modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ofcourse ...zardari has himself said " her pakistani mein aik hindu hai ".....to is lehaaz mein tumaray mein to "sara hi hindu" hoga [hilar][hilar]
Mahmud Ghaznavi And Somnath Temple - An Indian Explains
- Thread starter Veila Mast
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Since u r towing Hindu mantra.... let me also request you to you ask your intellectual groomers, why do they call Ashoka by the title "The Great". who perhaps killed more people than all muslim rulers combined. But still in India, hes so revered that republic of India's state emblem is direct take from Ashoka's state emblem, books, movie, drama series,comics, children stories on him...
Secondly, not being sadistic, only looking at history, from perspective of that era (when a bigger emperor was the one who was a greater conqueror). however, not trying to judge their endeavors based on today's ethics and morality or the rules of engagement lined down by today's world.
Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
You need to get hold of yourself; unlike Kot Radha Kishan people like you can only immolate themselves on the internet by spontaneous self combustion. You are losing it. As much as it will hurt you but Hindus can be just and fair.
Qalandari1
Banned
Asoka was a tyrant and muderer period. According to the mythology Asoka later realised the nature of his grave sins and repented. Now I don't know if he ever repented nor am I defending his brutalities.
Secondly, a sadistic act is a sadistic act whether committed by Yazeed or Ghaznavi !
Qalandari1
Banned
The correct word used by him was Indian not Hindu. Incase you don't know that muslims, christians, jains, buddhists, parsis, atheists etc also reside there. Just for your information, and he might have said that for people like you who want to kill any god damned person living in that country.
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Even if he said indian then your liable to hear him out and do as he says right ??[hilar]
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QUOTE=Qalandari1;2862146]The correct word used by him was Indian not Hindu. Incase you don't know that muslims, christians, jains, buddhists, parsis, atheists etc also reside there. Just for your information, and he might have said that for people like you who want to kill any god damned person living in that country.[/QUOTE]
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QUOTE=Qalandari1;2862146]The correct word used by him was Indian not Hindu. Incase you don't know that muslims, christians, jains, buddhists, parsis, atheists etc also reside there. Just for your information, and he might have said that for people like you who want to kill any god damned person living in that country.[/QUOTE]
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Im not arguing about Hindus - you are ....these are your apprehensions stemming from a bad case of manic depression :biggthumpup:...Remember just like the professor narrated the JUST muslim kings ruled with benevolence - The hindus before them werent able to Unite India for the past so called 5000 years :biggthumpup:
THIS is the benevolence of Islam - which you so dearly hate !
THIS is the benevolence of Islam - which you so dearly hate !
Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
The "benevolence of Islam" was followed by benevolence of Christianity during British occupation and now its the reign of Secularist benevolence - what is your point?
Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Oh, don't bother answering my post - I get your point i.e. we must unconditionally hate Hindus, no matter what.
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
see your an exact reflection of your thought process ....we always knew that secularism is Hatred for Islam in disguise :biggthumpup:
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its not whats "follows" it is what "happens" during a reign !:biggthumpup:....the benevolence of chrisitianity, hinduism, secularism is filled with loot, plunder, rape and misery as compared to what happened during the reign of the mughals ...
Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Even though Secularism emerged from hatred towards Christian clergy rather than Islam, it has nothing to do with the love or hate to any particular ideology or religion. Secularism is based on logic, and it is the logic of how best to run a country, a company, or a society. In the matters of governance religion has no role. Why do one has to be a religious person to administer generation, collection, and distribution of revenue? Law and order can be maintained very well without religious people? Fair distribution of wealth between capitalists and human resources can be done very well without invoking religion - through fair taxation and benefits.
Look, you seem to be an intelligent person, when not blinded by your bigotry, but here is food for thought for you. The proponents if Islami Nizam relentlessly give reference to the reign of 4 Righteous Caliphs as a model for any polity. But you must understand that the 4 Caliphs got their political power from a religious movement, but once they become Caliphs they made decisions based on logic rather than through their religion - the system of taxation, jurisprudence, establishment of military system, governance through appointed governors, a system of justice that addressed the grievances of people locally rather than through Medina or Kufa, the postal system, land reforms, laws about POWs etc. were all based on logic.
