Mr Contra... what do you have to say???

[sagaciouscorpion]

@Admin
Sorry for repeating the post... But I wanted to address Mr. Contra to get his enlightened opinion..........

@Contra

I hope you remember our discussion on Sarkozi's remarks... Now to protect Muslims women from these animals... applying the same logic you gave to ban the veil... what would you suggest???

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lmAx8VW9pM[/video]

I pray may Allah grant my sister in Islam the best of places in the Jannat... and give us Hidaya to tread her path... Ameen..

 

[contra]

sagaciouscorpion,
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1. This case is an exception, not the norm.

2. This is the norm: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 74,00.html

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1. The perpetrator of this crime is a racist, and he was a known hater of muslims.

2. A person who kills a pregnant woman can only be described as an animal.

3. Sarkozy issue:
(Hijab-head covered. Burqa-Face covered)**Please correct me if I am wrong.

a)He targeted the lady because she was not German or white and because she was wearing a hijab. This is what made him call her a terrorist and abuse her and her child.

b)This is in no way related to our discussion on burqa and you know it.

c)Or, are you saying that had she been wearing a burqa instead of the hijab, she would have been safe???

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

sagaciouscorpion,
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1. This case is an exception, not the norm.

2. This is the norm: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 74,00.html

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1. The perpetrator of this crime is a racist, and he was a known hater of muslims.

2. A person who kills a pregnant woman can only be described as an animal.

3. Sarkozy issue:
(Hijab-head covered. Burqa-Face covered)**Please correct me if I am wrong.

a)He targeted the lady because she was not German or white and because she was wearing a hijab. This is what made him call her a terrorist and abuse her and her child.

b)This is in no way related to our discussion on burqa and you know it.

c)Or, are you saying that had she been wearing a burqa instead of the hijab, she would have been safe???

1.. I dont believe "that" is the norm either...

2. Thank you ... I am happy to know that you feel Muslim women and children have worth more than insects...

3. You are right.. but genrally these terms are used synonimously in the west...

I think this is related to our discussion... as there should be some protective mechanism devised to protect muslim women from animals like these...I believe if he would have targetted her or any other women becasue of his anger agaisnt Muslims.... Thirdly... I consider Burqa and scarf as the same.. .becasue both of htem hallmark the Muslim ideology...

Did you see that link for the poetry I had posted as a reply to your post about Human rights?

 

[sher_khan]

sagaciouscorpion,
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1. This case is an exception, not the norm.

2. This is the norm: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 374,00.htm

Stop lying and spreading misinformation. The above posted honuor killing link is not a norm. For an event to qualify as a norm it has to recur frequently within the community. Admittingly those sorry events have occurred but can't qualify as a norm. A lot of racist remarks are made in Canada, however, I do know that the majority of people in Canada are not racist.

Also your posted article analyzes in depth the Turkish women's fear of their husbands. The issue is bias of the media and Muslim bashers. Why don't you do yourself a favour. Go to CNN or Fox News websites. Do a search for stabbing in Germany. You will not find any coverage for the sorry stabbing of this unfortunate Egyptian family. Oh.. you will find German stabbing containing honour killings. That's for sure. You know why? Because there is a market in the west for Muslim bashing.

How come the so called guardians of human rights cultures' news papers and channels are not covering this double murder, which has a possibility of becoming a triple murder. Yes. She was pregnant. It will be considered double murder. Her husband is also in critical condition and may pass away. That will make it triple murder. How come there is no article on the fear that muslims live with every day in the western countries of being framed as terrorists? How com there is no journalistic coverage of that? Or even a better one. How would such an incident effect the women who opt to wear hijab in Germany? What kind of fear they will be living in from now on? Why is there no coverage or follow up if an investigation is being performed on the cop who killed the woman's husband?

The answer is simple, it's the other way around. A muslim was killed by a racist. A muslim did not kill a racist. If it had been the preferred way of the western media (a muslim killing someone), the media would have been all over it, and you would have been the first one to post the related IN-DEPTH article on this website. Yes, you are a muslim basher.

Furthermore, if no serious media coverage is given to such a sorry event of hatred killing then it will definitely become a NORM.


WHY IS THIS POLICALLY SENSITIVE THREAD IN RANDOM VIDEOS?

