Mr. Madani, is this your india?
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Nepali Pandit
MPA (400+ posts)
Even with 100 Gujarat riots. India is better country for minorities than Pakistan or any other Islamic country. In general Buddhist, Hindus, Sikhs etc. are more tolerant to other religions than Muslims. That is UNIVERSAL TRUTH....
Indian Muslims pity you......
Indian Muslims pity you......
Bret Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
Majority of Indian Muslims now have negative views about Pakistan and one should be bold enough to acknowledge this glaring fact. Not many years ago I also had a very heated argument with my line manager, who was happened to be an Indian Muslim, and eventually for a brief period of time I had to lose my job as well. Now in retrospect when I try to rationally analyse this transformation of majority of Indian Muslims attitude towards Pakistan then I do come to this conclusion that the failure of Pakistan as a state has wider connotations in this phenomena of frustration and hatred of Indian Muslims. Needless to mention here that Pakistan was demanded from the colonial Britishers not to get a nation state but to establish a Theo-democratic state where the social, economic and political rights and justice system of Islam was believed to be the foundation of that state.
In reality neither Islamic state is established nor has the liberal welfare state for its citizens brought into fruition in modern day Pakistan. We have to acknowledge the huge and undeniable contributions of those Indian Muslims, who knew that fact emphatically that regardless of their own struggles and efforts, they would never have any chance to merge in the north-western and eastern parts of the then Pakistan but still they voted in the favour of the creation of Pakistan in the groundbreaking elections of 1946 on the question of holding the mandate of Muslim populace. All of those aspirations and wishes of the Muslims of subcontinent has gone down to the sink hole when the corrupt elite of this unfortunate country, which was gained after giving enormous sacrifices and afflictions of the Muslim populace, inserted their evil jaws of oppression and exploitation on to the flesh of this new born country.
The suppression of basic human rights, economic and social exploitation and ruthless mentality of this cruel ruling elite of Pakistan has sown the seeds of hatred and repugnance not only among the citizens of Pakistan but into the hearts and minds of Indian Muslims as well. As a result of enormous injustices we lost our Bengali brothers in 1971 and in modern days even the Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis and Siraiki speaking people of southern Punjab are now slowly embarking on the same course of sedition and aversion against the evil and slavish establishment of Pakistan. Time has come now to restore our house in order according to the demands and wills of its neglected masses otherwise no one can save this artificial state (Pakistan) to become disintegrated and dismembered on the scale of their precedent failed states of USSR and Yugoslavia in the twentieth century. Only wishful minded and hallucinated stricken buffoons like Zaid Hamid and his ilk can hold the contrary opinion in this regard.
P.S: I have no hard feelings about the frustrations of the Indian Muslims and I do share their frustrated sentiments in regards to the sorry state of affairs of this highly unfortunate state which has the enormous spillage of innocent blood and rotten bones in its genesis and foundation. We have betrayed the trust of not only our beloved ancestors who laid their lives for this failed state but also the trust of Allah SWT. We as highly aversive, deviant trust breakers of Allah SWT deserve every bit of humiliation, abuses, intimidation, discrimination and exploitation as subjected to us by our ruthless adversaries from all corners of our miserable lives. Only a sincere hearted penance and recourse from our bad habits now can save us from the total annihilation in the near future.
In reality neither Islamic state is established nor has the liberal welfare state for its citizens brought into fruition in modern day Pakistan. We have to acknowledge the huge and undeniable contributions of those Indian Muslims, who knew that fact emphatically that regardless of their own struggles and efforts, they would never have any chance to merge in the north-western and eastern parts of the then Pakistan but still they voted in the favour of the creation of Pakistan in the groundbreaking elections of 1946 on the question of holding the mandate of Muslim populace. All of those aspirations and wishes of the Muslims of subcontinent has gone down to the sink hole when the corrupt elite of this unfortunate country, which was gained after giving enormous sacrifices and afflictions of the Muslim populace, inserted their evil jaws of oppression and exploitation on to the flesh of this new born country.
The suppression of basic human rights, economic and social exploitation and ruthless mentality of this cruel ruling elite of Pakistan has sown the seeds of hatred and repugnance not only among the citizens of Pakistan but into the hearts and minds of Indian Muslims as well. As a result of enormous injustices we lost our Bengali brothers in 1971 and in modern days even the Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis and Siraiki speaking people of southern Punjab are now slowly embarking on the same course of sedition and aversion against the evil and slavish establishment of Pakistan. Time has come now to restore our house in order according to the demands and wills of its neglected masses otherwise no one can save this artificial state (Pakistan) to become disintegrated and dismembered on the scale of their precedent failed states of USSR and Yugoslavia in the twentieth century. Only wishful minded and hallucinated stricken buffoons like Zaid Hamid and his ilk can hold the contrary opinion in this regard.