If all of this does not matter then consider the Constitution of Medina, which is the most secular political instrument ever implimented in Muslim history. This Constitution recognized the religions of each faction of Medina as their own personal matter and established rules of governance based on logic rather than Islam. This constitution ended the 125 years old civil war in Medina between different factions, only because it promoted logic rather than a certain ideology.
Remember, ideologies separate us; dreams and anguish bring us together. The dream and anguish of the people of Medina was peace and not another ideology.
Look, you seem to be an intelligent person, when not blinded by your bigotry, but here is food for thought for you. The proponents if Islami Nizam relentlessly give reference to the reign of 4 Righteous Caliphs as a model for any polity. But you must understand that the 4 Caliphs got their political power from a religious movement, but once they become Caliphs they made decisions based on logic rather than through their religion - the system of taxation, jurisprudence, establishment of military system, governance through appointed governors, a system of justice that addressed the grievances of people locally rather than through Medina or Kufa, the postal system, land reforms, laws about POWs etc. were all based on logic.
If all of this does not matter then consider the Constitution of Medina, which is the most secular political instrument ever implimented in Muslim history. This Constitution recognized the religions of each faction of Medina as their own personal matter and established rules of governance based on logic rather than Islam. This constitution ended the 125 years old civil war in Medina between different factions, only because it promoted logic rather than a certain ideology.
Remember, ideologies separate us; dreams and anguish bring us together. The dream and anguish of the people of Medina was peace and not another ideology.
Rashna
Banned
While the indians are still trying to find some good in their past, the bigots use any fair talk by indians to justify the greatness of mughals whose bloodline they claim as theirs. Incidentally they forget that the mughals survived because they did not destroy the social structure of India where as the claimants of this mughal glory immediately destroyed the social structure of northern india after the british left. The result is obvious for all to see. It is quite funny to see these bigots supporting hindus when they praise mughals while batting for a hindu genocide during all their waking hours.
Pakistani are missing the main reason behind the video.
India have been ruled by Nehru and other socialist/communist elite Gandhi family whose ideology is based upon secularism philosophy.
The medieval history of India was bloody & Congress party built their own propaganda institutions to propagate their ideology. The Professor is one of the scholar from the same institutions.
It doesn't matter who is in power in India because the democracy gives enough power to these historians & scholars to carry on with their propaganda in university.
Such propaganda in education suits Congress party because it helps them to prove mediveal India was very peaceful. From an ordinary estimate, 100,000 temples were destroyed in India.
Congress party have built 10000 of such university & They have systematically hired their left wing communist historian for last 3-4 generatons.
They of-course fear that knowledge of truth will enrage Majority Hindu population.
IF you want to know the truth, you should read Persian scholars true account of India.
India have been ruled by Nehru and other socialist/communist elite Gandhi family whose ideology is based upon secularism philosophy.
The medieval history of India was bloody & Congress party built their own propaganda institutions to propagate their ideology. The Professor is one of the scholar from the same institutions.
It doesn't matter who is in power in India because the democracy gives enough power to these historians & scholars to carry on with their propaganda in university.
Such propaganda in education suits Congress party because it helps them to prove mediveal India was very peaceful. From an ordinary estimate, 100,000 temples were destroyed in India.
Congress party have built 10000 of such university & They have systematically hired their left wing communist historian for last 3-4 generatons.
They of-course fear that knowledge of truth will enrage Majority Hindu population.
IF you want to know the truth, you should read Persian scholars true account of India.
modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hayee ...kiya baat hai :biggthumpup: ...One muist learn selective syllogism from seculars for trying to "justify" their "ism" through Islam !
You very cunningly bring up "the constitution of madina" ...But then why do you forget the entity (my AKKA pbuh) while talking about the constitution of Madina ??:biggthumpup:
Did my AKKA pbuh ever preach "secularism" - NO - He preached Islam and if to YOU or any of the other BLIND men out there the "Constitution of Madina" is "secular" then even THEN learn to give credit to ISLAM and the Great Prophet Muhammad Pbuh for giving this document to us !
