Musharraf cant return, even in 2040: Aitzaz

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan said that he doesn`t think Musharraf could return back to Pakistan, even in 2040. He said that Musharraf`s name was source of anger.
Talking to media in Thatha, he said that Musharraf couldn`t do anything instead of spreading uncertainty sitting outside the country. He said that in-house change was difficult to come in Pakistan. He said that PM`s majority would not be changed into minority. He said that the President has immunity in penal cases. He said that the court, during the hearing of civil cases, can call the President. He said that PPP should change its policies.
 
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Adeel

Founder
So he will be running the party from London??

Maybe Shareef, Zardari and Imran should also do that. It's alot safer than Pakistan
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
we should hang this monkey first....as he and some others like him agitated the system which led to ruining the progress in Pakistan under Musharraf...What do we have now?.IMF beggars, shameless mulaa crying about afia & lal masjid as well as the jamhoori terrorists eating Pakistan inside out...
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time

What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time his age would be around 97 years............But will he be able to run a Party at that age?


جو حرکتیں وہ شام کے بعد کرتا ہے میرا نہیں خیال کہ وہ مزید دس سال بھی زندہ رہ سکے گا۔

لیکن کہتے ہیں شیطان کی عمر بہت لمبی ہوتی ہے ۔ باقی اللہ جانے
 

HUNJRA

Councller (250+ posts)
i agree

This is also gonna be
second

ALTAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF BAHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

MUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE BAHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

TELEPHONIC LEADER
 

kapadias

MPA (400+ posts)
i agree

this is also gonna be
second

altaffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff bahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

musssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssse bahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

telephonic leader

allah kare altaf aur musharraf donoon ki umer bhi aitizaz ko lag jaee
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time his age would be

he is pretty smart guy. he chose his words very carefully. Inki baat bhi sahi ho jayegi aur woh zinda bhi na rahega. sanp bhi margya lathi bi na tooti :lol:
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
That is probably wishful thinking of his bloody mind.

If it is not true still Musharaf has not enough corouge to come. All his "Courage" has finished with his Uniform.............now he is not more than a Geeder (Jackal) baghora like Altaf.

Musharaf will also very soon start "Telephonic" Speeches like Altaf ..............but to whom ? .............LOL
 

Humble Pakistani

Councller (250+ posts)
What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time his age would be around 97 years............But will he be able to run a Party at that age?


جو حرکتیں وہ شام کے بعد کرتا ہے میرا نہیں خیال کہ وہ مزید دس سال بھی زندہ رہ سکے گا۔

لیکن کہتے ہیں شیطان کی عمر بہت لمبی ہوتی ہے ۔ باقی اللہ جانے

Now you are God nauzbillah (although after making your claims you put a disclamer that God knows rest)... Because you can see into peoples lives what they do after nightfalls and how long someone will live. Open your eyes man and see where Pakistan was just a few years ago and where it is today. You talk about democracy! Where is it in this country. How many political hold elections to elect their leaders? Grass root democracy starts with local bodies. What did this so called democratic government abandoned that? You are blinded by hate... So you do not see right from wrong now you will ever see. Pakistan is down the drain because of people like you who support the likes of Atzaz Ahsan who would never raise their voices again the looters who are their own kind.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Now you are God nauzbillah (although after making your claims you put a disclamer that God knows rest)... Because you can see into peoples lives what they do after nightfalls and how long someone will live. Open your eyes man and see where Pakistan was just a few years ago and where it is today. You talk about democracy! Where is it in this country. How many political hold elections to elect their leaders? Grass root democracy starts with local bodies. What did this so called democratic government abandoned that? You are blinded by hate... So you do not see right from wrong now you will ever see. Pakistan is down the drain because of people like you who support the likes of Atzaz Ahsan who would never raise their voices again the looters who are their own kind.

I am not God but I consider Mushararraf worst than Shetan, the acts he did in last 5 years in his regime. I think you have no eyes to see and no Brain to think. Musharad did very little good but it doesn't mean that he was angel. What did he do after 2004 are worst than worst and the current situation of Pakistan is due to Musharaf and due to people like you who had supported him for when he attack d on Waziristan, Lal Mosque (by US Pressure) and handing over more than 1000 peoples to US.
 
