of your Pir Altaf Hussain from london, disclaiming his leadership and declaring to quit the leadership aftet the pictures of Torture houses came out in mdeia ?

As fas as the killings are concerned, you think those Haqiqi qorkers are not from Pakistan either ? Your leadership with the help of Dictator Musharraf, Buldozed their offices in Karachi, Killed so many of their workers with the help of local police and Fradulent charges were made against its Top leadership. Do you think they are not pakistani ?

So, you think your shit doesn't stink? Angels are on ground with MQM ........


Akber Bugti called you Bhiyya ? Is that what his fault was ? I guess on a personal level, you have a complex .You need to address this. My early posts addressed this issue in details. You definatly need some professional help .

Imran Khan will never quit .... do not worry. The queen's skirt won't protect your pir for too long. He probably still reharsilling the Birtish oath in front of his tall mirror every morning when gets up.....

 

[waseemmanno]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzoehNvRhjk&feature=related[/video]

Watch this to find out Musharraf's answer towards Akber Bughti.

 

[mcuk2001]

Pakpatriot:

I proved my point with your help. so lets just look at your claim fo extra judiciary killings in Karachi/

Do you know that statement of your Pir Altaf Hussain from london, disclaiming his leadership and declaring to quit the leadership aftet the pictures of Torture houses came out in mdeia ?

As fas as the killings are concerned, you think those Haqiqi qorkers are not from Pakistan either ? Your leadership with the help of Dictator Musharraf, Buldozed their offices in Karachi, Killed so many of their workers with the help of local police and Fradulent charges were made against its Top leadership. Do you think they are not pakistani ?

So, you think your shit doesn't stink? Angels are on ground with MQM ........


Akber Bugti called you Bhiyya ? Is that what his fault was ? I guess on a personal level, you have a complex .You need to address this. My early posts addressed this issue in details. You definatly need some professional help .

Imran Khan will never quit .... do not worry. The queen's skirt won't protect your pir for too long. He probably still reharsilling the Birtish oath in front of his tall mirror every morning when gets up.....

How can you expect anything good from a Z**NI??????
Everybody knows whats his intentions are. He's simply a
JEWISH PUPPET

 

[PakPatriot1]

I asked the following:

How about those who were killed in Karachi without any judicial trial in 1992 army operation?
Were they Pakistani or not? Or were they only "Ghus Bethiye"? Where is your shining and top class full of justice democratic personality now? will you do any comment on it please? No, you will never as you don't consider them Pakistanis.

And you replied this:

Pakpatriot:
As fas as the killings are concerned, you think those Haqiqi qorkers are not from Pakistan either ? Your leadership with the help of Dictator Musharraf, Buldozed their offices in Karachi, Killed so many of their workers with the help of local police and Fradulent charges were made against its Top leadership. Do you think they are not pakistani ?

Is this a right answer of my concern?
So, who needs a professional help, people will decide by themselves.
Akber Bugti was Pakistani....YES
MQM Haqiqi workers were Pakistanis.....YES
MQM workers are Pakistanis........No
Is that you want to say?

One more thing that I forgot in my last reply. You said with your dumb thinking as:

you needed money for the Construction in Karachi, therefore you sacrified your principle to get the money .....

Getting money from any govt. for the development of Karachi is not a crime. Karachi is mini Pakistan. The development of Karachi is not only for Muhajirs, it is for every pakistani. If any pakistani from any part of the country visits Karachi and uses it's hiways then who stops him? No one can do that. So if we are working here non stop, we are working for Pakistanis and Pakistan. For that we need money, if these feudals stop funding us and we start retaliation on it, and in return they start another operation against us then will you come out and support us?
No my dear no, you will be clapping with happiness instead or even you will act as informer.
SO PROGRESS IN KARACHI IS A PROGRESS IN PAKISTAN, SO LET' US DO OUR JOB. DO NOT DO OUR LEG PULLING JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT CONSIDER US PAKISTANIS.
As far Imran Khan as concerned, we always welcome him.