Make perpetual machine yourself from computer fan

[Exiled-Paki]

Isbman:

Thanks for sharing this valuable information. I will definitely try to build it for my own experimentation. Sometimes ago, I saw a documentary about Japanese railway system where they have employed the same principles to drive the trains. The have used magnetic field to levitate the train above a magnetic track. This track has segments at regular intervals and each segment is given same magnetic field to that of the magnets on the train body. The similar field repel each other and it propels the train forward.

I have also read the technical thesis of the Pakistani guy (on Wikipedia) who drove an auto mobile using water as fuel. From technical point of view I absolutely did not see any fault with his thesis. People have unjustly compared his device to a perpetual motion machine, which it is absolutely not. The water needs to be filled in after certain distance and batteries need to be charged as well. But no doubt it is a hydrogen driven car. This guy's real genius is to convert the internal combustion engine designed to run with gasoline to make it run with hydrogen gas.

APPEAL TO ALL PAKISTANIS

Friends these technologies are prototype technologies. If you do not have background in science then please refrain from insulting these guys who are at least thinking in the right direction. Edison failed 1000 times while developing the light bulb. Instead of being discouraged he said "at least now I know 1000 ways an electric bulb cannot be made". Lets not behave like medieval Europeans who used to torture free thinkers and scientists. My salute to all freethinking Pakistani youth who dare to tread on uncharted territories

 

[sajjad.ahmad]

I think one must try to understand the phenomenon from its usage point of view.

There are many inventions and technologies which are not being used because they are not feasible for the investors.
One example is solar energy; it has now started getting business shape but the technology exist and known by scientists since many years.
The same is the case of magnetism. It is being used in many areas of the technology e.g. data storage is one big example.

Also coil and magnet pair is famous in solving many technological problems.

But I want to conclude is that there is a series of steps involved from the steam kettle to steam engine.
So it is not good conclude so quick. this technology already exist and known to the scientists. But I think, that using such technology for domestic products even like lamps might not be feasible. In the second video you have seen that quite a big magnet could light up a small LED.

Also if you remember there was dynamo lights used in bikes in Pakistan sometimes back. This is also electromagnetism used to light up the bulb but light of that bulb was not quite bright just up to 4-5 meters of visibility.

Also if we you think, to run a car engine with this technology then you have to model mechanical system to control it and how much that will cost is separate but connected question.

So, if any technical solution serves for commercial or domestic purpose is mainly a question of economics.
The investor will invest in the technology if he see a sustaining profit.

 

[Exiled-Paki]

Further information on Electromagnetic propulsion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_propulsion

 

[rfarooqi]

Try to understand how a motor is supposed to work. There are stationery magnets, but also rotating magnets, which must consume electricity. The stationery magnets can be replaced by permanent magnets but not the rotating ones. Search for permanent magnet motors which already exist.

If you do not believe then try to duplicate this experiment and when you fail you must apologize here.

Isbman:

Thanks for sharing this valuable information. I will definitely try to build it for my own experimentation. Sometimes ago, I saw a documentary about Japanese railway system where they have employed the same principles to drive the trains. The have used magnetic field to levitate the train above a magnetic track. This track has segments at regular intervals and each segment is given same magnetic field to that of the magnets on the train body. The similar field repel each other and it propels the train forward.

I have also read the technical thesis of the Pakistani guy (on Wikipedia) who drove an auto mobile using water as fuel. From technical point of view I absolutely did not see any fault with his thesis. People have unjustly compared his device to a perpetual motion machine, which it is absolutely not. The water needs to be filled in after certain distance and batteries need to be charged as well. But no doubt it is a hydrogen driven car. This guy's real genius is to convert the internal combustion engine designed to run with gasoline to make it run with hydrogen gas.

APPEAL TO ALL PAKISTANIS

Friends these technologies are prototype technologies. If you do not have background in science then please refrain from insulting these guys who are at least thinking in the right direction. Edison failed 1000 times while developing the light bulb. Instead of being discouraged he said "at least now I know 1000 ways an electric bulb cannot be made". Lets not behave like medieval Europeans who used to torture free thinkers and scientists. My salute to all freethinking Pakistani youth who dare to tread on uncharted territories

 

[sajjad.ahmad]

I think, most important is the law of conversation of energy. which states
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed during the course of any physical or chemical reaction but it changes from one form to another one."

So the outcome is that any mathematical model will work if the resultant equation of the energy is preserved.

In this magnetic model it seems that it works quite easily but infact for a productive system you have to think how to stabilize the whole machine. You can use tapes etc. for a productive machines.

Also There are magnetic solutions exist but there is nothing to be sentimental for a "so called perpetual motion machine". Even on this mechanism when you will draw complete mathematics then you will see where the energy has been consumed.

And Of course, if this system seems feasible then all the automobile industry have changed since long.

 

[sajjad.ahmad]

Further information on Electromagnetic propulsion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_propulsion

I have already read this article, I still believe the things being commercial on the basis if the investors are willing to invest and that is the commercial aspect. I personally think, the projects are quite expensive thats why only state level projects are done in this line.