What kind of flawed logic is this that you talk about the Greatest entity in the history of the Universe and a document he brings forth based on the IDEOLOGY he preached which was Islam but YET you managed to "extract" Secularism OUT OF IT [hilar][hilar], and NOT give credit to ISLAM - the way of that was taught by the messenger of GOD !
That is the most GROSS injustice anybody can ever do.
Thats like giving credit to einsteins theory of relativity to physics and not the man who discovered.
Ideologies bring us together which is why you see people of ALL different faiths come to worship the same GOD, the same Prophet pbuh and the same Ideology which HE has taught us. THIS is the most logical of all achievements, if it wasnt for ideology then what was it ??
Islam is a logical religion which is why you see LOGIC in every aspect and ofcourse this is what the Mughals did too - for the most part and even the 4 righly guided caliphs and even the Prophet pbuh himself.
They ALL practised Islam in LAW, Science, research etc and gave the world a practicial running model which we all strive to achieve. But we dont try to justify or rename glories of the Islamic past and attribute it to some "ism" :)
You very cunningly bring up "the constitution of madina" ...But then why do you forget the entity (my AKKA pbuh) while talking about the constitution of Madina ??:biggthumpup:
Did my AKKA pbuh ever preach "secularism" - NO - He preached Islam and if to YOU or any of the other BLIND men out there the "Constitution of Madina" is "secular" then even THEN learn to give credit to ISLAM and the Great Prophet Muhammad Pbuh for giving this document to us !
What kind of flawed logic is this that you talk about the Greatest entity in the history of the Universe and a document he brings forth based on the IDEOLOGY he preached which was Islam but YET you managed to "extract" Secularism OUT OF IT [hilar][hilar], and NOT give credit to ISLAM - the way of that was taught by the messenger of GOD !
That is the most GROSS injustice anybody can ever do.
Thats like giving credit to einsteins theory of relativity to physics and not the man who discovered.
Ideologies bring us together which is why you see people of ALL different faiths come to worship the same GOD, the same Prophet pbuh and the same Ideology which HE has taught us. THIS is the most logical of all achievements, if it wasnt for ideology then what was it ??
Islam is a logical religion which is why you see LOGIC in every aspect and ofcourse this is what the Mughals did too - for the most part and even the 4 righly guided caliphs and even the Prophet pbuh himself.
They ALL practised Islam in LAW, Science, research etc and gave the world a practicial running model which we all strive to achieve. But we dont try to justify or rename glories of the Islamic past and attribute it to some "ism" :)
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Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Propaganda or not, the factual events contradict the Hindu right wing extremist diatribe. The undeniable fact remains that, prior to the Partition, all of the Muslim religious leadership believed in and supported the idea of a united Hindustan. This support was undeniable despite the extremist anti Muslim Hindu movements like Shudhi and Sanghtan and not to mention the bad blood created by the British.
For Muslim League until the Cabinet Mission Plan in June 1947, Pakistan was the Plan B; Muslim League only wanted constitutional parity of Muslims with Hindus. Only if Congress accepted that demand, Hindustan would have been one country today.
Despite these facts, their is a reason that Hindu right wing still uses an extremely vitriolic anti Muslim diatribe; only because it gets them votes. Ideologically they can and they never will be able to compete Congress and hence the politics of hate. I am not going to defend Mughal or other Muslim dynasties or their actions. But an undeniable fact remains that during their 1000 years of 'holocaust' upon Hindus, there hadn't been ONE single Hindu (religious or race based) uprising against Muslims throughout 1000 years. I will be shocked to death, if you could mention one single one. Have you ever wondered why?? On the other hand even in the stifling confines of Warsaw Ghetto, there was an uprising against Germans by Jews.
