Mr Educated, apni thori education thori aur zayada karley aur thora internet per research karey ke Money laundry kiya hoti hai aur kis tarahan criminals like these shareef can transfer money from 3rd world country to UK, US and EU and enjoy with that money.
Lekin 4th December 2011 - Sulman Shehbaz & Imran Ismail - Captain's Challenge to the Opposition
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Another stupid argument, money laundered if used to consume, consumed on food, personal shopping, movie, film cannot be traced because no legal/electronic document or payment will be made to trace it. I laundered cash and as long as I am making CASH payments I will not be CAUGHT.
But silly people are talking about money re-invested into LEGAL BUSINESSES, when you re-invest to build a business empire it comes under legal scruitiny, Need to initiate electronic transactions to open bank accounts, disclose the source of the money to start the business, to pay your vendors online, received payments from your suppliers, pay tax returns out of your bank accounts. I am an auditor I know how it is traced out. The argument that LARGE amount of money can be laundered to any country and used in business, opening up accounts, buying property, making online transactions in recent history is NONSENSE.
There are very tough pre-requisites under UK company's act 2006 and previously 1985 that need to be followed before Registering and starting a new Company. Its a company not a reerhi in Pakistan that anybody can start on any road. There have always be long pre requisites to open bank accounts. If a company is Worth 1 billion dollars then it doesnot mean that 1 billion dollars need to be laundered from Pakistan to start a company. Collateral loan agreements, share financing, mortagaging properties to raise money can be used to start a business anywhere in the world.
If I have a house of 1 cror in Pakistan. I will pledge it with the bank to take 1 cror loan, out of which I will start the business, the business grows and continues to grow. Later at anytime I have 5 cror inventories in my store I can pledge the inventories to raise further 5 cror cash. Alternatively my business earths 3 cror profit that I will re-invest to continue to expand it.
At anytime later because I built good reputation in the market, banks can extend me credit without pledging any further properties. THERE IS ALWAYS A BALANCE SHEET. ALL ASSETS ARE ALWAYS BALANCED BY LIABILITIES. A BUSINESS IN THE NAME OF HUSSAIN NAWAZ worth 1 billion dollars will have an equivalent, 1 billion dollars PAYABLE TO BANKS, LENDERS AND CREDITORs.
The NET wealth of mine (equity) will be
THE VALUE of Assets in business is 1000 million dollars
Less LOANS thats I have taken to build the business (500) million
my creditors whom I have purchased goods/services on credit (100) million
Other partners & Shareholders (200) million
= 200 million <----- This is my residual wealth after deducting all other liabilities that I owe and not the whole 1000 million dollars business is mine.
Yahan aik banday ka minority share bhi business mein ho aur business ka sara paisa bank nai diya ho aur wo bank uska asli malik ho phir bhi banday pe charhai ho jaati hai ke yeh 1 arab dollar ki jaidad iski hai.
Unfortunately people are so fool that they keep mentioning about the assets but forget the liabilities that were used to initiate any such business.
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How shrifs took money abroad simply Put in big bags to Saudia than transfer to uk via bank
Every one wants to know how shrifs build big empire and how they got billions in UK u should remember when they left in saudi king plane from Pakistan they had bags and bags all full of money offcourse in $$. Than from there transfer legally to uk to save their.... From money laundry that's y shrifs always thankful to Saudis .
Every one wants to know how shrifs build big empire and how they got billions in UK u should remember when they left in saudi king plane from Pakistan they had bags and bags all full of money offcourse in $$. Than from there transfer legally to uk to save their.... From money laundry that's y shrifs always thankful to Saudis .
A.Ali.T
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Lekin 4th December 2011 - Suleman Shehbaz & Ansar Abbasi - Captain's Challenge to Opposition
If the people cannot differentiate between dividends and taxes then God bless that nation.
In all fairness to Sana Buthcha, I think there is no way you can get all the answers in 45 minutes. We need some accountants to sit down with these anchors and then question the Shareef family, with no time limit. They should also include some one from FBR in the discussions.
These programs should be conducted with focus on Shareef family and flaws in our taxation system.
If the people cannot differentiate between dividends and taxes then God bless that nation.
In all fairness to Sana Buthcha, I think there is no way you can get all the answers in 45 minutes. We need some accountants to sit down with these anchors and then question the Shareef family, with no time limit. They should also include some one from FBR in the discussions.
These programs should be conducted with focus on Shareef family and flaws in our taxation system.
I like Imran but my leader is Nawaz Shareef. He is the only one who can bring Pakistan out of this situation. Imran should have to little carefull to avoide this situation. I like that Imran and Nawaz make the government together.
Please some intellegent peoples stop imran for this usless media trial and work on his ajenda. Hopefully, he will stop all propogenda againast PMLN after a brave and factual answer. I like Salman is the best young person in Sareef family. He should also have to come forward to save Pakistan.