Other than there is quite consumption of this energy but different levels and within different context.

 

[Exiled-Paki]

rfarooqi:

Point taken. But why would you want my apology, if I fail. Why are you acting like the clergy who put Copernicus and Galileo on trial. Science has always developed through hit and trial.

All I request people is to develop a scientifically inquisitive mind. Do not reject something if it contradicts your preconcieved notions.

 

[Exiled-Paki]

I think the main problem is the title of this article, which mentions the "perpetual motion machine". If we take this out of our thinking for now, then it is easier to accept what is shown in the video. The great thing about this video is that that the guy has made the motor move with stationary magnets and it seems to work. Whether this "discovery", if we can say that is commercially feasible or not or whether it complies with known laws of physics or not is all secondary. The important thing is to recognize the fact that the guy has done it. Same thing goes with Agha Mansoor, who also showed that it could be done.

Now it is theoretical physicists' turn to see what equations apply to that.

We should keep our minds open.

I think, most important is the law of conversation of energy. which states
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed during the course of any physical or chemical reaction but it changes from one form to another one."

So the outcome is that any mathematical model will work if the resultant equation of the energy is preserved.

In this magnetic model it seems that it works quite easily but infact for a productive system you have to think how to stabilize the whole machine. You can use tapes etc. for a productive machines.

Also There are magnetic solutions exist but there is nothing to be sentimental for a "so called perpetual motion machine". Even on this mechanism when you will draw complete mathematics then you will see where the energy has been consumed.

And Of course, if this system seems feasible then all the automobile industry have changed since long.

 

[Exiled-Paki]

I think once the technical feasibility is ascertained, human mind can create necessity for its use in due time. For example, Einstein, discovered the phenomenon of photoelectric effect sometimes is 1910-20 but it commercial use was only done in late 1970s when Japanese made electronic watches (using those tiny batteries that operate on the photoelectric effect) and dumped them in the market killing the Swiss watch-making industry.

I have already read this article, I still believe the things being commercial on the basis if the investors are willing to invest and that is the commercial aspect. I personally think, the projects are quite expensive thats why only state level projects are done in this line.

Other than there is quite consumption of this energy but different levels and within different context.

 

[Saboo]

I heard yesterday, Agha Waqar has invented another car which runs on " Insaanee Hawa" or farts. and Maluaana Fuzool is going to test drive the car for the first time.

I hear Maulana Fazool had to sit on the back seat to test drive the car, as he would not fit on the front.(bigsmile)

 

[sajjad.ahmad]

I think once the technical feasibility is ascertained, human mind can create necessity for its use in due time. For example, Einstein, discovered the phenomenon of photoelectric effect sometimes is 1910-20 but it commercial use was only done in late 1970s when Japanese made electronic watches (using those tiny batteries that operate on the photoelectric effect) and dumped them in the market killing the Swiss watch-making industry.

I agree to your approach, also I thanx for understanding and liking what I want to say.
The Photoelectric effect and other researches of quantum mechanics were in the research but they become productive quite late after second half of the 20th century.

similarly this technology and the experiment is equally valuable and also the guy deserves an appreciation, but I want to say is that this not something new.

In our school level (probably 6/7 class) we have done this experiment that if you have a coil and the endpoints of the coils are connected to a galvanometer. After that if you pass a magnet through the coil. It will generate electric current, which will be scene in the galvanometer.

Also this technology has no resemblance with the Water run car of Agha Waqar. There I think, exist a lot of confusion so it is not easy to accept the solution of Agha Waqar.

 

[guest]

Hilarious. however I think both these are cotradictions playing on Newton's third law rather than thermodynamics. though they obviously also violate laws of thermodynamics. but truly hilarious. reminds me of MAD comics.


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[Omar.]

The number and quality of responses to this useless video show that there is an Einstein in each and everyone of us, and can provide convincing arguments on anything despite having an iota of training/ knowledge about it.

 

[tz00007]

yaar parh likh lo phir thread bana lia karo...

nothing on the universe goes against the laws of physics kid.... in those videos, the magnetic force of permanent magnet is used..

u think physics books are also written by oil mafia? lol

 

[isbman]

yaar parh likh lo phir thread bana lia karo...

nothing on the universe goes against the laws of physics kid.... in those videos, the magnetic force of permanent magnet is used..

u think physics books are also written by oil mafia? lol

i am sure physics books are not written by oil mafia? but don't you agree that ---

"our minds are so much brain washed by oil mafia that we think every device and experiment which produce free energy is a fraud."

to move magnet around the coil needs mechanical energy. but in mentioned "you tube videos" the magnet are used to create mechanical energy as well as electrical energy. you can also connect wires of fan to light the bulb, which is producing electrical energy as well.

i watched the discovery channel documentary of china magnet train recently which is driven by magnet only. and it speed is more than 500 km/hour.

 

[lurker]

i watched the discovery channel documentary of china magnet train recently which is driven by magnet only. and it speed is more than 500 km/hour.

They are using Electro-Magnets for levitation and propulsion of the train. Electro-Magnets need Electricity.