Pakistani side is no different. But contrary to India, despite the fact that Muslim right wing extremists are armed to the teeth and receive unlimited funds from Arabs, in electoral politics they show abysmal results, always. It means that general public in Pakistan is generally slightly left or right of the center. Pakistani military is the biggest supporter of the so called right wing militants because it has been using them as proxies since the first Afghan war.
For Muslim League until the Cabinet Mission Plan in June 1947, Pakistan was the Plan B; Muslim League only wanted constitutional parity of Muslims with Hindus. Only if Congress accepted that demand, Hindustan would have been one country today.
Despite these facts, their is a reason that Hindu right wing still uses an extremely vitriolic anti Muslim diatribe; only because it gets them votes. Ideologically they can and they never will be able to compete Congress and hence the politics of hate. I am not going to defend Mughal or other Muslim dynasties or their actions. But an undeniable fact remains that during their 1000 years of 'holocaust' upon Hindus, there hadn't been ONE single Hindu (religious or race based) uprising against Muslims throughout 1000 years. I will be shocked to death, if you could mention one single one. Have you ever wondered why?? On the other hand even in the stifling confines of Warsaw Ghetto, there was an uprising against Germans by Jews.
Pakistani side is no different. But contrary to India, despite the fact that Muslim right wing extremists are armed to the teeth and receive unlimited funds from Arabs, in electoral politics they show abysmal results, always. It means that general public in Pakistan is generally slightly left or right of the center. Pakistani military is the biggest supporter of the so called right wing militants because it has been using them as proxies since the first Afghan war.
Rashna
Banned
The Marathas and the Sikhs whom you have forgotten. You are also unaware of the constant tough fight put up by the hindu kings. It took different muslim rulers more than 500 years to gain control over substantial territory and even then it was never a cake-walk. There are various accounts of the wars that were fought by different kings. Sometimes they won and repulsed the mughals sometimes they lost. It was more due to the passage of time and the mughals becoming indians themselves over the due course of time that their integration was complete. There were some anti-hindu movements too. E.g the moplah rebellion. Here is an extract on the same.
Moplah Rebellion an Anti Hindu rebellion conducted by the Muslim Mappila community (Moplah is a British spelling) of Kerala in 1921. Moplahs murdered, pillaged, and forcibly converted thousands of Hindus. According to one view, the reasons for the Moplah rebellion was religious revivalism among the Muslim Mappilas, and hostility towards the landlord Hindu Nair, Nambudiri Jenmi community and the British administration that supported the latter. Adhering to view, British records call it a British-Muslim revolt. The initial focus was on the government, but when the limited presence of the government was eliminated, Moplahs turned their full attention on attacking Hindus. Mohommed Haji was proclaimed the Caliph of the Moplah Khilafat and flags of Islamic Caliphate were flown. Ernad and Walluvanad were declared Khilafat kingdoms. Annie Besant wrote about the riots: "They Moplahs murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything. Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India." The second and the most important was of the Direct Action Day of 16th August 1946 when the then Bengal premier Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy had announced a leave (for the administration!) and freedom for the rioters . . . Its a big topic.
Moplah Rebellion an Anti Hindu rebellion conducted by the Muslim Mappila community (Moplah is a British spelling) of Kerala in 1921. Moplahs murdered, pillaged, and forcibly converted thousands of Hindus. According to one view, the reasons for the Moplah rebellion was religious revivalism among the Muslim Mappilas, and hostility towards the landlord Hindu Nair, Nambudiri Jenmi community and the British administration that supported the latter. Adhering to view, British records call it a British-Muslim revolt. The initial focus was on the government, but when the limited presence of the government was eliminated, Moplahs turned their full attention on attacking Hindus. Mohommed Haji was proclaimed the Caliph of the Moplah Khilafat and flags of Islamic Caliphate were flown. Ernad and Walluvanad were declared Khilafat kingdoms. Annie Besant wrote about the riots: "They Moplahs murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything. Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India." The second and the most important was of the Direct Action Day of 16th August 1946 when the then Bengal premier Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy had announced a leave (for the administration!) and freedom for the rioters . . . Its a big topic.