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Re: What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time

What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time his age would be around 97 years............But will he be able to run a Party at that age?


جو حرکتیں وہ شام کے بعد کرتا ہے میرا نہیں خیال کہ وہ مزید دس سال بھی زندہ رہ سکے گا۔

لیکن کہتے ہیں شیطان کی عمر بہت لمبی ہوتی ہے ۔ باقی اللہ جانے

bhai jaan wese wo shaam ko karta kya hai aisa kuch?
 

lovely_pk

Banned
If it is not true still Musharaf has not enough corouge to come. All his "Courage" has finished with his Uniform.............now he is not more than a Geeder (Jackal) baghora like Altaf.

Musharaf will also very soon start "Telephonic" Speeches like Altaf ..............but to whom ? .............LOL

Enough Courage.. Hahahhaha... I don't know why we get soo much personal while expressing our feeling. No Ethics or Moral values in making comments for others. Chill , sit back and relax.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Return Of Musharraf ??

Return of Musharraf And Pakistan's Balkanization




Pakistan has been turned into a war-on-terror parking lot: 3000 American Special Forces units operate in Pakistan at the present. Pakistans politicos have always shown remarkable generosity in passing down the costs of their decision-making to the people. Guantanamo is a thriving industry in Pakistan and the foremost field of Pakistan-US collaboration. Pakistans police, army and frontier corps are part of the American security system in Pakistan.


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At times, one may wonder at the seeming irrationality of US foreign policy toward Pakistan. When the floods struck, the US government was the most prolific donor, with USAID politicos expressing ready sympathy for the victims. American officials have declared that it is imperative to broadcast a beneficent image of the United States, worriedly citing polls that track the rise of anti-American sentiment in the Pakistani public. This is sandwiched by CIA bombing campaigns in Waziristan and hired mercenaries like Blackwater (now Xe) Corporation conducting terrorizations that alienate hearts and minds throughout Pakistan.

A fresh development in this schizophrenic saga is the return of Pakistani strongman Pervez Musharraf to the political arena. From his current perch in London, Musharraf announced on October 1 that he is creating a new political party the All Pakistan Muslim League to run for office in Pakistani elections. Proud collaborator of the War on Terror, his speeches show that the destabilization and social terror he helped inflict hasnt impaired his flair for the grandiose. Today, God has given me the opportunity to set the tone for my political legacy, he announced at his London press conference. Come join me in changing Pakistans destiny. It is not an easy task but one we must work for, as Pakistan is ours. Frederick Turner would be gratified Manifest Destiny indeed.

But Musharrafs return is hardly possible without international or shall we abbreviate and say, American support. As with Iraqi counterparts such as former spook Iyad Allawi, he belongs to the pool of collaborators who court funds and favor in order to return to their posts of glory in the Third World.

Lets cue the rewind button here. Musharraf assumed power in October 1999 after a military coup deposing then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. However, his political fortunes changed only after 9/11. Prior to this, US officials had sneered at the architect of yet another military coup, admonishing Pakistan with the example of democratic India which was then on the fast-track to becoming Americas bosom-buddy. With 9/11, US representative in South Asia, Richard Armitage, offered Musharraf an elegantly simple choice either join us or well bomb you back to the Stone Age. Musharraf likes his cigars and whiskey, those macho pleasures of civilization, so he opted for the Faustian handshake.

But like the necromancers curse, the grizzly reality of Stone Age was not to be escaped. As Henry Kissinger once observed, while being Americas enemy is dangerous, Americas friendship is disastrous. A discarded Cold War ally, Pakistans coffers had been dry and creaky. With the handshake, military aid poured in to the tune of $7 billion. Besides graft and elaborate pay-offs for army officers, Musharraf was even able to reroute some of the funds earmarked for fighting the war on terror into F-16 fighter planes for Pakistans armed non-aggression against India, or as one independent observer put it, toys for his boys in uniform.

Pakistans politicos have always shown remarkable generosity in passing down the costs of their decision-making to the people. It is a self-evident truth, bordering on a truism, that Pakistan has been turned into a war on terror parking lot: 3000 American Special Forces units operate in Pakistan at the present. The cost? Aafia Siddiqui is only the most famous case of secret abductions and kidnappings run by the FBI and CIA throughout the country.