Please some intellegent peoples stop imran for this usless media trial and work on his ajenda. Hopefully, he will stop all propogenda againast PMLN after a brave and factual answer. I like Salman is the best young person in Sareef family. He should also have to come forward to save Pakistan.
rajaokayoum
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: How shrifs took money abroad simply Put in big bags to Saudia than transfer to uk via bank
but this is still money laundry and looting of Pakistanis money
but this is still money laundry and looting of Pakistanis money
UKPakistani
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: How shrifs took money abroad simply Put in big bags to Saudia than transfer to uk via bank
@threadposter sorry but without real sources there is no news, I do not doubt the truth of what you say, without proof or source I could say that Musharaff is Martian, Zardari is a worm and Baji Altaf is is human. How would you know if it is true ? So if you want to state something, base it on evidence please
@threadposter sorry but without real sources there is no news, I do not doubt the truth of what you say, without proof or source I could say that Musharaff is Martian, Zardari is a worm and Baji Altaf is is human. How would you know if it is true ? So if you want to state something, base it on evidence please
imyrathore
MPA (400+ posts)
mate its not nonsense. Money laundering takes place on a daily basis and ends up in most of the European banks. How do u think trillions of dollars ended up in swiss accounts. Mr Sharif and his political cartel partners have used the lax systems in pakistan to whittle away billions across to euorpe and middle east. The european banks have been partners in this crime and its only recently that they have started putting in measures to address this. However even so they would expect the national government to submit a case and do seriously think that Nawaz's mate zardari is going to open the pandors box by asking european governments to freeze and return the billions horded over ther. Mate nawaz is the sort of person that would change import laws to benefit his own industry.
malikbhai
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: How shrifs took money abroad simply Put in big bags to Saudia than transfer to uk via bank
Mere dost yeh koi unki zati raqm nhee thi, 32 reference moujood hain, Nawaz family nai mukhtalif companies kai name per pakistani banks say billions kai qarze laiye thay jis mai hudabia paper mill bhi shamil thi, oor yeh sari raqm unho nai saudia oor england illegal tareekay se shift kar kai qoumi doulat louti hai, qarz utaro mulk sanwaro kay paisay se mulk ka koi qarza nhee utra woh paisay bhi yeh khandan kha geya, aik itefefaq foundry thi, laiken jab nawaz CM punjab bana uskai baad 9 new factories qaim hoin sab banks se qarze lai ker, they are cheating pakistani nation from decades. ab bas kar dou bhai.
Mere dost yeh koi unki zati raqm nhee thi, 32 reference moujood hain, Nawaz family nai mukhtalif companies kai name per pakistani banks say billions kai qarze laiye thay jis mai hudabia paper mill bhi shamil thi, oor yeh sari raqm unho nai saudia oor england illegal tareekay se shift kar kai qoumi doulat louti hai, qarz utaro mulk sanwaro kay paisay se mulk ka koi qarza nhee utra woh paisay bhi yeh khandan kha geya, aik itefefaq foundry thi, laiken jab nawaz CM punjab bana uskai baad 9 new factories qaim hoin sab banks se qarze lai ker, they are cheating pakistani nation from decades. ab bas kar dou bhai.
lol, so what you are trying to prove is that Zardari is not corrupt and his 60 Million dollor money in Swiss bank is legal and he never did money laundry :)
textillian
MPA (400+ posts)
There is a big flaw in Sharif brothers assets, that they can never justify.
They will cry like a loosers always,,,,
They cant show the record of transferring the money during the Musharraf regime
They will cry like a loosers always,,,,
They cant show the record of transferring the money during the Musharraf regime
harisuae
Senator (1k+ posts)
Mr shahbaz junior...............Its not easy to make people fool now. He asked several time that how did they transfer money to UK, but he did not answer.
As he said, Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif were out of country thats why they did not pay Income Tax, and he also said their business progressed during Musharaf era when they were not in Pakistan.
My question is although they were not in Pakistan, who was taking profit from their business?
Shahbaz junior can only come in biased anchor's program. I challenge him to come in Mubashar luqman program with Imran Ismail. They will teach him lesson.
As he said, Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif were out of country thats why they did not pay Income Tax, and he also said their business progressed during Musharaf era when they were not in Pakistan.
My question is although they were not in Pakistan, who was taking profit from their business?
Shahbaz junior can only come in biased anchor's program. I challenge him to come in Mubashar luqman program with Imran Ismail. They will teach him lesson.
younus
Senator (1k+ posts)
what would you expect from corrupt people like sana butcha
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?91822-Naqal-marti-hoye-pakri-gaye-sana-bucha
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?91822-Naqal-marti-hoye-pakri-gaye-sana-bucha
:lol:suleman shehbaz did't declare how many factories they and NS have,their total worth,how much is the equity,taxable income and how much they have foreign assets including money in the foreign banks so what should I comment.He came and did "Ain bain shain" and left.Nothing personel but should have made everything clear in black and white like his uncle IK did.
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zishancheeta
Councller (250+ posts)
sulyman was not answering by numbers and specific answer he is just talking like a small fish in the sea.
His answer InshaAllah , MashAllah , here and there my uncle if you contribute in hospital then you think you buy the Imran Khan . You stupid you contribute to please ALLAH not for Imran Khan. This is the time you have to answer that can satisfy us , public.
Imran Khan Zinda bad woh bring you on real issue.
His answer InshaAllah , MashAllah , here and there my uncle if you contribute in hospital then you think you buy the Imran Khan . You stupid you contribute to please ALLAH not for Imran Khan. This is the time you have to answer that can satisfy us , public.
Imran Khan Zinda bad woh bring you on real issue.
Re: Lekin 4th December 2011 - Suleman Shehbaz & Ansar Abbasi - Captain's Challenge to Opposition
brother its 1.2 billion pounds nt dollors in dollors it would be approx 2 billion dollors and transfer i guess boriyoo main ;)
on a serious note thy hv no proof hw tht money was earned and transfered to diffrent country and we all know y becoz it was ill gotten money
brother its 1.2 billion pounds nt dollors in dollors it would be approx 2 billion dollors and transfer i guess boriyoo main ;)
on a serious note thy hv no proof hw tht money was earned and transfered to diffrent country and we all know y becoz it was ill gotten money