P.S: I have no hard feelings about the frustrations of the Indian Muslims and I do share their frustrated sentiments in regards to the sorry state of affairs of this highly unfortunate state which has the enormous spillage of innocent blood and rotten bones in its genesis and foundation. We have betrayed the trust of not only our beloved ancestors who laid their lives for this failed state but also the trust of Allah SWT. We as highly aversive, deviant trust breakers of Allah SWT deserve every bit of humiliation, abuses, intimidation, discrimination and exploitation as subjected to us by our ruthless adversaries from all corners of our miserable lives. Only a sincere hearted penance and recourse from our bad habits now can save us from the total annihilation in the near future.
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Pakistan 1st
Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan 1st
Minister (2k+ posts)
This is something I came across with...must read
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...87896567&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...87896567&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
ammar_pakistani
Citizen
huh???? shame on india seriously ........which india claims to be the biggest country for democracy but the ways muslims bein treated in india is pathetic .......we can alos see the recent example of shahrukh khan in ipl when he only said a fews word for PAKISTANI players and the hindus got against himm.....really my PAKISTAN is far better than this india in my PAKISTAN hindus , shikhs n christians are living far better lives as compared to indian muslims ...i ve got many christian n sikh friends they live like us like our homes and never these ruthless killings happen to them but in india the muslims are really living dogs ........................shame on india shame
rajakhanmd
Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan is my home land. Despite all the problems, I love Pakistan, loving my country is a part of my faith. And, I expect Indians, weather Muslims or Hindus etc to feel the same way about India. Therefore, no need to score points on this issue. But if someone says anything about Pakistan, there are plenty of logical answers available in return. Best is not to get in this as everyone has feelings for their country and we should respect that.
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siasicyber
Citizen
Exactly! Pakistan is a safe country for non-muslims and they are treated as a Pakistani. They are not discriminated on the basis of religion/race etc. What is happening in India, everybody knows about it. Even Moodi (the killer Chief Minister of thousands of muslims in Indian Gujrat) was refused to give US visa by US embassy and US State Department.
siasicyber
Citizen
News > Asia & Australia
India Slammed for Chritsian, Muslim Killings
By IOL Staff
USCIRF said that the Indian government has failed to adequately act to stop attacks against Muslims and Christians.
CAIRO — The Indian government is creating an atmosphere of impunity for the killing and harassment of members from its Christainan and Muslim minorities, according to a US Congressional body.
“It is extremely disappointing that India, which has a multitude of religious communities, has done so little to protect and bring justice to its religious minorities under siege,” Leonard Leo, chair of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), said in a statement.
He said New Delhi has failed to adequately act to stop attacks against Christians and Muslims.
Read more:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1248187896567&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout#ixzz0mf454mUV
India Slammed for Chritsian, Muslim Killings
By IOL Staff
USCIRF said that the Indian government has failed to adequately act to stop attacks against Muslims and Christians.
CAIRO — The Indian government is creating an atmosphere of impunity for the killing and harassment of members from its Christainan and Muslim minorities, according to a US Congressional body.
“It is extremely disappointing that India, which has a multitude of religious communities, has done so little to protect and bring justice to its religious minorities under siege,” Leonard Leo, chair of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), said in a statement.
He said New Delhi has failed to adequately act to stop attacks against Christians and Muslims.
Read more:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1248187896567&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout#ixzz0mf454mUV
kashnex
Councller (250+ posts)
I think blame game shouldn't be played .... both India and Pakistan have enormous deficiencies and weakness in almost every aspects of life. I don't think that blaming each other would ease the relations but only nurture hatred.
Remember this does not only happen in India or Pakistan it happens in every country in the world. We should create harmony and encourage to vitalize relations. I firmly believe what we fight here will not be beneficial in anyways.
Remember that no one knows that who is a good Muslim, Christian, Jew and Hindu. Who is going to Heaven or Hell. Only God (Allah knows). Everyone (a living human) has someone divine in his/her soul we call God. Why are we doing politics on God. My God is good and yours is not ...... This is ridiculous. In every religion GOD is always great and mighty!
Everyone has the right to freely worship according to his/her belief. Why are we into this debate. Don't forget if anyone tries to impose his/her believes on others it only cause rebellion nothing else. Rebellion always leads to destruction. This world has not been created to be destroyed. Have heart boys and respect everyone's religion and religious beliefs. No one will be benefited from this fight but only those who want us to fight. Don't forget, "Our fight is not the fight to religion or faith but only caused by some unreasonable people those provoke us to fight each other for their personal benefits."