To elaborate, thousands of people simply disappear, after commando style raids on their homes during night-time or high-speed kidnappings in public. Human Rights Watch has flagged this unconstitutional disappearance, noting the pain and terror this spreads in families and neighborhoods. When Pakistani Special Forces and the FBI stormed Zain and Kashan Afzals home in Karachi, they broke through the concrete walls, tied up their ailing mother, and threatened to kill the family. The brothers 5-month sojourn in prison reaped a burst eardrum, lacerations on the back, and other souvenirs of US attempts to win the hearts and minds of the Pakistani public.

As it turns out, Guantanamo is a thriving industry in Pakistan and the foremost field of Pakistan-US collaboration. In fact, Pakistans police, army, and other law and order institutions have been subsumed in the American security apparatus. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan conservatively notes that 5,000 cases of police torture are connected with the war on terror. The methods used in these interrogations should be familiar as cinnamon-scented apple pie: beating, burning with cigarettes; whipping the soles of the feet; prolonged isolation, electric shock, denial of food or sleep; hanging victims upside down, and forced spreading of the legs with bar fetters. The Iraq and Afghanistan playbook is clearly not gathering dust-mites.

And while most of the dirty work is done by Pakistani policemen, American interrogators stamp the whole operation as Made in the US of A in the victims minds. When Zain Afzal asked to be formally charged and tried in court, the FBI interrogators threatened to ship him to Cuba and told him, We are the court.

Musharrafs reign, which only ended after widespread civilian demonstrations for civil elections, also inaugurated the beginning of the Waziristan war.

The infamous drone attacks, which Obama parodied when warning the Jonas Brothers to stay away from Malia and Sasha at a White House event, are no joke for the Pashtun and other residents of the Pakhtunkhwa-Khyber (PK) formerly the North West Frontier (NWFP) province. Around 800,000 people have had to flee from their homes and are living in squalid, disease-infested camps with no water. Even the US media does not bother to cover up the fact that drone attacks are causing the deaths of hundreds of civilians. Media reports calculate that in 2009 alone, the drones killed 700 people. They have spread a palpable veil of terror over the area the Pashtuns call the unmanned aircraft bangana, or thunder clap for the sound of laser-guided Hellfire missiles.

While the war on terror gave Musharraf his credentials, it was also the war on terror that pulled the curtain on his political career. The lawyers movement, students movement, and other anti-Musharraf mobilizations from Pakistans civil society, were rooted in the public perception that he had sold the country, from its Himalayan crown to the Arabian Sea waters, to George W. Bush.

But US fortunes in the area only improved after the generals exit. Asif Ali Zardari has scrupulously taken up Musharrafs duties after he won the 2009 elections on a sympathy vote following Benazir Bhuttos murder. It is an open secret that Mr. Ten Percent treats Pakistan as his own personal Ponzi scheme, enriching himself at the expense of the 170 million people he pretends to rule. Meanwhile, the Black Ops, renditions, abductions, drone attacks, torture, and urban bomb blasts have only accelerated.

Even the most symbolic change, replacing military rule for a civilian one, is a fraud. As Patrick Cockburn writes in his recent article, Is Pakistan Falling Apart?, the army still commands the biggest slice of Pakistans shrinking economic pie. Military bases all over the country look spruce and well cared-for, while just outside their razor-wire defenses are broken roads and slum housing, he notes.

So, why would the US handlers dust off Musharraf and install fresh batteries in him, when Zardari has shown himself to be fairly reliable?

As it turns out, US policy toward Pakistan is not conflicted it is rather simple, like the five-year-olds plan of attack when his parents refuse to buy him the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers figurine. For all the souped-up rhetoric on the war on terror, the Pentagon recognizes that the danger of terrorism in Pakistan is hardly the harbinger of Armageddon.

Rather, the goal is AfPak balkanization, as it is rather inelegantly called. The strategic location of this Eurasian chessboard is tomorrows energy geography. In a world where energy has become the most scarce and precious resource, maintaining centralized states like Saudi Arabia in the region would be too expensive they would demand too large a cut from the profits. And while Pakistan has indeed proved to be a loyal and tractable ally through the years, its secularized elite has not been able to purge the stigma of Islam inherent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan before their imperial handlers. The reminder of this came with the bomb.