 

[sher_khan]

sagaciouscorpion,

3. Sarkozy issue:
(Hijab-head covered. Burqa-Face covered)**Please correct me if I am wrong.

a)He targeted the lady because she was not German or white and because she was wearing a hijab. This is what made him call her a terrorist and abuse her and her child.

b)This is in no way related to our discussion on burqa and you know it.

c)Or, are you saying that had she been wearing a burqa instead of the hijab, she would have been safe???

I was never a part of this burqa/hijab discussion.

However, I am getting sick and tired of this hijab issue perpetually raised by the westerners. I believe that the western moto is that a woman should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her body. Is it not? If so then if any woman decides to do wear a hijab or burqa whats the big deal?

I can understand that women can be forced to wear these items in Afghanistan but nobody is putting a gun on their heads in western countries. Obviously they are acting at their will.

If celebrities have the right to pose half nude for the magazine covers than why cant an average woman choose to cover her body if she likes to? What about the freedom of expression? Who made the governments of the world fashion police?

Dont even bring up the issue of oppression. Are sikh men oppressed because they cover their heads with turbans and dont shave their beards? Are Christian nuns who cover their heads also oppressed? Are the budhist munks who shave of their heads and don't wear stiched clothing opressed?

Whats wrong with muslim women sending out the message via hijab/burqa that they are conservative and dont want to flirt around?

 

[contra]

Sher_Khan,

1. Coverage of the event by CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html

2. This is the link to the Burqa discussion:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5614

 

[Spartacus]

I think topic should not indicate any person,s name , this should be open for all....

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

I think topic should not indicate any person,s name , this should be open for all....

the topic was already there... but i had posted it with his name as i wanted to ask his opinion as he was quite vocal in favor of Sarkozi....during a previous discussion...

@contra...

I did not say its absent... its absent from the headlines...

I remember the hue and cry or the dubious news item of the flogging issue... which in my and a lot others opinion was fake... (people may differ)... where is this hue and cry on this issue?????? you cant even find the news on the main page of cnn...

 

[sher_khan]

Sher_Khan,

1. Coverage of the event by CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07 ... index.html

2. This is the link to the Burqa discussion:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5614

1. My post was prior to the CNN update. CNNposted this article on July 7/09 1:02 am. That was very timely reporting by CNN. Just incase you didn't get it. I am being sarcastic.

If a victim had been a non-muslim and the murderer a muslim, a CNN correspondent would have been their in Germany in person. Would not have been picking up the story a week later. Pannels would have been established to discuss how the western ways of life are being screwed by the muslims. Muslims would have been called barbaric for kiilling a pregnant woman.

And what's up with giving a phantom name to this racist murderer. Alex W. For the honour killings they had the names and pictures of brothers and fathers ready for their audience.

BTW prior to this new (updated) coverage, CNN had covered this story, the synopsis was that a woman was killed in the court in Germany. The article was very short. There was no mention of the woman being pregnant or muslim and the husband getting shot by the cop. The story was covered highlighting the security issue in the courts of Germany rather than racism.

This kind of coverage reminds me of the rape of an Iraqi teenager girl and the subsequent torching of her family and her by the allied forces in Iraq. The soldiers got a slap on the wrist. The story only got big after the marshal court decision was made. Pior to that when the actual proceedings were takng place (2006 - 08), one really had to dig to get any information on the case. Any coverage found on the CNN or BBC was no more than 2or 3 paragraphs and was hardly updated.

Can you imagine the magnitude of the coverage if a female allied soldier had been raped and torched by some Iraqi criminals?


2. I have already put my 2 cents on the burqa issue and remain indifferent.

 

[sher_khan]

Contra wrote:


1. This case is an exception, not the norm.

2. This is the norm: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 374,00.htm

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Want to prove your bias towards muslims' weaknesses ( I don't know if it's intentional or not). You spend a lot of time posting the atrocities committed by the muslims, regardless whether their actions were Islamic or not. However, you don't highlight any strengths of muslims or good work performed by them.

You could have easily found material on the racism issues in Germany and could have posted to take a stance of racism issue in Germany. However, you totally dismissed it by stating that it's not a norm.

Following are th few articles on racism in Germany, I could have posted a million if I wanted to highlight a weakness in German society, but I do believe that all Germans can't be that bad. However, something needs to be done if Germany wants to curtail this disease and does not want it to take hold of the German society:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,416904,00.html

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090702-20329.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,545492,00.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/worldopinionroundup/2006/05/racism_shadows_germanys_world_1.html