May Allah show us the right path and let us have realized who the enemies are, Ameen!
Remember this does not only happen in India or Pakistan it happens in every country in the world. We should create harmony and encourage to vitalize relations. I firmly believe what we fight here will not be beneficial in anyways.
Remember that no one knows that who is a good Muslim, Christian, Jew and Hindu. Who is going to Heaven or Hell. Only God (Allah knows). Everyone (a living human) has someone divine in his/her soul we call God. Why are we doing politics on God. My God is good and yours is not ...... This is ridiculous. In every religion GOD is always great and mighty!
Everyone has the right to freely worship according to his/her belief. Why are we into this debate. Don't forget if anyone tries to impose his/her believes on others it only cause rebellion nothing else. Rebellion always leads to destruction. This world has not been created to be destroyed. Have heart boys and respect everyone's religion and religious beliefs. No one will be benefited from this fight but only those who want us to fight. Don't forget, "Our fight is not the fight to religion or faith but only caused by some unreasonable people those provoke us to fight each other for their personal benefits."
May Allah show us the right path and let us have realized who the enemies are, Ameen!
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Nepali Pandit
MPA (400+ posts)
Obviously India should take more care of their minorities. Personally i feel that Indian Establishments shouldn't bend over backwards for minorities appeasement. These international organizations have Christians bias. If you kill 100 Muslims or 1000 Hindus they will have nothing to say but if 1 Christian missionary is killed they are all over. Problem in India is these Christian fundamentalist are spreading hatred. If you read their books and listen to speech. They are extremely offensive towards Hindus. They are misusing our secular traditions. If I had to share a room with Christian fundamentalist or Muslim fundamentalist, I would rather live with Muslim fundamentalist. I have no problem with regular Christian and Muslim. I only hate extremest pigs.....
kashnex
Councller (250+ posts)
Again referring to my post this morning. The use of words and / or what we say about anyone's religion causes destructive consequences. Fundamentalist, Terrorist, Not Rational and so on ....... This is obvious that people have their believes different from people of other religions. Their culture is different, their thinking is different, their life style and ways of preachings are different. Let them have their ways. Just be kind to others - .
This is true that western media is absolutely biased, i have no other thoughts on that too .... This is also true that the killing of western is over projected but this is solely not depends on the religion but they have made them so strong and they want to rule us. Don't forget the Christianity is diminishing in numbers as people are nothing believing on this rather more. This is the fear for the church that's why they are exploiting our unity and projecting other religions as being violent and inhumane so that more and more people can accept Christianity.
Quoting your words: " I only hate extremest pigs ....... ." Don't forget such things cause hatred of the religions or religious believes.
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siasicyber
Citizen
Nobody is creating hatred here by blaming each other. But we should accept some facts. Religious intolerance is unacceptable. Do you know that Hindu extremists burn the Quran in Hindu-Muslim riots. Have you ever heard that Geeta or Mahabharat is burnt in Pakistan? Islam even forbids a muslim to commented badly for non-muslim's gods.
If one doesn't like my country, he can comment it, hate it....I'll not mind it because in politics everybody has different views but if he burns my HOLY BOOK, then he is not a human being, he is a DEVIL and he must be diminished.
I personally respect every religion whether it's a Hindu, Christian, Jew, Sikh, Budh and their religious books as well. But on the other way I cant allow anybody to comment on my religion and my Holy Book Quran.
"Our fight is not the fight to religion or faith........
No our fight is the fight for faith and religion and we cant allow anybody to pass comments at our religion and kill our religious brothers and sisters whether it is in India or any other country. If Pakistan can protect minorities and promotes them in every field of life (Justice (R) Bhagwan Das of Supreme Court of Pakistan is an example), why not India protects them. I know there are muslims who are on good posts in India but I am talking about the protection. If you watch an interview of Shabana Azmi to BBC correspondent (I think it's BBC, I m not sure), she was saying that she cant buy property in Mumbai just because she is muslim.
Well after watching the burning photos of Indian muslims, I thank GOD who blessed us and gave us a leader Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah who struggled for the muslims and with the bless of GOD provided a shelter in the name of PAKISTAN.
I dont know what Pandit is saying, is ture or not but I'd like to say that if a person or community spreads hatred and bypass secularism of your country India, would you like him to be killed? Are you a fanatic? What do you reckon, should he be prosecuted or kill him or burn him?
Well I believe that killing a human (of any religion) is intolerant and unacceptable.
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