Pakistans death knell was rung by the sonic blasts and mushroom clouds of the 1998 nuclear tests. The nuclear tests followed Indias. Pakistani politicians and the military were forced by their rivals display of atomic strength to reveal their own cards and maintain the uneasy deterrence that prevailed since 1971. Irony is a rough taskmaster; this perceived act of self-preservation turned its superpower ally against the Land of the Pure. The generals and politicians could hardly have guessed that at the height of its prosperous liberal secularism, the Judeo-Christian roots of US political culture would revolt at the thought of a Muslim country stepping out of its place and acquiring the symbol of great power clat the atomic bomb. Many independent observers have noted the fact that the US decision to end its hard-to-get games in South Asia, and definitively ally with India dates from the 1998 tests.

So, what does balkanization look like in this region?

Pakistan is to be split into independent Balochistan and Free Pashtunistan governed by co-opted tribal proxies a la the Anbar Awakening in Iraq. As outlined by Colonel Ralph Peters in the June 2006 issue of The Armed Force Journal, these would be accompanied by an independent Sistaan, carved from a Persianized Iran, and a Kurdistan extracted out of Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. Peters also ruminates on handing over Makkah and Madinah to a rotating Vatican style authority and reducing Saudi influence down to a rump Saudi Homelands Independent Territory around Riyadh, where the House of Saud would be capable of far less mischief toward Islam and the world. Clearly, there is more openness and deliberation on how to carve the Thanksgiving turkey than there is on distributing territory in the Muslim world.

Let us measure the dough being baked in this oven. The rewards of transforming PK (former NWFP) and Balochistan into orbit states are fruitful indeed. India would be gratified by the destruction of its historic rival, securing a US-Israeli-Indian triumvirate that is already well on its way. Splintering Pashtunistan and Balochistan would ensure US control over the current PK corridor to the Afghan battleground and offer a convenient Balochi platform for invading and running black-op missions in Iran. Not to mention, it would guarantee a docile geography for gas pipelines being constructed from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. Balochistan itself possesses fabulous gas reserves, making it an important station in the emerging map of Pipelinistan.

Pakistans balkanization is just as much about keeping rivals out as it is about securing the best perch in the playground. The Iran-Pakistan Friendship pipeline (IP) in the works (formerly the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline before the US weaned away India with its nuclear fuel deal) is planning its route through Balochistan. While Pakistan can occasionally make such inconvenient deals with a neighbor that Israel and the US are determined to exterminate, the groomed Balochi tribes would follow more the acceptable Karzai pattern of subservient obedience. Meanwhile, terrorizing the PK is laying the ground for the USs own pipeline project snaking its way through Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI).

After all, why pay people to leave their homes for the greater good of American prosperity, when you can scare them away? As Colonel Peters helpfully declares in his article: one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: ethnic cleansing works.

Balochistan also boasts the warm-water port of Gwadar, constructed by the Chinese in the hopes of acquiring a maritime base near the Straits of Hormuz the most important commercial highway for the world transit of Persian Gulf oil. Heavy Chinese investment in Gwadar, encouraged by Musharraf, sparked widespread panic in US and Indian political halls. India accused China of nursing covert imperialism in the Indian Ocean, while the US response manifested itself in bomb attacks and assassinations of Chinese engineers and workers. The reprimand had its effect: China announced that for now, it is scrapping the Gwadar project.

As it happens, the patterns of terror in the Pakistani front of the war on terror closely match the planned outlines of a balkanized Pakistan. While abductions and kidnappings in major city centers like Karachi and Lahore garner the most media attention, most abductions actually take place in the rural provinces of PK and Baluchistan, exponentially increasing the despair of peoples that have no access to resources or venues to publicize their stories. Meanwhile, the US is co-opting select tribes and religious groups from these regions into the Pakistani version of Latin American militias. The CIA and ISI are mobilizing remnants of Taliban and Taliban-like groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba to run black-ops in the province and in neighboring Sistaan-Baluchistan located in southeastern Iran.

This is accompanied by efforts to train the PKs Frontier Corps, a ceremonial tribal police left over from the British Empire, into a formidable armed militia that will orchestrate Iraq-style bomb blasts and terrorize civilians. A report entitled Plan for Training the Frontier Corps is being circulated at the US Central Command headquarters, and the Pentagons current budget has earmarked $75 million for training the Corps in counter-insurgency techniques.

And while the war on terror perfected the Pakistan armys control over the country, it is actually a shortcut to its impending demise. Visibly involving the Pakistan army in their apparatus of terror, the US has successfully dissolved the political capital held by the military from the past three wars with India. As a matter of fact the Pakistani militarys proxy role is perhaps the canniest move in US program of balkanization. Once viewed by the Pakistan public as the stabilizing force holding the country together, the post-Musharraf military is now exposed as little more than a self-serving US tool. And while the US certainly does covet hearts and minds in the war on terror, it doesnt need all the hearts and minds. As long as a corrupt cadre can be seduced in their quest to gain natural resources gratis, the fury of a few hundred million people is chump change.

Within an Orwellian framework, Pakistan and NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan are deliberately being destabilized while there is talk about stabilizing them, notes Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya of Global Research. He is also right on the draw in pointing out that many of Pakistans elites are party to this agenda consciously.

This is clearly spelled out in our would-be Napoleons campaign trail. If Musharraf has learned a lesson from his 2008 exile, it is that his sole duty is to be a loyal employee of US War Inc. Plunging Pakistan into chaos and fear is hardly a source of regret it is that he didnt do enough for the Pentagon while in office. He promises to immediately redress this in his second reign over the hapless country. In a speech given last year at Trinity College, he made headlines with his statements that Pakistanis will simply have to buckle up and accept casualties from the war on terror.

We need to inject more forces. And may I say we have to defeat [the enemy], whatever it costs, he told the crowd. So therefore, may I suggest to this august gathering, we have to accept casualties, ladies and gentlemen.

He received a standing ovation.

Well have to wait to see what Musharrafs return to Pakistani politics really signifies. It may be the posturing of Le General anxious to show that he is still in touch with the country that afforded him fame and fortune at the expense of political enslavement. It may be that the US is determined to give him another run just for the sake of hammering in another nail in the coffin of the Pakistani army en route to securing the nukes. However, the other options arent appetizing. In the swing dance of Pakistani politics, nearly all of the politicos who promise to replace Zardari stink of the same graft and greed. As a Dawn Newspaper columnist aptly put it, Pakistanis are up to their necks in the nets of war and horror.

First published by usa.mediamonitors.net. Reach Zainab Cheema through her Web link.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time

What deoes Itizaz mean?????????? Will Musharaf Khabees would alive till 2040-- at that time his age would be around 97 years............But will he be able to run a Party at that age?


جو حرکتیں وہ شام کے بعد کرتا ہے میرا نہیں خیال کہ وہ مزید دس سال بھی زندہ رہ سکے گا۔

لیکن کہتے ہیں شیطان کی عمر بہت لمبی ہوتی ہے ۔ باقی اللہ جانے

Imran khan ki hrkatain b kuch mukhtalif naheen.
imran to mashoor e zamana play boy he abb play boy ka to pata ho ga na k kisey kehtey hain.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
If it is not true still Musharaf has not enough corouge to come. All his "Courage" has finished with his Uniform.............now he is not more than a Geeder (Jackal) baghora like Altaf.

Musharaf will also very soon start "Telephonic" Speeches like Altaf ..............but to whom ? .............LOL

Abb Imran [email protected] k pairokaar insaaf ki batain kr rahey hain.

jiskey bakool ghareeb admi ko siasat me ana hi nhi chahey kionkey vo corrupt hota he
 

fido82

Senator (1k+ posts)
No Atizaz 2 karoor ki fees layne wale tum tu chaoo gay ky Mushraf jaldi aee ta ky meri jaib gram ho. Atizaz hussain is the most corrupt lawyer in Pakistan.
 

fido82

Senator (1k+ posts)
مشرف کی آنے سے گنجا گروپ اورانٹرنیٹ پارٹی کی ٹانگیں کاپنے لگی ہیں. انٹرنیٹ پارٹی کی ١٥ سال کی محنت تل ہونے والی ہے
 

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